Cooper more than White. If White were a coach and not a player, or if White had played against Cooper in a game or two and had a chance to observe him it would be different.
Yeah, how often does a professional athlete make such a statement and wind up being proven correct?
I remember when Ron Dayne's agent was going on and on about how much better he was than Jerome Bettis. lol
RE: Giants2012: do you know how Dallas assembled that line? Â
Tuinei - UDFA
Newton - Street FA (Redskins/USFL)
Stepnoski - 3rd round
Gesek - Obtained from Oakland for a 5th round pick (Replaced in 1993 by 8th-round pick Kevin Gogan)
Williams - 3rd round
Where did that offense have first-round picks? QB, WR, WR, RB.
Well aware. Did you know that OL is light years ahead of the Giants and they had a back named Smith along with a solid TE named Novacek? I do believe Harper never broke 1000 yards in a season. In fact, he only broke 700 yard twice. Want to bet a Cooper, White, OBJ or any of these top picks under the new (cheap) CBA will keep quiet if their stats aren't great? Think again and that Dallas team didn't win the Bowls b/c of Alvin Harper.
That's not good value for the 9th pick in the draft, especially when it's not a need position. The 4.35 speed he showed at the combine doesn't show up on tape and the question is: will he be able to out-battle NFL corners for contested balls the way he out-battled college corners?
At least with Cooper, you'd be able to say you went non-need BPA on a sure thing. But to draft a boom or bust WR with the 9th pick when the team has much more glaring needs at OL and DL is just not smart.
They had Harper and Irvin, and won consecutive Super Bowls with them and an offensive line assembled from spare parts. That's all. I'm not belittling Smith and Aikman, or the Dallas line, or advocating a WR at #9. Just saying it's not a recipe for certain disaster.
By the way, do you call people "skippy" in real life, or just on BBI?
That's not good value for the 9th pick in the draft, especially when it's not a need position. The 4.35 speed he showed at the combine doesn't show up on tape and the question is: will he be able to out-battle NFL corners for contested balls the way he out-battled college corners?
At least with Cooper, you'd be able to say you went non-need BPA on a sure thing. But to draft a boom or bust WR with the 9th pick when the team has much more glaring needs at OL and DL is just not smart.
My feelings exactly. I'm ok with Cooper but I am more leery of White or Parker.
RE: Nothing good can possibly come of having two #1 receivers. Â
Look, it's obviously hard to sustain a pair of great receivers. Egos aren't the main problem. Even money isn't, though that was a factor in breaking up Harper and Irvin. Injuries are the big issue. Look what happened to Nicks and Cruz. If anything, that's an argument in favor of doubling up on playmakers when you have the chance. In the Not-For-Long League, having too many healthy gamebreakers is a nice problem to have.
By the way, it's possible to keep a great tandem together for a pretty good run. The best example might be Coughlin's own protégés in Jacksonville, Jimmy Smith and Keenan McCardell. In six years together (1996-2001), they combined for 1061 catches and 14,365 yards. It's worth noting that Coughlin spent a first-round pick on R.Jay Soward in 2000, anticipating life after Smith & McCardell. Soward busted, and the Jags eventually wound up in cap hell, but the WRs were only a small part of their money-management issues.
Combined with his size, huge hands(11") and decent arm length(33.5") what LT trait doesn't he have? I can't recall an OL prospect with his athletic profile that wasn't considered a LT candidate. Paralysis by over analysis is a common occurrence with high profile draftees.
Agree. Plus the kid's been playing LT his whole career to my knowledge. He also has the versatility to shift around, according to the talking heads, as well.
Lol, all that said I'd rather have a WR. But certainly wouldn't be pissed with Scherff.
Yeah, how often does a professional athlete make such a statement and wind up being proven correct?
I remember when Ron Dayne's agent was going on and on about how much better he was than Jerome Bettis. lol
Newton - Street FA (Redskins/USFL)
Stepnoski - 3rd round
Gesek - Obtained from Oakland for a 5th round pick (Replaced in 1993 by 8th-round pick Kevin Gogan)
Williams - 3rd round
Where did that offense have first-round picks? QB, WR, WR, RB.
Well aware. Did you know that OL is light years ahead of the Giants and they had a back named Smith along with a solid TE named Novacek? I do believe Harper never broke 1000 yards in a season. In fact, he only broke 700 yard twice. Want to bet a Cooper, White, OBJ or any of these top picks under the new (cheap) CBA will keep quiet if their stats aren't great? Think again and that Dallas team didn't win the Bowls b/c of Alvin Harper.
At least with Cooper, you'd be able to say you went non-need BPA on a sure thing. But to draft a boom or bust WR with the 9th pick when the team has much more glaring needs at OL and DL is just not smart.
By the way, do you call people "skippy" in real life, or just on BBI?
At least with Cooper, you'd be able to say you went non-need BPA on a sure thing. But to draft a boom or bust WR with the 9th pick when the team has much more glaring needs at OL and DL is just not smart.
My feelings exactly. I'm ok with Cooper but I am more leery of White or Parker.
Cruz isn't exactly a number one receiver. That's not his game
Look, it's obviously hard to sustain a pair of great receivers. Egos aren't the main problem. Even money isn't, though that was a factor in breaking up Harper and Irvin. Injuries are the big issue. Look what happened to Nicks and Cruz. If anything, that's an argument in favor of doubling up on playmakers when you have the chance. In the Not-For-Long League, having too many healthy gamebreakers is a nice problem to have.
By the way, it's possible to keep a great tandem together for a pretty good run. The best example might be Coughlin's own protégés in Jacksonville, Jimmy Smith and Keenan McCardell. In six years together (1996-2001), they combined for 1061 catches and 14,365 yards. It's worth noting that Coughlin spent a first-round pick on R.Jay Soward in 2000, anticipating life after Smith & McCardell. Soward busted, and the Jags eventually wound up in cap hell, but the WRs were only a small part of their money-management issues.
He's either going to dominate the NFL or suck? How can you say that about any prospect?
He has excellent size, speed, hands, and production. Why isn't it possible that he develops into a very solid or above average NFL player?
It happens all of the time. Nobody is either "Boom or Bust".
He's either going to dominate the NFL or suck? How can you say that about any prospect?
He has excellent size, speed, hands, and production. Why isn't it possible that he develops into a very solid or above average NFL player?
It happens all of the time. Nobody is either "Boom or Bust".
Stephen Hill? Not being a wiseguy, just askin'
Is it the measurable thing? A lot of great measurable guys simply become good contributors and solid players.
None of these labels are highly predictive. Plenty of 'safe' picks flop, and plenty of risky ones don't wind up at either extreme.
Agree. Plus the kid's been playing LT his whole career to my knowledge. He also has the versatility to shift around, according to the talking heads, as well.
Lol, all that said I'd rather have a WR. But certainly wouldn't be pissed with Scherff.