I am not a racist. Show me my racist comments. I have an issue with the idea that simply racism is the biggest issue that black people deal with and believe black on black crime, poverty, drug laws, education, babies having babies are far more the issue then anything else.
And I believe that if these issues were improved there would be less racism. I see it as a cycle. I believe most people to be good and that racism on it's face is simply stupid since we are all the same beings.
intentionally making a spectacle of yourself in public is generally undesirable behavior.
What does Jewish guy acting all Jewy supposed to mean anyway? Are you implying there's a specific way there supposed to act?
Yes...but as TheCatch seems to imply, that's the way of the gay people and their beliefs. They should just not act gay and stuff in public then people won't think that they're gay, which is what we all want, amirite?
Wow , I expected some pushback but I atleast thought
There would be some interesting points made . Instead I'm being called a biggot? On what grounds ? Ohh and a racist ? Towards what race ? How do you know I'm not Jewish , black , Chinese , Mexican or white ? What if I'm all of those things ? Am I a man or woman ?
Or do you usually just make assumptions to try and prove a point ?
won't recognize Gay marriage. Supreme Court already ruled on it and these states still want to fight it. WTF - waste of taxpayer money.
Cannot understand a business turning away customers when margins are so close.
Florida, like California, has citizens amendments to to constitution. So something that has become a constitutional amendment by voter initiative is the law of the land. What sounded like a good idea a few years ago becomes not so much today. The state can't fix it because it's in the state constitutional. Why, until earlier this year and a federal judge ruled the amendment unconstitutional for the entire state, they were forced to let it play out in the courts or get taken to court themselves for not upholding the state constitution. Voter initiatives are a double edged sword as societies evolve.
and these shopkeepers who raise this defense all have gay children.
Why? So that they can ostracize them and drive them to depression and potential suicides?
I was thinking more along the lines that this might be the only way for these ignoramuses and/or bigots to realize how wrong they are and that maybe having someone so close to them be "different" will help them come to accept and treat gay people equally.
But many won't. Many will shun their kids or try to "ungay" their kids. Not all parents are even that openminded when it comes to their kids.
The idea that one should be able to discriminate based on sexual orientation is ridiculous. The gay people I call friends are all busy having families, working hard and making a nice life for themselves. No different then any other family I know.
There would be some interesting points made . Instead I'm being called a biggot? On what grounds ? Ohh and a racist ? Towards what race ? How do you know I'm not Jewish , black , Chinese , Mexican or white ? What if I'm all of those things ? Am I a man or woman ?
Or do you usually just make assumptions to try and prove a point ?
Don't give a fuck what race or gender you are. Homophobes come in many different colors and can be men or women. But keep talking. You're doing a great job of stamping the "I'm a bigot" sign on your forehead like a scarlet letter.
That's not how I read it. His beef appears to be with certain behaviors that most people would find tasteless no matter who was doing them. I'm a big believer in equal rights for everyone but you have to hold them to the same standards, too.
That's not how I read it. His beef appears to be with certain behaviors that most people would find tasteless no matter who was doing them. I'm a big believer in equal rights for everyone but you have to hold them to the same standards, too.
How often do you see an episode of Queer as Folk break out at the local 7-11?
That's not how I read it. His beef appears to be with certain behaviors that most people would find tasteless no matter who was doing them. I'm a big believer in equal rights for everyone but you have to hold them to the same standards, too.
He would have done a lot better if he had advocated "No PDA" legislation.
I think the knee jerk "bigot" name-calling is a level above what's warranted here.
There's no GWG-like smoking gun homophobic content in Catch's post whatsoever, so I think asking for further clarification before busting out the pitchforks is a more appropriate response.
I understand this is difficult for certain hotheaded posters from LA but every moment in opportunity to improve oneself.
That's not how I read it. His beef appears to be with certain behaviors that most people would find tasteless no matter who was doing them. I'm a big believer in equal rights for everyone but you have to hold them to the same standards, too.
And you missed this gem, right?
