Kevin Whitle: I bring more to the table than Amari Cooper.

In comment 12211586 Big Blue Blogger said:

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Those weren't two #1 draft picks.

Ray is probably better suited to 3-4 OLB. Edge rusher at #9 isn't looking too good in this draft, unless Dupree rises fast or they decide to gamble on one of the tweeners. And, yes they are tweeners when you're running a 4-3 scheme.

The question is White or an OL, in that scenario, then the question becomes do they pick the LT (Peat) over the WR? White probably gets the nod before Scherff unless NYG projects him to LT.

The pro-OL crowd hates to hear it, but the percentages are NYG would draft the WR before the RT or OG.

the pro-OL crowd are banking on Cooper and White being gone and the Giants passing on guys that are really LB's not DE's in their system...and they make a credible case for that scenario. If DFJ is gone and Dupree doesn't have the grade Scherff becomes the BPA at an area of concern imo.

Agreed, I've posted the same scenario as being quite likely. But, we'll have to see if what I posted over the weekend picks up steam (Peat).

given many draftniks and plugged in reporters are indicating he's consistently carries a top 8 grade. But, I doubt NYG would draft a RT or OG too heavily out of need this early.

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but only time will tell if the Giants will. If they do I just hope they are sold on his work ethic. The potential is there but you'd like a 'cleaner' prospect drafting in the Top 10.

fwiw, we'll see what develops.

You know someone in the know, in the organization?

I vet what I'm told through Eric, but can't name names here.

He's a football player. Has the toughness and instincts you cant quantify. Good not great athlete but will maximize his gifts imo. When I watch him he effects the action even when he doesn't make the play himself. Uses his long arms to advantage as well in the trenches to keep guys off him to disengage contact and make a play. Very active and disruptive creating chaos where the offense wants crisp execution.

In comment 12211630 JonC said:

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given many draftniks and plugged in reporters are indicating he's consistently carries a top 8 grade. But, I doubt NYG would draft a RT or OG too heavily out of need this early.

Asking, not commenting per se, but Sy seems to feel Scherff has the wherewithal to slide over to OLT down the road..Might the Giants feel this way as well or is Peat their guy, iyo?

I see a lack of explosion and suddenness off the edge, looks more 3-4 OLB to me. Point him downhill without contact every play DEs encounter. There's got to be a better player at #9.

In comment 12211641 JonC said:

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fwiw, we'll see what develops.

I could see this but wonder with his agility numbers. It isn't an end all be all but historically their OL picks under Reese as well as the ones they've been rumored to covet have very good agility numbers (especially 3 cone times).

Peat's size is certainly intriguing and the upside is probably highest amongst top guys but there is some bust potential too.

I think it's still a bit early in that regard. With Scherff, I'm concerned his best position projection is consistently OG or RT, rather than LT from the start. When that chatter is ongoing the player often winds up best suited to the lesser spot in the NFL.

They know OL better than me.

Agree to disagree on that statement. Not that they can't be wrong but why do you think nearly every draft outlet has him touted as a Top 5 pick? At #9 I think the Giants would draft him in a NY minute imo.

Not asking you who it is. just asking if it's someone in a position to know. From your answer, it sounds like it is.

quicker, has bigger hands, better tape and wasn't a one year wonder.

White's gonna be good, too. but teams would be foolish to take him over Cooper.

is that a WR, Beasley(should he fall) or the CB TW will be their pick with the Ol at 40..

Passing on Martin(a big need at the time and certainly one of the BPAs) for OBD(yay) leads me to feel this way, especially since you and other draftniks have stated often that there's OL value at 40 or should be..

In comment 12211684 Phil in LA said:

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quicker, has bigger hands, better tape and wasn't a one year wonder. White's gonna be good, too. but teams would be foolish to take him over Cooper.

But if Cooper's gone by 9, you'd have no problem taking White?

Combined with his size, huge hands(11") and decent arm length(33.5") what LT trait doesn't he have? I can't recall an OL prospect with his athletic profile that wasn't considered a LT candidate. Paralysis by over analysis is a common occurrence with high profile draftees.

In comment 12211602 Big Blue Blogger said:

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Its funny you post that. I've been looking at White as potentially our Alvin Harper. He may be a tick below Cooper in a vacuum, but would fit in better with what we have. Harper wasnt great -- 35 catches a year or so. But he absolutely took the top off the defense. 2 years at 20+ ypc. Send White deep; either you double him or some % of the time he burns his man. And if you double him, there is just no way you can account for OBJ and Vereen, and possibly Cruz. You cant defend everywhere.

In comment 12211602 Big Blue Blogger said:

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See OL skippy

I don't think 4-3 DE best suits Fowler, thus I drop him on the board. Time will tell.

but there are certainly aspects of the game where White has an advantage.

Bigger, explodes off the line quicker, stronger, greater catch radius

You could easily argue that White has the edge in all of those areas. I WOULD argue that.

I think it's pretty close. I don't think it would be crazy for a team to choose White over Cooper. But for what the Giants/McAdoo are looking for in a WR, Cooper seems like a better fit.

I like Scherff, if he can play LT in the NFL I like him for NYG even more.

We have had our share of bad luck with WVU players. I would stay away from players that played at WVU

a team selects an offensive lineman before 9? That would certainly drop someone unexpected...

You can't avoid players because of prior experiences with players. That's a terrible way to approach drafting.

Tuinei - UDFA
Newton - Street FA (Redskins/USFL)
Stepnoski - 3rd round
Gesek - Obtained from Oakland for a 5th round pick (Replaced in 1993 by 8th-round pick Kevin Gogan)
Williams - 3rd round

Where did that offense have first-round picks? QB, WR, WR, RB.

