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Pauline: NYG believed to have a lot of interest in Gregory

Anakim : 3/28/2015 11:23 pm
The Pittsburgh Steelers and San Diego Chargers have booked Nebraska edge player Randy Gregory for visits, reports TFY Draft Insider's Tony Pauline.
"The belief is both New York teams, the Jets and Giants, also have a lot of interest in Gregory, though I've not confirmed a visit with him from either squad," the analyst reported. He previously reported that Gregory has private workouts scheduled with the Washington Redskins, Atlanta Falcons and Oakland Raiders over the next week. Gregory weighed in at 243 pounds and hoisted up 26 reps on the bench. He posted a 1.56 second 10-yard split on his 4.53 seconds forty.



Hard to imagine that the failed drug test didn't perturb Coughlin and Reese since they mostly go after the model citizen/leader. Even so, are they willing to bank on Gregory building the mass to become a three-down DE instead of a situational pass rusher?
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RE: If the GMen just kicked Will Hill to the curb...  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/29/2015 1:10 am : link
In comment 12208695 CBSGameFace said:
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....Gregory would have to be LT to get drafted here. No way that is happening.

He is also light in the pants and, if I read the article correctly, he seems to always have an excuse for whatever ills him.

I stopped smoking in December, but there were still metabolites in my system???

Yeah, OK...


I agree. It dosn't matter what we think of NFL policy, the policy is what it is. I would prefer to see the NFL step back from things like weed and move heavier into PHD's, but when you invest in a player you don't have the luxury of pondering on how you think things should work, you have to deal with how they do in the real world.

Interest in the player is fine, they should do their diligence like I'm sure they will. They should probably talk to the young man if in fact they have that interest and see if there is something in him that realizes that he is about to enter the adult real life world. But in the end, given what they went through with Hill, do they want to roll that dice with a top pick..........even a second round if he falls to us there, which he very well might given the NFL climate?
RE: RE: If the GMen just kicked Will Hill to the curb...  
CBSGameFace : 3/29/2015 1:50 am : link
In comment 12208720 Sneakers O'toole said:
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In comment 12208695 CBSGameFace said:


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....Gregory would have to be LT to get drafted here. No way that is happening.

He is also light in the pants and, if I read the article correctly, he seems to always have an excuse for whatever ills him.

I stopped smoking in December, but there were still metabolites in my system???

Yeah, OK...



I agree. It dosn't matter what we think of NFL policy, the policy is what it is. I would prefer to see the NFL step back from things like weed and move heavier into PHD's, but when you invest in a player you don't have the luxury of pondering on how you think things should work, you have to deal with how they do in the real world.

Interest in the player is fine, they should do their diligence like I'm sure they will. They should probably talk to the young man if in fact they have that interest and see if there is something in him that realizes that he is about to enter the adult real life world. But in the end, given what they went through with Hill, do they want to roll that dice with a top pick..........even a second round if he falls to us there, which he very well might given the NFL climate?


This.....+1
Adding to what Sneakers and CBS said...  
manh george : 3/29/2015 2:43 am : link
I really don't care about the NFL rule. What I care about is the lack of willpower a player has to show in order to get caught three times doing something he knows the NFL has a problem with.

What, pot is so important that he is willing to risk $millions in order to smoke it?

The lack of maturity that shows is appalling.
RE: RE: pot isn't his problem  
CBSGameFace : 3/29/2015 3:59 am : link
In comment 12208692 section125 said:
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In comment 12208684 NHGiant 68 said:


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his problem is the mindless NFL policy on pot. no one would or should care if he likes lighting up, as long as he produces on the field. what makes him undraftable at #9 is the fact that he faces increasingly long suspensions if/when he's caught again. Get rid of that stupid policy and it's a non-issue. Until then, it's a huge issue.



Geezus, not again. They should do away with the HGH and Steroid restrictions, too.


Fuck it, right? Let's make it a complete freakshow and have them do blast of coke and meth on the sideline right before kickoffs.

Or, my other idea which is to pay everyone $100,000 a year and the SuperBowl winner gets all the remaining contract money to split amongst themselves. Kind of my boxing theory, also.
RE: Adding to what Sneakers and CBS said...  
CBSGameFace : 3/29/2015 4:01 am : link
In comment 12208737 manh george said:
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I really don't care about the NFL rule. What I care about is the lack of willpower a player has to show in order to get caught three times doing something he knows the NFL has a problem with.

What, pot is so important that he is willing to risk $millions in order to smoke it?

The lack of maturity that shows is appalling.


