when I was growing up we studied the Declaration of Independence an The Constitution. Our teachers made an effort for us to grasp their significance and how they provide the framework for our freedom. What the fuck do they teach kids in school these days? Anything of value?
Where do all these cockroach fucktards originate and how do they get elected to public office? I don't live an alternate lifestyle but why the fuck does anyone care who does? Leave people alone to live their lives.
Whatever happened to separation of church and state . Shouldn't the governor be focused on bringing jobs to Indiana. America is stuck in the past. Open up the present! !
i watched a view cnn clips about this, if you notice the people that were for this legislation were all over the ages of 45.. mostly grey hairs... give it 20-30 years and it won't matter. that generation will die off with there fucked up values.. hopefully their children will have a little more of an open mind.. if you think about this on a bigger scale, how can the republican party last, if they don't start adopting more modern values.. you can't tell me that's not in the back of their heads..
If you own a company that does business with the public at large, you are not allowed to discriminate whom you can or cannot do business with. This law is using the same logic of the Jim Crow laws that created segregation in the South so many years ago. You cannot use your faith to discriminate period.
that lets businesses turn away Jews and Blacks for religious reasons too?
Look, there is a fairly solid libertarian argument against requiring businesses to be non-discriminatory in hiring and serving customers. But that isnt the law of the land, so to single out LGBTs as ok on the discrimination list is just mean spirited.
the bill does not "allow businesses to reject LGBT." The bill permits someone accused of discrimination to raise an affirmative defense (in other words, it is the accused person's burden to prove) that a governmental entity or statute "substantially burdens" that person's exercise of their religion.
It doesn't stop anyone from filing a complaint and it doesn't stop anyone from bringing suit. It doesn't stop any court from finding illegal discrimination. It merely allows the opportunity to raise and prove the defense.
Now oppose it or not, that is your choice, but at least argue over the actual text. The descriptions of the bill in press reports are at best incomplete and at worst misleading.
LOS ANGELES — Even in a state known for its far-reaching and sometimes outlandish voter initiatives, the one proposed by a Huntington Beach lawyer seems stunning: the “Sodomite Suppression Act,” mandating, among other things, that any person who has sexual relations with someone of the same gender be “put to death by bullets to the head.”
It appears highly unlikely that the lawyer, Matthew G. McLaughlin, can collect the 365,880 signatures of registered voters — 5 percent of the total who voted for governor in the last election — needed to put the initiative on the ballot. Even if he does, it seems even more unlikely that it would ever pass in this state. And even if it did, opponents said, it would almost certainly be thrown out by a judge.
But this episode has thrown a new and unwanted light on California’s historically permissive voter initiative system, created in the early 1900s at the height of the Progressive Era and today the system under which much of California law is enacted. It is voters, and not the Legislature, who have put into place major laws dealing with everything from property taxes to crime to Proposition 8, the 2008 initiative that banned same-sex marriage. That law was later overturned in the courts.
“This just shows how nuts and wrongheaded we are about direct democracy,” said Joe Mathews, a critic of this state’s governance system. “This points out a shameful, problematic thing. You can put anything on the ballot.”
the bill does not "allow businesses to reject LGBT." The bill permits someone accused of discrimination to raise an affirmative defense (in other words, it is the accused person's burden to prove) that a governmental entity or statute "substantially burdens" that person's exercise of their religion.
It doesn't stop anyone from filing a complaint and it doesn't stop anyone from bringing suit. It doesn't stop any court from finding illegal discrimination. It merely allows the opportunity to raise and prove the defense.
Now oppose it or not, that is your choice, but at least argue over the actual text. The descriptions of the bill in press reports are at best incomplete and at worst misleading.
Here is the actual bill text - ( New Window )
You have a point, but the bill does give business owners a case for defense if/when they reject LGBTQ customers. Thus enabling them to discriminate (potentially) legally.
LOS ANGELES — Even in a state known for its far-reaching and sometimes outlandish voter initiatives, the one proposed by a Huntington Beach lawyer seems stunning: the “Sodomite Suppression Act,” mandating, among other things, that any person who has sexual relations with someone of the same gender be “put to death by bullets to the head.”