In 2011, Tyron Smith became the first offensive lineman drafted by Dallas in round one in thirty years.

In comment 12211369 Curtis in VA said:

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In comment 12211362 GiantNatty said: Quote: it makes it sound as though White is talking trash against Cooper, but in the context of the actual interview, White comes across as humble, articulate, and very complimentary of Cooper... But of course. Its more of an attention-grabber. Same as when posters here title their threads like "The Eagles will..."

I hate it when people do that. Or when they post about a specific player but don't mention the name only a link to a highlight or profile page. "What about this guy at 9? link" Is it so hard to write the name and then put a link?

In comment 12211283 Marty in Albany said:

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Cooper more than White. If White were a coach and not a player, or if White had played against Cooper in a game or two and had a chance to observe him it would be different.

Yeah, how often does a professional athlete make such a statement and wind up being proven correct?

I remember when Ron Dayne's agent was going on and on about how much better he was than Jerome Bettis. lol

In comment 12212078 Big Blue Blogger said:

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Tuinei - UDFA Newton - Street FA (Redskins/USFL) Stepnoski - 3rd round Gesek - Obtained from Oakland for a 5th round pick (Replaced in 1993 by 8th-round pick Kevin Gogan) Williams - 3rd round Where did that offense have first-round picks? QB, WR, WR, RB.

Well aware. Did you know that OL is light years ahead of the Giants and they had a back named Smith along with a solid TE named Novacek? I do believe Harper never broke 1000 yards in a season. In fact, he only broke 700 yard twice. Want to bet a Cooper, White, OBJ or any of these top picks under the new (cheap) CBA will keep quiet if their stats aren't great? Think again and that Dallas team didn't win the Bowls b/c of Alvin Harper.

That's not good value for the 9th pick in the draft, especially when it's not a need position. The 4.35 speed he showed at the combine doesn't show up on tape and the question is: will he be able to out-battle NFL corners for contested balls the way he out-battled college corners?

At least with Cooper, you'd be able to say you went non-need BPA on a sure thing. But to draft a boom or bust WR with the 9th pick when the team has much more glaring needs at OL and DL is just not smart.

Is he related to Jason Whitle?

They had Harper and Irvin, and won consecutive Super Bowls with them and an offensive line assembled from spare parts. That's all. I'm not belittling Smith and Aikman, or the Dallas line, or advocating a WR at #9. Just saying it's not a recipe for certain disaster.

By the way, do you call people "skippy" in real life, or just on BBI?

In comment 12212190 Milton said:

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That's not good value for the 9th pick in the draft, especially when it's not a need position. The 4.35 speed he showed at the combine doesn't show up on tape and the question is: will he be able to out-battle NFL corners for contested balls the way he out-battled college corners? At least with Cooper, you'd be able to say you went non-need BPA on a sure thing. But to draft a boom or bust WR with the 9th pick when the team has much more glaring needs at OL and DL is just not smart.

My feelings exactly. I'm ok with Cooper but I am more leery of White or Parker.

In comment 12211586 Big Blue Blogger said:

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Cruz isn't exactly a number one receiver. That's not his game

...and has been paid like one since 2013.

Look, it's obviously hard to sustain a pair of great receivers. Egos aren't the main problem. Even money isn't, though that was a factor in breaking up Harper and Irvin. Injuries are the big issue. Look what happened to Nicks and Cruz. If anything, that's an argument in favor of doubling up on playmakers when you have the chance. In the Not-For-Long League, having too many healthy gamebreakers is a nice problem to have.

By the way, it's possible to keep a great tandem together for a pretty good run. The best example might be Coughlin's own protégés in Jacksonville, Jimmy Smith and Keenan McCardell. In six years together (1996-2001), they combined for 1061 catches and 14,365 yards. It's worth noting that Coughlin spent a first-round pick on R.Jay Soward in 2000, anticipating life after Smith & McCardell. Soward busted, and the Jags eventually wound up in cap hell, but the WRs were only a small part of their money-management issues.

I just don't get that kind of comment about any player.

He's either going to dominate the NFL or suck? How can you say that about any prospect?

He has excellent size, speed, hands, and production. Why isn't it possible that he develops into a very solid or above average NFL player?

It happens all of the time. Nobody is either "Boom or Bust".

In comment 12213256 KWALL2 said:

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I just don't get that kind of comment about any player. He's either going to dominate the NFL or suck? How can you say that about any prospect? He has excellent size, speed, hands, and production. Why isn't it possible that he develops into a very solid or above average NFL player? It happens all of the time. Nobody is either "Boom or Bust".

Stephen Hill? Not being a wiseguy, just askin'

I know he sucked in the NFL, but why was it either he lights up the league or sucks?

Is it the measurable thing? A lot of great measurable guys simply become good contributors and solid players.

I do recall a bunch on here wanted the Giants to pick him. Raw, but "tremendous upside," they opined

Good point, KWALL. Marvin Austin was a boom/bust guy in many people's eyes and he's seemingly developed into a solid contributor.

It's just a less accurate formulation of 'High Ceiling / Low Floor'.

None of these labels are highly predictive. Plenty of 'safe' picks flop, and plenty of risky ones don't wind up at either extreme.

In comment 12211690 raever said:

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Combined with his size, huge hands(11") and decent arm length(33.5") what LT trait doesn't he have? I can't recall an OL prospect with his athletic profile that wasn't considered a LT candidate. Paralysis by over analysis is a common occurrence with high profile draftees.

Agree. Plus the kid's been playing LT his whole career to my knowledge. He also has the versatility to shift around, according to the talking heads, as well.

Lol, all that said I'd rather have a WR. But certainly wouldn't be pissed with Scherff.