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2016 NFL Draft Preview - TE

Sy'56 : 3/30/2015 1:09 pm
*Below are my published, abbreviated reports via Ourlads Scouting Services, LLC

**A note about Pro Upside Comparisons: These are comparisons that are based on the player reaching his ceiling. It does not necessarily mean I believe the player will “be as good as”

CURRENT TEs ON THE NYG ROSTER

Larry Donnell – 27 years old – Signed through 2015

Daniel Fells – 32 years old – Signed through 2015

Adrien Robinson – 27 years old – Signed through 2015

Jerome Cunningham – 24 years old – Signed through 2015

WHERE THEY STAND

One could argue the tight end group is the worst on this roster. Donnell showed signs of being a rare player with his ability to get up and after the ball. There is some wide receiver type ability to him and he has the tools to be a dominant player but he will need to enhance his skills and consistency. He was a major source of frustration on different occasions in 2014 and his big plays don’t overshadow that. Behind him there are a bunch of guys that can easily be replaced by better talent. While you could be worse off than Fells at backup, he doesn’t do anything particularly well. Robinson has been a complete non factor his entire career after somehow being labeled the infamous “JPP of TEs” by Jerry Reese. There isn’t anything about his game that warrants him being on this roster. As a matter of fact, Cunningham can likely do more for this team than Robinson. This team is really hurting at the TE position and it’s a spot that could make a significant impact on the hopeful resurgence of this team.

TOP 10 GRADES AND ANALYSIS

1 – Maxx Williams – Minnesota – 6’4/249 - 78

Pro Upside Comparison – John Carlson/ARI

Strong Points: Fast and agile player with a great blend of tools and skills. Long with wiry strength. A weapon after the catch that shows the ability to gain yards using a variety of avenues. Can break tackles and fall forward but also wiggle his way out of contact and run away from defenders. Excellent ball skills. Sees the ball in and shows no hesitation in extending his body for the ball. Tough over the middle and in traffic. High points the ball. Can turn and adjust his body in the air with ease. Consistent mechanics as a blocker. Gets his hands inside and keeps his feet chopping. High effort down the field as a blocker in space. Can handle speed and power.

Weak Points: Rounds his routes when turning laterally. Slow to get his head around. Average movement in and out of breaks. Light in the pants, doesn’t generate a lot of strength or power from his base. Doesn’t make a big, physical impact as a blocker.

Summary: Third year sophomore, early entry. 1st Team All American. Son of former 1st round pick Brian Williams, whom played center for the New York Giants for a decade. Williams led the Gophers in receiving both seasons he was on the active roster. He lines up all over the field and has showed the ability to wear every hat a tight end could potentially wear in the NFL within any system. He excels as a down-the-seam receiver where he knows how to use his size, speed, and ball skills in traffic. He is a weapon near the end zone because of the matchup problems that his talents presents. He needs to get stronger to handle life in the trenches, but he has the potential to be a big piece to any NFL offense.


*I don’t see Williams as a first round caliber talent but with this TE class being overly weak, he could sneak in there somewhere. I think he is a tough kid that can make a lot of touch catches, but he isn’t the kind of TE that scares anyone. We aren’t talking about a supreme athlete here and really, he isn’t that good of a blocker. Weak lower body. That would bother me if I brought him in to be a starting TE unless we were talking about an elite athlete and pass catcher.

2 – Ben Koyack – Notre Dame – 6’5/255 – 77

Upside Pro Comparison – Anthony Fasano/TEN

Strong Points: Every down player that was mostly a blocking tight end until 2014. Squares defenders up and locks on to their numbers with knee bend and active feet. Has the strength and power to handle defensive linemen, but also the quickness and body control to stick with linebackers and defensive backs. Has big and strong hands. Easy catcher of the ball, swallows it on contact. Will come down with a lot of passes in traffic. Hard nosed, shows no hesitation over the middle. Can take hits and keep going. Smart route runner against zone, finds the vacancies and shows his numbers to the QB.

Weak Points: Limited athlete. Lacks the top end speed to factor downfield. Won’t get behind a secondary. Struggles to separate from athletic cover men. Limited route tree possibilities with him. Won’t get up over the defender in jump ball situations. Needs to be in proper position to make plays, won’t create on his own.

Summary: Fourth year senior. Played behind some very good tight end prospects throughout his career. Koyack didn’t really receive an opportunity to be the every down tight end and passing game asset until 2014. He took advantage of the throws made his way though, proving to be much more than just a very good blocker. Koyack has some of the most natural, easy catching hands among tight ends in this class. He looks the ball in and consistently shows minimal struggle in doing so. He lacks some of the top tier athletic traits that you look for in a receiver, but his plus ability to block any kind of defender plus his sure hands can get him a starting job in the NFL soon.


