I still have no clue why they think this is a good idea. High School kids probably dont even know who the hell Chris Mullin is, he's never been a coach. Why can't they just do anything that makes sense? link - ( New Window )
said it would take a boatload on money for DH to go back to seton hall. He felt abused by PJ and thought the school never backed him up if you remember that long ago. He doesn't have fond memories of SH at all.
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said it would take a boatload on money for DH to go back to seton hall. He felt abused by PJ and thought the school never backed him up if you remember that long ago. He doesn't have fond memories of SH at all.
That's actually interesting. I do remember Hurley stepping away from the team for a bit PJ's last season and also just getting tormented by fans. His brother's success didn't do him any favors. But still if they come calling him with a big offer, you have to wonder if something 20 years ago would stop him. Maybe it's a chance at redemption for him. I know that same fanbase that was all over him as a player would welcome him with open arms at this point as a coach. Willard has got to be hanging on by a thread.
That's actually interesting. I do remember Hurley stepping away from the team for a bit PJ's last season and also just getting tormented by fans. His brother's success didn't do him any favors. But still if they come calling him with a big offer, you have to wonder if something 20 years ago would stop him. Maybe it's a chance at redemption for him. I know that same fanbase that was all over him as a player would welcome him with open arms at this point as a coach. Willard has got to be hanging on by a thread.
I think if he leaves Rhode Island it'll be for a way bigger job than Seton Hall...
I know Mook's thing is to be the disgruntled know-it-all Â
but you really think none of the kids have any idea who Chris Mullin is? The guy is a hall of famer and a legend at St. John's. If they have ANY interest in St. John's or NBA basketball, they know who he is. Even if they don't know about his playing days for some reason, he's been on ESPN quite a bit as an analyst so they would have exposure to him that way. They know who he is. The real question is how well he can coach kids.
I don't know why you're so riled up about what St. John's is doing anyway. I thought you were a UNC fan.
Mullin took a little less money, to secure more money for his staff. He would not have taken the job if he wasn't allowed to open the wallet and bring in a kick arse staff. And he will put one together.
Travis Atson and Rawle Alkins, two of the best 2016 kids in NY have already said they are excited about Mullin.
Brandon Sampson said he can't wait to have a talk with Mullin. Instead of a talk, Mullin should challenge him to a game of horse. If Sampson wins, he can look for other options, but if Mullin wins, he must sign his LOI.
I think that approach would guarantee every recruit signs.:)
had no head coaching experience when he took over at Iowa State either. How did that work out?
Killing this hire is a little premature. It might blow up in their faces, but if Mullin turns out to be as successful as Hoiberg has been then it was the right move.
But he never has coached a game in high school, college or the pros. Those who played with him consider him a basketball savant so he may serve as more than just a general manager of the team. He is expected to hire a coaching staff that will complement his skills with those he is still learning.
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Among the serious candidates — some that he already has consulted with — are Kentucky assistant and fellow alumnus from Brooklyn’s Xaverian Barry Rohrssen, who established a flowing pipeline of New Yorkers to Pitt and has head coaching experience at Manhattan; Iowa State assistant Matt Abdelmassih, a St. John's alum and former hoops manager who is a rising star among assistant coaches and is heavily involved in the recruiting of Long Island blue-chipper Cheick Diallo; Bulls assistant and Bronx product Ed Pinkney who helped Villanova to the 1985 national title and also was a strong recruiting assistant coach for the Wildcats for four seasons; and Emanuel (Book) Richardson of the Bronx, who has regularly scored top recruits including New Yorkers for Xavier and now Arizona. He could hire brother Terence Mullin in some capacity as well.
had no head coaching experience when he took over at Iowa State either. How did that work out?
Killing this hire is a little premature. It might blow up in their faces, but if Mullin turns out to be as successful as Hoiberg has been then it was the right move.
Very good point. However, the Big 12 is an easier sell than the fluid Big East, so I'm not sure how Mullin manages that and the brand weakness of St. John's...
