Same here. Although I can't really argue with those who favor Plax. They were both key. The gun incident leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth about Plax though - we had it going in '08 until that.
All better signings than Rolle. He's completely overrated player. That doesn't mean he wasn't a good player, he was. But he is so overrated by Giant fans.
He was consistently excellent for four years (including a championship), pretty good for two years, then crappy for one year when the Giants won a Super Bowl anyway. Burress was dynamic - though wildly erratic and unreliable - for parts of three years (including a championship), then blew himself up. It says something that when Reese extended Plax, he built in plenty of protection for the team. The Giants valued Burress, but they never trusted him.
Toomer actually put up slightly better numbers from 1999-2003 with Collins than Burress did during his peak years with Eli. There was more to Burress's tenure here than the last two games of the 2007-2008 postseason. A lot of it was bad, even before the shooting.
As for Pierce, I don't think he was ever the same after the high ankle sprain in 2005. Still an excellent signing, but not what he might have been.
Was not a good QB, so how can he be the best free agent for us, I never could stomach the guy. I would rate Mac, Plax, Pierce and Rolle all ahead of the dummy.
Plax was such a dominant physical force - just looked bigger and played big. OJ Anderson would be my second choice. Sean Landetta anyone? he came over from the USFL I think along with Bart Oates another free agent that need sot be in the discussion
Given the fact he was a UDFA and made very little money if you consider UDFA's he was as good or better signing than Plax, Pierce, McKenzie and others.
He was head and shoulders above what we had, but I think it's pretty funny fifteen years later I'm still saying on this board - we had the 5th rammed defense and Collins had an 83 QB rating, averaged less than 7ypa, and completed 58% of his passes. He was an important part and it was awesome how he revived his career, but lead the team is a phrase that always has bothered me. Nobody says dilfer lead the ravens. And saying he was best of all time, cmon!!! I hate plax for costing us at least one title, but clearly he was a huge part of our success especially in green bay.
the first of many horrible George Young choices. Reggie White should have been the pick. The Giants might have won 5 Super Bowls in the 80's if he was.
Same here. Although I can't really argue with those who favor Plax. They were both key. The gun incident leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth about Plax though - we had it going in '08 until that.
Collins
Rolle
Mackenzie
Pierce
He went to 3 pro-bowls as a Giant.
Pro-bowls are somewhat of a joke if you're measuring a player for the HOF or something, but still a good barometer of a good signing.
That's more than Plax, McKenzie, and Pierce combined.
Mckenzie was a great Giant but there's no comparison.
Plax
AP
Mckenzie
Collins
All better signings than Rolle. He's completely overrated player. That doesn't mean he wasn't a good player, he was. But he is so overrated by Giant fans.
Both had big games against GB (Plax bigger, but Pierce taking out 3 blockers on the screen pass was epic).
Toomer actually put up slightly better numbers from 1999-2003 with Collins than Burress did during his peak years with Eli. There was more to Burress's tenure here than the last two games of the 2007-2008 postseason. A lot of it was bad, even before the shooting.
As for Pierce, I don't think he was ever the same after the high ankle sprain in 2005. Still an excellent signing, but not what he might have been.
Who was the Giants worst free agent signing. Larry Csconka comes to mind first for me.
Minor point, but Tynes was a trade, not a free agent.
Was it Carthon? Or was it just the fact we had a decent full back?
Run with Power - ( New Window )
Plax was the best athlete yet OJ was the bull the offense rode behind.
MVP - ( New Window )
OJ was acquired via trade not a free agent. Giants gave up a 2nd round draft choice for him during the 86 season.
Bart Oates.
I think Cruz would be near the top of the list if he were considered.
I think Cruz would be near the top of the list if he were considered.
Cruz was mentioned.
Given the fact he was a UDFA and made very little money if you consider UDFA's he was as good or better signing than Plax, Pierce, McKenzie and others.
Agree
Wait who signed K. Mitchell off the scrap heap
M. Boley , rocky Bernard ?
Antrel Rolle ?
Oh it's that shitty 2 time Super Bowl team building an winning GM
Jerry Reese.
Wait who signed K. Mitchell off the scrap heap
M. Boley , rocky Bernard ?
Antrel Rolle ?
Oh it's that shitty 2 time Super Bowl team building an winning GM
Jerry Reese.
Ernie Accorsi signed Pierce, Plax, and McKenzie