Trae Waynes at 9.

if reports are accurate

There is only one target choice. That is an offensive lineman. If the target choice is gone, everyone else is available in the 12-18 range.

In comment 12210768 Ivan15 said:

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There is only one target choice. That is an offensive lineman. If the target choice is gone, everyone else is available in the 12-18 range.

You don't let a guy with these skills go. Prince is hurt all the time and the clock is ticking on DRC. This guy looks like Richard Sherman out there. Only this guy loves contact.

I expect the Giants to win the Superbowl this year no matter who they draft because they win every 4 years starting back in 07/08.

In comment 12210773 Zebra3 said:

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In comment 12210768 Ivan15 said: Quote: There is only one target choice. That is an offensive lineman. If the target choice is gone, everyone else is available in the 12-18 range. You don't let a guy with these skills go. Prince is hurt all the time and the clock is ticking on DRC. This guy looks like Richard Sherman out there. Only this guy loves contact.

So much dopiness. Prince isn't hurt all the time. And also, you don't just trade down because you want to. Someone has to make the offer/have the interest.

particularly if he is clearly the highest graded player left and even more so if the Giants think he can fill in at FS. He would also be good insurance for Prince and DRC.

That is an extreme rationale.

Did Prince get injured and miss games last year?
How about the year before that? How many seasons has he played 16 or more games?

and a torn biceps is an unusual injury that I wouldn't bet on happening again.

Having said all that, CB could certainly be the pick.

be a great pick.

It can't be a development player. The game is all about passing and this is a guy who can take away another teams weapons.
If Cooper,White,any of the Edge rushers are gone you have to do it.
Non of the Olinemen are top 9 picks.. Lots of value Oline in round 2,3.

if we can find a partner at the right price, since TW doesn't thrill me, and at best, the best in a weak 1st round class..
And with at least 3 OL and 3 DL that BBI seem to have rated rather close to each other in their respective positions, if the FO cant find one of those 6 a better need/talent marriage at 9 than Waynes, we may need to strongly question their evaluation process.

Can't have too many top shelf CBs

Play free safety at the highest level, just like as if he were playing corner, then I am all in. How would you know that though, that is the $50,000 question. If he is a great future cornerback, I would be Ok with the pick, if he is a great future cornerback who could play free safety at a high level, then the pick is an excellent pick, if he is a great future cornerback, that would play free safety, but not that well, then you must consider trading down if you can get a partner, which would be easy if we were the pats, impossible since we are the Giants. Just listen to this board, oh, you have to have a partner, like it is so hard, and it is, for the Giants. The Pats move up and down all the time with no problem at all.

With good instincts
A good tackler ,fundamentally sound
Good hands , great hands concentration
Tall enough to play big TEs he's 6ft plus.
Can jump a route or recover when burned. Burner 4.32 40
Come up and support the run defense, loves contact.
Blitz,
Waynes can do all this right now. Also play shutdown corner.

coverage skills, and rocket sled speed. 4.31 40 at the combine, and 19 bench reps, which is excellent for a CB. Willing tackler. But he's much too grabby, something that will have to be cleaned up at the next level. He's also 190 pounds soaking wet, although maybe he could add some weight.

He's not a complete player. But then nobody in this draft is, even in the top ten. It's also a passing league, and he has elite coverage skills. We need OL, but there will be plenty in the second and third round, and we get Schwartz back this year.

I was initially against taking Waynes at #9, but not anymore. I also agree that Reese could easily take him.

This pick.I think he could play fs
you can get a really good ol in rd.2 take the playmaker first,then get the plow horse in rd.2

and his shuttle run was not that great.

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In comment 12210908 Dave in Buffalo said:

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He has a skill set for it.
Unlike the rest of our corners.

My memory is that he got schooled by a very ordinary WR from MSU.

changing his position? Does that sound like a sound decision?

He would make the Giants a lot better. I would rather a different pick but would have an absolutely no problem with him in blue.

CB isn't a strength at the top of this draft so the best CB available argument is hollow. Press-man is his bread and butter. His technique in other coverages is poor. Poor agility testing(7+ 3-cone/4.4 shuttle) correlates to his struggles playing in space. He's nothing special in run support either.

He has ball skills and elite straight line and recovery speed. Right now he's a one trick pony cover man. There will be better options on the board if we keep the #9 pick imo.

In comment 12210925 drkenneth said:

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changing his position? Does that sound like a sound decision?

Your picking top 10
You are getting someone that can start and make your team better.
The Giants have drafted guys before and changed their positions.
Richberg Shawn Williams etc

who was moved out of necessity from G to C. Shaun Williams played S on college and the NFL.

Is there a point somewhere in there?

Jalen Collins is another top corner who'd make a very good free safety.

In comment 12210958 Ira said:

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Jalen Collins is another top corner who'd make a very good free safety.

Wow. The trade down/change player's position double combo!

Similar profile as Waynes with better hips and 'wiggle' to him. Slower 40 time but elite agility testing. Both guys fall short of the top 10 imo.

In comment 12210943 drkenneth said:

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who was moved out of necessity from G to C. Shaun Williams played S on college and the NFL. Is there a point somewhere in there?

Williams lined up played corner a few games his rookie year.


Since Coughlin has been here we have heard nothing but versatility.
We like guys that can play more than one position.
Thats the point.
Reese needs to come out of this draft with a starter,someone who plays from day one and makes the team better.
That's the point.
This guy is rated top ten on most boards
That's my point
Also CB and WR are the hardest positions to hit on in the pro game.
Now that the game is in the air you need ball skilled guys.
No one doubts this guy can play or he wouldn't be rated as high.
Now do you get my point

Or do you just want to bitch?
BTW if he doesn't work out at FS you have a great player if Prince or DRC can play. So it's win win.

But I see his value at a few spots lower.

And put him at safety

In comment 12211000 eli4life said:

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And put him at safety

If he is BPA you do. If he can make you better you do.

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In comment 12210768 Ivan15 said:

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There is only one target choice. That is an offensive lineman. If the target choice is gone, everyone else is available in the 12-18 range.

This line of thinking is just wrong and leads to broken TVs/remotes.

he could play safety. Here's a comment from CBS Sports:

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Thin-limbed and is all "arms and legs" with his lanky build, clearly lacking ideal bulk and muscle definition.

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In comment 12210908 Dave in Buffalo said: Quote: ? He has a skill set for it. Unlike the rest of our corners.

Awesome, lets go get him!!!

Watch highlights watch him support the run defense and take down the RB. All players can ad mass they all do their first year. He is a sound tackler that all you can ask for out of college. Stevie brown could tackle for shit.
This guy has a ton of potential. If he is there and the WRs and rushers are gone it's not a bad choice.

Originally I wanted Gurley but before he blew
out his Knee .
Vic Beasly looked great because the Obvious LB situation.
The General argument is WR Vs , o-line .
I want O-line but will trust that they won't and
cannot Blow This Draft especially Early but rounds
3 and 4 could bring added Depth as well .
I want a Road Grader in round 1 or 2 the short yardage
was pathetic last year .