*Probably the most overlooked TE in the class. This guy can be a starter and I think he is just a step below Tyler Eifert and Troy Niklas. His ball skills were put on display at the combine and Senior Bowl and we all already knew he was a positive factor in the run game. I think NYG could grab him in round 2 or 3 and get the perfect compliment and even backup option to Donnell should he not work out. The improvement needed in the run blocking part of the offense doesn’t end with the linemen. They need more presence out of their TEs.

3 – Nick O’Leary – Florida State – 6’3/252 – 76

Upside Pro Comparison – Garrett Graham/HOU

Strong Points: Does all of the little things exceptionally well. Shows a pop out of his stance when blocking, setting his feet and timing his initial punch to the defender well. All-out hustler no matter what his role is on the play. Can pass block very well when asked to with his quick feet, proper hand placement and strong upper body. Reads the defense with ease and can run the option routes correctly. Can run himself open with consistency. Locates the ball and can alter his body position when going after the ball. Strong and consistent hands. If he can touch the pass, he will bring it in. Accurate ball skills when it comes to timing and location of his hands. Effective in traffic. Knows how to use his body to shield off defenders in traffic. A bruising runner with the ball in his hands. Breaks a lot of tackles. Plays hard through the whistle.

Weak Points: Shorter than ideal. Lacks the size and runaway speed that most are looking for in a top tier tight end. Routes tend to be rounded when running to the outside. Struggles to get behind a defense. His deep speed is average. Doesn’t run away from a lot of defenders. The effort is there as a blocker but his upside there may be limited. Very short arms.

Summary: The former high school #1 tight end recruit and grandson of Jack Nicklaus is favored to with the Mackey Award. An old school football player that shows a complete and versatile style. O’Leary is an all-out hustler that does all of the little things well. His less-than-ideal size and speed rarely show up on tape. He has elite ball skills and might be the most dependable blocker of any tight end in the class. A gritty gamer with the ability to fit in to any scheme right away as a starter.


*The biggest disappointment I’ve seen with O’Leary since the season ended was at the combine. I’m not huge on measurables but they are part of the process. He has the shortest arms among all the tight ends in this class by a wide margin. It’s not a huge deal but it hurt his grade by a point or two. Otherwise, O’Leary is one of my favorites. He is a blue collar guy that you just know will find a way to produce. Maybe he makes a move to H-Back type, possibly even a pass catching full back type. But all I know about him is he is a football player in every sense of the word and he will help a team. Limited upside but he is one of the safest bets in the entire class.

4 – Jeff Heuerman – Ohio State – 6’5/254 - 75

Upside Pro Comparison – Jason Witten/DAL

Strong Points: Tall with long arms and a powerful frame from head to toe. Excels as a blocker in the trenches. Fires out of his stance hard with good knee bend and heavy hands. Gets those hands inside and control the defender upon contact. Can swing his hips in to the hole and keep his feet chopping. Can move defenders, makes the effort to drive them out of the play. Understands body positioning to maximize his presence as a blocker. Has sneaky speed up the seam. Can get past that second level and turn his head around. Soft and big hands, can swallow the ball. Shows the ability to get up in traffic and come down with the ball. Tough as nails. Consistently puts his body on the line.

Weak Points: Lacks an explosive element to his game. Won’t run away from defenders the ball in is hands. Doesn’t miss tacklers or show ability to break free after the catch. Won’t turn in traffic with quickness and precision as a route runner. Wasn’t used a lot as a receiver, limited route tree experience.

Summary: Fourth year senior and three year starter. Heuerman is one of the top all around tight ends in this class. He has top notch blocking ability, showing the potential to move defensive linemen and completely overwhelm linebackers. His technique and strength are both NFL ready right now. Because of the Ohio State scheme, his role as a receiver was diminished. However he produced well when given the opportunity, showing glimpses of being a difference maker downfield and in traffic. He can be a much more productive pro than he was in college while providing a reliable blocking presence at the point of attack.


*There is a high amount of the unknown with Heuerman because of what his role within the OSU offense was. He has upper tier ability to block at the point of attack and in space but when he was asked to run the seam and display ball skills, he consistently delivered. He is a better than advertised athlete and could be a say one starter in the NFL. NYG appears to be ready to give Donnell the long term starting job but even his strongest supporters need to admit he has only showed glimpses. Heuerman, at the very least, presents an every down backup and credible run blocking presence to aid the process of improving the rushing attack.