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TheCatch : 1:35 pm : link : reply
A gay couple walking there adopted child into a resturant does NOT make a scene . Well , because who is to know if they are just brothers or sisters walking in with one of there kids .
If me and my brother walk into Applebee's with his son , should people assume we are gay ? I guarentee they won't . Because I'm not parading around with a gay "banner"or drawing attention to myself .
Your proving my point .
I like you, RB...but you're missing the "they should act like the rest of us, then they won't be targets" BS. People can act any way they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. To discriminate against others for being different has nothing to do with standards as much as wanting to not have to look at things that make you uncomfortable.
We'll agree to disagree on what TheCatch meant, but I stand by that he's a cowardly homophobe bigot. Ah well.
is that money is green regardless of who spends it. They should have zero other concern about anything else for or against. They're not fuckwits because they're homophobes (or maybe they are but that's not as relevant), they're fuckwits because they're poor businessmen.
won't recognize Gay marriage. Supreme Court already ruled on it and these states still want to fight it. WTF - waste of taxpayer money.
Cannot understand a business turning away customers when margins are so close.
Florida, like California, has citizens amendments to to constitution. So something that has become a constitutional amendment by voter initiative is the law of the land. What sounded like a good idea a few years ago becomes not so much today. The state can't fix it because it's in the state constitutional. Why, until earlier this year and a federal judge ruled the amendment unconstitutional for the entire state, they were forced to let it play out in the courts or get taken to court themselves for not upholding the state constitution. Voter initiatives are a double edged sword as societies evolve.
The process just has to playout.
ctc you are so right on these voter amendments in our beloved state. Really bad idea. The state house cannot amend them like a normal law and we are stuck with the unintended consequences.
I think the knee jerk "bigot" name-calling is a level above what's warranted here.
There's no GWG-like smoking gun homophobic content in Catch's post whatsoever, so I think asking for further clarification before busting out the pitchforks is a more appropriate response.
I understand this is difficult for certain hotheaded posters from LA but every moment in opportunity to improve oneself.
Haha...I'll take that into advisement. But I stand by my own interpretation. You do what you have to do.
I think the knee jerk "bigot" name-calling is a level above what's warranted here.
There's no GWG-like smoking gun homophobic content in Catch's post whatsoever, so I think asking for further clarification before busting out the pitchforks is a more appropriate response.
I understand this is difficult for certain hotheaded posters from LA but every moment in opportunity to improve oneself.
There's no homophobic content in Catch's post?? Funniest fucking thing I've read all day.
That's not how I read it. His beef appears to be with certain behaviors that most people would find tasteless no matter who was doing them. I'm a big believer in equal rights for everyone but you have to hold them to the same standards, too.
How often do you see an episode of Queer as Folk break out at the local 7-11?
Not often but the point remains. Why? Will that be your next photo shop? Don't forget Davidson.
That's not how I read it. His beef appears to be with certain behaviors that most people would find tasteless no matter who was doing them. I'm a big believer in equal rights for everyone but you have to hold them to the same standards, too.
And you missed this gem, right?
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TheCatch : 1:35 pm : link : reply
A gay couple walking there adopted child into a resturant does NOT make a scene . Well , because who is to know if they are just brothers or sisters walking in with one of there kids .
If me and my brother walk into Applebee's with his son , should people assume we are gay ? I guarentee they won't . Because I'm not parading around with a gay "banner"or drawing attention to myself .
Your proving my point .
I like you, RB...but you're missing the "they should act like the rest of us, then they won't be targets" BS. People can act any way they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. To discriminate against others for being different has nothing to do with standards as much as wanting to not have to look at things that make you uncomfortable.
We'll agree to disagree on what TheCatch meant, but I stand by that he's a cowardly homophobe bigot. Ah well.
(not disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing)
I disagree. I think you can impose certain behavioral standards on your customers. (And yeah, I know this contradicts my last post). For example, I totally and enthusiastically endorse dress codes for restaurants and would support a "No children allowed" rule at many places if it were feasible.
RB, you can address me directly , instead of trying to be so coy
I think the knee jerk "bigot" name-calling is a level above what's warranted here.