Beah, heah!!!
Hopefully he is off the Giants board...........  
Dry Lightning : 3/29/2015 5:21 am : link
This guy is not a casual user, he is a big-time pothead according to his "explanation" of why he tested positive. Putting that in with the fact that he is way to light to play end, and much to big for LB, he is the type of tweener that has a high bust capacity. No way can you play the run with that build. Guys like Beasley and Ray could make the transition to LB, but not a guy 6-5. Hope we pass.
I did not want him before the pot issue  
George from PA : 3/29/2015 5:32 am : link
He is a tweener at best.........disappears and has limited moves. Pass.

I wish he was selected before us.......now, that won't happen......so we basicly dropped down a slot.
Is it possible  
Rjanyg : 3/29/2015 7:32 am : link
That this interest is just a smoke screen? I don't doubt Reese will do his due diligence, but I seriously doubt we are drafting a player with questionable fit and a drug issue.
Lousy drafts helped get us to 6-10. The cure: risk avoidance.  
Marty in Albany : 3/29/2015 7:44 am : link
Maybe not even in round 2 or 3.
I think that interest went up in smoke.  
jeff57 : 3/29/2015 7:49 am : link
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I kinda  
Glover : 3/29/2015 8:10 am : link
missed the fact that Gregory is 6'6". That allows him to add weight. He is the best pass rusher in the draft, I would be happy if the Giants could land him. Yes the failed drug test is a red flag, especially after the Will Hill situation, but I will leave it up to the Giants to evaluate his risk level. If they pass him, Im happy with him on the team.
I would guess that there is one thing that is almost certain  
SLIMC : 3/29/2015 8:19 am : link
With his pot history, if the Giants have any interest at all they will bring him in for an interview. The Giants have drafted 1st round picks without interviews if they are completely clean. Gregory doesn't fit that profile.

And this is going off on a tangent  
Glover : 3/29/2015 8:20 am : link
but it just sounds ridiculous to me that a 22-23 year old college kid who tested positive for marijuana has a "drug issue" or a "drug problem". And I also get it, these prospects along with NFL players know when these tests are and they should be able to go a month without getting high, but its the same as in the rest of society. Its a waste of time, money and human potential suspending these players for smoking pot (or even more ridiculously, for drinking, something that is perfectly legal for adults to do, in Josh Gordon's case) just like it is a waste of taxpayer dollars to arrest, try, and send people to jail for marijuana possession. Its just a matter of time before the country figures out that people like smoking weed, it is less harmful than alcohol and opioid use, and opinion has already started to swing in favor of legalization or decriminalization. The NFL needs to get with that trend and stop testing for marijuana use.
RE: And this is going off on a tangent  
section125 : 3/29/2015 8:45 am : link
In comment 12208786 Glover said:
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but it just sounds ridiculous to me that a 22-23 year old college kid who tested positive for marijuana has a "drug issue" or a "drug problem". And I also get it, these prospects along with NFL players know when these tests are and they should be able to go a month without getting high, but its the same as in the rest of society. Its a waste of time, money and human potential suspending these players for smoking pot (or even more ridiculously, for drinking, something that is perfectly legal for adults to do, in Josh Gordon's case) just like it is a waste of taxpayer dollars to arrest, try, and send people to jail for marijuana possession. Its just a matter of time before the country figures out that people like smoking weed, it is less harmful than alcohol and opioid use, and opinion has already started to swing in favor of legalization or decriminalization. The NFL needs to get with that trend and stop testing for marijuana use.


I would say that a person that cannot stop smoking long enough to pass the NFL drug test and cost himself several million dollars has a drug problem. That he says he smoked so much that it was residual from December is an indication that he has a problem (but pot does not last that long in the body - only 3 to 4 weeks).
There are lots of laws we do not like, but they are still laws until repealed.
I don't see any way  
mrvax : 3/29/2015 8:59 am : link
the Giants pick him at #9. Even w/o the pot history.
Giants have a bit of a history surprising this way  
ColHowPepper : 3/29/2015 9:11 am : link
Christian Peter, Ahmad, Will Hill. Clearly, the specifics of Gregory's case give pause in a different, perhaps more troubling way and may set him apart from the three players. Can interviews and a written evaluation assuage these concerns enough to put them aside at #9? He's not been accused of violent crimes, hate crimes, or domestic abuse. He's a recreational (ha ha) user of pot, I guess he loves his weed.

Some strong voices here reject his selection out of hand because he was just stupid enough to forfeit millions because his draft position just sank. Immaturity, quite likely; head case? Speculation. He won't be there at #40. I hadn't been aware of questions as to his ability such as George in Pa raised.