5 – Clive Walford – Miami - 6’4/251 - 74

Upside Pro Comparison – Dwayne Allen/IND

Strong Points: Big, thick bodied all around tight end that can be on the field every play. Strong upper body with a powerful punch. Good hands catcher, swallows the ball and controls it upon contact. Sneaky acceleration and speed in space, can outrun linebackers and some defensive backs. Reliable and tough in traffic. Good ball reaction. Will put his body on the line over the middle. Shields defenders from making plays on the ball. Good body control and balance. Very stable as a blocker, able to maintain his center of gravity.

Weak Points: Slow out of his stance. Doesn’t have explosive change of direction or agility. Won’t split the seam against a Cover 2 defense. Rounded routes, can be slow in and out of his breaks. Does not live up to the billing as a blocker that his strength suggests he should. Won’t overpower defenders or keep his feet chopping. Lacks the flexibility to bend at his knees and while keeping his chest up. Tore his right MCL late in 2014 but is expected to be out for just two months.

Summary: Former basketball player that played just one year of prep football prior to joining Miami. Walford really started to come in to his own in 2014, proving to be one of the more productive tight ends in the nation. He moved with more speed and quickness than his previous years, showing that the light may be turning on for him. He needs to work on blocking technique and consistency, but the tools are there to be an all around, complete tight end. Teams will need to spend some extra attention examining his knee, but he is expected to make a full recovery.


*Walford has the natural length and thickness to factor as a quality three down tight end in the NFL. He isn’t fast, but he’s fast enough. He isn’t quick, but he’s quick enough. He isn’t a great blocker, but he blocks well enough. He isn’t a big time receiving threat, but he catches the ball well enough. There is a limited upside here but he can work his way in to a starting role down the road. He is still evolving as a football player more so than some of these other tight ends. NYG could be a good spot for him because he won’t be needed right away on an every down basis and he could use the extra time to improve the finer points.

6 – Rory Anderson – South Carolina – 6’5/244 – 71

Upside Pro Comparison - Ladarius Green/SD

Strong Points: Explosive from a standstill. Quick acceleration up the seam and forces the defense to react to him. Shows the ball skills to come down with the pass in traffic. Balanced and full of body control when turning and twisting his body. Aware of where he is on the field in relation to the sidelines and first down markers. Shows the instincts to find the vacant lanes within a zone defense. High effort blocker that shows more presence than his body type would lead you to believe. Shows the mechanics and flexibility to factor in the run game.

Weak Points: Inconsistent pass catcher, will drop easy balls. Let’s the ball in to his body, needs to improve the consistency of hand usage. Doesn’t run crisp routes, will round his lateral turns. Takes too long to come back to the football. Needs to increase leg power so he can be a better in line drive blocker. Has had issues staying healthy and missed some as a result of different muscle-related injuries.

Summary: Fourth year senior and two-plus year starter. Anderson shows athletic-based flashes of being a big time player. With his height and ball skills, he can be a tough matchup for defenses to deal with. Anderson is too fast for the average linebacker, but his size can be too overwhelming for the average defensive back. While his ability to catch the ball is at the top of his resume, he is a better than average blocker. He shows effort and initial pop but will need to get stronger to play in the NFL trenches. His number one issue revolves around both of his triceps being torn and forcing him to both miss games and play hampered in others. If that checks out and he can start his strength training without hiccups, Anderson has very high potential.


*If it weren’t for the two separate tears of his triceps and lingering hamstring issues, Anderson is a top 4 tight end in this class at worst. He has better movement than everyone outside of Williams, and shows enough promise as a blocker to not be labeled a receiving-only player. If he can be had late day three, NYG would be smart to at least give him a long look based on what he can do right now and what he could become down the road.

7 – Jesse James – Penn State – 6’7/261 – 71

Upside Pro Comparison – Levine Toilolo/ATL

Strong Points: Good body awareness in traffic. Can position his large and lengthy frame to shield the defender from making a play on the ball. Reliable and tough in traffic. Willingly puts his body on the line. Strong and reliable hands. Can use his size to get over a defender and come down with the ball. Good leaper that times it well. Quick acceleration when running up the seam. Savvy with the ball in his hands, good vision and tough to bring down for a lone defender. Fires out of his stance low and hard. Reacts to the ball well, adjusts his body and plucks the ball. Works hard as a blocker, takes pride in that part of the position’s role. Can bend well and get his hands inside. Willing to get downfield and make the extra block.

Weak Points: Slow to get his head around when running lateral routes. Doesn’t show that athleticism when getting in and out of breaks. Plays a high game as a route runner. Not a dynamic athlete that scares defenses over the top. Limited speed and won’t run away from defensive backs. Catches defenders when blocking rather than delivering the punch. Doesn’t get a push, won’t drive them out of a lane.