It appears highly unlikely that the lawyer, Matthew G. McLaughlin, can collect the 365,880 signatures of registered voters — 5 percent of the total who voted for governor in the last election — needed to put the initiative on the ballot. Even if he does, it seems even more unlikely that it would ever pass in this state. And even if it did, opponents said, it would almost certainly be thrown out by a judge.
But this episode has thrown a new and unwanted light on California’s historically permissive voter initiative system, created in the early 1900s at the height of the Progressive Era and today the system under which much of California law is enacted. It is voters, and not the Legislature, who have put into place major laws dealing with everything from property taxes to crime to Proposition 8, the 2008 initiative that banned same-sex marriage. That law was later overturned in the courts.
“This just shows how nuts and wrongheaded we are about direct democracy,” said Joe Mathews, a critic of this state’s governance system. “This points out a shameful, problematic thing. You can put anything on the ballot.”
Link - ( New Window )
It's depressing.
Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers...... Â
the hypocrisy of the religious right in action. Putting aside the legal issues for a moment, you can hate the sin and not the sinner. Another example of where the christian right tries to hold a monopoly on the term Christian and falls flat on its face.
Bared on the reasoning wouldn't the same businesses then have to deny service to adulterers, fornicators, thiefs, murderers, liars...etc...
I cannot believe anyone would attach their name to something hateful as that.
I know. As someone, who grew up in California, it just boggles my mind.
And while legally they may have to let this play out, there are enough people to quash this despicable nonsense. And hopefully this asshole gets a swift kick from karma.
But let me start off by saying to pass a bill like this is foolish and meant to discriminate , and I definatly agree that it's wrong.
But...
If you and your beliefs do not want to be a target , then you should not make yourself one.
The first time I witnessed a gay couple , I was about 10 years old in upstate NY . My mother asked me to go into the gas station and pay for gas . I went in and while I'm waiting in line , these 2 guys dressed like circus performers , began to jam thier tongues down each other's throats . When they finished they began talking in what would be considered a " gay voice " and waving thier hands around like they had no control over thier wrists.
They obviously wanted to get people's attention. Well they got it . Some other customers noticed me (10 years old in my little league jersey) behind the 2 men and told them to knock it off , there was a kid behind them . One of the gay guys began to act like he was flirting with the man who told them to stop. Saying ohhh baby you want some too ? To which he punched the guy in the face.
Even at 10 years young , I realized this could have been avoided . The man that told them to stop , would have told any couple , gay or straight , to stop because there was a child around. Then they instigated the man by trying to push his buttons . I also thought to myself , does the fact that you like other guys change your voice ? Change the way you dress ? Does it make you loud and obnoxious ? And does your wrist seem to flop all over the place with every statement you make ?
No, you do those things to make a statement , that you belong to a type of group . Almost like wearing your teams colors . Seems a lot like pulling up to Eagles stadium with a car covered in Giants streamers and bumper stickers , getting out of your car with your #80 jersey and yelling Cruuuuuuuuz!!!
Your painting a target on yourself . Does that Giants fan want to be left alone ? To live his life as a Giants fan ? Or is he trying to make a scene ?
Fast forward 20 years later and I'm living in Tampa . There was a Gay rights protest in Downtown . I didn't even hear about it on the news , so I wasnt aware that I should find a different route to get home. So stuck in traffic and watching this protest do circles around a courtyard in downtown , I noticed that 90% of the people were shirtless , the other 10% were lesbians . There were more men wearing makeup than the women that were there , and as the guys passed by some of them blowing kisses at myself and some other male drivers waiting in traffic. So , I couldn't help but to think........things never change.
Don't these people realize , they would get more respect and objective views of there protest if they had just showed up in what they came from work in ?