Let's see, I'm a national standout player in the tri-state area and I'm being courted by KY, Kansas, Duke, UNC, etc, etc...Great conferences, great expsoure, great facilities, great recent traditional, etc. Huge, uphill climb for SJU...
Mullin took a little less money, to secure more money for his staff. He would not have taken the job if he wasn't allowed to open the wallet and bring in a kick arse staff. And he will put one together.
Travis Atson and Rawle Alkins, two of the best 2016 kids in NY have already said they are excited about Mullin.
Brandon Sampson said he can't wait to have a talk with Mullin. Instead of a talk, Mullin should challenge him to a game of horse. If Sampson wins, he can look for other options, but if Mullin wins, he must sign his LOI.
I think that approach would guarantee every recruit signs.:)
Except for when in the game of horse the player starts dunking.
had no head coaching experience when he took over at Iowa State either. How did that work out?
Killing this hire is a little premature. It might blow up in their faces, but if Mullin turns out to be as successful as Hoiberg has been then it was the right move.
Very good point. However, the Big 12 is an easier sell than the fluid Big East, so I'm not sure how Mullin manages that and the brand weakness of St. John's...
Let's see, I'm a national standout player in the tri-state area and I'm being courted by KY, Kansas, Duke, UNC, etc, etc...Great conferences, great expsoure, great facilities, great recent traditional, etc. Huge, uphill climb for SJU...
Even assuming all you say is true then that is reality and isn't really the point. The real question is can Mullin do a better job than the alternative choices for coach. The school and their circumstances aren't changing.
had no head coaching experience when he took over at Iowa State either. How did that work out?
Killing this hire is a little premature. It might blow up in their faces, but if Mullin turns out to be as successful as Hoiberg has been then it was the right move.
Very good point. However, the Big 12 is an easier sell than the fluid Big East, so I'm not sure how Mullin manages that and the brand weakness of St. John's...
Let's see, I'm a national standout player in the tri-state area and I'm being courted by KY, Kansas, Duke, UNC, etc, etc...Great conferences, great expsoure, great facilities, great recent traditional, etc. Huge, uphill climb for SJU...
That would be the case regardless of who they hired... unless it was one of the big name coaches.
but with all this talk about St Johns having such a great history I looked them up and they have never won a championship and only ever been to 2 final fours. granted I am young and have only ever seen St Johns be mediocre to awful but what is this great history everyone keeps talking about? (also again i am not trying to put down St Johns I am merely curious)
The NCAA tourney wasn't alway THE tourney.. the NIT was the real deal back in the day. Their history goes way back.. to those times. Before time itself.
but with all this talk about St Johns having such a great history I looked them up and they have never won a championship and only ever been to 2 final fours. granted I am young and have only ever seen St Johns be mediocre to awful but what is this great history everyone keeps talking about? (also again i am not trying to put down St Johns I am merely curious)
I think what you're overlooking is how great the Big East was in the 1980s. Georgetown with Patrick Ewing won in 1984, Villanova upset Georgetown to win in 1985, and St John's was right there in the mix with Mullin, Bill Wennington, Walter Berry - those guys. It was truly an awesome era of college hoops in NY. The Big East tournament was at MSG. And a lot of the players came out of the city - Mullin and Bernard King both came out of Brooklyn around the same time.
Yeah my whole deal was when I think of programs with great history Â
people talk about Indiana, Kentucky, Kansas, etc. All schools who have won the NCAA Tournament multiple times who I can see now that their history has much more exposure now that schools like St Johns
and yes, St John's won the NIT several times back when Â
people talk about Indiana, Kentucky, Kansas, etc. All schools who have won the NCAA Tournament multiple times who I can see now that their history has much more exposure now that schools like St Johns
Don't know how old you are, but sure, if you are looking at the last 15-20 years St John's does not have a whole lot to show for it, and I can understand your POV.
but with all this talk about St Johns having such a great history I looked them up and they have never won a championship and only ever been to 2 final fours. granted I am young and have only ever seen St Johns be mediocre to awful but what is this great history everyone keeps talking about? (also again i am not trying to put down St Johns I am merely curious)
Well the fact you're young is a start... LOL
They're the 8th winningest program in college basketball history and were one of the main teams responsible for the rise in popularity of the Big East, thanks mostly to Chris Mullin, Walter Berry, Mark Jackson and head coach Lou Carnesecca. Postseason success hasn't happened yet (unless you count NIT titles of which they have 6) but because they're a NY based team who plays in the Garden they have always received national exposure.