Summary: Junior entry. Long frame with great height and reach. Reliable underneath receiver that creates massive matchup problems. James is a weapon on third down and near the end zone because of his body awareness and ability to get open enough. He is a tough cover in traffic and has proven to be a guy that can come down with a lot of passes when surrounded by defenders. He may not have ideal athleticism but he can make up for it with a savvy and reliable style. Limited, but reliable starter potential.


*I want to like James more than where I have him graded. He is big, tough, and reliable. You know what you are getting out of James each and every play of each and every week. That’s not always easy to find. I just wish he had a quicker twitch to his game when running routes and after the catch. In addition, a guy with this size and strength should be a better blocker. I don’t want to look down on his effort without credible evidence, but I simply question it. If he is a day three option, I think he offers the upside of a starter down the road.

8 – Nick Boyle – Delaware – 6’4/268 - 71

Upside Pro Comparison – Alex Bayer/STL

Strong Points: Every down player with plus size and quickness. Explosive in short areas with easy change of direction and acceleration. Big and soft hands, can swallow the ball upon contact. Adjusts well to passes thrown away from his body. Can reach down, up, laterally for the ball. Shows toughness after the catch. Will run defenders over or jump over them, versatile athlete.

Weak Points: Top end speed is below average. Won’t be a guy that strikes fear in to the secondary. Struggles to work his way up the seam. Not the dominant blocker that a guy at his size playing at a lower level of college football should be. Will get good initial contact but doesn’t stick to his man, lacks consistent technique. Effort appears to be different as a blocker than what I see when as a receiver.

Summary: Fourth year senior. All time leader among tight ends in receptions in school history. All American in 2014 at a lower level of college football. Also has the ability to deep snap. Boyle looks the part and will surprise you with good ball skills and short area quickness. He can plant his foot and make quick cuts, showing consistent ability to get open underneath. He is a limited athlete, however. In addition, he needs to become more physical and play to his size. That transition to the NFL will be tough for him, this he will be a developmental prospect with starter upside.


*Initially this is a guy that is easy to like. He has the thick and long frame to go along with smooth ball skills and a surprising ability after the catch to gain extra yards. The more I watch however, the more I see a guy that really shouldn’t have been playing at a level higher than D-I AA. For a guy weighing nearly 270 pounds, how come he didn’t control defenders as a blocker? That was a little bothersome and factoring that he is a limited upside athlete pushed him down to the day three tier at best.

9 – Tyler Kroft – Rutgers – 6’6/246 – 70

Upside Pro Comparison – Gary Barnidge/CLE

Strong Points – Long and quick twitch athlete with an ideal frame for the position. Runs good routes up the seam. Can keep defenders off balance with last second commitments to his intended route. Runs well, comfortable long strider with the speed to outrun linebackers. Easy catching motion when he’s in space. High effort player. Shows the desire to mix it up in the trenches as a run blocker. Quick release out of his three point stance and from the slot. Can eat up a cushion to the safety fast.

Weak Points: Lacks a physical power presence. Doesn’t control defenders as a blocker, doesn’t give them the initial jolt. Slow reaction to what the defense throws at him. Does not have the speed to outrun defensive backs. Questionable toughness over the middle and in traffic. Doesn’t always extend his arms when going after the ball. Too much of a body catcher.

Summary: Kroft is an easy moving, smooth athlete with a lot of size potential. He has a long frame with good height for the position. That size combined with his speed and quickness when changing directions can make him a reliable short and intermediate receiving option for any offense. He has the leaping ability over the middle. Kroft’s main weakness revolves around his physical nature. He doesn’t control defenders while blocking, nor does he drive second level defenders out of the action. Too often he is found being driven back by his assignment. He needs to add a lot of strength before he can be relied upon as an every down threat. Until then, Kroft can help any offense out with his versatility to line up anywhere to create matchup problems for the defense. He has plenty of potential as a receiver but will need time to factor as a blocker.


*There are a lot of up and down views on Kroft, respectively. He susprised me by coming out early but I can understand why he did. There is a lot of physical talent here, as he may be one of the top 3 athletes at the position in the entire class. He is a developmental player for sure, though. He wont be able to hack it as a blocker early on in his career and we aren’t talking about a receiver that will scare a defense. You could do much worse on day three and NYG does have the time and situation to develop him the right way.

10 – Gerald Christian – Louisville – 6’3/244 – 69

Upside Pro Comparison – Delanie Walker/TEN

Strong Points: Physically gifted athlete. Has the burst out of his stance to gain separation right off the snap. Good change of direction ability. Balanced athlete with the consistent body control and awareness. Big and strong hands. Swallows the ball upon contact. Has eyebrow-raising movement ability with the ball in his hands. Physical and willing blocker that seems to enjoy mixing it up with defenders. Takes pride in owning his man at the line of scrimmage.

