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CMicks3110 : 3/27/2015 10:38 am
I would make the case the Mets should keep Muno and Puello before Kirk and Campbell - Campbell has options, Puello does not. Puello, just two years ago had an epic season at Double-A and has as Collins called it "Tools that don't quit" - Niewenhuis might clear waivers, but it's clear him and den dekker are almost the exact same player so if Puello doesn't work out, we can still use MDD assuming Kirk is picked up on Waivers. I just think it's too much of a risk to give up on a prospect with his potential. He is at his lowest value right now, so why just give him away. Muno would provide a left handed batter off the bench (that kirk would have) since we have players that can already do what Campbell does defensively (PLAY 3B, 1B, OF - Cuddyer, Mayberry can do this), his job is redundant.

Thoughts?
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RE: Monell won the job  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2015 11:27 am : link
In comment 12206278 Shecky said:
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But how soon we forget the backlash the Mets received for not having a vet caddy for TDA. Not that Recker is a "vet", but he's been around the block, calls a good game and well respected. Be surprised if he were cut.


Shecky,
Rubin has Recker as the backup with no room for interpretation in his recent roster projection and he includes "insider" comments.

"Bench

Anthony Recker, C

Tejada, SS/2B

John Mayberry Jr., 1B/OF

Kirk Nieuwenhuis, OF

Eric Campbell, IF/OF

Analysis: The most vulnerable on this list is Campbell, although he still is more likely than not to make the team. Mets officials really like Muno because of his plate discipline and walk rate, so there is a chance -- albeit small -- that he would unseat Campbell, who already is on the 40-man roster. Part of Campbell's attractiveness has been that his versatility includes being able to play the outfield and first base. But with Mayberry and Nieuwenhuis backups in the outfield, and with Mayberry and Cuddyer able to play first base, Campbell's versatility is not vital now. Nieuwenhuis seemingly has beaten out Matt den Dekker anyway, but it helps that Nieuwenhuis also is out of options and would need to clear waivers to be sent to the minors."
Tejada's case goes beyond the numbers and his experience….  
No Where Man : 3/27/2015 11:28 am : link
The point here is that it's time for this team to eradicate all players from the ML Roster who possess a losing work ethic and mentality. Tejada is one of those players. We're talking about a backup middle infielder here. Those guys are a dime a dozen. Reynolds is the long term plan for a back up middle infielder. He's a "gamer", and so is Muno. Those are the types of players that this team has been lacking for years.
Dan  
Shecky : 3/27/2015 11:38 am : link
Probably would have been more clear if I said in my opinion Monell outplayed Recker and deserves to make the team. But. In my humble opinion, I can't see anyway they bring Monell up north.
Monell won the job, but Mets not likely to repeat last years mistake. Yes, I know irony. Recker is still the same guy he was last year. But no one ever said Mets higher ups are logical lol.
RE: Tejada's case goes beyond the numbers and his experience….  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2015 11:39 am : link
In comment 12206300 No Where Man said:
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The point here is that it's time for this team to eradicate all players from the ML Roster who possess a losing work ethic and mentality. Tejada is one of those players. We're talking about a backup middle infielder here. Those guys are a dime a dozen. Reynolds is the long term plan for a back up middle infielder. He's a "gamer", and so is Muno. Those are the types of players that this team has been lacking for years.


If that's the case they shouldn't have tendered him a contract. At this point it makes no sense to thin out a position where they have NOTHING with proven MLB ability. Literally nothing. Not even some crappy vet who you could go "worst case..."
RE: Dan  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2015 11:41 am : link
In comment 12206333 Shecky said:
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Probably would have been more clear if I said in my opinion Monell outplayed Recker and deserves to make the team. But. In my humble opinion, I can't see anyway they bring Monell up north.
Monell won the job, but Mets not likely to repeat last years mistake. Yes, I know irony. Recker is still the same guy he was last year. But no one ever said Mets higher ups are logical lol.