I for one would have been much more impressed and open to what ever they were protesting for if instead of seeing 2 drag queens shirtless covered in makeup, I saw a guy with his Taco Bell shirt holding hands with a guy in a suit . Instead I just said to myself "ohh boy , here we go "
But that's the point right , to be different , to make a scene . They realize it's not the relationship part that scares people , it's the behavior. So they continue to push it until people react. They don't want to be left alone , they don't want to conform ,to paint a target on themselves ....they want the attention, until it's inconvienent.
It's like having someone poke you with a stick over and over , then thier friends join in and they all think it's cute and laugh about it . But then when you hit one of them cause your sick of it , they cry and act like your the asshole .
Point is , we all have sticks , doesn't mean we have to poke people with them . Pun intended !
But seriously people will let gay people do whatever they want , the second they stop trying to rub everyone's face in it. Until then it will always be a problem.
But let me start off by saying to pass a bill like this is foolish and meant to discriminate , and I definatly agree that it's wrong.
But...
If you and your beliefs do not want to be a target , then you should not make yourself one.
The first time I witnessed a gay couple , I was about 10 years old in upstate NY . My mother asked me to go into the gas station and pay for gas . I went in and while I'm waiting in line , these 2 guys dressed like circus performers , began to jam thier tongues down each other's throats . When they finished they began talking in what would be considered a " gay voice " and waving thier hands around like they had no control over thier wrists.
They obviously wanted to get people's attention. Well they got it . Some other customers noticed me (10 years old in my little league jersey) behind the 2 men and told them to knock it off , there was a kid behind them . One of the gay guys began to act like he was flirting with the man who told them to stop. Saying ohhh baby you want some too ? To which he punched the guy in the face.
Even at 10 years young , I realized this could have been avoided . The man that told them to stop , would have told any couple , gay or straight , to stop because there was a child around. Then they instigated the man by trying to push his buttons . I also thought to myself , does the fact that you like other guys change your voice ? Change the way you dress ? Does it make you loud and obnoxious ? And does your wrist seem to flop all over the place with every statement you make ?
No, you do those things to make a statement , that you belong to a type of group . Almost like wearing your teams colors . Seems a lot like pulling up to Eagles stadium with a car covered in Giants streamers and bumper stickers , getting out of your car with your #80 jersey and yelling Cruuuuuuuuz!!!
Your painting a target on yourself . Does that Giants fan want to be left alone ? To live his life as a Giants fan ? Or is he trying to make a scene ?
Fast forward 20 years later and I'm living in Tampa . There was a Gay rights protest in Downtown . I didn't even hear about it on the news , so I wasnt aware that I should find a different route to get home. So stuck in traffic and watching this protest do circles around a courtyard in downtown , I noticed that 90% of the people were shirtless , the other 10% were lesbians . There were more men wearing makeup than the women that were there , and as the guys passed by some of them blowing kisses at myself and some other male drivers waiting in traffic. So , I couldn't help but to think........things never change.
Don't these people realize , they would get more respect and objective views of there protest if they had just showed up in what they came from work in ?
I for one would have been much more impressed and open to what ever they were protesting for if instead of seeing 2 drag queens shirtless covered in makeup, I saw a guy with his Taco Bell shirt holding hands with a guy in a suit . Instead I just said to myself "ohh boy , here we go "
But that's the point right , to be different , to make a scene . They realize it's not the relationship part that scares people , it's the behavior. So they continue to push it until people react. They don't want to be left alone , they don't want to conform ,to paint a target on themselves ....they want the attention, until it's inconvienent.
It's like having someone poke you with a stick over and over , then thier friends join in and they all think it's cute and laugh about it . But then when you hit one of them cause your sick of it , they cry and act like your the asshole .
Point is , we all have sticks , doesn't mean we have to poke people with them . Pun intended !
But seriously people will let gay people do whatever they want , the second they stop trying to rub everyone's face in it. Until then it will always be a problem.
Hey...I'm not a racist...but I'm a racist. Same shitty argument rationalized and masked in a shitty manner.
And you went down hill from the start:
Quote:
"If you and your beliefs do not want to be a target , then you should not make yourself one."