There's no GWG-like smoking gun homophobic content in Catch's post whatsoever, so I think asking for further clarification before busting out the pitchforks is a more appropriate response.
I understand this is difficult for certain hotheaded posters from LA but every moment in opportunity to improve oneself.
I'm not saying thecatch had offensive language or not, or he's any -ist or not. But I agree people throw the racist label out around here constantly and freely.
use the word thug, you're a racist. Disagree with them on evidence in a trial, you're a racist.
Some people obviously are and they've proven that and deserve it.
I was reading John Grisham's latest novel Gray Mountain and he uses the word thug multiple times to describe some people (of unknown race but I assume white) hired by the oil companies to protect their demolition activities in the West Virginia mountains.
My first thought was, huh, I wonder if BBI realizes John Grisham is racist.
You know nothing about me and I won't waste the time trying to prove who I am , that's not what this is about.
What is Jewy anyway ? Or blackish ? Your proving my point even further .
There are no preconceived or natural behaviors , only ones that people WANT to act like to associate themselves with a certain group,and THAT is my point .
Also , of course there is no problem with a loving glance or kiss , but does it piss you off when you out with your family and a man and woman start making out in the booth next to you.
Of course it does , and you would probably say something or ask the manager to do something. But if it's a Gay couple , you better not even have an opinion ! They have rights too .
Do they have any more rights than the straight couple ? Why is it not the same ? What's good for one should be good for all.
I still don't consider this gang-up worthy. I think explaining to Catch the error of his ways is a better course of action. He doesn't come accross to me like a closed-minded, unreformable dickbag like GWG.
...ist gets used more as a propaganda tool than a point of debate. It's a speech quencher without trying to look as if you're using force. That's not to say that it isn't, at times appropriately used.
TheCatch let an incident when he was a kid paint his
opinions of gay people for the rest of his life. The behaviors he outlined that were so outlandish, and got his trousers in a bunch is men being shirtless, speaking in 'gay voices', and limp wrists. So yeah, I think he's a bigot.
RE: TheCatch let an incident when he was a kid paint his
opinions of gay people for the rest of his life. The behaviors he outlined that were so outlandish, and got his trousers in a bunch is men being shirtless, speaking in 'gay voices', and limp wrists. So yeah, I think he's a bigot.
An incident that probably never even happened. Just sayin'...
It doesn't exist. What I just wrote is what I have written 100x. You called me a racist....surely you would be able to say why I am a racist and what it is that I said that was racist.
I believe that racism is so stupid on its face these days, that you have to look at the whole picture.
Eh...before you White Knights come to TheCatch's rescue...
To imply that if gay people would just act normally and let people guess whether they were gay or not instead of advertising that they are by carrying around "the gay banner" wherever they go is both insulting to millions of gay people and those, who want them to live their lives without discrimination.
Very few gay people actually conduct themselves in flamboyant manners in gay pride parades. But to use that as some kind of a defense for this bill or any other discriminatory bills shows one's own agenda, which borders on homophobic bigotry.
Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but others are also entitled to call out cowardly bigots in a knee jerk manner, especially when they double down and remove any doubt.
RE: RE: TheCatch let an incident when he was a kid paint his
opinions of gay people for the rest of his life. The behaviors he outlined that were so outlandish, and got his trousers in a bunch is men being shirtless, speaking in 'gay voices', and limp wrists. So yeah, I think he's a bigot.
An incident that probably never even happened. Just sayin'...
That's possible but then you're saying he's lying, which is assuming a lot.
That's not how I read it. His beef appears to be with certain behaviors that most people would find tasteless no matter who was doing them. I'm a big believer in equal rights for everyone but you have to hold them to the same standards, too.
To imply that if gay people would just act normally and let people guess whether they were gay or not instead of advertising that they are by carrying around "the gay banner" wherever they go is both insulting to millions of gay people and those, who want them to live their lives without discrimination.