I think Recker's experience with the pitching staff/trust from Warthen meant his spot was secure regardless of his (or Monell's spring). Rubin didn't even mention Monell as a possibility and his roster projections are coming from discussions with team insiders which implies he's not even "in the mix", he flat out said Puello isn't in the mix to make the team. In fairness Puello hasn't exactly had an impressive spring either.
The  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2015 11:44 am : link
other thing with Tejada vs. Reynolds is if you really believe in Flores getting a shot. When exactly is Reynolds playing? You want Reynolds playing once a week? Or less?
The Jon Niese watch is on  
Headhunter : 3/27/2015 11:47 am : link
when you have to change your motion to avoid shoulder fatigue, the countdown to the DL begins
RE: The Jon Niese watch is on  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2015 11:48 am : link
In comment 12206355 Headhunter said:
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when you have to change your motion to avoid shoulder fatigue, the countdown to the DL begins


Acknowledged he felt pain this week too
One loud voice  
Shecky : 3/27/2015 11:48 am : link
Does not want Recker.
Recker is very dispensable obviously. And if everything goes well, Plaw would be the backup C in September for the stretch run anyway.
RE: RE: The Jon Niese watch is on  
Shecky : 3/27/2015 11:53 am : link
In comment 12206359 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 12206355 Headhunter said:


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when you have to change your motion to avoid shoulder fatigue, the countdown to the DL begins



Acknowledged he felt pain this week too


Much more concerning than him having shoulder pain, is him admitting it publicly.
RE: One loud voice  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2015 11:53 am : link
In comment 12206360 Shecky said:
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Does not want Recker.
Recker is very dispensable obviously. And if everything goes well, Plaw would be the backup C in September for the stretch run anyway.


I'm obviously not advocating for Recker just to be clear. He stinks outside of a few homers.
DMM, that's right, they should have never tendered him…...  
No Where Man : 3/27/2015 11:57 am : link
I couldn't understand it when they did. So now because we did, we're on the hook for $3.25M to a player that doesn't deserve that type of money, and as always, $ are the primary factor into a Mets personnel decisions. Muno has been in our Minor League system for 4 years and has made 55 errors in 1432 chances, playing 2B, 3B and SS. Tejada in 5 MLB seasons has made 38 errors in 1498 chances primarily all at SS. Not much of a difference there. Hitting wise Muno is better, and for shear hustle and hard work there is no comparison. A ground ball is a ground ball whether it be in MLB or in the Minor's. The MLB experience factor for Tejada is overrated. Plus, Jose Reyes basically confirmed to all of us about Tejada's lack of desire. Why would we want this "gold-brick" on our team?
It's safe to assume  
Shecky : 3/27/2015 11:57 am : link
Recker will make the trip up north.
Kirk is actually a good major leaguer.  
NyquistX3 : 3/27/2015 12:06 pm : link
Above average #s against RHP in his career and last year was significantly above average. He's a good corner defender, too.
Muno reminds me of  
Headhunter : 3/27/2015 12:13 pm : link
Wally Backman
Wait I missed all of this Neise stuff  
bhill410 : 3/27/2015 12:19 pm : link
What happened?
RE: Wait I missed all of this Neise stuff  
Shecky : 3/27/2015 12:24 pm : link
In comment 12206422 bhill410 said:
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What happened?


Nothing has happened (yet?). Niese came to camp feeling great for once. Publicly admitted after he threw last time he didn't feel right.
Niese has  
sshin05 : 3/27/2015 12:33 pm : link
admitted never feeling confident in his arm in 3 years until now, so I have to assume his delivery mechanics can alleviate some arm fatigue. He as however looked really good in spring training so here's to hoping he's right.
Well  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2015 12:35 pm : link
He admitted last bullpen his shoulder didn't feel right so that's a concern
RE: Kirk is actually a good major leaguer.  
Ira : 3/27/2015 12:35 pm : link
In comment 12206402 NyquistX3 said:
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Above average #s against RHP in his career and last year was significantly above average. He's a good corner defender, too.


