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NFT: Barnes out Texas Basketball Coach

rdt288 : 9:56 pm
17 seasons
That's some gig for somebody now
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Never seen  
Rflairr : 10:27 pm : link
a guy do so little with the talent he gets.

They should have already offered this job to Smart
Smart  
MookGiants : 10:29 pm : link
has turne down better gigs than this.
Maybe better gigs, but they will....  
Crispino : 10:45 pm : link
be able to throw more money at him than anyone has before, if they really want him.
I don't think  
MookGiants : 10:46 pm : link
money is the reason he turned down the other gigs.

He's waiting for a blue blood job or Wisconsin.
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Jon in NYC : 10:49 pm : link
In comment 12208557 MookGiants said:
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money is the reason he turned down the other gigs.

He's waiting for a blue blood job or Wisconsin.


You mean a blue blood job like Wisconsin.
Well let's see  
DG : 11:28 pm : link
Number 1 in AD revenue, one of the top states in HS talent,..yahoo says that Smart wants the job, a chance to build on what previous coaches have generated without weighty expectations..we will see..no reason a new hire can't replicate Florida's success.
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dpinzow : 11:40 pm : link
In comment 12208524 MookGiants said:
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has turne down better gigs than this.


But Texas still has silly money and can back up that Brinks truck, and he could build a powerhouse as it's a good place to recruit
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MookGiants : 11:42 pm : link
In comment 12208677 dpinzow said:
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has turne down better gigs than this.



But Texas still has silly money and can back up that Brinks truck, and he could build a powerhouse as it's a good place to recruit


A lot of programs can back up the Brinks truck, and ones that can have offered and he's turned it down.

Maybe this time around will be a different. But I have a hard time believing he was going to pass up the previous jobs and then take a job at a football school. Some of the blue bloods like Carolina will have their job open up in the next 5 years.
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dpinzow : 11:44 pm : link
In comment 12208679 MookGiants said:
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has turne down better gigs than this.



But Texas still has silly money and can back up that Brinks truck, and he could build a powerhouse as it's a good place to recruit



A lot of programs can back up the Brinks truck, and ones that can have offered and he's turned it down.

Maybe this time around will be a different. But I have a hard time believing he was going to pass up the previous jobs and then take a job at a football school. Some of the blue bloods like Carolina will have their job open up in the next 5 years.


I wouldn't downplay Texas' ability to be a basketball powerhouse. Barnes was an inept in-game coach but he did get talent like Durant and Aldridge to go there. A good coach at Texas could produce a perennial Top 15 team and a national championship contender
Texas is a good job  
Rflairr : 11:46 pm : link
If they offer Smart he won't turn it down. They land a lot of highly rated talent. NBA talent. And are in a very good conference. Not to mention you get to live in Austin and make a ton of money
why  
MookGiants : 11:47 pm : link
are they now going to be a basketball powerhouse? Money does not equal powerhouse. And they still will lose recruiting battles in state to teams like Kansas, Kentucky, UNC, Duke
and Durant  
MookGiants : 11:48 pm : link
only went to Texas because he oddly enough didn't qualify to get into UNC. Most of the top talent in that state goes elsewhere. Durant desperately wanted to play with Lawson. His mom apparently cried her eyes out when they were told UNC couldn't take him.
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dpinzow : 11:49 pm : link
In comment 12208688 MookGiants said:
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are they now going to be a basketball powerhouse? Money does not equal powerhouse. And they still will lose recruiting battles in state to teams like Kansas, Kentucky, UNC, Duke


They'll win enough of their share with a guy like Shaka Smart and be a very formidable contender. Barnes was inept and he got NBA players to go there, so Texas will not be short of talent
no matter what he does  
MookGiants : 11:52 pm : link
they will always play second fiddle to Kansas.

As I said, maybe this one will be different, but based on the decisions he's made in the past, it wouldn't make much sense to jump at the Texas job. He turned down UCLA. And that's a better basketball job than Texas.
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dpinzow : 11:59 pm : link
In comment 12208693 MookGiants said:
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they will always play second fiddle to Kansas.

As I said, maybe this one will be different, but based on the decisions he's made in the past, it wouldn't make much sense to jump at the Texas job. He turned down UCLA. And that's a better basketball job than Texas.


UCLA on paper is better but the problem with them is they want every head coach to be the next Wooden so their expectations are insane. Ben Howland got them to three straight Final Fours and got fired after a couple of down seasons. The Howland situation drove a lot of good candidates away. UCLA can be a death trap if you don't win a national championship quickly
Howland  
MookGiants : 3/29/2015 12:00 am : link
deserved to be fired. And all you need to know about the Howland situation is that not one big program ever came after him after that. That speaks volumes.
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dpinzow : 3/29/2015 12:06 am : link
In comment 12208702 MookGiants said:
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deserved to be fired. And all you need to know about the Howland situation is that not one big program ever came after him after that. That speaks volumes.