Very few gay people actually conduct themselves in flamboyant manners in gay pride parades. But to use that as some kind of a defense for this bill or any other discriminatory bills shows one's own agenda, which borders on homophobic bigotry.
Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but others are also entitled to call out cowardly bigots in a knee jerk manner, especially when they double down and remove any doubt.
Yep.
What he began with was, "gay people shouldn't act gay"- which has now turned to simply PDA's...which would be taken care of with a law about PDA's- and nothing to do with gay or straight.
But fuck Applebee's and their gay orgies. Seriously.
20 years ago, things were different. You saw more flamboyant types as a higher % of those you could identify as gay. Now that society has become more advanced, gay people do not need to hide their sexuality as a general rule. It also depends on who you associate with. In a professional setting there is less of difference in behavior then if you worked in the arts or theatre...
To imply that if gay people would just act normally and let people guess whether they were gay or not instead of advertising that they are by carrying around "the gay banner" wherever they go is both insulting to millions of gay people and those, who want them to live their lives without discrimination.
Very few gay people actually conduct themselves in flamboyant manners in gay pride parades. But to use that as some kind of a defense for this bill or any other discriminatory bills shows one's own agenda, which borders on homophobic bigotry.
Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but others are also entitled to call out cowardly bigots in a knee jerk manner, especially when they double down and remove any doubt.
Yep.
What he began with was, "gay people shouldn't act gay"- which has now turned to simply PDA's...which would be taken care of with a law about PDA's- and nothing to do with gay or straight.
But fuck Applebee's and their gay orgies. Seriously.
I would so vote like a Chicagoan for a law banning PDA's.
opinions of gay people for the rest of his life. The behaviors he outlined that were so outlandish, and got his trousers in a bunch is men being shirtless, speaking in 'gay voices', and limp wrists. So yeah, I think he's a bigot.
I have no deep rooted issue , I'm speaking about behavior and the result of it . Good or bad . If you read what I wrote , I stated this could have been avoided.
Like when the Giants fan goes to Philly. If someone threw a football at him when he was tailgating or threw a beer at him in the stadium , nobody here would think twice about . We would think he was very brave and a little stupid for behaving that way. It would be headline news if the guy was gay and these things happened.
There is BEING yourself and there's painting a TARGET on yourself.
Two completely different things. I'm certainly not saying you can't be a target , if that's what you want , then that's probably what your going to get.
But when you get the attention , how can you say I just wish everyone would leave me alone.
The first time I witnessed a gay couple , I was about 10 years old in upstate NY . My mother asked me to go into the gas station and pay for gas . I went in and while I'm waiting in line , these 2 guys dressed like circus performers , began to jam thier tongues down each other's throats . When they finished they began talking in what would be considered a " gay voice " and waving thier hands around like they had no control over thier wrists.
They obviously wanted to get people's attention. Well they got it . Some other customers noticed me (10 years old in my little league jersey) behind the 2 men and told them to knock it off , there was a kid behind them . One of the gay guys began to act like he was flirting with the man who told them to stop. Saying ohhh baby you want some too ? To which he punched the guy in the face.
Even at 10 years young , I realized this could have been avoided . The man that told them to stop , would have told any couple , gay or straight , to stop because there was a child around...
How do you know it was the first time you witnessed a gay couple. Maybe you had seen hundreds of gay couples before but they werent making out. Why not reach the same conclusion about hetero couples -- you had never seen one before until you saw a couple going to town on eachother?
Here , maybe this is a better way of explaining what I'm talking about.
Your calling out of work cause you have a fever/ cold/ Flu....do you call your boss and just say I'm feeling like crap today , or do you call with the scratchy I'm half dead voice , trying to sound stuffed up.
Not everyone tries to act like they are dying every time they are sick. But the ones that do are screaming," feel bad for me ". Having a fever has nothing to do with your throat , and your not dying.
Why do people have this preconceived notion that they have to act a certain way in order to make people believe they are something?
You are what you are , but you don't have to behave a certain way to prove it .
Here , maybe this is a better way of explaining what I'm talking about.