With the way that the conferences have busted up Â
St John's isn't really a premier job anymore. Sorry to say. The new Big East isn't the old Big East (although still better than the stupid AAC).
I wonder who they could have gotten that would be better? It would seem to me that Mullin, who was a star in the NBA and made the same trip that these city kids dream of making will have a more compelling story than most for recruiting.
I think recruiting for NYC is a double-edged sword Â
On the plus side, it's New York City and it's playing games at Madison Square Garden. However, it seems that with a lot of high school superstars who come from bad areas, their parents/guardians often want them to go away to a school in a smaller town, where the bad influences in their lives aren't around and they can start fresh and try to stay safe and out of trouble. For the sake of New York City sports, I hope that it works out.
I think Chris Mullin is exactly the hire to get in order to elevate St. John's' status and make them a hot choice for high school recruits. He may not have played for a long time and his name may not ring immediate bells, but kids still know about the "Dream Team" and him being on it has a lot of cache. He's an NBA Hall of Famer and he still has NBA connections.
Add to that he has a thick New York accent and he is a local playground legend.
already agreed to join Mullin's staff. He has received Calipari's blessing.
If true, Mullin, Slice, and Matt A. is quite a recruiting trio. All that is left is a veteran to help with x's and o's. He may look for a former NBA guy for that role, especially if he plans on running NBA style sets.
“The history here at St. John’s, we’ve always been strong in New York City, and I guarantee you you’ll see me in public school gyms, Catholic schools gyms, the AAU gyms all over New York City. You don’t have to tell me where they are, I played in all of them. I know how to get in the back doors."
last couple of days and basically sleeping all day so havent read much but did just watch the press conference.
I'm more hopeful now than I was a few days ago. I hope like hell I was completely wrong in my concerns. Hopefully he is Fred Hoiberg and not Clyde Drexler.
If he gets Slice to go with Matt Abdelmessih then that's a great start for recruiting.
last couple of days and basically sleeping all day so havent read much but did just watch the press conference.
I'm more hopeful now than I was a few days ago. I hope like hell I was completely wrong in my concerns. Hopefully he is Fred Hoiberg and not Clyde Drexler.
If he gets Slice to go with Matt Abdelmessih then that's a great start for recruiting.
You also missed Trimble coming back to Maryland!
Makes total sense to run an NBA offense. Helps recruiting Â
And Alkins tweeted that mullin already offered him. Sure sounds like Alkins wants to stay and play local. Better nail that one
I was ok w the Lavin years. I think he got some talented guys to play here and re established SJU as a basketball school. But the way he treated the local kids and coaches was criminal. It's really easy for mullin to come in and start opening the lines of communication to these schools. SJU and msg is a huge draw for local talent. It may not be the school they choose in the end but a lot of kids will. I promise that.
Feel better Mook. If mullin sticks w this formula, SJU will be in excellent shape.
Not that I'm sure Chris Mullin is a great coach, but it wouldn't take much to be a better coach than Steve Lavin. At least Mullin knows what the NBA life is and what it takes, and being in front offices, he knows what the league looks for. It's a selling point.
can't say I followed SJU super closely in the Lavin years but Â
my beef with Lavin is that the teams never seemed to be assembled that well. Not that every squad has to have a traditional C-PF-SF-SG-PG lineup, and obviously you have to play who you have if you can't get anyone else, but the SJU teams under Lavin seemed to have a lot of similar skill set guys but not much balance as a team. Don't know if that makes sense, but that's how I saw it. I think Mullin will put together better teams than Lavin did.
