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3 important Pro Days tomorrow

YANKEE28 : 3/30/2015 9:03 pm
Tuesday is the Pro Day for Florida State, Notre Dame, and UConn. All 3 schools could have players that the Giants have an interest on draft day.

Florida State has the whole interior of their O-line going in next month’s draft. center Cameron Erving, left guard Josue Matias, and right guard Tre Jackson. And on the other side of the ball they have DT Eddie Goldman and DE Mario Edwards. There are certainly other players that will be at the FSU Pro Day (like their QB), but I think the Giants interest will be along the lines.

IMO, the best run blocking guard in this draft is Tre Jackson. FSU plays an impressive schedule, and Jackson stands out. Not a finesse player, he is 6’4” and 330 pounds and uses every pound on every play. At the combine he didn’t lift, shuttle, or do the 3 cone. It will be interesting to see how he tests. Even though the Giants already have Schwartz and Jerry as true right guards, Jackson’s play is really impressive, perhaps enough so that if drafted, you might see Schwartz on the left side.

Erving played Center this past season after moving from Tackle. His is likely to go at the bottom of Round 1. Matias is a Jersey kid who is huge, but I don’t think he moves very well. If the Giants could get Tre Jackson at #74 in the 3rd, that would be a great value pick.

Goldman is another very solid player that could help the Giants interior, but like Erving, he is also likely to go late in Round 1, and not in a favorable slot for the Giants #40 pick unless there was a trade. Edward is a solid DE, but I think he is likely to go in Round 3. If I had a choice between Jackson or Edwards at #74, I would take Jackson-though that could change depending on what needs the Giants address with their first 2 picks.

At the Notre Dame Pro Day, for me the guy to watch is TE Ben Koyack (nice write up by SY56 earlier today). Koyack was impressive blocking as both an H-Back and inline. He did not work out at the Combine, so tomorrow is huge for him. Perhaps the Giants like him in Round 4. That worked out well a few years back when Notre Dame TE Mark Bavaro was drafted by the Giants in Round 4.

Finally, there is the UConn Pro Day. Cornerback Byron Jones killed it at the Combine in all the skill areas and with the Giants need for a safety, is it possible the Giants see Jones as a future safety? At 6’1” and 200 pounds, its possible. Another possibility on Day 3 is UConn receiver Geremy Davis. Good size at 6’ 2 ½” and 216 pounds. A lot of production in his soph, junior and senior years, but not much mention in a draft loaded at WR.

I attached some Tre Jackson video.

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Nice post  
rdt288 : 3/30/2015 9:07 pm : link
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and on  
YANKEE28 : 3/30/2015 9:14 pm : link
a more minor note, the Towson Pro Day is Wednesday. Their DE Ryan Delaire could be a possible 7th rounder or priority UDFA signing for the Giants.

There are 2 players in this drat, (OG Ali Marpet and Towson's Ryan Delaire), who have actually stated that they are long time Giants fans and hope to be drafted by the New York Giants. Delaire had 11 sacks last year. If the Giants are interested and Delaire is not drafted, he might be a perfect UFDA signing.
Y28, I really like Jackson, and think he might even be worth  
yatqb : 3/30/2015 9:25 pm : link
a second round selection. Strong, really moves well for a man his size, pulls, traps, is quick to pick up stunts in pass protection and very capable in pass pro overall. There's nothing I've seen of him that is a negative. I said on an earlier post that he's a MUCH better Boothe, but that's really an undervaluation. This kid can play.

Of all the so-called second tier OGs (e.g., Cann, Tomlinson, Kouandjio) I think he by far fits our style of play and needs best.
yatqb  
YANKEE28 : 3/30/2015 9:28 pm : link
Pauline just posted that Tre Jackson is having dinner tonight with the San Diego Chargers. You could well be right. The Chargers own pick #48, and its probably wishful thinking on my part that he is still around at #74.
Koyack  
MookGiants : 3/30/2015 9:29 pm : link
was a big disappointment last year for ND as a pass catcher. He never really developed into the receiving threat they thought he would.
RE: yatqb  
yatqb : 3/30/2015 10:23 pm : link
In comment 12211126 YANKEE28 said:
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Pauline just posted that Tre Jackson is having dinner tonight with the San Diego Chargers. You could well be right. The Chargers own pick #48, and its probably wishful thinking on my part that he is still around at #74.