Your calling out of work cause you have a fever/ cold/ Flu....do you call your boss and just say I'm feeling like crap today , or do you call with the scratchy I'm half dead voice , trying to sound stuffed up.
Not everyone tries to act like they are dying every time they are sick. But the ones that do are screaming," feel bad for me ". Having a fever has nothing to do with your throat , and your not dying.
Why do people have this preconceived notion that they have to act a certain way in order to make people believe they are something?
You are what you are , but you don't have to behave a certain way to prove it .
Yep. You are what you are, and if what you are is a flamoyant gay guy- what then?
Ohhhhhhh!
I get it. Gay folks that act gay aren't acting that way because they're gay, they're acting that way because they want attention!
Your absolutely right. I should not assume that was the first time. But it was the first time I realized that the behavior ( which I believe is fake ) has consequences .
That probably wraps up MY personal thoughts on the subject . It's a FAKE behavior that can have a negative effect. So just be who you are , stop with the act , being gay does not mean that you have to talk or act a certain way ( a lot don't ) just like when your calling in sick , you don't have to act like your dying or fake cough.
When that ACT makes people uncomfortable or brings negative attention , then people will talk . Hence the " you can't behave that way and expect people to not have an opinion ."
I absolutely support gay rights , I just think there is a smoother road to getting there if 20% of your people don't make a spectacle out of them selves.
My opinions on this matter became stronger a few years ago ,when a lesbian friend of mine ( who acts like herself, not any particular group ) voiced HER opinion to me . Stating that those " attention whores" are making life more difficult for gay people and SHE believes that they are not even truly gay . Because being Gay doesn't change how you behave . That's an attention thing . She said its like people who are into punk rock . She's into it also ( another lesbian stereotype) but she says "you don't see me going around trying to see how high I can spike my blue Mohawk "
She loves her lifestyle the same as she loves her music , but to say those things should make you behave a certain way is foolish. She's the one that gave me the sick voice analogy . If your fake coughing , your probably not that sick.
And I believe that if these issues were improved there would be less racism. I see it as a cycle. I believe most people to be good and that racism on it's face is simply stupid since we are all the same beings.
What does Jewish guy acting all Jewy supposed to mean anyway? Are you implying there's a specific way there supposed to act?
Yes...but as TheCatch seems to imply, that's the way of the gay people and their beliefs. They should just not act gay and stuff in public then people won't think that they're gay, which is what we all want, amirite?
Or do you usually just make assumptions to try and prove a point ?
Cannot understand a business turning away customers when margins are so close.
Florida, like California, has citizens amendments to to constitution. So something that has become a constitutional amendment by voter initiative is the law of the land. What sounded like a good idea a few years ago becomes not so much today. The state can't fix it because it's in the state constitutional. Why, until earlier this year and a federal judge ruled the amendment unconstitutional for the entire state, they were forced to let it play out in the courts or get taken to court themselves for not upholding the state constitution. Voter initiatives are a double edged sword as societies evolve.
The process just has to playout.
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and these shopkeepers who raise this defense all have gay children.
Why? So that they can ostracize them and drive them to depression and potential suicides?
I was thinking more along the lines that this might be the only way for these ignoramuses and/or bigots to realize how wrong they are and that maybe having someone so close to them be "different" will help them come to accept and treat gay people equally.
But many won't. Many will shun their kids or try to "ungay" their kids. Not all parents are even that openminded when it comes to their kids.
Or do you usually just make assumptions to try and prove a point ?
Don't give a fuck what race or gender you are. Homophobes come in many different colors and can be men or women. But keep talking. You're doing a great job of stamping the "I'm a bigot" sign on your forehead like a scarlet letter.
How often do you see an episode of Queer as Folk break out at the local 7-11?
He would have done a lot better if he had advocated "No PDA" legislation.
There's no GWG-like smoking gun homophobic content in Catch's post whatsoever, so I think asking for further clarification before busting out the pitchforks is a more appropriate response.
I understand this is difficult for certain hotheaded posters from LA but every moment in opportunity to improve oneself.
And you missed this gem, right?