Yes, being gay is a belief. So a gay couple walking into a restaurant with their adopted kids is them showing their beliefs and thus making them into a target.
Seriously, If I were you, I would stop while I'm way way behind.
No idea why they need to single out any specific Â
group. If you want to be an prejudiced asshole, can't you just be generic and say "management reserves the right to not serve customers for any reason" and then live out your homophobic, racist, ageist, anti-semetic, sexist, whatever-ist insecurities and douchiness under one giant cloak of hate?
or is that wrong?
RE: No idea why they need to single out any specific Â
group. If you want to be an prejudiced asshole, can't you just be generic and say "management reserves the right to not serve customers for any reason" and then live out your homophobic, racist, ageist, anti-semetic, sexist, whatever-ist insecurities and douchiness under one giant cloak of hate?
or is that wrong?
Hey...but only those gays do eccentric things to draw attention to their beliefs...hence they make themselves into targets. At least that's what I learned recently.
A gay couple walking there adopted child into a resturant does NOT make a scene . Well , because who is to know if they are just brothers or sisters walking in with one of there kids .
If me and my brother walk into Applebee's with his son , should people assume we are gay ? I guarentee they won't . Because I'm not parading around with a gay "banner"or drawing attention to myself .
A gay couple walking there adopted child into a resturant does NOT make a scene . Well , because who is to know if they are just brothers or sisters walking in with one of there kids .
If me and my brother walk into Applebee's with his son , should people assume we are gay ? I guarentee they won't . Because I'm not parading around with a gay "banner"or drawing attention to myself .
Your proving my point .
Proving what point? That you're a bigoted scumbag? Done.
A gay couple walking there adopted child into a resturant does NOT make a scene . Well , because who is to know if they are just brothers or sisters walking in with one of there kids .
If me and my brother walk into Applebee's with his son , should people assume we are gay ? I guarentee they won't . Because I'm not parading around with a gay "banner"or drawing attention to myself .
Your proving my point .
So if those two men decided to give each other loving looks and gave each other a normal kiss that any married couples give, that would be ok with you? Or should they just hide the fact that they're couple and make others think that they're just friends or brothers?
Either way, your attempt at trying to mask your homophobic nature is rather weak. So yes, you're proving my point regarding "I'm not a homophobe, but I really am" about you.
I would refrain from posting on this thread and let this one die down. You aren't doing yourself a favor in disproving the impression that you are a homophobe.
doesn't get you banned - just ask Great White Ghost who railed against "dicksucks" in a hate-filled tirade, and still posts.
I don't think he should be banned at all. And his beliefs are his own, no matter how jacked up it is. However, if he voices it in such a cowardly manner, he should expect nothing less than a total ridiculing of his character here. Hence, my advice for him to just stop while he was way way behind.
RE: Rob, racists like PA Giants get a free pass around here too Â
and these shopkeepers who raise this defense all have gay children.
Why? So that they can ostracize them and drive them to depression and potential suicides?
I was thinking more along the lines that this might be the only way for these ignoramuses and/or bigots to realize how wrong they are and that maybe having someone so close to them be "different" will help them come to accept and treat gay people equally.
It's a digression but since you brought up Iran...
The AP headline that just came across my phone says "US is considering letting Iran run hundreds of centrifuges in a fortified, underground bunker...". WTF? Even you have to look a little askance at that, right?
Where do all these cockroach fucktards originate and how do they get elected to public office? I don't live an alternate lifestyle but why the fuck does anyone care who does? Leave people alone to live their lives.
i watched a view cnn clips about this, if you notice the people that were for this legislation were all over the ages of 45.. mostly grey hairs... give it 20-30 years and it won't matter. that generation will die off with there fucked up values.. hopefully their children will have a little more of an open mind.. if you think about this on a bigger scale, how can the republican party last, if they don't start adopting more modern values.. you can't tell me that's not in the back of their heads..
"Don't worry. As long as you look and act and dress just like us you'll be fine."