Weak Points: Does not run his routes as well as his athleticism says he should. Doesn’t get a push as a blocker. Gets too grabby and will allow the defender to get inside position. Doesn’t extend for the ball in traffic or over the middle. Effort and intensity levels are inconsistent.

Summary: Transferred to Louisville from Florida in 2012. Has the tool set to make his mark as a receiving tight end in the league but didn’t show consistency. Christian will make plays in every game that will cause coaches and scouts alike to think of what may be. He is a gifted athlete that needs to refine his skill sets. High upside prospect.


*NYG likes WRs and TEs with big hands, and Christian has the biggest mitts in the draft among pass catchers. I’m not sure what the deal is with him. He moves as well as anyone in the nation among TEs here and there every time I watched Louisville, but his effort wasn’t always there. And then he put out poor workout times. Maybe there is a motivation issue with him but I just can’t get away from this kid. I see things in him that scream high ceiling. Worth a gamble late in the draft for NYG.

TOP UDFA SLEEPER:

AJ Derby – Arkansas – 6’4/255

*Started off at Iowa as a QB then transferred to a junior college, then to Arkansas. Didn’t make the move to TE until 2014 and he became a highly discussed player among coaches in the SEC. Had be been there since the start of his career, I think Derby is being talked about as a top 45 overall talent. I’ve seen him outrun the Alabama defensive backs and I’ve seen him control the point of attack against their line. Derby has the toughness and awareness to expedite his progression quicker than most that make such a late position change.

NYG APPROACH

Similar to the QB group, this is the weakest I have seen as a whole since I have been grading players. However you don’t need to find an every down starter/contributor at the position for him to factor as a player that will help the team win unlike the approach with drafting a QB. So with that said, even though this class lacks some star power, there is a good enough blend of tools and skills here that can help NYG get more out of the position.

Last year I spoke of Larry Donnell as the lone guy on the roster with legitimate long term upside. He broke out in 2014 with a few solid games and displayed his tools and developing skills. He can do things physically that a lot of TEs in this league cannot. Because we are still unsure about how good of an actual football player he is, NYG would be smart to use a pick on someone that has some long term upside or a player that can take some pressure off Donnell as a blocker. There are some guys lower on my grade list that may be a better fit on this team than guys on the top. I would avoid the TE position for the first two or three rounds and then look for the value of a guy that drops. O’Leary and Koyack aren’t fits for every team, thus I could see them available on day 4 and it would present outstanding value. They could opt to wait until the end of the draft or even UDFA period and give a tools-rich and/or raw prospect a year to sit on the practice squad while Donnell gets another season to show progress, something he earned.
One could argue the tight end group is the worst on this roster.  
Torrag : 3/30/2015 1:27 pm : link
Bit of an overstatement imo. Donnell made plays and shows improvement. Fells belongs on an NFL roster. Safety and LG are in much worse shape.
Analysis bears out what is commonly held to be a poor class at TE  
Torrag : 3/30/2015 1:28 pm : link
Good read thanks.
Thanks, Sy! I love these  
GiantBlue : 3/30/2015 1:38 pm : link
I save these for the draft.....they are that good!!!!
Koyack is the one TE I've had my eye on  
blueblood : 3/30/2015 1:46 pm : link
and I think he would compliment Donnell well.
Getting a little ahead of ourselves aren't we?  
Jay in Saratoga : 3/30/2015 1:49 pm : link
Could we focus on the 2015 draft for now?
Thank You Sy  
Aloha Alan : 3/30/2015 1:55 pm : link
for again telling the world how worthless Adrien Robinson is. He is not the JPP of TEs. He is the vomitosis of TEs.

It just kills me to see how each year we waste a roster space on our team with him.

Mad Maxx would be great, but he is not making it to 40.

Thanks for all you do for us here at BBI.
Sy  
blapre74 : 3/30/2015 2:00 pm : link
great work, thx. :) Giants have worked out the Rutgers kid, maybe with one of the 7th rounders?
thanks again Sy.  
Victor in CT : 3/30/2015 2:07 pm : link
A Fasano type wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for the Giants.

Couldn't agree more about the "JPP of Tight Ends". Complete waste of a roster spot.

Can't really go wrong with a guy by the name of Jesse James can you?  
Curtis in VA : 3/30/2015 2:18 pm : link
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O-Line in the 1st and....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 3/30/2015 2:22 pm : link
Mad Maxx in the 2nd!!
Donnell is 265 and can't block well. Most of the draft class is 250ish  
Marty in Albany : 3/30/2015 2:24 pm : link
What gives?
I don't mind keeping Fells for another year.  
Klaatu : 3/30/2015 2:31 pm : link
He's a veteran who knows the system, and as your second or third Tight End he's okay.

