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Draft Profile: Jake Fisher, OL, Oregon

sjnyfan : 3/30/2015 12:33 pm
I've brought him up on a few threads during the OL discussions and wondering what the consensus was.

In today's pass happy, 3 step drop, quick throw NFL I think it's become increasingly important to have more athletic lineman. There may not be a lineman in this class that fits that more than Fisher. To play at Oregon, regardless of position you better be an athlete and he fits that unbelievably well.

At the combine he was 2nd in the 40 (5.01), tied for 2nd in the Vertical (32.5) and 1st in both the 3 cone (7.25) and short shuttle (4.33). For all the talk about Mariota at Oregon's pro day, many scouts came away saying that Fisher had the best performance.

His quick feet makes it easy for him to keep speed rushers at bay but what I like the most is his toughness. His run pro is better than what most give him credit for. To me, he plays with a meaner streak than Scherff or Peat. He plays to and through the whistle. At nearly 6'7", he has the length you want, big hands (over 10") and adequate arm length (nearly 34"). He's also versatile with playing time at LT, RT and RG.

The biggest knock against him is strength. When going against bigger, stronger D-lineman it led to grabbing which would lead to a holding penalty or in some cases him being tossed a bit. However like many spread offenses, lineman play lighter. He was under 300 lbs. this past season but was up to 306 at the combine and I believe 308 at his Pro Day. The good thing is that I think he can still add good weight/strength and be just as effective if not moreso.

His game reminds me alot of Kyle Long and Lane Johnson. Long played at Oregon as an undersized but versatile lineman. He quickly moved up boards during the process and went in the 1st rd to Chicago. In his two years as a pro he's made the Pro Bowl both times as a guard and was 2nd team All-Pro in 2014. Johnson went to Oklahoma initially as a QB that eventually became an OT. After he dominated the Senior Bowl he flew up boards and in the same draft he went 4th overall. Despite a PED suspension, he's still a two year starter at RT for Chip Kelly and his offense. Both played under 300 lbs at college but are now in the 315-320 range without losing a step.

I may be in the minority but I think Fisher is the #1 OT prospect in this class. His combination of experience, versatility, athleticism, toughness and intelligence is valued around the league and it's surprising to me that he's not higher on some experts' boards. I think in our offense I can see him at both guard or both tackle positions although initially I'd plug him in at guard. Either way, he's a good athlete and prospect who will be in the league a long time as a quality starter if not Pro Bowler, in my opinion.
Would he fall to round two  
jsuds : 3/30/2015 12:37 pm : link

in the event Cooper.White are there for us in R1?
I like Scherff best among all the OL prospects  
Eric on Li : 3/30/2015 12:42 pm : link
but Fisher would be my top choice at 40. Obviously don't know if he'll make it there, but I suppose that will depend on how various teams rank him against Humprhies, Peat, Flowers, and Clemmings. Not to mention Collins, Erving, Cann, Tomlinson, Ogbuehi.

Last year there were 7 OL in the first 40 picks, with 4 of them being OTs (Robinson, Matthews, Lewan, James) and 3 of them being G's (Martin, Sua Filo, Bitonio). Seems very likely we will have a choice between a few good OL in the 2nd round.
Good post  
armstead98 : 3/30/2015 12:42 pm : link
Definitely someone to keep an eye on.
Great post  
Pep22 : 3/30/2015 12:43 pm : link
the Kyle Long comp is spot on
Excellent  
AcidTest : 3/30/2015 12:47 pm : link
analysis. I'd be fine with him at #40, although I think you are higher on him than I am. Excellent quickness, takes very good angles, gets to the second level, and is already a top flight tackle in pass protection. I think he did very well against Orchard IIRC. But he needs to get stronger, and right now is a penalty machine. NFL.com says he had six holding penalties in 2014. You can bet there were many others that just weren't called. In the NFL of course, he'll be facing players who are even stronger. But you can teach strength. You can't teach his kind of quickness. Also a hard worker. Right now, he's a better player than Clemmings, but Clemmings might have the bigger upside. The Giants could do a lot worse than Fisher at #40.
I'll do my OL preview  
Sy'56 : 3/30/2015 12:47 pm : link
next week....but I have a high grade on Fisher. Not quite 1st round but in round 2 for NYG he is good value. RT or LT...maybe even OG. Would give NYG options.
RE: I'll do my OL preview  
Big Blue '56 : 3/30/2015 12:50 pm : link
In comment 12210361 Sy'56 said:
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next week....but I have a high grade on Fisher. Not quite 1st round but in round 2 for NYG he is good value. RT or LT...maybe even OG. Would give NYG options.


Yup, that's where USA Today's draft guide has him: Round 1/2
Long went 20th in 2013  
sjnyfan : 3/30/2015 12:58 pm : link
which is where the Eagles pick this year. I can't see him getting past Chip if he's there.
RE: I'll do my OL preview  
sjnyfan : 3/30/2015 12:58 pm : link
In comment 12210361 Sy'56 said:
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next week....but I have a high grade on Fisher. Not quite 1st round but in round 2 for NYG he is good value. RT or LT...maybe even OG. Would give NYG options.