TheCatch : 1:35 pm : link : reply
A gay couple walking there adopted child into a resturant does NOT make a scene . Well , because who is to know if they are just brothers or sisters walking in with one of there kids .
If me and my brother walk into Applebee's with his son , should people assume we are gay ? I guarentee they won't . Because I'm not parading around with a gay "banner"or drawing attention to myself .
Your proving my point .
I like you, RB...but you're missing the "they should act like the rest of us, then they won't be targets" BS. People can act any way they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. To discriminate against others for being different has nothing to do with standards as much as wanting to not have to look at things that make you uncomfortable.
We'll agree to disagree on what TheCatch meant, but I stand by that he's a cowardly homophobe bigot. Ah well.
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won't recognize Gay marriage. Supreme Court already ruled on it and these states still want to fight it. WTF - waste of taxpayer money.
Cannot understand a business turning away customers when margins are so close.
Florida, like California, has citizens amendments to to constitution. So something that has become a constitutional amendment by voter initiative is the law of the land. What sounded like a good idea a few years ago becomes not so much today. The state can't fix it because it's in the state constitutional. Why, until earlier this year and a federal judge ruled the amendment unconstitutional for the entire state, they were forced to let it play out in the courts or get taken to court themselves for not upholding the state constitution. Voter initiatives are a double edged sword as societies evolve.
The process just has to playout.
ctc you are so right on these voter amendments in our beloved state. Really bad idea. The state house cannot amend them like a normal law and we are stuck with the unintended consequences.
There's no GWG-like smoking gun homophobic content in Catch's post whatsoever, so I think asking for further clarification before busting out the pitchforks is a more appropriate response.
I understand this is difficult for certain hotheaded posters from LA but every moment in opportunity to improve oneself.
Haha...I'll take that into advisement. But I stand by my own interpretation. You do what you have to do.
There's no GWG-like smoking gun homophobic content in Catch's post whatsoever, so I think asking for further clarification before busting out the pitchforks is a more appropriate response.
I understand this is difficult for certain hotheaded posters from LA but every moment in opportunity to improve oneself.
There's no homophobic content in Catch's post?? Funniest fucking thing I've read all day.
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That's not how I read it. His beef appears to be with certain behaviors that most people would find tasteless no matter who was doing them. I'm a big believer in equal rights for everyone but you have to hold them to the same standards, too.
How often do you see an episode of Queer as Folk break out at the local 7-11?
Not often but the point remains. Why? Will that be your next photo shop? Don't forget Davidson.
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That's not how I read it. His beef appears to be with certain behaviors that most people would find tasteless no matter who was doing them. I'm a big believer in equal rights for everyone but you have to hold them to the same standards, too.
And you missed this gem, right?
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TheCatch : 1:35 pm : link : reply
A gay couple walking there adopted child into a resturant does NOT make a scene . Well , because who is to know if they are just brothers or sisters walking in with one of there kids .
If me and my brother walk into Applebee's with his son , should people assume we are gay ? I guarentee they won't . Because I'm not parading around with a gay "banner"or drawing attention to myself .
Your proving my point .
I like you, RB...but you're missing the "they should act like the rest of us, then they won't be targets" BS. People can act any way they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. To discriminate against others for being different has nothing to do with standards as much as wanting to not have to look at things that make you uncomfortable.
We'll agree to disagree on what TheCatch meant, but I stand by that he's a cowardly homophobe bigot. Ah well.
(not disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing)
I disagree. I think you can impose certain behavioral standards on your customers. (And yeah, I know this contradicts my last post). For example, I totally and enthusiastically endorse dress codes for restaurants and would support a "No children allowed" rule at many places if it were feasible.
There's no GWG-like smoking gun homophobic content in Catch's post whatsoever, so I think asking for further clarification before busting out the pitchforks is a more appropriate response.
I understand this is difficult for certain hotheaded posters from LA but every moment in opportunity to improve oneself.
I'm not saying thecatch had offensive language or not, or he's any -ist or not. But I agree people throw the racist label out around here constantly and freely.
use the word thug, you're a racist. Disagree with them on evidence in a trial, you're a racist.