Too bad, Y28, but I think we'd have to grab him at 40 if we really want him.

Tough spot for us because if we are shut out on Scherff at 9 and wind up picking a WR there, and then pick an OG at 40, our defense is left with slimmer pickings as the draft moves on.
Unfortunately we'll be caught between rounds with Jackson  
raever : 3/30/2015 10:29 pm : link
Not good enough for the #40 pick but too good to be there for #74 imo. True power player would elevate our ground attack immediately. I doubt he will test well enough to be viable anywhere but at RG. Ran a glacial 5.52 in Indy.
Yat that's why the best fit for WR is Round 3 due it's depth  
raever : 3/30/2015 10:31 pm : link
Defensive playmakers are in short supply as are starting quality OL this year.
I agree with you, raever, but felt the same last year.  
yatqb : 3/30/2015 11:01 pm : link
There were SO many great receivers in last year's draft that I argued that we take Martin. Martin was tremendous last year, but how can anyone argue with the OBJ pick?

So if Cooper, White or Parker are there and Reese is convinced about greatness it will be a tough decision for him, and likely agonizing for us.

That said, if he's convinced about Jackson, I have no problem taking him at 40 and I wouldn't worry about his 40 time. The guy moves fine on the sweep, and that's the most you'll ever need from him.
I wonder if the Giants view Parker as BPA at 9  
Mason : 3/30/2015 11:18 pm : link
If you tell me that both Cooper and White are off the boards as well as the QBs then that means that some of the coveted pass rushers and guys like Schereff and Collins could be available. I don't know Ross or C. Mara draft board but I doubt that Parker would rate higher than some of those guys.
Very Nice Indeed  
Percy : 3/31/2015 12:16 am : link
Jackson: "every pound on every play," a wonderful tribute.
RE: I agree with you, raever, but felt the same last year.  
Coach Mason : 3/31/2015 6:25 am : link
In comment 12211191 yatqb said:
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There were SO many great receivers in last year's draft that I argued that we take Martin. Martin was tremendous last year, but how can anyone argue with the OBJ pick?

So if Cooper, White or Parker are there and Reese is convinced about greatness it will be a tough decision for him, and likely agonizing for us.

That said, if he's convinced about Jackson, I have no problem taking him at 40 and I wouldn't worry about his 40 time. The guy moves fine on the sweep, and that's the most you'll ever need from him.


The redeeming factor here is there will almost certainly be a high level plug and play OL option at 40.

May not be enough here for some who want the 'sexy' OL name but it will be more effective.
i suppose, positionally  
idiotsavant : 3/31/2015 11:15 am : link
and apparently attitude wise, if you had to be forced to pick 5 players but all only from one school, florida state would appear to e a nice match,
RE: Y28, I really like Jackson, and think he might even be worth  
Amtoft : 3/31/2015 11:20 am : link
In comment 12211122 yatqb said:
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a second round selection. Strong, really moves well for a man his size, pulls, traps, is quick to pick up stunts in pass protection and very capable in pass pro overall. There's nothing I've seen of him that is a negative. I said on an earlier post that he's a MUCH better Boothe, but that's really an undervaluation. This kid can play.

Of all the so-called second tier OGs (e.g., Cann, Tomlinson, Kouandjio) I think he by far fits our style of play and needs best.


I think Tre Jackson is the best pure OG in the draft... I would absolutely take him in the 2nd round... If I mock the Giants not taking La'el Collins or Scherff in the first I was take Tre Jackson in the second round.
RE: Unfortunately we'll be caught between rounds with Jackson  
Amtoft : 3/31/2015 11:49 am : link
In comment 12211174 raever said:
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Not good enough for the #40 pick but too good to be there for #74 imo. True power player would elevate our ground attack immediately. I doubt he will test well enough to be viable anywhere but at RG. Ran a glacial 5.52 in Indy.