And, in a pinch, you can use him in center.
Who has been catching  
pjcas18 : 3/27/2015 12:36 pm : link
Harvey in ST? Various catchers? TdA? Recker?

It seems these days there is one guy in the rotation who pitches to a different catcher to rest the starter.

Not sure if the Mets will do it that way, but sometimes these things sort themselves out.
One of the  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2015 12:42 pm : link
beat guys said there are some who prefer dumping Kirk for MDD as they feel MDD is a "better fit"
RE: Who has been catching  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2015 12:45 pm : link
In comment 12206461 pjcas18 said:
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Harvey in ST? Various catchers? TdA? Recker?

It seems these days there is one guy in the rotation who pitches to a different catcher to rest the starter.

Not sure if the Mets will do it that way, but sometimes these things sort themselves out.


Doesn't appear they have specifically paired Harvey with specific catchers in games. Maybe in bullpen sessions they have.
RE: The Jon Niese watch is on  
spike : 3/27/2015 12:51 pm : link
In comment 12206355 Headhunter said:
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when you have to change your motion to avoid shoulder fatigue, the countdown to the DL begins


Matz might be here sooner than we expected!
And this is why I'm not a weatherman...  
Shecky : 3/27/2015 12:53 pm : link
Raining now, unsure how this will affect harvey starting today or not.
RE: RE: Monell won the job  
Section331 : 3/27/2015 12:53 pm : link
In comment 12206295 DanMetroMan said:
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In fairness, TDA's defense was HORRENDOUS last year. How do we know his slow start/awful defense could not have been avoided/helped if they brought in a guy who had been a long term vet?


His defense wasn't good, but horrendous is a little strong. He was one of the better pitch framers in MLB last year. Stealing strikes has value.
RE: RE: RE: Monell won the job  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2015 12:54 pm : link
In comment 12206506 Section331 said:
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In comment 12206295 DanMetroMan said:


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In fairness, TDA's defense was HORRENDOUS last year. How do we know his slow start/awful defense could not have been avoided/helped if they brought in a guy who had been a long term vet?



His defense wasn't good, but horrendous is a little strong. He was one of the better pitch framers in MLB last year. Stealing strikes has value.


Worst defensive catcher in baseball in 2014 by most metrics.
By the numbers-  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2015 1:00 pm : link
18/18 in total defense amongst qualified catchers (0.7, next worst was Salty at 4.7)

18/18 in defensive runs saved -15 runs (2nd worst was Salty at -8)

Led baseball in passed balls (despite only 108 games played)

Throwing 19% CS, league average in 2014 was 28

I'm hopeful for 2015 but he was arguably the worst overall defensive catcher in the entire league for the 2014 season and if he wasn't worst he was close to it


BR has him worth negative 1.1 WAR defensively
RE: RE: RE: Monell won the job  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2015 1:09 pm : link
In comment 12206506 Section331 said:
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In comment 12206295 DanMetroMan said:


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In fairness, TDA's defense was HORRENDOUS last year. How do we know his slow start/awful defense could not have been avoided/helped if they brought in a guy who had been a long term vet?



His defense wasn't good, but horrendous is a little strong. He was one of the better pitch framers in MLB last year. Stealing strikes has value.


Geren actually said he was too focused on framing which hurt his ability in other areas.
Harper-  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2015 1:19 pm : link
PORT ST. LUCIE — Travis d’Arnaud seemed to solve his hitting problems last year, finishing strong after clearing his head at Triple-A Las Vegas. But the question that lingers, one potentially crucial to the Mets, is whether he can do the same with his defensive issues.

As a National League scout said recently, “If he’s not better than he was last year, he’s going to have to hit 30 home runs just to make up for his defense.”

