Chip Kelly on Eli Manning

also visited Cruz in the hospital last year after he tore his patella, may not be the best personnel guy, but he does have a semblance of class

is confusing.

But with this, plus him going to see Cruz in the hospital after his injury last year, I keep giving him a pass.

Fuck the Eagles otherwise though (grin).

Like minds.

are what I've missed the most these past two seasons. Hope we get back to that this year.

but ideally, I do want my leaders to be a little more vocal.

Eli's demeanor probably wouldn't work if the guys didn't respect him for being such a winner. Can't argue against rings and proven clutch 4th quarter play. Mariota hasn't proven that yet.

Those Mariota/Winston NFL Network segments where both guys sat and talked with the panel was really striking. Winston just knows how to talk in public, it's the way he acts in private that's a question mark. Mariota seemed so quiet and reserved for a QB, it really did shock me.

In comment 12205516 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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but ideally, I do want my leaders to be a little more vocal. Eli's demeanor probably wouldn't work if the guys didn't respect him for being such a winner. Can't argue against rings and proven clutch 4th quarter play. Mariota hasn't proven that yet. Those Mariota/Winston NFL Network segments where both guys sat and talked with the panel was really striking. Winston just knows how to talk in public, it's the way he acts in private that's a question mark. Mariota seemed so quiet and reserved for a QB, it really did shock me.

I don't really get this line of thought -- he had this demeanor before he won, and then won with it. So it worked before he really was a 'winner' in that way.

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are what I've missed the most these past two seasons. Hope we get back to that this year.

How many did we lose because the defense couldn't make a stop after we had taken the lead?

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In comment 12205516 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said: Quote: but ideally, I do want my leaders to be a little more vocal. Eli's demeanor probably wouldn't work if the guys didn't respect him for being such a winner. Can't argue against rings and proven clutch 4th quarter play. Mariota hasn't proven that yet. Those Mariota/Winston NFL Network segments where both guys sat and talked with the panel was really striking. Winston just knows how to talk in public, it's the way he acts in private that's a question mark. Mariota seemed so quiet and reserved for a QB, it really did shock me. I don't really get this line of thought -- he had this demeanor before he won, and then won with it. So it worked before he really was a 'winner' in that way.

I'm not saying you can't win with that demeanor. I think there are different ways to be a leader. I'm not asking for a Philip Rivers who yells non-stop, but I'd prefer someone who was a little more expressive than Eli is. Eli's closer to the exception when it comes to great QB demeanor rather than the rule.

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Joe Montana ever yapping at Rice, Craig, Taylor et al back in the day.

Pretty sure Eli is in pretty good company when it comes to QB leadership.

As an aside, someone mentioned Rivers above. I would put Marino in that same category.

I think Eli's style is an asset off the field more than on the field. If he had a roller-coaster personality, the NY media would have crucified him in the down years.

Chip, just his team and style of play.

He's tough, smart and focused. His teammates know who he is and respect him for that.

"Cool as the other side of the pillow" seems to work fine at crucial moments.

is an NFL football coach. He's not some dope on a message board. Of course he knows Eli Manning is good. You don't have to have a license or complete requirements to be a fan. Therefore you get a whole lot of dumb. I don't think a single person in the NFL or involved with it would not recognize the quality of our QB. At least they wouldn't say he isn't good out loud or in public if they wanted to be able to convince people they know what they're talking about and get another job.

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In comment 12205515 bceagle05 said: Quote: are what I've missed the most these past two seasons. Hope we get back to that this year. How many did we lose because the defense couldn't make a stop after we had taken the lead?

Exactly what I was going to say.

this makes it hard for me to hate him. I shouldn't see this.

" I don't see Eli Manning screaming and yelling at anybody, but you talk about a stone-cold killer in the fourth quarter. "

Pretty much sums up the story of Eli the gunslinger.

