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Draft chat - Rds 1 and 2, OL and DL

Pep22 : 3/30/2015 12:17 pm
While the idea of Cooper is exciting to imagine and the desperation at safety may lead some to want Collins, most on BBI seem to lean towards OL/DL in Rd 1 and 2.

I think the addition of Selvie is more significant than Ellis. Perhaps another way to put it is that Selvie is more reliable and Ellis may present higher upside but lower downside. I also think DE with Moore and Ayers (to go along with JPP and Selvie) is deeper than the DT spot.

If we were to go DT/OT, would your preference be:

Door # 1:

Rd 1 - your OT of choice, whether Collins, Sherff etc.

Rd 2 - DT Michael Bennett (my favorite in this tier), Armstead, Davis

or

Door # 2:

Rd 1 - DT Shelton (who I don't think is a one trick pony as a NT) or Brown (who I continue to hear good things about, but honestly haven't seen him)

Rd 2 - OG Tomlinson (or Jackson, Cann in that order)

I think either strategy would require a 2nd OL later in the draft. Personally, I like a mock that looks like this:

1 OT Collins
2 DT Bennett
3 S Prewitt or Derron Smith (more of s free than a strong)
4 CB Senquez Golson
5 OG Jamil Douglas or Shaq Mason
6 DE Jermauria Rasco
7 WR Dres Anderson
7a RB Thomas Rawls
More likely it's OL/DE, imv  
JonC : 3/30/2015 12:25 pm : link
We need a starting caliber DE opposite JPP, and we're also in a position where JPP might be gone in a year. A 4-3 scheme needs talent at DE, and NYG is just ok there at best.

Draft Scherff or Peat at #9, and OO or Preston Smith at #40, and you've addressed two big needs with premium talent.

BPAs, of course.
That's not to say draft for needs  
JonC : 3/30/2015 12:26 pm : link
nor is it to say both players will start day one.

But, it is to say you're picking premium positional talent when you should.
Best 4 round draft script position wise imo  
Torrag : 3/30/2015 12:27 pm : link
#9 DE- we need impact defensive players...we have very few
#40 OL- running game and ToP help both the defense and Eli
#74 WR- very strong class...starting caliber will be available
#108 FS- this is the range to get one in this draft
Give me  
jsuds : 3/30/2015 12:29 pm : link

Door #3
Seriously I did not mean that!  
jsuds : 3/30/2015 12:29 pm : link

Door #2

lol!
Torrag  
JonC : 3/30/2015 12:32 pm : link
agreed.
Torrag  
Pep22 : 3/30/2015 12:36 pm : link
would Ray suit you at 9? I think 9 is high for Dupree and don't see another DE that makes sense at 9 (assuming Beasley and Fowler are gone). Yes, I am blurring the lines of OLB and DE for the purposes of this convo.
If one of the top 3 WRs drop I'd have to take one of them first  
sjnyfan : 3/30/2015 12:55 pm : link
before taking one of the top OL although there are a couple I may take before the consensus picks.

I'm probably in the minority but I wouldn't take any of the DL at #9. Depending on how things lie I might consider Beasley but as a 4-3 LB in the Anthony Barr/Von Miller mold. Other than that I'd pass but there are a few DL as well as OL that I like and should be around at 40.
I don't see a clear cut DE at #9  
JonC : 3/30/2015 12:58 pm : link
but, in a positional vacuum DE would be my pick at #9.
Pep  
Torrag : 3/30/2015 1:00 pm : link
If Beasley or DFJ are there it's a no brainer. It's a longshot but stranger things have happened in the draft.

Gregory has probably been significantly downgraded on the Giants board. They take some character risks in the draft but not this high.

Shane Ray has been the better football player of the two imo. The instincts and production are there. He never quits on a play. The question is how do we utilize him.

Bud Dupree has the elite physical profile but is the 13 Wonderlic a factor in his ordinary production.

Ray is currently ranked #9/#11 on GBN/CBS accordingly while Dupree is #21/#16.

I would pick Ray if he's on the highest remaining tier of prospects available.
Ray's speed of play  
Pep22 : 3/30/2015 1:05 pm : link
is impressive, really flies around.
Christ, did you say a 13 Wonderlic???  
CBSGameFace : 3/30/2015 1:25 pm : link
Don't you get 10 points for writing your name?
RE: Christ, did you say a 13 Wonderlic???  
Amtoft : 3/30/2015 1:26 pm : link
In comment 12210439 CBSGameFace said:
Quote:
Don't you get 10 points for writing your name?


No you don't
10 points for writing your name  
Ivan15 : 3/30/2015 4:36 pm : link
You have the Wonderlic confused with your kid's SATs
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