If that sounds overstated, well, statistics back him up. While it’s worth noting that d’Arnaud ranks highly in pitch-framing, a valuable skill that gets calls from umpires on borderline pitches, he still finished last in the majors with minus-15 defensive runs saved.

The ranking was mostly a combination of poor throwing, as he nailed only 19% of base-stealers (14 of 72), and his total of 12 passed balls, the most in the majors — a regression that shocked the Mets.

“When he first came up (in 2013) he was outstanding catching and throwing for us,” Terry Collins said this past week. “Last year he had a little bit of a dip and we’ve got to get him back to where he was because he’s a big piece for us.

“He’s got great confidence in his offense after last year and we need him to have that confidence defensively. That’s what we'll be looking at this spring.”
More  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2015 1:21 pm : link
from the Harper piece


“I absolutely see a big difference from last year,” Collins said. “He’s been throwing great in every drill we’ve done.”

As for the passed balls, d’Arnaud improved over the second half of last season, in part because the Mets made him realize he was overdoing his pitch-framing technique, trying so hard at times to keep his glove in the strike zone on borderline pitches that catchable balls were glancing off the glove.

That and what d’Arnaud calls “a changed mind-set” about blocking balls helped him improve.

“A lot of it is understanding your pitchers and anticipating when a pitch needs to be blocked,” Geren said. “We have numbers on each guy. One of our pitchers last year, 22 percent of his curveballs were in the dirt. When you know that you know you have to be ready to block it.

“We’ve worked on blocking drills too, and Travis has come a long way this spring.”

Geren argues that even with d’Arnaud’s defensive issues last season, his pitch-framing ability — “I’ve never seen anybody catch the close low pitch as well as he does” — made him at least average overall behind the plate, no matter what the defensive rankings say.

The bottom line is that if d’Arnaud hits as he did in the second half last season, he’ll have value behind the plate. Just how much will depend on whether he improves his defense.
...  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2015 1:42 pm : link
AdamRubinESPN: Scout had Jeurys Familia at 97 mph last night, after having him top out at 94 mph in previous outings.
Scout noted that Jeurys Familia would have incurred less damage if Wilmer Flores had better range. Multiple grounders got thru infield.
RE: ...  
Metnut : 3/27/2015 1:49 pm : link
In comment 12206611 DanMetroMan said:
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AdamRubinESPN: Scout had Jeurys Familia at 97 mph last night, after having him top out at 94 mph in previous outings.
Scout noted that Jeurys Familia would have incurred less damage if Wilmer Flores had better range. Multiple grounders got thru infield.


I saw this too. Some good and bad in there. With the pen looking thin, nice to see Familia's velocity where it needs to be.

Obviously Flores struggling with range isn't a good thing, but if he can hit like we all think he can, he'll be able to make up for it. Hopefully the plan is for Reynolds to be the next guy in if things go south with Flores.
Speaking of Defense  
Shecky : 3/27/2015 2:14 pm : link
And the earlier subject of TDA. Harvey with nine straight if TDA could catch...
RE: Speaking of Defense  
Metnut : 3/27/2015 2:19 pm : link
In comment 12206672 Shecky said:
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And the earlier subject of TDA. Harvey with nine straight if TDA could catch...


To be fair, TDA ended the inning by throwing out Peter Bourjos while trying to steal second base.
RE: ...  
PhiPsi125 : 3/27/2015 2:21 pm : link
In comment 12206611 DanMetroMan said:
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AdamRubinESPN: Scout had Jeurys Familia at 97 mph last night, after having him top out at 94 mph in previous outings.
Scout noted that Jeurys Familia would have incurred less damage if Wilmer Flores had better range. Multiple grounders got thru infield.


Yeah, what team wouldnt want a SS that is a stud offensively AND defensively? I mean, those type of guys grow on trees, right?
RE: RE: Speaking of Defense  
Shecky : 3/27/2015 2:25 pm : link
In comment 12206687 Metnut said:
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In comment 12206672 Shecky said:


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And the earlier subject of TDA. Harvey with nine straight if TDA could catch...