The question is divisive here and might be so in the FO. Odds are the Giants will pass if he's there, but it is a position of distinct need and he has been rated highly. Will Hill was a serial abuser of trust in his maturity even before the Giants signed him and that didn't stop them, so maybe his case is the linchpin.

good post Sneakers
I think the Jets...  
Strip-Sack : 3/29/2015 9:15 am : link
Washington or Atlanta could take him before the Giants but I would have no problem if he's the pick at 9 as that would mean the Giants are comfortable with him and that's cool by me. After WH, I would have zero doubt that the Giants turned over every stone to see if it's just a kid smoking weed or something to really be concerned with.

Gilbride was asked about the situation on PFF the other night and basically brushed it off saying it's not something he does or necessarily condones but he's grown to understand that a lot of players do it now and look at it just like taking a drink so he understands and didn't think it would be that much of a problem as long as everything else checks out.
They were hard on Ahmad Bradshaw  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/29/2015 9:28 am : link
He was on notice the moment they drafted him. But he was able to turn himself into a model citizen.

Hill, despite multiple chances and a team effort to support him, couldn't or didn't want to.

It all depends on what they see in Gregory.

But, at pick 9, they're going to be a whole lot more discerning than spending a 7th on Ahmad.
RE: They were hard on Ahmad Bradshaw  
section125 : 3/29/2015 9:32 am : link
In comment 12208845 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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But, at pick 9, they're going to be a whole lot more discerning than spending a 7th on Ahmad.


Bingo....
I don't think...  
Strip-Sack : 3/29/2015 9:40 am : link
there's any way this kid drops out of the top 15...let alone the first round. I've read some think he's the best pure pass rusher in this draft. I Believe it was Kim Jones but don't remember...anyway, the reporter said he wanted to get out in front of the story and talked about his weed smoking in all the combine interviews even bringing it up first if the team didn't as he wanted to be upfront about it.
RE: Giants have a bit of a history surprising this way  
blueblood : 3/29/2015 9:49 am : link
In comment 12208822 ColHowPepper said:
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Christian Peter, Ahmad, Will Hill.


Undrafted Free Agent
7th round pick
Udrafted Free Agent...


NOT #9 overall..
The issue is not pot, but intelligence  
jeff57 : 3/29/2015 9:53 am : link
Or lack of it. You know you're going to be tested with everyone watching and you couldn't take a few days off?
RE: RE: Giants have a bit of a history surprising this way  
Strip-Sack : 3/29/2015 9:56 am : link
In comment 12208873 blueblood said:
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In comment 12208822 ColHowPepper said:


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Christian Peter, Ahmad, Will Hill.



Undrafted Free Agent
7th round pick
Udrafted Free Agent...


NOT #9 overall..


While I understand the point, none of those players was as highly ranked in THEIR draft class as this kid...when you factor in the lack of blue chip talent in this particular draft along with the NFL relaxing weed penalties a bit, it presents a different scenario.
His potential is through the roof  
giantBCP : 3/29/2015 10:04 am : link
I'd love him at 9. Aside from the failed drug test, he seems like a Jerry Reese type of pick.
RE: I don't think...  
BlueLou : 3/29/2015 10:04 am : link
In comment 12208862 Strip-Sack said:
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there's any way this kid drops out of the top 15...let alone the first round. I've read some think he's the best pure pass rusher in this draft. I Believe it was Kim Jones but don't remember...anyway, the reporter said he wanted to get out in front of the story and talked about his weed smoking in all the combine interviews even bringing it up first if the team didn't as he wanted to be upfront about it.


3rd time failed pot test? I bet he's dropped out of the first round completely...
RE: pot isn't his problem  
KeoweeFan : 3/29/2015 10:05 am : link
In comment 12208684 NHGiant 68 said:
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his problem is the mindless NFL policy on pot. no one would or should care if he likes lighting up, as long as he produces on the field. what makes him undraftable at #9 is the fact that he faces increasingly long suspensions if/when he's caught again. Get rid of that stupid policy and it's a non-issue. Until then, it's a huge issue.

You are missing the point. If the NFL had a policy of not wearing red socks, and despite knowing it would cost you millions in the draft, you wore red socks anyway!!! After being caught and punished several times in college for a red sock violation!?! A fellow like that does not have much self discipline and also may be a few crayons short of a full box.
(Eh, being 5 minutes early for a meeting doesn't make much sense to me; I'll just arrive on the dot.)
RE: I don't think...  
BlueLou : 3/29/2015 10:05 am : link
In comment 12208862 Strip-Sack said:
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there's any way this kid drops out of the top 15...let alone the first round. I've read some think he's the best pure pass rusher in this draft. I Believe it was Kim Jones but don't remember...anyway, the reporter said he wanted to get out in front of the story and talked about his weed smoking in all the combine interviews even bringing it up first if the team didn't as he wanted to be upfront about it.