That's actually interesting. I do remember Hurley stepping away from the team for a bit PJ's last season and also just getting tormented by fans. His brother's success didn't do him any favors. But still if they come calling him with a big offer, you have to wonder if something 20 years ago would stop him. Maybe it's a chance at redemption for him. I know that same fanbase that was all over him as a player would welcome him with open arms at this point as a coach. Willard has got to be hanging on by a thread.
I think if he leaves Rhode Island it'll be for a way bigger job than Seton Hall...
I don't know why you're so riled up about what St. John's is doing anyway. I thought you were a UNC fan.
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Tremendous buzz right now for SJU. Boomer and carton start the show talking SJU hoops. It's exciting.
Travis Atson and Rawle Alkins, two of the best 2016 kids in NY have already said they are excited about Mullin.
Brandon Sampson said he can't wait to have a talk with Mullin. Instead of a talk, Mullin should challenge him to a game of horse. If Sampson wins, he can look for other options, but if Mullin wins, he must sign his LOI.
I think that approach would guarantee every recruit signs.:)
Killing this hire is a little premature. It might blow up in their faces, but if Mullin turns out to be as successful as Hoiberg has been then it was the right move.
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Among the serious candidates — some that he already has consulted with — are Kentucky assistant and fellow alumnus from Brooklyn’s Xaverian Barry Rohrssen, who established a flowing pipeline of New Yorkers to Pitt and has head coaching experience at Manhattan; Iowa State assistant Matt Abdelmassih, a St. John's alum and former hoops manager who is a rising star among assistant coaches and is heavily involved in the recruiting of Long Island blue-chipper Cheick Diallo; Bulls assistant and Bronx product Ed Pinkney who helped Villanova to the 1985 national title and also was a strong recruiting assistant coach for the Wildcats for four seasons; and Emanuel (Book) Richardson of the Bronx, who has regularly scored top recruits including New Yorkers for Xavier and now Arizona. He could hire brother Terence Mullin in some capacity as well.
Killing this hire is a little premature. It might blow up in their faces, but if Mullin turns out to be as successful as Hoiberg has been then it was the right move.
Very good point. However, the Big 12 is an easier sell than the fluid Big East, so I'm not sure how Mullin manages that and the brand weakness of St. John's...
Let's see, I'm a national standout player in the tri-state area and I'm being courted by KY, Kansas, Duke, UNC, etc, etc...Great conferences, great expsoure, great facilities, great recent traditional, etc. Huge, uphill climb for SJU...
Travis Atson and Rawle Alkins, two of the best 2016 kids in NY have already said they are excited about Mullin.
Brandon Sampson said he can't wait to have a talk with Mullin. Instead of a talk, Mullin should challenge him to a game of horse. If Sampson wins, he can look for other options, but if Mullin wins, he must sign his LOI.
I think that approach would guarantee every recruit signs.:)
Except for when in the game of horse the player starts dunking.
It's absolutely comparible to the power schools not named Kentucky duke unc Kansas etc
It's absolutely comparible to the power schools not named Kentucky duke unc Kansas etc
Hey, hope you're right. SJU has a once rich tradition and I'm rooting for Mullin. But there are significant hurdles in my book...
Also echoed comments in some of these threads that Pecora would be perfect as an Xs and Os assistant.
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had no head coaching experience when he took over at Iowa State either. How did that work out?
Killing this hire is a little premature. It might blow up in their faces, but if Mullin turns out to be as successful as Hoiberg has been then it was the right move.
Very good point. However, the Big 12 is an easier sell than the fluid Big East, so I'm not sure how Mullin manages that and the brand weakness of St. John's...
Let's see, I'm a national standout player in the tri-state area and I'm being courted by KY, Kansas, Duke, UNC, etc, etc...Great conferences, great expsoure, great facilities, great recent traditional, etc. Huge, uphill climb for SJU...
