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NFT: Chris Mullin offered St. John's job, expected to accept

MookGiants : 3/29/2015 5:20 pm
I still have no clue why they think this is a good idea. High School kids probably dont even know who the hell Chris Mullin is, he's never been a coach. Why can't they just do anything that makes sense?
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the last time he played  
MookGiants : 3/29/2015 5:23 pm : link
the high school kids right now were either not born or 3 years old.

Seriously, someone please explain to me how this is a good thing. High schol kids don't even know who this guy is!
Bad hire..  
Sean : 3/29/2015 5:27 pm : link
stop clinging to the past, move forward and build a consistent winner.
Hopefully they also hiring assistants  
KevinBBWC : 3/29/2015 5:29 pm : link
who can really recruit. Barry Rohrssen should be one of them. Would still like to also see them get Matt Abdelmassih with him eventually taking over.
they just refuse  
MookGiants : 3/29/2015 5:29 pm : link
to make a good hire. Always going for the guy who will grab headlines. So dumb.
Abdelmessih  
MookGiants : 3/29/2015 5:31 pm : link
would be nuts to join this staff. He needs to hitch his wagon to Hoiberg who eventually is going to get an NBA job when he wants to leave Iowa State.
Chris Mullin was a great Johnnie  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 3/29/2015 5:32 pm : link
He was a great NBA player. I'm sure he'll sell them on that. I don't think this is a bad hire at all. This is a dude who knows the area and university.
As a Grad and a son of a Grad  
heartbeatstalent : 3/29/2015 5:33 pm : link
This will either be the luckiest hire ever or they will make me hate someone that I have loved since I can remember. Hope this works out better than every hire since Louie
RE: Chris Mullin was a great Johnnie  
Del Shofner : 3/29/2015 5:35 pm : link
In comment 12209380 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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He was a great NBA player. I'm sure he'll sell them on that. I don't think this is a bad hire at all. This is a dude who knows the area and university.


that's what I think too, but we will see.
none of these kids saw  
MookGiants : 3/29/2015 5:35 pm : link
him play in the NBA. If you asked 100 top high school kids to pick Mullin out of a lineup i bet maybe 5% could.
I'm not sure if he can coach or not  
BigBlueShock : 3/29/2015 5:38 pm : link
but to think that high school kids from NYC would have no idea who Chris Mullin is, that's just ridiculous. They may not care who he is, but they know who he is.
The guy also has  
Semipro Lineman : 3/29/2015 5:39 pm : link
NBA front office experience so it's not like he has been sitting on a couch like Al Bundy since his St. John's glory days
I trust Mullin to put together a great staff  
marbles : 3/29/2015 5:40 pm : link
He was never a prima Donna as a player, and overcame demons.

He has been a basketball lifer. He can always sell kids on the fact that he was an NBA GM, and knew how to draft talented college kids. Also, these kids may not be old enough to know Chris Mullin the player, but their handlers do. And now Under Armour has a big name to attach to their brand.

That unfortunately is a big part of recruiting college hoops. Yes it is a risky move, but the reward is enormous.

The good press the University would get if Mullin returns a conquering hero would be priceless.
the university  
MookGiants : 3/29/2015 5:45 pm : link
needs to simply worry about getting good press from the basketball team, not that a potential old hero can bring it.

Chris Mullin has never coached. He's never recruited. He's now the guy I want? No thanks.

It also makes things impossible if they suck and you want to fire him.
He might be a total joke...  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 3/29/2015 5:56 pm : link
But I doubt it. This is man who has succeeded in whatever he's pursued.
RE: He might be a total joke...  
MookGiants : 3/29/2015 5:58 pm : link
In comment 12209411 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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But I doubt it. This is man who has succeeded in whatever he's pursued.


He's never coached. Never recruited. I'm sure there has been a few but I can't think of one guy who has never coached and was handed a major d1 college coaching job.

Mook  
bxgiants4 : 3/29/2015 5:59 pm : link
I preferred masiello or Hurley but get in together and give this guy a chance.
RE: none of these kids saw  
Mike in Philly : 3/29/2015 6:02 pm : link
In comment 12209387 MookGiants said:
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him play in the NBA. If you asked 100 top high school kids to pick Mullin out of a lineup i bet maybe 5% could.

Mullin should be all over the St. John records books so, if they have a trophy case I would think at least the ball players would know who he is. Beyond that, not so much.
I'm talking  
MookGiants : 3/29/2015 6:07 pm : link
about kids currently in high school, Mike.
A lot of the kids probably know him from  
KevinBBWC : 3/29/2015 6:15 pm : link
the NBA2K series though and that probably carries a little weight. So it's not like they completely don't know him.
Guys with less experience have succeeded as NBA coaches  
steve in ky : 3/29/2015 6:18 pm : link
No reason he couldn't succeed on the college level. Now whether he does or not only time will tell.
Come on  
BigBlueShock : 3/29/2015 6:19 pm : link
So because they never seen him play live, they have no idea who Chris Mullin is? When you were in high school, you only knew about current players or coaches? Had no vision of the past?

