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Eli Manning vs. Philip Rivers:

ZogZerg : 3/27/2015 8:01 pm
Which quarterback will be better in 2015?

A couple of Eli haters at NFL.com I love how they make excuses for Rivers for last year. No one has done that for Eli that last few years when he's been playing without an OL.

But, Eli also gets a lot of love.


Eli Manning vs. Philip Rivers: - ( New Window )
Eli has Beckham Rivers doesn't  
Headhunter : 3/27/2015 8:02 pm : link
end of story
My favorite NFL Top 10 is about Draft Trades  
Ben in Tampa : 3/27/2015 8:05 pm : link
Probably filmed in 05 or 06, and the endless parade of beat writers who shit all over the Giants from the Eli/Rivers trade is hilarious. They actually splice in an update from the narrator to save face.

Anyways, I actually think Rivers will play out of his mind this year and then hit FA looking for the mega deal somewhere else.
Predicition  
dep026 : 3/27/2015 8:10 pm : link
Rivers will be a MVP candidate after the first 6 weeks of the season then falter down the stretch. This has been going on for about 8 straight years.

Eli will put up similar numbers by the end of the year and people around the league will say he is overrated.
RE: Predicition  
SoDev : 3/27/2015 8:15 pm : link
In comment 12207295 dep026 said:
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Rivers will be a MVP candidate after the first 6 weeks of the season then falter down the stretch. This has been going on for about 8 straight years.

Eli will put up similar numbers by the end of the year and people around the league will say he is overrated.


And Giants go on to win the Superbowl. The end.
Ha, this again?  
Britt in VA : 3/27/2015 8:27 pm : link
Unless Phillip Rivers pulls a miracle final act, and takes his team to the promised land (twice), this one's a wrap.
and the dumb asses still chime in with Rivers  
SHO'NUFF : 3/27/2015 9:07 pm : link
"Rivers is the better QB...and it's not even close."? Sometimes I wonder what league they're watching. It's obvious, Eli's individual stats have been hampered by the complicated Gilbride offense and receivers that couldn't grasp it...now 1 year into the Benny Mac offense, Eli has posted some of his best season stats after his 10th overall year in the league. The biggest difference is his receivers are not confused and running good routes.
Rivers is a good regular QB  
spike : 3/27/2015 9:14 pm : link
just not so good in the postseason when it counts. 2013 was probably his best chance, when his team finished the season red hot and into the playoffs. They then beat the Bengals in the first round, but last to the Broncos by a touchdown in the divisional round.
How about we keep our guy healthy for the next 5 years  
arniefez : 3/27/2015 9:43 pm : link
surround him with more players at other positions that are his equal and take our chances of him winning his 3rd Super Bowl. You can keep the other 31 QB's. We'll keep our guy.
This is no debate  
NYG07 : 3/27/2015 10:48 pm : link
Rivers dumps the ball off to the the RB frequently to up his completion percentage. Rivers will never win a superbowl with that mentality.

Eli - two rings
Rivers - zero rings

This is not a debate.
RE: Rivers is a good regular QB  
bradshaw44 : 3/27/2015 10:54 pm : link
In comment 12207338 spike said:
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just not so good in the postseason when it counts. 2013 was probably his best chance, when his team finished the season red hot and into the playoffs. They then beat the Bengals in the first round, but last to the Broncos by a touchdown in the divisional round.


Nah, his best shot was 07/08. If his knee wasn't jacked up in the championship versus the Pats, I think SD wins that game.
My favorite comment in this whole debate....  
CBSGameFace : 3/27/2015 11:15 pm : link
came from that NFL Network "Draft Day trade' show where some asshole from a San Diego rag said that Roman Oben helped shore up SD's line for a entire 'year and a half' and that that was one of the determining factors in making this trade equal.

Roman Fucking Oben, dudes!!!! You really can't make this shit up....

who gives a crap  
blueblood : 3/27/2015 11:20 pm : link
really..
Heath Evans still hasn't gotten over Super Bowl 42.  
Klaatu : 3/27/2015 11:27 pm : link
And I hope he never will.
RE: This is no debate  
montanagiant : 3/27/2015 11:50 pm : link
In comment 12207422 NYG07 said:
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Rivers dumps the ball off to the the RB frequently to up his completion percentage. Rivers will never win a superbowl with that mentality.

Eli - two rings
Rivers - zero rings

This is not a debate.