3rd time failed pot test? I bet he's dropped out of the first round completely...
RE: RE: I don't think...  
Strip-Sack : 3/29/2015 10:09 am : link
In comment 12208890 BlueLou said:
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In comment 12208862 Strip-Sack said:


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there's any way this kid drops out of the top 15...let alone the first round. I've read some think he's the best pure pass rusher in this draft. I Believe it was Kim Jones but don't remember...anyway, the reporter said he wanted to get out in front of the story and talked about his weed smoking in all the combine interviews even bringing it up first if the team didn't as he wanted to be upfront about it.



3rd time failed pot test? I bet he's dropped out of the first round completely...


I really don't think so...too big of a talent in too weak of a class.
RE: If the GMen just kicked Will Hill to the curb...  
Reb8thVA : 3/29/2015 10:19 am : link
In comment 12208695 CBSGameFace said:
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....Gregory would have to be LT to get drafted here. No way that is happening.

He is also light in the pants and, if I read the article correctly, he seems to always have an excuse for whatever ills him.

I stopped smoking in December, but there were still metabolites in my system???

Yeah, OK...


To me that is a big red flag. No accountability. Just own up to it and accept responsibility
He is certainly a Reese-type  
Sy'56 : 3/29/2015 10:27 am : link
Hard to find guys with this level of speed/explosion that can bend the way he does. Plays pretty hard and can maintain power on the move. Just needs some physical development but early on his career he could make an impact as a 3rd down pass rusher. I have him graded as a top 20 player but not top 10. Wouldn't be upset with the pick.
There is a zero chance this guy is our pick at 9  
SomeFan : 3/29/2015 10:29 am : link
ZERO!
RE: There is a zero chance this guy is our pick at 9  
Strip-Sack : 3/29/2015 10:37 am : link
In comment 12208918 SomeFan said:
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ZERO!


Maybe...maybe not, he's the one guy I thought could drop that absolutely had a very good chance of being the Giants pick at 9...impossible to know their thinking now but I definitely wouldn't rule him out. I do think this is old news for teams and they have already done their due diligence on this issue.
As been mentioned previously  
Coach Mason : 3/29/2015 10:52 am : link
Gregory checks off more boxes for what the Giants typically look for in a DE than any other prospect. The only criteria he doesn't currently possess is the typical weight they like. However he has played at 255 and his frame is the type that can carry even more than that (likely between 260-270).

Dupree is the next closest but is more stout than angular. In other words does not possess the long and wide wing-spanned frame like Kiwi, Osi, Strahan, JPP even Canty. There is a pretty strong pattern for body types within that group.

If the MJ doesn't dissuade them (which it could as Giants are big on character) he could very well be their #1 target at DE even over Beasley.
A 3-4 OLB with a marijuana problem targeted by NYG?  
Mr. Bungle : 3/29/2015 10:54 am : link
I don't Pauline knows what he's talking about.
A 3-4 OLB with a marijuana problem targeted by NYG?  
Mr. Bungle : 3/29/2015 10:56 am : link
I don't think Pauline knows what he's talking about.
RE: As been mentioned previously  
Strip-Sack : 3/29/2015 11:27 am : link
In comment 12208942 Coach Mason said:
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Gregory checks off more boxes for what the Giants typically look for in a DE than any other prospect. The only criteria he doesn't currently possess is the typical weight they like. However he has played at 255 and his frame is the type that can carry even more than that (likely between 260-270).

Dupree is the next closest but is more stout than angular. In other words does not possess the long and wide wing-spanned frame like Kiwi, Osi, Strahan, JPP even Canty. There is a pretty strong pattern for body types within that group.

If the MJ doesn't dissuade them (which it could as Giants are big on character) he could very well be their #1 target at DE even over Beasley.


Couldn't agree more, absent this issue I'd bet this kid would be their number one target unless Williams or Cooper inexplicably dropped....and I still think he gets picked before 9.
If we trade down he could be an option  
Torrag : 3/29/2015 11:37 am : link
too much risk for the #9 selection imo.
No.  
AcidTest : 3/29/2015 12:35 pm : link
They're not drafting him at #9, and he won't be available at #40. Between Hosley and Hill, they're done with the potheads. And in addition to failing his drug test at the combine, didn't he also fail two other tests? Argue all you want about the NFL's policy against pot, but that is the policy. Who would use the #9 pick on a guy who face long suspensions?

He also doesn't fit our system.

