Kevin Whitle: I bring more to the table than Amari Cooper.

Cooper more than White. If White were a coach and not a player, or if White had played against Cooper in a game or two and had a chance to observe him it would be different.

White went for 9/143/1, Cooper 12/130. Cooper drew more attention, bracketing, double teams from WVU than White did from Saban's defense. Bama won 33-23.

Despite what White said Cooper having earned SEC respect was regularly facing defenses that gave him extra attention. Cooper was almost singlehandedly 'Bama's air attack. Cooper went for 124/1700+/16 which was more than 3X the next 'Bama contributor in all cases.

Also can't agree with White's characterization that the Big 12 competition he faced was as good as Cooper's week in and week out. It wasn't.

Both guys are going to be great pros with impact potential. The difference is Cooper's polish, and extensive track record which dwarfs White's. His agility testing was elite(3-cone 6.79/3.98 shuttle). White has more dominating physical traits than Cooper as a triangle athlete(4.35/40).

I have Cooper as the safest pick in this draft and the #2 overall talent with White a close second and likely Top 10 pick.

He was asked to make the case on why he should be picked ahead of Cooper. He had to say something, and it didn't read as any kind of bashing toward Cooper at all.

White might have an argument as the athlete with more upside, but Cooper is a safer prospect when you're picking top 10. White has Raiders written all over him, unless they reverse gears and pick polish over upside.

raever, good post.

it makes it sound as though White is talking trash against Cooper, but in the context of the actual interview, White comes across as humble, articulate, and very complimentary of Cooper...

In comment 12211362 GiantNatty said:

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it makes it sound as though White is talking trash against Cooper, but in the context of the actual interview, White comes across as humble, articulate, and very complimentary of Cooper...

But of course. Its more of an attention-grabber. Same as when posters here title their threads like "The Eagles will..."

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it makes it sound as though White is talking trash against Cooper, but in the context of the actual interview, White comes across as humble, articulate, and very complimentary of Cooper...

Agree, White seemed to be very direct and honest with his responses. He didn't sidestep any of the questions.

are going to have a great WR

He might be off on the facts, though, since Cooper clearly got a lot of attention from defenses. What he may have meant was that any team playing Alabama has to stop the run first, not other weapons in the passing game.

As for who brings more to the table, it seems like they both bring a lot, so it depends on your appetite.

about Cooper, White, and raever

White is on the board at 9, do the Giants pull the trigger? For the sake of argument, let's say the only "elite" pass rushers left are Gregory and Ray, no Olinemen are have been taken yet, Shelton's gone but Brown's there along with the top Safety and CB. I would think the pick is White but it depends on if they're satisfied with Gregory's issue.

lining up opposite OBJ would be nasty. Then go OL in round two. Oh baby.

In comment 12211283 Marty in Albany said:

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Cooper more than White. If White were a coach and not a player, or if White had played against Cooper in a game or two and had a chance to observe him it would be different.

Let's keep in mind. OBJ has that attitude too. These receivers have egos and there is only one football. Beware and watch what we wish for. Two #1 receivers looks good on paper yet there is only one football.

I didn't read the story as I'm pretty sure they'll both be gone by draft pick nine.

he is there We take him.

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Those weren't two #1 draft picks.

Ray is probably better suited to 3-4 OLB. Edge rusher at #9 isn't looking too good in this draft, unless Dupree rises fast or they decide to gamble on one of the tweeners. And, yes they are tweeners when you're running a 4-3 scheme.

The question is White or an OL, in that scenario, then the question becomes do they pick the LT (Peat) over the WR? White probably gets the nod before Scherff unless NYG projects him to LT.

The pro-OL crowd hates to hear it, but the percentages are NYG would draft the WR before the RT or OG.

the pro-OL crowd are banking on Cooper and White being gone and the Giants passing on guys that are really LB's not DE's in their system...and they make a credible case for that scenario. If DFJ is gone and Dupree doesn't have the grade Scherff becomes the BPA at an area of concern imo.

Agreed, I've posted the same scenario as being quite likely. But, we'll have to see if what I posted over the weekend picks up steam (Peat).

given many draftniks and plugged in reporters are indicating he's consistently carries a top 8 grade. But, I doubt NYG would draft a RT or OG too heavily out of need this early.

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but only time will tell if the Giants will. If they do I just hope they are sold on his work ethic. The potential is there but you'd like a 'cleaner' prospect drafting in the Top 10.

fwiw, we'll see what develops.

You know someone in the know, in the organization?

I vet what I'm told through Eric, but can't name names here.