Absolutely, why this is even up for discussion when Rivers arguably had better talent for much of their careers, and yet never won a thing
Eli has a better team around him, the Chargers will be no better than  
213374 : 12:48 am : link
6 - 10.
Giants will win  
charlito : 1:15 am : link
The Superbowl this year because they win every 4 years. Weeeeeee!
no debate  
OBJ_AllDay : 1:15 am : link
eli by a mile... not even worth arguing why as many have already pointed it out... lot of rivers supporters pointing to the stats they choose also fail to compare that 70 and sunny year round san diego weather with NY/NFC east weather...
But it is a debate for non giants fans (and some giants fans)  
Gmen1982 : 8:42 am : link
Eli is more clutch but may not be better. People get their panties in a bundle whenever its questioned. Who cares? Its better discussion than a mock draft
Giants don't win either SB 42 or 46 with Rivers  
Maximus, Esq. : 8:46 am : link
He's a good QB, but I just don't see him taking Giants down the field in the final drive(s) to win either game. Eli's clutch factor is unmeasurable and there's no comparison in my mind.
Can't say better and mean stats  
mrvax : 8:46 am : link
Stats: Rivers > Eli
Gameday: Eli > Rivers

Is the question actually who will have better stats in 2015? If so, Eli may surpass Rivers for a change because of the quicker offense and Beckham. If this was still Gilbride's offense, then I'd guess Rivers again.
Saying eli by a mile is asinine  
Gmen1982 : 9:37 am : link
Theres aspects that each are better at than the other. We cant assume rivers would lose those superbowls just like people cant assume rivers would win more rings than eli with roles reversed.
Eli Manning  
rocco8112 : 10:13 am : link
is the only QB during the Super Bowl era to lead his team on a championship winning final drive when only a TD would do. This feat has not been matched yet (although there have been two recent close calls) and he did this against the "best team of all time".

To any other QB playing today this would be the defining moment of their career. Funny thing with Eli is he has a second championship winning final drive. Granted this time a FG would have done the job, but he has done the greatest feat a QB can accomplish twice. This is why anyone who claims that someone Eli road the coattails of the defense (a silly notion), or somehow won a fluke title, is wrong. Eli has stared down the best and won, more than once. Few, if any, of his contemporaries can say that.

The idea that Rivers would swap in and have done the same is ridiculous. The above means that Eli takes a second seat to none of his peers playing today. His accomplishments simply beat theirs. Rivers is a nice QB, and it is interesting how all of the big three from '04 have had great careers, but Rivers is no Eli.
rocco,  
Gmen1982 : 11:10 am : link
I agree with what you said about Eli and he is one of the most clutch QBs in NFL history. But does that mean best? His inconsistencies and bonehead plays are what many non-giants fans think about him first. Not two game winning drives on the biggest stage. DO you judge someone on their highlights or their whole career?
I think an underrated point in the whole  
Eli, Big Ben, Rivers debate is character & personality. Roethlisberger would be serving a prison term on Rikers Island right now if we had drafted him. Rivers, a total hothead, would have clashed with the media.

Eli is THE perfect athlete for NY.
Eli's  
rocco8112 : 12:13 pm : link
career stands up with anyone now. It is borderline hall of fame worthy. His highlights are just higher than just about anyone's.

As far as the bonehead plays I am of the opinion that is blown way out of proportion. Eli is a gunslinger. He always thinks he can make the throw. He abhors taking a sack. Now, should he temper this a bit, probably, but it is who he is.

This "flaw" is also his greatest strength. The Tyree play, certanly Manningham play do not happen without this mentality.

Guy is also perhaps the toughtest QB in the league. Let me know when big bro , Rodgers, Rivers or damn near anyone else in the league takes a beating like he did in the '11 conference title game. Eli aired it out 50 plus times in that game and got pounded. He kept coming back for more. He is like a weeble-wobble, you can hit him but he will not stay down. In fact that game would likely be almost all QB's signature moment, for Eli it was another day at the office.

Finally for me it is about the great moments. The victories and high moments are a main reason why I watch and a sports "hero", for lack of a better word, is someone who comes through when the chips are down. Eli is the king of that and he has very little competition in that regard. I personally could care less about some QB hanging six TD's on a hapless Raider team in week 10. I also could give a rat's ass about passer rating or leading the league in a statistical category. It is the big moments, the immortal accomplishments, that matter.

Eli has the career performance an consistency to back up his big moments.

It still amazes me that people get  
Gman11 : 4:32 pm : link
all worked up over articles like this. It's worse than mock drafts. It means nothing. Just because some schmoe thinks Rivers is better has no bearing on what's going to happen during the season.

Those guys have their opinions. I don't agree with them. OK. Move on.

If it makes you feel any better notice that the two guys that were former NFL GMs both selected Eli. Who the hell are the other guys? A bunch of schmoes.
RE: Ha, this again?  
AnishPatel : 3/29/2015 6:04 pm : link
In comment 12207308 Britt in VA said:
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Unless Phillip Rivers pulls a miracle final act, and takes his team to the promised land (twice), this one's a wrap.


You would think so, but reading some of those things by the guys who work for NFL.com and you would think Eli is the worst QB of the bunch.
Who gives a fuck about 2015?  
short lease : 3/29/2015 8:17 pm : link
Eli Manning = 2 superbowl MVP (championships) .... Philip Rivers = 0


I am thinking we got the better deal? .... just sayin'
Exactly.  
Britt in VA : 3/29/2015 9:17 pm : link
In what world do the Giants not make that trade, 10/10 times, even given hindsight?
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