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" I don't see Eli Manning screaming and yelling at anybody, but you talk about a stone-cold killer in the fourth quarter. " Pretty much sums up the story of Eli the gunslinger.

I agree, and I love Eli, but an argument could be made that if he was more assertive and demanding he might be even better as a leader. Not saying that's the case or that I would want him to change, just saying its possible.

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but it was his play on the field that commanded respect. Even before he won a ring he took hit after hit and played hurt without complaint. That demanded a certain amount of respect. I still think though for awhile the Giants players were a bit puzzled by what to make of Easy-Eli.

Yell and scream to be a leader. You can lead by example.

for being who he is. A leader by example and a tough, clutch player on the field

tough smart competitor who gets the most out of his players or gets rid of them if they do not fit. ELI has never let us down, we let him down, letting the team disintegrate around him. We should have been at the the top of the heap for longer than we were. But we dropped the ball with poor talent replacement by the front office. Plaxico's implosion probably cost us another SB shot as well.

In comment 12205516 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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but ideally, I do want my leaders to be a little more vocal. Eli's demeanor probably wouldn't work if the guys didn't respect him for being such a winner. Can't argue against rings and proven clutch 4th quarter play. Mariota hasn't proven that yet. Those Mariota/Winston NFL Network segments where both guys sat and talked with the panel was really striking. Winston just knows how to talk in public, it's the way he acts in private that's a question mark. Mariota seemed so quiet and reserved for a QB, it really did shock me.

I don't know if Eli's really ever been described as "reserved" though, except for maybe taking a back seat to Tiki initially. He might not show up his teammates ala Rivers, but he is definitely in command of the offense and has been since at least 2007.

discussing things with his WRs after a bad play.

And another sign of a leader is he always blames himself first and foremost for any screw-up (hi Randle!), taking heat off the other guys. Hell, if asked about the OL, he'd probably respond that he needs to get rid of the ball quicker! There are some other great QBs around the league that are quick to throw others under the bus.

He sets the example by being the first one in and last one out every single day, and by his extra film work with his recievers during the season, and organized workouts during the lockout.

I guarantee you he is highly, HIGHLY regarded and respected by his teammates, coaches, and the owner.

Michael Strahan even dedicated an entire segment of his HOF speach to him, and he only played with him for 3 years. What does that tell you?

even though he's the Eagle HC.
I would prefer my QB be more vocal and fiery at times like Brady, but this is who Eli is and it works for him. That maybe why we don't play as well consistently at times cause we lack the fire from the leader?
Just think that sometimes players need that from the leader to get everyone playing at their highest level.
Simms is a good example of that as well, he was just more vocal and intense. You obviously have to be able to play well and be a leader off the field as well.

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That maybe why we don't play as well consistently at times cause we lack the fire from the leader?

Defense still sucked.

Offense doesn't need fire and brimstone in the huddle. They need cool and calm when they're down 6 with two minutes left. They need their QB to keep the huddle calm, look them in the eye, and expect them to do their job. That's what Eli does. If you listen, really listen, to Eli's teammates talk about him, the say that's what the respect the MOST. His calmness in the huddle in the most intense situations, where he acts like it's the same as if it's a practice or preseason game, even if it's the final drive of the Superbowl.

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but ideally, I do want my leaders to be a little more vocal. Mariota seemed so quiet and reserved for a QB, it really did shock me.

I think Mariota will be okay. Eli was not only extremely quiet his first year, he could barely put a complete sentence together when speaking in public.

he just gave you the "look".....

He said something to the effect of:

Peyton's teammates will respect Peyton.

Eli's teammates will LOVE Eli.

That's just one of a few quotes I've heard from him when describing the difference between Peyton and Eli (his quote about bringing them the wrong food is another one of my favorites).

The absolutely last thing a leader should be is a phony. Eli has never tried to be something or someone he's not. That probably carries more weight with his teammates than anything else.

Didn't know Chip went to visit Cruz in the hospital. That wins him a few points with me. Like two.