The best that UCLA could do was Steve Alford after Howland got fired, which tells you that the best up-and-coming coaches like Shaka weren't thrilled with the expectations there when compared to the real situation UCLA faces. Like I said, UCLA is as good a job as there is in college hoops on paper but their administration and boosters are insane. You have to be in the Final Four or at worst the Elite 8 every year otherwise there are questions about your job security. If you don't win a NC within 4 years there that job becomes a death trap
Howland  
MookGiants : 3/29/2015 12:08 am : link
had 4 mediocre to bad years in a row. And the last two years were an absolute mess off the court as well.

He under no circumstances deserved to keep his job. The lack of interest afterwards means other schools agreed. He finally got the Mississippi State job, which is one of the worst major d1 jobs in the country.
dpinzow  
MookGiants : 3/29/2015 12:09 am : link
how many bad years was Howland allowed to have? He never won a title. He doesn't get a lifetime pass because of a few final fours. Look at how it ended there too with all of the off the court stuff, how could anyone in their right mind make an argument to keep him?
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dpinzow : 3/29/2015 12:17 am : link
In comment 12208708 MookGiants said:
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how many bad years was Howland allowed to have? He never won a title. He doesn't get a lifetime pass because of a few final fours. Look at how it ended there too with all of the off the court stuff, how could anyone in their right mind make an argument to keep him?


But then why was UCLA left with Steve Alford instead of a really good coach if the job was supposed to be blue blood and top of the line? They should get their pick of the litter, not Steve Alford, no matter how badly Howland might have done at the end.

Texas is a really good job because they're surprisingly patient as well as an untapped powerhouse with the right guy. Rick Barnes got 17 years! Before him, Tom Penders got 10 years. It's excellent job security and if you ever cut the nets down there you will be God
UCLA  
MookGiants : 3/29/2015 12:20 am : link
is not a blue blood top of the line job anymore

But it's still better than Texas.

I think Texas gets Marshall.
Good riddance to Barnes  
Bake54 : 3/29/2015 9:29 am : link
Can't stand the guy. He has an enormous talent base to pull from in the state of Texas and he squanders all of it. And hello to Gregg Marshall - whoever said he was going to be the next Texas coach - that would be a great hire for that school.
Apparently may end up with Tennessee  
jeff57 : 3/29/2015 10:34 am : link
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Don't see it  
Greg from LI : 3/29/2015 10:59 am : link
Shaka isn't going somewhere where he and his program are going to be an afterthought. Texas is always going to be about football first and foremost. if he does leave VCU at some point, it will be for a blue blood where basketball is king.
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bw in dc : 3/29/2015 1:47 pm : link
In comment 12208952 Greg from LI said:
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Shaka isn't going somewhere where he and his program are going to be an afterthought. Texas is always going to be about football first and foremost. if he does leave VCU at some point, it will be for a blue blood where basketball is king.


Agreed. I could see Chaka looking at an Indiana-type program if available.

I'm not a Barnes guy. However, I actually thought he did a pretty respectable job at TX. But 17 years at one place in college sports is a lifetime, especially these days, so I could see an interest in new blood.
Don't under estimate the recruiting power of UT here in Texas  
PatersonPlank : 3/29/2015 2:11 pm : link
For football they get their pick of the litter, which is why their fall was even more rediculous. Strong will have them turned around in no time. Basketball, while granted not as strong as football, is still above any Texas school, OK, and most others. Its a really good job. Plus Austin kicks ass to live in.
What makes anybody think Shaka...  
Britt in VA : 3/29/2015 2:31 pm : link
wants to leave VCU?

For money? He's foregone money several times previously when his contract extensions came up. The first time was to get more money to keep his assistants. The next was to get first class travel accomodations for the team, most recently, it was an agreement to get a new 25 million dollar basketball facility built (which opens this fall).

The recruits are coming in. Three top 100 this past year, three top 100 this year. We're getting good, talented recruits. Secondly, for Shaka's Havoc System to work, you've got to be willing to play in a constant rotation. Bench guys often get equal, or more minutes than "starters". It's not unusual for 11 or 12 players to play within the first 10 minutes of a game. Are high level recruits' egos able to handle that? As a matter of fact, some of our better players in the past have been guys who've wanted to transfer here because they were riding the pine at some of the bigger programs.

Finally, he's a small school guy. Maybe his plan is to give a small school like VCU everything he always wanted for himself as a small school player/coach. We've been to 5 straight NCAA's, a Virginia Basketball Record. We have a ravenous fan base. We're getting big games on the schedule. We're invited to tournaments with Duke and everybody else. The future is bright at VCU for Smart.

I know it's rare, but maybe he doesn't want to leave all that. And then of course, there's this:

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MookGiants : 3/29/2015 3:08 pm : link
never going to have much of a shot to win a national title at VCU. That's why he will eventually leave.
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Britt in VA : 3/29/2015 3:57 pm : link
In comment 12209180 MookGiants said:
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never going to have much of a shot to win a national title at VCU. That's why he will eventually leave.


Yeah, I agree with that mostly, although he's gotten pretty damn close. One of these days, a "mid major" is going to win it, though, and his program out of that field has a good a shot as any, IMO.

I also agree with you that it's a very, very select few jobs that he'll eventually leave for. Like you, I don't believe Texas to be one of them.

I know nothing lasts forever.
sounds like  
MookGiants : 4/1/2015 10:10 pm : link
he is actually going to take the Texas job.
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