Look, there is a fairly solid libertarian argument against requiring businesses to be non-discriminatory in hiring and serving customers. But that isnt the law of the land, so to single out LGBTs as ok on the discrimination list is just mean spirited.
It doesn't stop anyone from filing a complaint and it doesn't stop anyone from bringing suit. It doesn't stop any court from finding illegal discrimination. It merely allows the opportunity to raise and prove the defense.
Now oppose it or not, that is your choice, but at least argue over the actual text. The descriptions of the bill in press reports are at best incomplete and at worst misleading.
Here is the actual bill text - ( New Window )
It appears highly unlikely that the lawyer, Matthew G. McLaughlin, can collect the 365,880 signatures of registered voters — 5 percent of the total who voted for governor in the last election — needed to put the initiative on the ballot. Even if he does, it seems even more unlikely that it would ever pass in this state. And even if it did, opponents said, it would almost certainly be thrown out by a judge.
But this episode has thrown a new and unwanted light on California’s historically permissive voter initiative system, created in the early 1900s at the height of the Progressive Era and today the system under which much of California law is enacted. It is voters, and not the Legislature, who have put into place major laws dealing with everything from property taxes to crime to Proposition 8, the 2008 initiative that banned same-sex marriage. That law was later overturned in the courts.
“This just shows how nuts and wrongheaded we are about direct democracy,” said Joe Mathews, a critic of this state’s governance system. “This points out a shameful, problematic thing. You can put anything on the ballot.”
Link - ( New Window )
It doesn't stop anyone from filing a complaint and it doesn't stop anyone from bringing suit. It doesn't stop any court from finding illegal discrimination. It merely allows the opportunity to raise and prove the defense.
Now oppose it or not, that is your choice, but at least argue over the actual text. The descriptions of the bill in press reports are at best incomplete and at worst misleading.
Here is the actual bill text - ( New Window )
You have a point, but the bill does give business owners a case for defense if/when they reject LGBTQ customers. Thus enabling them to discriminate (potentially) legally.
Why? So that they can ostracize them and drive them to depression and potential suicides?
Cannot understand a business turning away customers when margins are so close.
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LOS ANGELES — Even in a state known for its far-reaching and sometimes outlandish voter initiatives, the one proposed by a Huntington Beach lawyer seems stunning: the “Sodomite Suppression Act,” mandating, among other things, that any person who has sexual relations with someone of the same gender be “put to death by bullets to the head.”
It appears highly unlikely that the lawyer, Matthew G. McLaughlin, can collect the 365,880 signatures of registered voters — 5 percent of the total who voted for governor in the last election — needed to put the initiative on the ballot. Even if he does, it seems even more unlikely that it would ever pass in this state. And even if it did, opponents said, it would almost certainly be thrown out by a judge.
But this episode has thrown a new and unwanted light on California’s historically permissive voter initiative system, created in the early 1900s at the height of the Progressive Era and today the system under which much of California law is enacted. It is voters, and not the Legislature, who have put into place major laws dealing with everything from property taxes to crime to Proposition 8, the 2008 initiative that banned same-sex marriage. That law was later overturned in the courts.
“This just shows how nuts and wrongheaded we are about direct democracy,” said Joe Mathews, a critic of this state’s governance system. “This points out a shameful, problematic thing. You can put anything on the ballot.”
Link - ( New Window )
It's depressing.
Bared on the reasoning wouldn't the same businesses then have to deny service to adulterers, fornicators, thiefs, murderers, liars...etc...
I know. As someone, who grew up in California, it just boggles my mind.
And while legally they may have to let this play out, there are enough people to quash this despicable nonsense. And hopefully this asshole gets a swift kick from karma.
The previous governor, Mitch Daniels, and the State of Illinois pretty much took care of that.
Perhaps that's why Pentz has time to waste on crap like this.
But...
If you and your beliefs do not want to be a target , then you should not make yourself one.
The first time I witnessed a gay couple , I was about 10 years old in upstate NY . My mother asked me to go into the gas station and pay for gas . I went in and while I'm waiting in line , these 2 guys dressed like circus performers , began to jam thier tongues down each other's throats . When they finished they began talking in what would be considered a " gay voice " and waving thier hands around like they had no control over thier wrists.
