Haven't seen this mentioned anywhere on BBI but here's an interesting piece in which Kelly defends criticism of Mariotta's understated on-field presence by favorably comparing it to Eli Manning's, as an example:
Kelly has heard the talk that Mariota's personality is too understated to thrive in the NFL.
"You evaluate everything when you look at him," Kelly said. "Just because a guy doesn't yell and scream at a guy when he doesn't run the right route -- ask any of those guys if they'd take Eli Manning. I don't see Eli Manning screaming and yelling at anybody, but you talk about a stone-cold killer in the fourth quarter. Look at how many fourth-quarter comebacks Eli's had."
The guy is a total blowhard but it's nice to see that he truly respects the style and accomplishments of his rival's franchise player.
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Fuck the Eagles otherwise though (grin).
Eli's demeanor probably wouldn't work if the guys didn't respect him for being such a winner. Can't argue against rings and proven clutch 4th quarter play. Mariota hasn't proven that yet.
Those Mariota/Winston NFL Network segments where both guys sat and talked with the panel was really striking. Winston just knows how to talk in public, it's the way he acts in private that's a question mark. Mariota seemed so quiet and reserved for a QB, it really did shock me.
Eli's demeanor probably wouldn't work if the guys didn't respect him for being such a winner. Can't argue against rings and proven clutch 4th quarter play. Mariota hasn't proven that yet.
Those Mariota/Winston NFL Network segments where both guys sat and talked with the panel was really striking. Winston just knows how to talk in public, it's the way he acts in private that's a question mark. Mariota seemed so quiet and reserved for a QB, it really did shock me.
I don't really get this line of thought -- he had this demeanor before he won, and then won with it. So it worked before he really was a 'winner' in that way.
How many did we lose because the defense couldn't make a stop after we had taken the lead?
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but ideally, I do want my leaders to be a little more vocal.
Eli's demeanor probably wouldn't work if the guys didn't respect him for being such a winner. Can't argue against rings and proven clutch 4th quarter play. Mariota hasn't proven that yet.
Those Mariota/Winston NFL Network segments where both guys sat and talked with the panel was really striking. Winston just knows how to talk in public, it's the way he acts in private that's a question mark. Mariota seemed so quiet and reserved for a QB, it really did shock me.
I don't really get this line of thought -- he had this demeanor before he won, and then won with it. So it worked before he really was a 'winner' in that way.
I'm not saying you can't win with that demeanor. I think there are different ways to be a leader. I'm not asking for a Philip Rivers who yells non-stop, but I'd prefer someone who was a little more expressive than Eli is. Eli's closer to the exception when it comes to great QB demeanor rather than the rule.
Pretty sure Eli is in pretty good company when it comes to QB leadership.
As an aside, someone mentioned Rivers above. I would put Marino in that same category.
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are what I've missed the most these past two seasons. Hope we get back to that this year.
How many did we lose because the defense couldn't make a stop after we had taken the lead?
Exactly what I was going to say.
Pretty much sums up the story of Eli the gunslinger.
Pretty much sums up the story of Eli the gunslinger.
I agree, and I love Eli, but an argument could be made that if he was more assertive and demanding he might be even better as a leader. Not saying that's the case or that I would want him to change, just saying its possible.
Eli's demeanor probably wouldn't work if the guys didn't respect him for being such a winner. Can't argue against rings and proven clutch 4th quarter play. Mariota hasn't proven that yet.
Those Mariota/Winston NFL Network segments where both guys sat and talked with the panel was really striking. Winston just knows how to talk in public, it's the way he acts in private that's a question mark. Mariota seemed so quiet and reserved for a QB, it really did shock me.
I don't know if Eli's really ever been described as "reserved" though, except for maybe taking a back seat to Tiki initially. He might not show up his teammates ala Rivers, but he is definitely in command of the offense and has been since at least 2007.
And another sign of a leader is he always blames himself first and foremost for any screw-up (hi Randle!), taking heat off the other guys. Hell, if asked about the OL, he'd probably respond that he needs to get rid of the ball quicker! There are some other great QBs around the league that are quick to throw others under the bus.
I guarantee you he is highly, HIGHLY regarded and respected by his teammates, coaches, and the owner.
Michael Strahan even dedicated an entire segment of his HOF speach to him, and he only played with him for 3 years. What does that tell you?
I would prefer my QB be more vocal and fiery at times like Brady, but this is who Eli is and it works for him. That maybe why we don't play as well consistently at times cause we lack the fire from the leader?
Just think that sometimes players need that from the leader to get everyone playing at their highest level.
Simms is a good example of that as well, he was just more vocal and intense. You obviously have to be able to play well and be a leader off the field as well.
Defense still sucked.
Offense doesn't need fire and brimstone in the huddle. They need cool and calm when they're down 6 with two minutes left. They need their QB to keep the huddle calm, look them in the eye, and expect them to do their job. That's what Eli does. If you listen, really listen, to Eli's teammates talk about him, the say that's what the respect the MOST. His calmness in the huddle in the most intense situations, where he acts like it's the same as if it's a practice or preseason game, even if it's the final drive of the Superbowl.
I think Mariota will be okay. Eli was not only extremely quiet his first year, he could barely put a complete sentence together when speaking in public.
Peyton's teammates will respect Peyton.
Eli's teammates will LOVE Eli.
That's just one of a few quotes I've heard from him when describing the difference between Peyton and Eli (his quote about bringing them the wrong food is another one of my favorites).
The absolutely last thing a leader should be is a phony. Eli has never tried to be something or someone he's not. That probably carries more weight with his teammates than anything else.
Didn't know Chip went to visit Cruz in the hospital. That wins him a few points with me. Like two.