But I'd sure like to see the Giants draft someone who could kick the MIA of Tight Ends completely off the roster. What a waste.
Cool.....Klaatu and I  
Aloha Alan : 3/30/2015 2:43 pm : link
wish Miss Cincinnati Bearcat is off the roster, too.
Hell yeah, Alan.  
Klaatu : 3/30/2015 2:53 pm : link
Get that chili-on-spaghetti eatin' schlub the hell out of here.
Hell, I thought Miss Bearcat and MIA  
ColHowPepper : 3/30/2015 3:05 pm : link
were one and the same....

Now, since JR put the SB countdown clock in the team dressing room at the beginning of the 2013 season, I think it's only fit that some players, or maybe some well intentioned owners, put the video of Jerry's interview after day 3 of the 2012 draft saying "We think we drafted the JPP of TEs", in the war room, with rolling replays, on high volume.

Donnell can't block for shinola.
Heuerman wouldn't be a bad 4th round pick  
jeff57 : 3/30/2015 3:07 pm : link
And he's a team captain.
Sy'56, yet again, great piece of work  
ColHowPepper : 3/30/2015 3:07 pm : link
A question on your work for Ourlads: when you say these are your published scouting reports, how many scout contributors publish player assessments for Ourlads and how does a subscriber know, if he does, whose work product he's reading at a given position?

Again, congratulations on landing this gig, very well deserved!
The TE rankings are all over the place  
Anakim : 3/30/2015 3:27 pm : link
Like Mayock has Mycole Pruitt as his #2 TE. Charles Davis is high on Wes Saxton.
LOL @ nick o leary as an NFL TE  
MiamiHurricaneFan : 3/30/2015 3:29 pm : link
guy is slow and unathletic. the guy will be out of the NFL and boucning NIGHT CLUBS in the Tampa Area after his 2 year stint in the NFL.
I really like Boyle out of Delaware  
sjnyfan : 3/30/2015 3:41 pm : link
Big body and soft hands. I agree he gets in and out of breaks as well as any TE in this class. It's too bad the 40 time was what it was. More than anything I want him on this team for blocking. He's the best blocking TE in this class. I definitely think there's a place in the league for him and he'll be around for a long time. He could be a younger, more productive version of Daniel Fells for us. He may not put fear in a secondary but I think he can be a decent red zone threat.

Speaking of red zone, what are your thoughts on Oklahoma's Blake Bell, Sy? I know he's a bit of a project and has only one year of production at the position but I'd rather take my chances with him than keep Robinson on the team. 24 rushing TDs and 4 receiving TDs for a former QB recruit isn't bad. I like his athleticism, size and pedigree. I know it's not much but I think it helps considering his father was a former NFL TE and uncle was a pretty decent DE.
I'd like to get O'Leary  
SomeFan : 3/30/2015 3:54 pm : link
if in a later found and roll the dice with the guys we have.
Thanks for excellent write-up....  
jsuds : 3/30/2015 3:56 pm : link
From your observations this is the guy I'd target in the later rounds....

4 – Jeff Heuerman – Ohio State – 6’5/254 - 75
And...isn't this for this years draft even though it says 2016?  
jsuds : 3/30/2015 3:57 pm : link
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Oleary's upside comp?  
KWALL2 : 3/30/2015 4:13 pm : link
A smaller and slower Brandon Myers (with shorter arms too). I wouldn't even bring him in as an unsigned FA. I don't think we'll even see him play in the NFL as a TE.

The question I have about Kroft is "where were you all year?"

He did nothing all year. It wasn't the QB either. Nova can make throws. And the OC is an exceptional offensive mind. Friedgen was in Maryland when Vernon Davis was there. If he has a matchup at TE he would use it. So where were you in 2014 Tyler Kroft?

I think you're overrating his movement. He doesn't make sharp cuts to separate. He can pluck and catch with his hands but getting open may be the issue in the NFL.
Appreciate  
est1986 : 3/30/2015 5:08 pm : link
The posts Sy'
Heuerman  
Dragon : 3/30/2015 5:32 pm : link
Is the only TE in this darft I would select and only in the fifth or later. The TE class is very poor but he has the size and tools to become a very good 2nd TE or starter posibly. The rest of this TE class comes with way to many faults or size and speed limitations. Should the Giants waste pick number 40 or 74 on Williams then I would loose all respect for our scouts. Williams is not a top 100 much less 40 guy in this draft group his size, speed and strength are all well below average at best. Just as they felt the FA group was weak the TE class is much worse for everyone to see.
Thanks!  
Paul326 : 3/30/2015 6:26 pm : link
Great write up.
Donnell gets this year to continue his development  
raever : 3/30/2015 6:57 pm : link
Draft a mid to late round TE with an eye to upgrading Fells/Robinson.
Thanks Sy  
mrvax : 3/30/2015 8:08 pm : link
This looks like a good target: 2 – Ben Koyack – Notre Dame – 6’5/255 – 77.