40 is the most stupid thing to look at when looking at OL. Especially OG... I know the whole pulling thing, but the 40 measures 40 yards of distance. How many times do you see an OL running 40 yards each game. He was the only OL at the SR bowl that went 9 for 9 in one on one battles. Stuffed everyone.
Amtoft  
raever : 3/31/2015 12:00 pm : link
A borderline slow 40 is one thing when evaluating OL. A 5.5+ stands out as limiting in some regards and I used it as an example to support my opinion of the position he's best suited to. As I noted he is a great run blocker in a phone booth. You may want to moderate the tone of your comments when addressing other posters lest you come off as offensive imo.
Amtoft, I agree that Jackson is the best pure OG aside from  
yatqb : 3/31/2015 8:08 pm : link
Scherff (who I think will be exceptional). I think that he can play both left and right side, raever. Tell me your thinking about why he's only suited to RG. The Gmen pull to both sides with their OGs, as does FSU, and I haven't seen Jackson fail to get out in front of his RBs on any pull or trap play. Help me understand your thinking, as I've never played OL.
Mason  
chillinman1183 : 3/31/2015 8:37 pm : link
Parker would definitely be the BPA at 9. if he didn't break his foot and mis those 7 games we are likely talking about him being the first WR taken. 45 catches for 855 yards in only 6 games with a 19.6 avg. Both Cooper and White averaged under 14 per reception. Parker in his 4 years never averaged under 16.2 and over 18 his sophomore season.
Had Parker played in all 13 games his #'s would have exceeded both White and Cooper.
he ran a 4.45 at the combine but on film is the most explosive player of the 3 after the catch. he high points and attacks the ball as good if not better than White.
I'm not as enamoured with kevin Whites 4.35 at the combine,as I don't see it consistently on film.
I would say that Cooper is more Dynamic then white is IMO,wich cooper showed as a sophomore with a 99 yard touchdown and a 77 yarder last season.
Out of the 3 Amari is definitely the most polished route runner,wich is why I have been going back and forth from Parker to Cooper. I can't seem to decide who my favorite is because of the injury to Parkers foot and Coopers route running. IMO it's that close but I'd probably have to give the edge to Parker,right this second anyway. :)
If I were Picking at 9 there would be no discussion just like last year with OBJ,I'd draft Parker without a 2nd thought if Cooper was gone, or the other way around.
I must  
YANKEE28 : 3/31/2015 8:57 pm : link
say I was very disappointed in Tre Jackson's Pro Day today. He has dropped 11 pounds since the Combine. His shuttle and 3 cone were disappointing at best, and would have ranked very low against the other guards at the Combines.

His lift was 20, equally disappointing and far below all the other Combine guards.

I watch the film and I love him, but for a player that had 5 weeks to prepare for today, this is not what I expected. I think it pushes him out of Round 2.
RE: I must  
yatqb : 3/31/2015 9:50 pm : link
In comment 12212336 YANKEE28 said:
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say I was very disappointed in Tre Jackson's Pro Day today. He has dropped 11 pounds since the Combine. His shuttle and 3 cone were disappointing at best, and would have ranked very low against the other guards at the Combines.

His lift was 20, equally disappointing and far below all the other Combine guards.

I watch the film and I love him, but for a player that had 5 weeks to prepare for today, this is not what I expected. I think it pushes him out of Round 2.


Surprising, but maybe we can get him in the 3rd now? I'm still high on him. He sure never looked lazy in games, so I wonder what led to his awful workout today.
dn't put to much stock in the workouts  
chillinman1183 : 3/31/2015 10:07 pm : link
While it's nice to have great 40 times and 3 cone but when it comes to playing football most if not all of that stuff is irrelavent IMO. there's been plenty of (great) players to test poorly at the combine. What they put on film and do when on the field is what you should concentrate on first and foremost.
Not really surprised Jackson struggled 'athletically'  
Torrag : 3/31/2015 10:33 pm : link
He's a mauler best suited for a man on man power scheme. He's dominant in the short area winning with power and leverage. Good football player and it shows on tape. He really shocks guys with his hands. I'd be surprised if he falls out of the second round. His draft stock won't 'plummet' off this imo.
Colin has Tre Jackson at #120 on his big board.  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/1/2015 6:01 am : link
That's way lower than most prospect rankings; but still, with the Giants' fourth pick at #108, you never know. My guess is that if the Giants like Jackson despite his shortcomings, they would take him earlier. And if they don't think he fits, they won't take him at all - maybe not even at #108, unless the pickings there are really slim.

How much did Mario Edwards help himself yesterday? The Giants will need a LDE by 2016 - maybe earlier. Would you consider Edwards at #40? Is it totally out of the question that he might be on the board at #74?
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