Giants lowballing Stevie Brown (SB Nation article)

what is considered disrespect these days.

How about knowing what a fair market value is for a player who was below average.

NYG paid him nearly $3M last season, and it's not reflective of performance, knee or none.

The vet min is too much.

or he'll sit out the year unless injuries cause a team to call him..

Imo

In 2012, Brown burst upon the scene for the Giants and intercepted eight passes. He had a 71.3 passer rating against and gave up just an average of just 5.4 yards after catch

I wonder what the passer rating would have been without the 8 interceptions? 152?

He was atrocious in 2012 as well but got incredibly lucky to have some balls thrown right to him.

vet min or let him walk. If he is worth more, someone other than the Giants will take a chance.

He should be glad he's even been offered a contract. Do you see anybody else rushing to sign him?

and more importantly his ability to read then take proper angles is a fundamental weakness. For those who want to excuse him because of his injury, it's overlooking reality.

In comment 12210180 Big Blue '56 said:

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or he'll sit out the year unless injuries cause a team to call him.. Imo

Yep.

Stevie should be fortunate he has a job calling him. To me he isn't a starter, but given the team's inexperience, he just might be in case of trouble Berhe or Taylor run into.

I hope both young men are up to the cause.

is still a chunk of cash. Enough to play for if that's what you've decided you'd like to do with your young life.

But it's a brutal business and Brown isn't worth more than that. Guys like him will be available in early September as teams pair down their rosters.

Very little downside for the Giants to wait it out into they get their terms. And when they do sign him (or another guy like him) it'll be more or less plug 'n play. Spagnolo and Merritt should know how to best employ the veteran with warts.

Next to no chance Brown is here beyond 2015 anyway. He's not exactly negotiating from a position of power.

if I was convinced he was going to play better in 2015 than he did in 2014. Maybe it's not a stretch to believe that Brown can rebound as he was coming off injury in 2014, but I think it's a stretch. HE was awful last season.

that with his knee in year 2 from knee surgery, he'll do rather well under Spags..I underscore possible...

Stevie is playing FS largely because he isn't a consistent or physical tackler, despite being a converted LB. He's miscast at FS as well. At FS, he often gambles and guesses wrong, and consistently takes poor angles of pursuit. It's not coincidental that some of the coverage breakdowns from 2012 returned with Stevie in 2014 ...

Stranger things happen, but so far he's a square peg-round hole player, imv.

In comment 12210214 JonC said:

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Stranger things happen, but so far he's a square peg-round hole player, imv.

Unfortunately, it looks that way

refund for last year

Giants have sunk a lot of money in Brown the last two years with very little to show for it.

2012 was a mirage. He's a big safety who lacks quickness and who isn't very physical.

OK bringing him back for the vet minimum to compete in camp, but as others have said, he's not worth more than that. He takes a lot of bad angles.

under Spagnuolo? Is this another magic wand observation? In his high interception year, Brown played the back third of Fewell's Cover 3. He was Fewell's version of Thomas in Seattle's D. Spagnuolo is a Cover 2 Coach. Will Hill played well in 2 for Fewell. So there is no likelihood that Brown will play better for Soagnuolo. However Brown was a good rotational gunner last year. In fact he was better than Bowman, who arrived early a couple of times but forgot to break down in baby steps instead of long strides, which resulted in Bowman getting faked out of his jock. Brown was more controlled. The Giants should try and avoid having their corners double as gunners because they're all so fragile. Harris will help in that regard.

Lastly Brown did not grade nearly as poorly as Rolle by PFF, if that means something to you .

In comment 12210254 RetroJint said:

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under Spagnuolo? Is this another magic wand observation? In his high interception year, Brown played the back third of Fewell's Cover 3. He was Fewell's version of Thomas in Seattle's D. Spagnuolo is a Cover 2 Coach. Will Hill played well in 2 for Fewell. So there is no likelihood that Brown will play better for Soagnuolo. However Brown was a good rotational gunner last year. In fact he was better than Bowman, who arrived early a couple of times but forgot to break down in baby steps instead of long strides, which resulted in Bowman getting faked out of his jock. Brown was more controlled. The Giants should try and avoid having their corners double as gunners because they're all so fragile. Harris will help in that regard. Lastly Brown did not grade nearly as poorly as Rolle by PFF, if that means something to you .

RJ, I emphasized "possible." Not so much because of Spags' schemes. More about Spags' experience in Philly and Baltimore with coaching DBs

he made a couple of nice INT's, but too many uncovered or chasing receiver's from behind is what I remember.

Not exactly news.

otherwise he would have signed with another team.

So no one else is exactly lining up to sign him, but the Giants are disrespecting him for not paying him a contract above vet minimum? That's just silly.

They are simply not going to give him another decent contract because he has done very little for them. He had 1 year with a bunch of very opportunistic INTs, but is bad in coverage overall, isn't a big hitter, and has been even a step slower than his normally average speed since his knee injury. If they bring him back at the vet minimum he would be getting what he "earned".

With whom?

That's why you title and article that way. Anyone who watched the Giants last year know why they're out looking for a safety because the answers were not on the roster.

...wait, that came out wrong...

...wait, that came out wrong...

a better judge of low (and high) balls, maybe he'd get paid more.

And I missed when he was a "popular player."

In comment 12210331 Klaatu said:

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With whom?

He was on here a few year ago. I recall debating the whole playmaker because he got interceptions thing. I never seen one DB in so many lucky spots than Brown found himself in 2012.

I haven't seen Brown sign with anyone else which means his market value, at this point in time, is very, very low.

And for good reason...he was terrible last year.

why isnt there another NFL team making a more competitive offer?

The demand just isn't there, Stevie.

That said he's a JAG imo. Not worth much more than the minimum.

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Jets have a need for a CF type deep S. Would be an easy signing if they thought he could fill that need.

the Giants had no real interest in any other safety, especially for what they were asking. They need at least one more veteran safety to add to the bunch. I think it was a mistake not to bring Rolle back, but it's too late now. Who will the Giants use as their FS? There are more options right now at SS, but I am really concerned that there is very little option there now. Perhaps Berhe or Taylor can step into the role ( no pun intended), but we will be extremely inexperienced there. Giants have to invest in someone, but I'm not sold at all on Brown. Quite the dilemma.

No complaints about a low offer to Brown but why not go with a performance based contract everybody wins. If the player performs then he gets paid if not then he can't cry much since he was not all he claimed to be. Now for the real question ok Brown sucked on the field so why is he the only guy getting low balled because of poor play or injury concerns. It's a a dirty business however why does it seem like some players are not given the dirty side as they should be.

With the way this team performed the last two years it's hard to explain signing any of our free agents at all. Now is the time to show those guys looking for the big payday at the end of this season it's a produce or walk option no in betweens. If the business is dirty then be sure you are being dirty to all concerned.

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The Giant's target got away and I fear they were shortsighted with respect to their own home-grown short-term solution.

I would feel much better about our S situation if it was a bunch of young guys and Rolle. Brown as an alternative doesn't give me a fuzzy feeling.

the NFL minimum he should be very thankful. He is not a good safety. He does have a nose for the ball and can hit like a truck. His coverage skills are below NFL average, IMO.

I'm sure if he sits out the team will be absolutely devastated.

should buy a roll of duct tape at Home Depot and have Cooper-Taylor-Cooper start at FS over Brown. If CT gets injured, tape him up and help him back onto the field.

the interception highlights you would easily see that he was clueless in coverage and against the run

Barely worth this thread...