We really need a Howard Cross that can occasionally catch. Even 30-35 passes per year are OK.

Why Robinson is still on the team pisses me off. We had a very good blocker in John Conner but they cut him and keep a guy who brings nothing. It's shit moves like this that holds the team back a little with each shit player they coddle. I'd have cut him loose the same day they shit-canned Brewer. They could have helped each other clean out their lockers. I want to own an NFL team.
wow, the S word 3x there  
idiotsavant : 3/30/2015 8:25 pm : link
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Williams' upside is John Carlson?  
Bill in UT : 3/30/2015 9:49 pm : link
No thank you
RE: Oleary's upside comp?  
Sy'56 : 3/30/2015 10:21 pm : link
In comment 12210750 KWALL2 said:
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A smaller and slower Brandon Myers (with shorter arms too). I wouldn't even bring him in as an unsigned FA. I don't think we'll even see him play in the NFL as a TE.

The question I have about Kroft is "where were you all year?"

He did nothing all year. It wasn't the QB either. Nova can make throws. And the OC is an exceptional offensive mind. Friedgen was in Maryland when Vernon Davis was there. If he has a matchup at TE he would use it. So where were you in 2014 Tyler Kroft?

I think you're overrating his movement. He doesn't make sharp cuts to separate. He can pluck and catch with his hands but getting open may be the issue in the NFL.


I am putting myself out on a limb with O'Leary, I know. He is short and has no length to him. It's a combo that a lot of teams hate to work with. He isn't a big time athlete either. I just think he outplays his talent level consistently and he is tougher than nails. He outplayed defenders that were far more talented than him routinely. I will say he needs a specific role in a specific scheme to succeed.
specific role in a specific scheme?  
MiamiHurricaneFan : 3/31/2015 2:06 am : link
what does that even mean?

the guy si ssmall and unathletic...the guy is not made for the NFL.
RE: Heuerman wouldn't be a bad 4th round pick  
Optimus-NY : 3/31/2015 3:45 am : link
In comment 12210628 jeff57 said:
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And he's a team captain.


Good point
RE: specific role in a specific scheme?  
Sy'56 : 3/31/2015 3:56 am : link
In comment 12211234 MiamiHurricaneFan said:
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what does that even mean?

the guy si ssmall and unathletic...the guy is not made for the NFL.


Chris Cooley would not have had success in every scheme. Same with a few quality, high producing tight ends. Graham may have never become the name he is if he played for a team like Pittsburgh.
SY  
MiamiHurricaneFan : 3/31/2015 6:54 am : link
so can you explain what kind of scheme you're referring too?

there are plenty of TE's in this draft would put up the exact or better numbers if they were in NIck O leary shoes.
RE: Thanks Sy  
section125 : 3/31/2015 8:31 am : link
In comment 12211054 mrvax said:
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This looks like a good target: 2 – Ben Koyack – Notre Dame – 6’5/255 – 77.

We really need a Howard Cross that can occasionally catch. Even 30-35 passes per year are OK.



mrvax, why would you want half of a tightend? They don't need a Howard Cross. You could put an 80s number on a backup OL and get Howard Cross. If blocking is so important, forget the catching part of the position and just put an extra olineman out there.
RE: SY  
Mike in NY : 3/31/2015 8:38 am : link
In comment 12211267 MiamiHurricaneFan said:
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so can you explain what kind of scheme you're referring too?

there are plenty of TE's in this draft would put up the exact or better numbers if they were in NIck O leary shoes.


O'Leary needs to be in a scheme that would use him on the move. More of a WCO that runs a quick passing game. When I have seen him he needs to be more in space than lined up against a guy and he has the ability to exploit holes in zone coverage. This is the type of player you take a chance on on Day 3 if you can find a role for him
RE: SY  
Sy'56 : 3/31/2015 9:16 am : link
In comment 12211267 MiamiHurricaneFan said:
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so can you explain what kind of scheme you're referring too?

there are plenty of TE's in this draft would put up the exact or better numbers if they were in NIck O leary shoes.