Some people obviously are and they've proven that and deserve it.
I was reading John Grisham's latest novel Gray Mountain and he uses the word thug multiple times to describe some people (of unknown race but I assume white) hired by the oil companies to protect their demolition activities in the West Virginia mountains.
My first thought was, huh, I wonder if BBI realizes John Grisham is racist.
You know nothing about me and I won't waste the time trying to prove who I am , that's not what this is about.
What is Jewy anyway ? Or blackish ? Your proving my point even further .
There are no preconceived or natural behaviors , only ones that people WANT to act like to associate themselves with a certain group,and THAT is my point .
Also , of course there is no problem with a loving glance or kiss , but does it piss you off when you out with your family and a man and woman start making out in the booth next to you.
Of course it does , and you would probably say something or ask the manager to do something. But if it's a Gay couple , you better not even have an opinion ! They have rights too .
Do they have any more rights than the straight couple ? Why is it not the same ? What's good for one should be good for all.
I still don't consider this gang-up worthy. I think explaining to Catch the error of his ways is a better course of action. He doesn't come accross to me like a closed-minded, unreformable dickbag like GWG.
Ignore and move on.
An incident that probably never even happened. Just sayin'...
I believe that racism is so stupid on its face these days, that you have to look at the whole picture.
Very few gay people actually conduct themselves in flamboyant manners in gay pride parades. But to use that as some kind of a defense for this bill or any other discriminatory bills shows one's own agenda, which borders on homophobic bigotry.
Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but others are also entitled to call out cowardly bigots in a knee jerk manner, especially when they double down and remove any doubt.
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opinions of gay people for the rest of his life. The behaviors he outlined that were so outlandish, and got his trousers in a bunch is men being shirtless, speaking in 'gay voices', and limp wrists. So yeah, I think he's a bigot.
An incident that probably never even happened. Just sayin'...
That's possible but then you're saying he's lying, which is assuming a lot.
Exactly
Very few gay people actually conduct themselves in flamboyant manners in gay pride parades. But to use that as some kind of a defense for this bill or any other discriminatory bills shows one's own agenda, which borders on homophobic bigotry.
Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but others are also entitled to call out cowardly bigots in a knee jerk manner, especially when they double down and remove any doubt.
Yep.
What he began with was, "gay people shouldn't act gay"- which has now turned to simply PDA's...which would be taken care of with a law about PDA's- and nothing to do with gay or straight.
But fuck Applebee's and their gay orgies. Seriously.
They should be able to act however they want as long as they're not breaking any laws just like any other citizen of the US.
There is not law about broadcasting that you're gay via your behavior (as long as it's within the law).
What Catch is suggesting is that gay people should change their legal behavior so that people won't target them.
It is exactly what gay rights advocates fight for- to be allowed to be themselves without fear of being 'targeted'.
It doesn't matter if you think the way they talk or their 'floppy wrists' are offensive or distasteful.
Telling them to essentially stay in the closet is bullshit.
You can't google images?
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To imply that if gay people would just act normally and let people guess whether they were gay or not instead of advertising that they are by carrying around "the gay banner" wherever they go is both insulting to millions of gay people and those, who want them to live their lives without discrimination.
Very few gay people actually conduct themselves in flamboyant manners in gay pride parades. But to use that as some kind of a defense for this bill or any other discriminatory bills shows one's own agenda, which borders on homophobic bigotry.
Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but others are also entitled to call out cowardly bigots in a knee jerk manner, especially when they double down and remove any doubt.
Yep.
What he began with was, "gay people shouldn't act gay"- which has now turned to simply PDA's...which would be taken care of with a law about PDA's- and nothing to do with gay or straight.
But fuck Applebee's and their gay orgies. Seriously.
I would so vote like a Chicagoan for a law banning PDA's.
and suckered me into seeing if there truly were images.
I have no deep rooted issue , I'm speaking about behavior and the result of it . Good or bad . If you read what I wrote , I stated this could have been avoided.
