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La'el Collins OT LSU Says Watch the Tape

Emil : 3/29/2015 11:29 am
So with LSU's prod day in the books and with the Giants in very high profile attendance I thought this article on Big Blue View was quite interesting. It takes a look at Collins vs Dante Fowler, the consensus top pass rusher in the draft. Looks like Collins got the best of this match-up and appears to be rising up draft boards quite a bit. Looks like he has gone from a top 20 selection to a strongly possibility in the top 10.

I'm no OL play analyst, but I know plenty of BBI contributors have some experience. Would be interested in hearing some more expert opinions. Clearly the Giants have interest, which tells me they see him as a tackle and possible a LT in a year or two.
La'el Collins vs. Dante Fowler: Collins was the clear winner - ( New Window )
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No, I mean other BPA options  
Big Blue '56 : 3/30/2015 9:14 am : link
for Reese like Cooper, Beasley, White etc. and on the Giants board/tier it's between Collins and Scherff?
No one knows where the Giants have him or anyone else ranked.  
Klaatu : 3/30/2015 9:15 am : link
The point is that if he's the guy they really covet (and I'm not arguing that he is), they should take him when they have the chance, not risk losing him by trading down.
I'd pick Peat first, Scherff second  
JonC : 3/30/2015 9:15 am : link
I think #9 will be too high for Collins.
CBSGameFace...  
M.S. : 3/30/2015 9:48 am : link

...live games and some Youtube viewing.

But mostly live games.
RE: I'd pick Peat first, Scherff second  
Klaatu : 3/30/2015 9:48 am : link
In comment 12210030 JonC said:
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I think #9 will be too high for Collins.


Well, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but, again, that's not the point.

Forget the OL for a moment and plug in, say, DeVante Parker or Bud Dupree. You see the same things written about them: Oh yeah, I like him, but not at #9. I'd trade down and get him later on. As if Reese can snap his fingers and magically engineer a trade-down...a trade-down that guarantees the player he really likes will still be available to him. Sheesh.
K  
JonC : 3/30/2015 9:51 am : link
That response was for BB56.

I see your point, and Reese agrees with you. To me, that indicates the grades/value aren't big enough to argue over. Trading down is a red herring until you're actually on the clock, and good luck actually making the trade down unless a QB or WR slips to #9.
RE: RE: When i say he has great feet,  
drkenneth : 3/30/2015 10:12 am : link
In comment 12209913 CBSGameFace said:
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In comment 12209908 prdave73 said:


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I mean he's quick enough to handle the quicker and agile DE's, you can see it when you look at some of his gameplay as well as how he did in the combine. He's just very athletic. Can he improve on his footwork, sure he can most of them could. I'm sure that will improve once they start working with Nfl coaches..



I am inclined to agree with you as what I saw of him live projects well to McAdoo's system. He gets to the second level quickly and is downright scary when he does. He is only 305 lbs but has the frame to pack on another 15 lbs. easy. And playing in the SEC don't hurt.

I am high on him in a tradeback scenario, but not at 9. Gotta start stacking picks like those damn Patriots (9) and Seahawks (11). Wow. What a coincidence that the Pats and Hawks who always seem to have a plethora of picks were in the SB.

Interesting.


Collins was 320 at his pro day.
No worries, Jon.  
Klaatu : 3/30/2015 10:20 am : link
I'm just tired of hearing about how the Giants should trade down. I blame that fanspeak thing.
The battle against short perspective never ends  
JonC : 3/30/2015 10:28 am : link
There's things I type daily here regarding the draft that I was typing in 1995 on BBI ...
In my opinion, if Collins is the guy Reese wants you take him  
PatersonPlank : 3/30/2015 10:32 am : link
regardless if the pundits think he is #8, #9, or #15. He's in the area, and he certainly won't be there at #40. Besides these rankings are all guesses anyway. The difference between #9 and #15 is probably zero.
RE: No worries, Jon.  
drkenneth : 3/30/2015 10:36 am : link
In comment 12210109 Klaatu said:
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I'm just tired of hearing about how the Giants should trade down. I blame that fanspeak thing.


The "I would trade down" thing should be cause for automatic banishment.

We'd all love to trade down, grab some extra picks, then select the player we wanted all along....

It's the equivalent of saying "I would love to winner the lottery today"....Yet, year after year, people come and post the same garbage over and over.
Question for Sy  
DonnieD89 : 3/30/2015 10:36 am : link
If you have Collins ahead of Martin from last year, are you comparing their grades at G or at OLine in general? How does Collins compare to last year's Robinson, Matthews and Lewan, if you are comparing Collin's ability at LT? Thanks for your ongoing input. It is greatly appreciated.
RE: RE: RE: When i say he has great feet,  
CBSGameFace : 3/30/2015 1:04 pm : link
In comment 12210098 drkenneth said:
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In comment 12209913 CBSGameFace said:


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In comment 12209908 prdave73 said:


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I mean he's quick enough to handle the quicker and agile DE's, you can see it when you look at some of his gameplay as well as how he did in the combine. He's just very athletic. Can he improve on his footwork, sure he can most of them could. I'm sure that will improve once they start working with Nfl coaches..



I am inclined to agree with you as what I saw of him live projects well to McAdoo's system. He gets to the second level quickly and is downright scary when he does. He is only 305 lbs but has the frame to pack on another 15 lbs. easy. And playing in the SEC don't hurt.

I am high on him in a tradeback scenario, but not at 9. Gotta start stacking picks like those damn Patriots (9) and Seahawks (11). Wow. What a coincidence that the Pats and Hawks who always seem to have a plethora of picks were in the SB.

Interesting.



Collins was 320 at his pro day.


Woot!! There it is......
Scherff edges out Collins  
Torrag : 3/30/2015 1:17 pm : link
Peat a distant third.

It's very close between the two top OL now but his elite agility and power base makes Scherff the better pro prospect imo. Very few to no college players are finished products when they hit reach the NFL. Scherff has the higher ceiling while still having a high floor.
RE: Scherff edges out Collins  
Coach Mason : 3/30/2015 1:35 pm : link
In comment 12210421 Torrag said:
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Peat a distant third.

It's very close between the two top OL now but his elite agility and power base makes Scherff the better pro prospect imo. Very few to no college players are finished products when they hit reach the NFL. Scherff has the higher ceiling while still having a high floor.


Agree that Scherff would seem to be the type from a measurable and agility standpoint the Giants would prefer.
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