West Coast and the several offenses that have a few WCO tendencies. Teams that like to get their tight ends on the move pre-snap. Some TEs have a knack for using their motion to their advantage against defenders. They can trick cover men in to thinking one way while they have different intentions. O'Leary routinely did that at FSU for three years, especially on 3rd-and-under-8 and in the end zone.

Chris Cooley was very good at this for WAS for a few seasons. Garrett Graham does it well in HOU. Owen Daniels does it well...these are guys that can take more advantage of starting each play off on the move more so than others.
????????  
Doomster : 3/31/2015 1:34 pm : link
One could argue the tight end group is the worst on this roster.


Totally disagree.....when you look at the total starts of Fells, Donnell, and Robinson, and yet, they produced 84 catches, 853 yards, and 11 td's from that position, with basically no experience....name all the TE's in the NFL that eclipsed those numbers?

Fact is, I think Donnell, if he can stay away from the injury bug, and protect the ball better, he will have a big year....take a look at his stats and Witten's stats, last......and I think we lose him to free agency next year.....

So guess what, the Giants will be be looking for a TE in 2016......again.....
RE: ????????  
Sy'56 : 3/31/2015 3:05 pm : link
In comment 12211846 Doomster said:
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One could argue the tight end group is the worst on this roster.


Totally disagree.....when you look at the total starts of Fells, Donnell, and Robinson, and yet, they produced 84 catches, 853 yards, and 11 td's from that position, with basically no experience....name all the TE's in the NFL that eclipsed those numbers?

Fact is, I think Donnell, if he can stay away from the injury bug, and protect the ball better, he will have a big year....take a look at his stats and Witten's stats, last......and I think we lose him to free agency next year.....

So guess what, the Giants will be be looking for a TE in 2016......again.....


As I said I am more than willing to give Donnell another shot. I think he can be good. But there are probably 20+ tight end depth charts as a whole I would take over what NYG has at the moment.
Not one of the TEs  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/31/2015 3:25 pm : link
Signed after this season. Not a good long term plan
RE: Not one of the TEs  
giants#1 : 3/31/2015 3:34 pm : link
In comment 12212003 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Signed after this season. Not a good long term plan


Donnell is an RFA next offseason, so if they want to keep him, they likely will.
Harold Spears best TE in CAA  
Chip : 3/31/2015 4:04 pm : link
Not Boyle.
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MyCole Pruitt...  
gogiants : 3/31/2015 6:34 pm : link
has impressive reception stats. A nice 3rd or 4th round choice
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Thanks, Sy. I enjoy the detail and the way you back up all of your  
Ira : 3/31/2015 6:46 pm : link
evaluations. I think we should leave te alone in this draft unless someone worthwhile falls to 6 or 7.
I agree that he's not the most athletic  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/31/2015 7:14 pm : link
and it's going to limit his ceiling in the NFL.

But Maxx Williams probably has some of the best hands of any TE prospect I've ever seen. He might have the best hands in this class including the WRs.

Just based on that alone I feel like he's going to find his way to make an impact in this league. I wouldn't take him at #9 but I'd think long and hard if he's there at 40.
Don't think so.....  
Doomster : 3/31/2015 9:17 pm : link
RE: Not one of the TEs
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In comment 12212003 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Signed after this season. Not a good long term plan


Donnell is an RFA next offseason, so if they want to keep him, they likely will.


He may be restricted, but if he has a big year, we may have another JPP situation......he was forced by the Giants, to accept their offer this year, thus making less money than Fells.....think that doesn't rub him the wrong way? If he has a big season, he will sign with another team, if they are willing to overpay...and since he wasn't drafted, they don't have to give compensation...

And once again, we will be looking for a TE...
So what?  
Klaatu : 3/31/2015 10:28 pm : link
Have you looked at the 2016 UFA TE market? Plenty of young talent will be available, and the Giants will have plenty of money to spend. Maybe the Fleenerites will get their wish at long last, who knows?

I hope the Giants draft a good TE prospect this year because Fells is getting up there in age and Robinson blows...not because I'm worried about losing Larry Donnell. He's nowhere near indispensable.
Sy  
KWALL2 : 4/1/2015 12:04 am : link
He sure isn't a big time athlete. People writing that he has even "average speed" are severely overrating him. His speed/quickness/explosiion is well below average. I place it in the undraftable range for somebody at his position.

Movement is only part of the problem.

His size and very short arms are also well below average for the position. That's why I see a smaller and slower Brandon Myers.

Good college player but I don't see a spot in the NFL for him.
Nice work  
Stupendamatic : 4/1/2015 11:08 am : link
I'm listening to Greg Cosell right now and he loves Tyler Kroft from Rutgers. He said he reminds him of Zach Ertz but a better blocker. Thinks he can be the 2nd best TE in the class behind Williams.
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