We're one month away from the draft. Reporters are looking for stories. The "belief" is that the Giants have a lot of interest in Gregory? What does "belief" mean?

Gregory at #9 would be stunning. And disappointing.
RE: If we trade down he could be an option  
Coach Mason : 3/29/2015 12:40 pm : link
In comment 12208988 Torrag said:
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too much risk for the #9 selection imo.


Torrag you could be right. But this team is borderline DE obsessed. Also Depends on how bad they think the pot stuff is. The information we have is still too superficial to make a judgement IMO. Need to really interview the kid to see if he is ready to grow up. Can't just simply label this a Will Hill situation.
(1) What type of explanation will explain away  
SomeFan : 3/29/2015 2:25 pm : link
getting caught smoking pot three times including at the combine? (2) He is too thin with a narrow base and will get us crushed in the run game. A narrow base means weight does not go on easily without losing speed. (3) Is he an OLB or a DE? He is certainly a tweener.

He seems alot like Dion Jordan on size, drug use, and likely bust potential without the upside. No chance he is our pick at 9.
Sad to say I think if Cooper isn't there  
#10* : 3/29/2015 11:47 pm : link
and he is, I have a hard time believing they pass.
The Giants are not taking this kid @ 9.. period  
blueblood : 3/29/2015 11:51 pm : link
there is simply too much risk..
Gregory reax:  
Coach Mason : 3/29/2015 11:58 pm : link
I don't wake up every day saying, I'd really love to go smoke. It's not a struggle for me every day (now), it really isn't. In the past, hell yeah, it's been a struggle. It really has been.

I was worse at Nebraska than I've ever been at any other time of my life. But I know how I am now. I think if teams really look at how I am now more so than the past, they'll see I'm making strides to get better, as a person and as a player.

I say he doesn't sound belligerent about it and is admitting it's been a weakness.
article  
Coach Mason : 3/30/2015 12:03 am : link
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nfl.com article - ( New Window )
RE: (1) What type of explanation will explain away  
Giants2012 : 3/30/2015 12:32 am : link
In comment 12209159 SomeFan said:
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getting caught smoking pot three times including at the combine? (2) He is too thin with a narrow base and will get us crushed in the run game. A narrow base means weight does not go on easily without losing speed. (3) Is he an OLB or a DE? He is certainly a tweener.

He seems alot like Dion Jordan on size, drug use, and likely bust potential without the upside. No chance he is our pick at 9.


+1

Add 20lbs to a narrow base and he's still only 255lbs and we no idea if the speed/first step will be effected. He might still be a fun support liability at 255lbs. 235lbs is a joke.
Run not fun  
Giants2012 : 3/30/2015 12:34 am : link
Tired :)
He fits our profile  
AcesUp : 3/30/2015 12:52 am : link
He's long, athletic and productive. It's what we always look for in a pass rusher. And hes not a tweener at all, he's an undersized 4-3 pass rusher. I buy that he was light at the combine bc of illness, and I buy that he had enough weed in his system since December to test positive at the combine. The NFL drug testing policy is actually one of the best in the business for what they test for, and a chronic marijuana user can test positive two months later, so it may not be an "idiot fail" which is what you really need to worry about. He's a legit giant target, don't think he's getting enough play on this board.

The real problem is that he's entering Stage 1, but they've recently become more lax with marijuana and that will only continue as the public becomes more and more lax with the drug (which it will). NFL is reactionary, I'd be more concerned with a guy attracted to the party lifestyle (DUIs and bar fights) or domestic violence than a pothead going forward.
Drug issue aside  
old man : 3/30/2015 9:37 am : link
I think Sy's analysis showed some weaknesses, and as someone mentioned, he disappeared for long periods(which I think was similarly commented on by Sy).
The drug issue, and his own statement indicated a heavy use before the Combine.
If he slips to the 3rd rd., he would fit the analysis of a situational DE that maybe could grow to a Justin Houston; that all is not worth a risk at #9.
Slightly off topic  
giantgiantfan : 3/30/2015 11:31 am : link
but how are employers handling drug testing in states where Marijuana is fully legalized like Oregon, Washington, and Colorado?

What about states where you have a medical waiver to use?
RE: Slightly off topic  
Semipro Lineman : 3/30/2015 11:42 am : link
In comment 12210230 giantgiantfan said:
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but how are employers handling drug testing in states where Marijuana is fully legalized like Oregon, Washington, and Colorado?

What about states where you have a medical waiver to use?


How many employers anywhere actually drug test their employees? Probably only certain titles in public safety related fields. I'm sure that nothing changed for those few subject to drug screening before the legalization.
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