I think you're selling these kids a bit short here. They aren't ignorant. And again, it may not matter to them, but kids in NYC know who Chris Mullen is.
RE: I'm talking  
Mike in Philly : 3/29/2015 6:21 pm : link
In comment 12209433 MookGiants said:
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about kids currently in high school, Mike.

Gotcha, sorry for the misread. In that I am sure you are probably spit on.
RE: RE: I'm talking  
Del Shofner : 3/29/2015 6:23 pm : link
In comment 12209451 Mike in Philly said:
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In that I am sure you are probably spit on.


I don't agree with Mook here, but I wouldn't spit on him ...
RE: Come on  
MookGiants : 3/29/2015 6:25 pm : link
In comment 12209448 BigBlueShock said:
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So because they never seen him play live, they have no idea who Chris Mullin is? When you were in high school, you only knew about current players or coaches? Had no vision of the past?

I think you're selling these kids a bit short here. They aren't ignorant. And again, it may not matter to them, but kids in NYC know who Chris Mullen is.


BBS, I'm not talking about just kids in NYC. I'm talking about the top 100 kids across the country
Strong rumors are Matt Abdelmassih  
marbles : 3/29/2015 6:35 pm : link
Will join Mullin's staff. I don't care your age, but no SJU alum, like Abdelmassih, could say no to Chris Mullin. Also, he has been recruiting many of the same kids -- Diallo for example -- that Lavin was in on.

Also, Sampson's coach said Mullin a great hire. Rysheed Jordan is already leaning on staying in school.
That's a poor  
MookGiants : 3/29/2015 6:37 pm : link
career move by Matt if true.
the cbs sports article  
MookGiants : 3/29/2015 6:38 pm : link
said it's highly unlikely Jordan will be back
Why do you make this hire  
Rflairr : 3/29/2015 6:56 pm : link
with so many good college guys out there, that would be interested. The Hurley brothers, for instance.

I can understand the Mark Price hire at Charlotte. But not this one. If you wanted a ST Johns alum, why not Mark Jackson?
I dont follow SJU  
Deej : 3/29/2015 7:03 pm : link
They're not a major power. We big time coaches lining up to come here? Coaches are expensive as hell, and I'd want more to coach in NYC than a college town.
Chris  
RetroJint : 3/29/2015 7:30 pm : link
should also consider Tom Pecora, just let go at Fordham. He had 2 good gets in Severe & Pascall. His best role is as a recruiting-oriented assistant.
Mullin knows the game better than 95% of D1 coaches. He's played for great coaches. His name remains magic in NYC. He's not too old to have a long, successful third career. Beyond all of that-I like the guy. He has wrestled his demons and has them under control.

I gave John's one of my best all-time pitchers . He finished top-5 in all the major categories.. Fordham sent an assistant flunky who was 45 minutes late for his visit. Love the school. Largest Catholic institution in the country. If this happens, best of luck. Maybe they could do better. Maybe not. But I wouldn't bet against him.
RE: That's a poor  
marbles : 3/29/2015 7:36 pm : link
In comment 12209472 MookGiants said:
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career move by Matt if true.


Why? Hitching your wagon to Hoiberg is a better career move than hitching it to Mullin? Abdelmassih is a SJU alum. He was a student assistant and may want this badly.
yes  
MookGiants : 3/29/2015 7:38 pm : link
it is. Hoiberg if he wants will have an NBA job. He also has already been very successful at Iowa State.

Chris Mullin has coached as many games as I have.
This may be a weird comparison...  
Chris in Philly : 3/29/2015 7:42 pm : link
but it reminds me of when Penn hired Jerome Allen. One of the greatest players in school history, but there was no way it was going to end well. I'm much closer to the penn situation than SJ, but there are tremendous risks to this ending poorly.
RE: This may be a weird comparison...  
BigBlueShock : 3/29/2015 7:47 pm : link
In comment 12209551 Chris in Philly said:
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but it reminds me of when Penn hired Jerome Allen. One of the greatest players in school history, but there was no way it was going to end well. I'm much closer to the penn situation than SJ, but there are tremendous risks to this ending poorly.

That right there is the problem. One way or another, no matter how long it takes, this will eventually end up in a situation where SJ has to fire Mullin. Unless of course Mullin leaves on his own first, for whatever reasons, good or bad.

It is exactly why, as a Yankee fan, I wanted no part of them hiring Don Mattingly as manager. Donnie baseball is my all time favorite player and I didn't want to see him shit canned by the Steinbrenner clan.
Mullin already has NBA ties  
marbles : 3/29/2015 7:48 pm : link
And he turned down the Sacramento coaching gig, and encouraged Karl to take it.