He's a football player. Has the toughness and instincts you cant quantify. Good not great athlete but will maximize his gifts imo. When I watch him he effects the action even when he doesn't make the play himself. Uses his long arms to advantage as well in the trenches to keep guys off him to disengage contact and make a play. Very active and disruptive creating chaos where the offense wants crisp execution.

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given many draftniks and plugged in reporters are indicating he's consistently carries a top 8 grade. But, I doubt NYG would draft a RT or OG too heavily out of need this early.

Asking, not commenting per se, but Sy seems to feel Scherff has the wherewithal to slide over to OLT down the road..Might the Giants feel this way as well or is Peat their guy, iyo?

I see a lack of explosion and suddenness off the edge, looks more 3-4 OLB to me. Point him downhill without contact every play DEs encounter. There's got to be a better player at #9.

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fwiw, we'll see what develops.

I could see this but wonder with his agility numbers. It isn't an end all be all but historically their OL picks under Reese as well as the ones they've been rumored to covet have very good agility numbers (especially 3 cone times).

Peat's size is certainly intriguing and the upside is probably highest amongst top guys but there is some bust potential too.

I think it's still a bit early in that regard. With Scherff, I'm concerned his best position projection is consistently OG or RT, rather than LT from the start. When that chatter is ongoing the player often winds up best suited to the lesser spot in the NFL.

They know OL better than me.

Agree to disagree on that statement. Not that they can't be wrong but why do you think nearly every draft outlet has him touted as a Top 5 pick? At #9 I think the Giants would draft him in a NY minute imo.

Not asking you who it is. just asking if it's someone in a position to know. From your answer, it sounds like it is.

quicker, has bigger hands, better tape and wasn't a one year wonder.

White's gonna be good, too. but teams would be foolish to take him over Cooper.

is that a WR, Beasley(should he fall) or the CB TW will be their pick with the Ol at 40..

Passing on Martin(a big need at the time and certainly one of the BPAs) for OBD(yay) leads me to feel this way, especially since you and other draftniks have stated often that there's OL value at 40 or should be..

In comment 12211684 Phil in LA said:

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quicker, has bigger hands, better tape and wasn't a one year wonder. White's gonna be good, too. but teams would be foolish to take him over Cooper.

But if Cooper's gone by 9, you'd have no problem taking White?

Combined with his size, huge hands(11") and decent arm length(33.5") what LT trait doesn't he have? I can't recall an OL prospect with his athletic profile that wasn't considered a LT candidate. Paralysis by over analysis is a common occurrence with high profile draftees.

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Its funny you post that. I've been looking at White as potentially our Alvin Harper. He may be a tick below Cooper in a vacuum, but would fit in better with what we have. Harper wasnt great -- 35 catches a year or so. But he absolutely took the top off the defense. 2 years at 20+ ypc. Send White deep; either you double him or some % of the time he burns his man. And if you double him, there is just no way you can account for OBJ and Vereen, and possibly Cruz. You cant defend everywhere.

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See OL skippy

I don't think 4-3 DE best suits Fowler, thus I drop him on the board. Time will tell.

but there are certainly aspects of the game where White has an advantage.

Bigger, explodes off the line quicker, stronger, greater catch radius

You could easily argue that White has the edge in all of those areas. I WOULD argue that.

I think it's pretty close. I don't think it would be crazy for a team to choose White over Cooper. But for what the Giants/McAdoo are looking for in a WR, Cooper seems like a better fit.

I like Scherff, if he can play LT in the NFL I like him for NYG even more.

We have had our share of bad luck with WVU players. I would stay away from players that played at WVU

a team selects an offensive lineman before 9? That would certainly drop someone unexpected...

You can't avoid players because of prior experiences with players. That's a terrible way to approach drafting.

Tuinei - UDFA
Newton - Street FA (Redskins/USFL)
Stepnoski - 3rd round
Gesek - Obtained from Oakland for a 5th round pick (Replaced in 1993 by 8th-round pick Kevin Gogan)
Williams - 3rd round

Where did that offense have first-round picks? QB, WR, WR, RB.

In 2011, Tyron Smith became the first offensive lineman drafted by Dallas in round one in thirty years.

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In comment 12211362 GiantNatty said: Quote: it makes it sound as though White is talking trash against Cooper, but in the context of the actual interview, White comes across as humble, articulate, and very complimentary of Cooper... But of course. Its more of an attention-grabber. Same as when posters here title their threads like "The Eagles will..."

I hate it when people do that. Or when they post about a specific player but don't mention the name only a link to a highlight or profile page. "What about this guy at 9? link" Is it so hard to write the name and then put a link?