Looking forward to it Sy!
He should be in the mix  
Phil in LA : 3/30/2015 12:59 pm : link
at 40.
Jake fits the Giants preferred physical prototype  
Coach Mason : 3/30/2015 1:17 pm : link
For a LT almost across the board.

If you look at the trend of the guys they have drafted all are quite athletic for their positions and usually have excellent agility numbers especially 3 cone.

Fisher checks all the boxes and is one of the guys that will be in the mix at 40 should we go NON-OL at 40
Lots of work to do technique wise coming from Oregon  
Torrag : 3/30/2015 1:19 pm : link
Plays softer than ideal and is a tough evaluation coming our of that offense imo. I like Erving/Humphries/Tomlinson better for our #40 pick.
non OL at 9  
Coach Mason : 3/30/2015 1:20 pm : link
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I'm confused - in a 3-step drop - quick pass League  
Bob in Newburgh : 3/30/2015 2:06 pm : link
Why do you need athletic o-lineman?

It would seem that inside they just need to not be beaten cleanly and outside they need to force the rusher to take the long way around.

If they do that the ball should be out.
Would be a great pickup in the 2nd rd,  
prdave73 : 3/30/2015 2:18 pm : link
if he even gets there. Posted some amazing numbers, also had one of the fastest 10yd split, very athletic for player his size..
RE: I'm confused - in a 3-step drop - quick pass League  
sjnyfan : 3/30/2015 2:55 pm : link
In comment 12210539 Bob in Newburgh said:
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Why do you need athletic o-lineman?

It would seem that inside they just need to not be beaten cleanly and outside they need to force the rusher to take the long way around.

If they do that the ball should be out.


I would say because defenses are trying to counter that with quicker interior lineman themselves like us with the NASCAR package. Also, look at Aaron Donald from St. Louis. He may already have the quickest first step of any interior D-lineman after only one year. You also have to look out for Double A-Gap blitzes. Teams are using safeties and corners in that spot now to beat the larger, slow footed lineman. Players like Kyle Long, and I think Fisher once in the league stop that.
RE: Lots of work to do technique wise coming from Oregon  
sjnyfan : 3/30/2015 3:01 pm : link
In comment 12210424 Torrag said:
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Plays softer than ideal and is a tough evaluation coming our of that offense imo. I like Erving/Humphries/Tomlinson better for our #40 pick.


Similar things were said about Max Unger and Kyle Long out of that offense as well.
There will likely be a bunch of quality options here  
Coach Mason : 3/30/2015 3:29 pm : link
Erving is my favorite closely followed by Fischer. Then some less versatile but very high quality OGS like Tomlinson , Cann Jackson etc.
I like Erving as well Coach  
sjnyfan : 3/30/2015 3:50 pm : link
I don't think he gets out of the 1st either. Best center in the class by far. Best in the draft since the Pouncey twins. I could see teams like the Chiefs, Cardinals, Ravens or Colts making that move.
Fisher doesn't play with the power our O-Line craves  
Torrag : 3/30/2015 3:55 pm : link
We have enough finesse types. It's time to add some toughness and grit. Scherff/Collins/Tomlinson all have that nasty streak we're lacking.
I agree Torrag about the toughness  
sjnyfan : 3/30/2015 4:06 pm : link
but that's actually why I like Fisher. He plays with all the ingredients you mentioned. Just needs to add good weight. That was the same scenario with Long. He needed to add weight, he did and is now an All-Pro. I think the same could happen with him. He's already put on 10-15 good pounds since the national championship and could or probably will add another 5-10 before the start of the season. Remember, Schwartz played a couple of years in Chip Kelly's system as well and he certainly has the toughness we all seek.
Coach Mason: What is the Giants prototype LT ?  
Ivan15 : 3/30/2015 4:30 pm : link
When was the last time the Giants had a prototype LT?

Are we talking Karl Nelson, Jumbo Elliot?
FWIW,  
TC : 3/30/2015 11:33 pm : link
Boylhart thinks he's a 2nd round pick. Feels he has first round talent, but lousy techniques that need correction and development.

Robby Esch lists him in the top of the 2nd at around #36. But you never know how players will come off the board for so many reasons.
RE: Coach Mason: What is the Giants prototype LT ?  
Coach Mason : 3/31/2015 6:32 am : link
In comment 12210782 Ivan15 said:
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When was the last time the Giants had a prototype LT?

Are we talking Karl Nelson, Jumbo Elliot?


I've responded to this on a number of occasions but think Tyrone Smith, Taylor Lewan and Nate Solder.

All guys with tall lean strong and very agile frames. Doesn't mean they won't deviate but elite footwork is a must. Don't know that any of Scherff, Peat or Collins have that. But the need is great so I guess we'll see.
Need Two OL  
Percy : 3/31/2015 10:27 am : link
This draft. And I do not mean "projects."
Didn't he lead the nation...  
Modus Operandi : 3/31/2015 11:30 am : link
In holding penalties? Appears the problem is more than simply technique to me.
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