We will disagree. I am optimistic.
RE: Mullin already has NBA ties  
MookGiants : 3/29/2015 7:50 pm : link
In comment 12209560 marbles said:
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And he turned down the Sacramento coaching gig, and encouraged Karl to take it.

We will disagree. I am optimistic.


His coaching resume is exactly blank.

If Mullin went to any other school and had the exact same success, they would never even think about hiring him.

That's the issue. He only got the job because he went to St. John's. Nothing else. That's a terrible reason to hire a head coach. They are not making this hire for the correct reasons.
Mook, I am not getting into an argument with you  
marbles : 3/29/2015 8:04 pm : link
because we both want the program to succeed. I will just say this, Hoiberg wasn't a hot candidate with any coaching experience when he took the Iowa St. job. And had was less accomplished as a NBA executive.
he's a nyc hoops legend  
weeg in the bronx : 3/29/2015 8:06 pm : link
The parents of the kids he recruits all know who he is. Every coach knows who he is. Recruiting is the problem, I'd expect his resume as an nba player and exec to help in that area.
you might not like it,  
slickwilly : 3/29/2015 8:56 pm : link
But bottom line Mullin is way, way, way better than keeping Lavin. This hs kids don't know him argument is garbage. Information this day and age is readily available. Every hs recruit in the nation will know about the Mullin hire by tomorrow morning the latest. Masiello's only national exposure was his lies about ties to Kentucky. Should have went with him I guess.
no  
MookGiants : 3/29/2015 9:01 pm : link
they should have gone with Danny Hurley, a guy who actually has coaching experience.. They don't need to make a "headlines" hire. They tried that with Lavin and it didn't work.
Possible candidates  
KevinBBWC : 3/29/2015 9:07 pm : link
Possible candidates as assistants include Kentucky assistant Barry “Slice” Rorhssen, a Brooklyn native, former Manhattan coach and close friend of Mullin, Iowa State assistant coach Matt Abdelmassih, a St. John’s alum who has had a major hand in the Cyclones’ recent success and knows Mullin well, and Arizona assistant Emanuel “Book” Richardson from The Bronx. Abdelmassih is the lead recruiter for consensus top 10 prospect Cheick Diallo, a previous Lavin target. Mullin could also look to nab a top local recruiter, such as Manhattan assistant Rasheen Davis or Iona assistant Jared Grasso.

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KevinBBWC : 3/29/2015 9:09 pm : link
Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria · 9m 9 minutes ago

Early indications are that Chris Mullin is targeting some very strong recruiters w/ NYC ties...Will be developing in next few days.

he needs  
MookGiants : 3/29/2015 9:14 pm : link
two really strong recruiters as assistants and ideally another assistant with head coaching experience.
rumor is  
viggie : 3/29/2015 9:27 pm : link
his X and Os guy might be PJ carlesimo
This must have been done a while ago...  
Toastt34 : 3/29/2015 9:32 pm : link
The way this whole thing went down with Lavin, St Johns must have had Mullin wrapped up. Who knows if it's a good hire...but it brings a buzz back to the fanbase. Probably not the best way to do business. I know he signed an extension today, but I think Dan Hurley is destined for Seton Hall at some point.
actually i know someone who is on the inside  
viggie : 3/29/2015 9:36 pm : link
said it would take a boatload on money for DH to go back to seton hall. He felt abused by PJ and thought the school never backed him up if you remember that long ago. He doesn't have fond memories of SH at all.
RE: actually i know someone who is on the inside  
Toastt34 : 3/29/2015 9:44 pm : link
In comment 12209737 viggie said:
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said it would take a boatload on money for DH to go back to seton hall. He felt abused by PJ and thought the school never backed him up if you remember that long ago. He doesn't have fond memories of SH at all.


That's actually interesting. I do remember Hurley stepping away from the team for a bit PJ's last season and also just getting tormented by fans. His brother's success didn't do him any favors. But still if they come calling him with a big offer, you have to wonder if something 20 years ago would stop him. Maybe it's a chance at redemption for him. I know that same fanbase that was all over him as a player would welcome him with open arms at this point as a coach. Willard has got to be hanging on by a thread.
willard is  
viggie : 3/29/2015 9:47 pm : link
huge friends with the AD or he would have been toast already. I don't see how they aren't good next season though.
So you're still going to root for UNC  
hudson : 3/29/2015 9:51 pm : link
As your "local" NCAA-B team?
Danny is building something at URI  
sems : 3/29/2015 10:05 pm : link
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That's actually interesting. I do remember Hurley stepping away from the team for a bit PJ's last season and also just getting tormented by fans. His brother's success didn't do him any favors. But still if they come calling him with a big offer, you have to wonder if something 20 years ago would stop him. Maybe it's a chance at redemption for him. I know that same fanbase that was all over him as a player would welcome him with open arms at this point as a coach. Willard has got to be hanging on by a thread.


I think if he leaves Rhode Island it'll be for a way bigger job than Seton Hall...
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