They obviously wanted to get people's attention. Well they got it . Some other customers noticed me (10 years old in my little league jersey) behind the 2 men and told them to knock it off , there was a kid behind them . One of the gay guys began to act like he was flirting with the man who told them to stop. Saying ohhh baby you want some too ? To which he punched the guy in the face.
Even at 10 years young , I realized this could have been avoided . The man that told them to stop , would have told any couple , gay or straight , to stop because there was a child around. Then they instigated the man by trying to push his buttons . I also thought to myself , does the fact that you like other guys change your voice ? Change the way you dress ? Does it make you loud and obnoxious ? And does your wrist seem to flop all over the place with every statement you make ?
No, you do those things to make a statement , that you belong to a type of group . Almost like wearing your teams colors . Seems a lot like pulling up to Eagles stadium with a car covered in Giants streamers and bumper stickers , getting out of your car with your #80 jersey and yelling Cruuuuuuuuz!!!
Your painting a target on yourself . Does that Giants fan want to be left alone ? To live his life as a Giants fan ? Or is he trying to make a scene ?
Fast forward 20 years later and I'm living in Tampa . There was a Gay rights protest in Downtown . I didn't even hear about it on the news , so I wasnt aware that I should find a different route to get home. So stuck in traffic and watching this protest do circles around a courtyard in downtown , I noticed that 90% of the people were shirtless , the other 10% were lesbians . There were more men wearing makeup than the women that were there , and as the guys passed by some of them blowing kisses at myself and some other male drivers waiting in traffic. So , I couldn't help but to think........things never change.
Don't these people realize , they would get more respect and objective views of there protest if they had just showed up in what they came from work in ?
I for one would have been much more impressed and open to what ever they were protesting for if instead of seeing 2 drag queens shirtless covered in makeup, I saw a guy with his Taco Bell shirt holding hands with a guy in a suit . Instead I just said to myself "ohh boy , here we go "
But that's the point right , to be different , to make a scene . They realize it's not the relationship part that scares people , it's the behavior. So they continue to push it until people react. They don't want to be left alone , they don't want to conform ,to paint a target on themselves ....they want the attention, until it's inconvienent.
It's like having someone poke you with a stick over and over , then thier friends join in and they all think it's cute and laugh about it . But then when you hit one of them cause your sick of it , they cry and act like your the asshole .
Point is , we all have sticks , doesn't mean we have to poke people with them . Pun intended !
But seriously people will let gay people do whatever they want , the second they stop trying to rub everyone's face in it. Until then it will always be a problem.
But...
If you and your beliefs do not want to be a target , then you should not make yourself one.
The first time I witnessed a gay couple , I was about 10 years old in upstate NY . My mother asked me to go into the gas station and pay for gas . I went in and while I'm waiting in line , these 2 guys dressed like circus performers , began to jam thier tongues down each other's throats . When they finished they began talking in what would be considered a " gay voice " and waving thier hands around like they had no control over thier wrists.
They obviously wanted to get people's attention. Well they got it . Some other customers noticed me (10 years old in my little league jersey) behind the 2 men and told them to knock it off , there was a kid behind them . One of the gay guys began to act like he was flirting with the man who told them to stop. Saying ohhh baby you want some too ? To which he punched the guy in the face.
Even at 10 years young , I realized this could have been avoided . The man that told them to stop , would have told any couple , gay or straight , to stop because there was a child around. Then they instigated the man by trying to push his buttons . I also thought to myself , does the fact that you like other guys change your voice ? Change the way you dress ? Does it make you loud and obnoxious ? And does your wrist seem to flop all over the place with every statement you make ?
No, you do those things to make a statement , that you belong to a type of group . Almost like wearing your teams colors . Seems a lot like pulling up to Eagles stadium with a car covered in Giants streamers and bumper stickers , getting out of your car with your #80 jersey and yelling Cruuuuuuuuz!!!