To be fair, TDA ended the inning by throwing out Peter Bourjos while trying to steal second base.


Did he? Thanks, I missed that.
Lack of fundamentals  
Shecky : 3/27/2015 2:42 pm : link
Wright doesn't even look the runner back to second, he comes to third on the throw to first.

This is where I blame Collins. Pull him aside and let him know it isn't acceptable. Make an example of him tomorrow morning.
RE: Lack of fundamentals  
PhiPsi125 : 3/27/2015 3:00 pm : link
In comment 12206750 Shecky said:
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Wright doesn't even look the runner back to second, he comes to third on the throw to first.

This is where I blame Collins. Pull him aside and let him know it isn't acceptable. Make an example of him tomorrow morning.


Lol, yeah, make an example out of the captain for not looking back a runner in a spring training game. Good lord.
Phi  
Shecky : 3/27/2015 3:11 pm : link
You prefer Collins give them all trophies for an OK effort?
I think it's hard to tell how much Collins holds people accountable  
Eric on Li : 3/27/2015 3:16 pm : link
or not. But I will say it's certainly a question w/r/t the team's performance and if they blow games with the same fundamental mistakes we've seen over and over the past few years - terrible base running, allowing other teams to take the extra base, etc. - Collins needs to be gone with swiftness. He needs to have this team solidly in contention (3-5 games over .500) the entire season.
Fundamentals  
Shecky : 3/27/2015 3:38 pm : link
It's been a nice quiet relaxed spring. I know he feels he has the vets to take care of it. But what happens when Wright lets something slip? That's why I think it's the perfect time and situation for Colli s to send the right message at the right time. This is where a manager value comes in. Just my opinion.
I am amazed that Harvey has walked 1 batter in 18 plus innings  
Headhunter : 3/27/2015 3:42 pm : link
coming off of surgery. A power pitcher that doesn't walk anyone is a very nice combination
The pen  
Shecky : 3/27/2015 3:45 pm : link
What the hell has happened to these guys??
RE: Phi  
PhiPsi125 : 3/27/2015 3:56 pm : link
In comment 12206837 Shecky said:
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You prefer Collins give them all trophies for an OK effort?


No, smartass, but I do find it funny what some of you decide to pick and choose what to bitch about.

Maybe you are overreacting a little? Maybe a conversation with Wright about it would suffice? You know, they call that coaching. I don't see what making a huge deal and example out of your best player and CAPTAIN would accomplish. Especially in an exhibition game. Wright isnt exactly a chronic problem child. It would serve no purpose.
spring training guys  
sshin05 : 3/27/2015 4:09 pm : link
spring training
The 2015 Mets  
Shecky : 3/27/2015 4:13 pm : link
Are NOT good enough to ignore the little things. Winning teams usually don't. If spring training is the time to prepare for the season, the lull at this time is the perfect time to wake up the team. I'd do it on the ride back to PSL
you want to change the culture on this team? Then Collins should have  
PhiPsi125 : 3/27/2015 4:23 pm : link
been fired. Making a huge fuss about one play in spring training that their franchise player may have "just missed" would probably cause more damage than its worth. Collins hasnt treated his players like that in four years (IMO), starting now would be fruitless.

You want to make it a coachable experience...fine. But making a huge example about it would be just another laughable Mets moment. Pick your moments fella.
Huge laughable moment???  
Shecky : 3/27/2015 4:34 pm : link
First suggestion was pulling him aside.
Second was in the fairly private nature of a bus.

Perhaps we differ on what a laughable money is. Personally I don't consider either to be. I do know the players find it much more laughable when that's overlooked, but a Flores gets teamed for the exact same play. We differ in our desire for approaches, but agree on the idea that Collins is not the right guy for the job. So ultimately I think we agree more than we disagree.
Mets bitching about  
Rflairr : 3/27/2015 5:18 pm : link
paying Matusz's contract is a joke.
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