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The Mullin press conference will be tomorrow at 11:00 am.
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had no head coaching experience when he took over at Iowa State either. How did that work out?
Killing this hire is a little premature. It might blow up in their faces, but if Mullin turns out to be as successful as Hoiberg has been then it was the right move.
Very good point. However, the Big 12 is an easier sell than the fluid Big East, so I'm not sure how Mullin manages that and the brand weakness of St. John's...
Let's see, I'm a national standout player in the tri-state area and I'm being courted by KY, Kansas, Duke, UNC, etc, etc...Great conferences, great expsoure, great facilities, great recent traditional, etc. Huge, uphill climb for SJU...
That would be the case regardless of who they hired... unless it was one of the big name coaches.
I think what you're overlooking is how great the Big East was in the 1980s. Georgetown with Patrick Ewing won in 1984, Villanova upset Georgetown to win in 1985, and St John's was right there in the mix with Mullin, Bill Wennington, Walter Berry - those guys. It was truly an awesome era of college hoops in NY. The Big East tournament was at MSG. And a lot of the players came out of the city - Mullin and Bernard King both came out of Brooklyn around the same time.
The guy is on the list of the best NBA'ers of all-time and was on the Dream Team.
It would be akin to saying players today would have no clue who Clyde Drexler or Scottie Pippen is.
Don't know how old you are, but sure, if you are looking at the last 15-20 years St John's does not have a whole lot to show for it, and I can understand your POV.
Well the fact you're young is a start... LOL
They're the 8th winningest program in college basketball history and were one of the main teams responsible for the rise in popularity of the Big East, thanks mostly to Chris Mullin, Walter Berry, Mark Jackson and head coach Lou Carnesecca. Postseason success hasn't happened yet (unless you count NIT titles of which they have 6) but because they're a NY based team who plays in the Garden they have always received national exposure.
I wonder who they could have gotten that would be better? It would seem to me that Mullin, who was a star in the NBA and made the same trip that these city kids dream of making will have a more compelling story than most for recruiting.
I think Chris Mullin is exactly the hire to get in order to elevate St. John's' status and make them a hot choice for high school recruits. He may not have played for a long time and his name may not ring immediate bells, but kids still know about the "Dream Team" and him being on it has a lot of cache. He's an NBA Hall of Famer and he still has NBA connections.
Add to that he has a thick New York accent and he is a local playground legend.
If true, Mullin, Slice, and Matt A. is quite a recruiting trio. All that is left is a veteran to help with x's and o's. He may look for a former NBA guy for that role, especially if he plans on running NBA style sets.
Mullins press conference is getting rage reviews. He gave a solid interview on the Kay show earlier.
Nothing but good vibes around the program.
any news on Sampson? Seems like he really liked SJU so hopefully he sticks around
I'm more hopeful now than I was a few days ago. I hope like hell I was completely wrong in my concerns. Hopefully he is Fred Hoiberg and not Clyde Drexler.
If he gets Slice to go with Matt Abdelmessih then that's a great start for recruiting.
I'm more hopeful now than I was a few days ago. I hope like hell I was completely wrong in my concerns. Hopefully he is Fred Hoiberg and not Clyde Drexler.
If he gets Slice to go with Matt Abdelmessih then that's a great start for recruiting.
You also missed Trimble coming back to Maryland!
I was ok w the Lavin years. I think he got some talented guys to play here and re established SJU as a basketball school. But the way he treated the local kids and coaches was criminal. It's really easy for mullin to come in and start opening the lines of communication to these schools. SJU and msg is a huge draw for local talent. It may not be the school they choose in the end but a lot of kids will. I promise that.
Feel better Mook. If mullin sticks w this formula, SJU will be in excellent shape.
Not that I'm sure Chris Mullin is a great coach, but it wouldn't take much to be a better coach than Steve Lavin. At least Mullin knows what the NBA life is and what it takes, and being in front offices, he knows what the league looks for. It's a selling point.