Like when the Giants fan goes to Philly. If someone threw a football at him when he was tailgating or threw a beer at him in the stadium , nobody here would think twice about . We would think he was very brave and a little stupid for behaving that way. It would be headline news if the guy was gay and these things happened.
There is BEING yourself and there's painting a TARGET on yourself.
Two completely different things. I'm certainly not saying you can't be a target , if that's what you want , then that's probably what your going to get.
But when you get the attention , how can you say I just wish everyone would leave me alone.
The first time I witnessed a gay couple , I was about 10 years old in upstate NY . My mother asked me to go into the gas station and pay for gas . I went in and while I'm waiting in line , these 2 guys dressed like circus performers , began to jam thier tongues down each other's throats . When they finished they began talking in what would be considered a " gay voice " and waving thier hands around like they had no control over thier wrists.
They obviously wanted to get people's attention. Well they got it . Some other customers noticed me (10 years old in my little league jersey) behind the 2 men and told them to knock it off , there was a kid behind them . One of the gay guys began to act like he was flirting with the man who told them to stop. Saying ohhh baby you want some too ? To which he punched the guy in the face.
Even at 10 years young , I realized this could have been avoided . The man that told them to stop , would have told any couple , gay or straight , to stop because there was a child around...
How do you know it was the first time you witnessed a gay couple. Maybe you had seen hundreds of gay couples before but they werent making out. Why not reach the same conclusion about hetero couples -- you had never seen one before until you saw a couple going to town on eachother?
Your problem seems to be PDAs. Which are gross.
Here , maybe this is a better way of explaining what I'm talking about.
Your calling out of work cause you have a fever/ cold/ Flu....do you call your boss and just say I'm feeling like crap today , or do you call with the scratchy I'm half dead voice , trying to sound stuffed up.
Not everyone tries to act like they are dying every time they are sick. But the ones that do are screaming," feel bad for me ". Having a fever has nothing to do with your throat , and your not dying.
Why do people have this preconceived notion that they have to act a certain way in order to make people believe they are something?
You are what you are , but you don't have to behave a certain way to prove it .
Here , maybe this is a better way of explaining what I'm talking about.
Your calling out of work cause you have a fever/ cold/ Flu....do you call your boss and just say I'm feeling like crap today , or do you call with the scratchy I'm half dead voice , trying to sound stuffed up.
Not everyone tries to act like they are dying every time they are sick. But the ones that do are screaming," feel bad for me ". Having a fever has nothing to do with your throat , and your not dying.
Why do people have this preconceived notion that they have to act a certain way in order to make people believe they are something?
You are what you are , but you don't have to behave a certain way to prove it .
Yep. You are what you are, and if what you are is a flamoyant gay guy- what then?
Ohhhhhhh!
I get it. Gay folks that act gay aren't acting that way because they're gay, they're acting that way because they want attention!
Got it.
-TheCatch
That probably wraps up MY personal thoughts on the subject . It's a FAKE behavior that can have a negative effect. So just be who you are , stop with the act , being gay does not mean that you have to talk or act a certain way ( a lot don't ) just like when your calling in sick , you don't have to act like your dying or fake cough.
When that ACT makes people uncomfortable or brings negative attention , then people will talk . Hence the " you can't behave that way and expect people to not have an opinion ."
I absolutely support gay rights , I just think there is a smoother road to getting there if 20% of your people don't make a spectacle out of them selves.
My opinions on this matter became stronger a few years ago ,when a lesbian friend of mine ( who acts like herself, not any particular group ) voiced HER opinion to me . Stating that those " attention whores" are making life more difficult for gay people and SHE believes that they are not even truly gay . Because being Gay doesn't change how you behave . That's an attention thing . She said its like people who are into punk rock . She's into it also ( another lesbian stereotype) but she says "you don't see me going around trying to see how high I can spike my blue Mohawk "
She loves her lifestyle the same as she loves her music , but to say those things should make you behave a certain way is foolish. She's the one that gave me the sick voice analogy . If your fake coughing , your probably not that sick.