Your painting a target on yourself . Does that Giants fan want to be left alone ? To live his life as a Giants fan ? Or is he trying to make a scene ?
Fast forward 20 years later and I'm living in Tampa . There was a Gay rights protest in Downtown . I didn't even hear about it on the news , so I wasnt aware that I should find a different route to get home. So stuck in traffic and watching this protest do circles around a courtyard in downtown , I noticed that 90% of the people were shirtless , the other 10% were lesbians . There were more men wearing makeup than the women that were there , and as the guys passed by some of them blowing kisses at myself and some other male drivers waiting in traffic. So , I couldn't help but to think........things never change.
Don't these people realize , they would get more respect and objective views of there protest if they had just showed up in what they came from work in ?
I for one would have been much more impressed and open to what ever they were protesting for if instead of seeing 2 drag queens shirtless covered in makeup, I saw a guy with his Taco Bell shirt holding hands with a guy in a suit . Instead I just said to myself "ohh boy , here we go "
But that's the point right , to be different , to make a scene . They realize it's not the relationship part that scares people , it's the behavior. So they continue to push it until people react. They don't want to be left alone , they don't want to conform ,to paint a target on themselves ....they want the attention, until it's inconvienent.
It's like having someone poke you with a stick over and over , then thier friends join in and they all think it's cute and laugh about it . But then when you hit one of them cause your sick of it , they cry and act like your the asshole .
Point is , we all have sticks , doesn't mean we have to poke people with them . Pun intended !
But seriously people will let gay people do whatever they want , the second they stop trying to rub everyone's face in it. Until then it will always be a problem.
Hey...I'm not a racist...but I'm a racist. Same shitty argument rationalized and masked in a shitty manner.
And you went down hill from the start:
Yes, being gay is a belief. So a gay couple walking into a restaurant with their adopted kids is them showing their beliefs and thus making them into a target.
Seriously, If I were you, I would stop while I'm way way behind.
or is that wrong?
or is that wrong?
Hey...but only those gays do eccentric things to draw attention to their beliefs...hence they make themselves into targets. At least that's what I learned recently.
If me and my brother walk into Applebee's with his son , should people assume we are gay ? I guarentee they won't . Because I'm not parading around with a gay "banner"or drawing attention to myself .
Your proving my point .
Once they settle down and start acting like the rest of us there won't be any trouble.
Excellent and well thought out post by The Catch.
If me and my brother walk into Applebee's with his son , should people assume we are gay ? I guarentee they won't . Because I'm not parading around with a gay "banner"or drawing attention to myself .
Your proving my point .
Proving what point? That you're a bigoted scumbag? Done.
If me and my brother walk into Applebee's with his son , should people assume we are gay ? I guarentee they won't . Because I'm not parading around with a gay "banner"or drawing attention to myself .
Your proving my point .
So if those two men decided to give each other loving looks and gave each other a normal kiss that any married couples give, that would be ok with you? Or should they just hide the fact that they're couple and make others think that they're just friends or brothers?
Either way, your attempt at trying to mask your homophobic nature is rather weak. So yes, you're proving my point regarding "I'm not a homophobe, but I really am" about you.
I don't think he should be banned at all. And his beliefs are his own, no matter how jacked up it is. However, if he voices it in such a cowardly manner, he should expect nothing less than a total ridiculing of his character here. Hence, my advice for him to just stop while he was way way behind.
This too.
What does Jewish guy acting all Jewy supposed to mean anyway? Are you implying there's a specific way there supposed to act?
Thought it was obvious.
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and these shopkeepers who raise this defense all have gay children.
Why? So that they can ostracize them and drive them to depression and potential suicides?
I was thinking more along the lines that this might be the only way for these ignoramuses and/or bigots to realize how wrong they are and that maybe having someone so close to them be "different" will help them come to accept and treat gay people equally.
It's a digression but since you brought up Iran...
The AP headline that just came across my phone says "US is considering letting Iran run hundreds of centrifuges in a fortified, underground bunker...". WTF? Even you have to look a little askance at that, right?