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Gmen108021 : 3/31/2015 3:50 pm
I see everyone posting wanting us to draft cooper @9 or white at 9 or sherff. i saw a couple posts and or mocks wanting offense first two rounds...is it just me? am i that paranoid about our defense? i believe our first two picks should be defense. i get the value of cooper at 9 but if its me im answering phones looking to move back with someone who is in love with cooper and didn't think he would be in striking distance. IMO our defense is where the biggest needs are. Safety is almost laughable. we clearly could use another DT and probably DE. and LBer it seems we have a bunch of serviceable guys or injury prone guys.
as far as OL. i get we were horrible last year, but i think reese is going to want to see the oline he built last year play a full season together.(meaning schwartz at G) so i wouldn't be shocked if we go Defense first two rounds. am i just panicking about the defense? someone at least try and make me feel better about that unit hahaha
this is a deep draft so a trade baxk would make a ton of sense...but  
George from PA : 3/31/2015 3:59 pm : link
You can not exactly plan for that in mock drafts.

No free safeties worth taking in 1st round.....and plenty of 3-4 edge rushers.....the 2 WR looks like best value if one drops

Draft best players.....not position
The Giants first pick  
81_Great_Dane : 3/31/2015 4:58 pm : link
should be the player they think is mostly likely to be a Pro Bowler/All-Pro or HOFer. They are mediocre at almost every position. There's no point in getting locked in on drafting a position, or even one side of the ball, and passing up an All-Pro receiver for a guy you think will be a nice starting safety just because that's a roster weakness in spring 2015.
If you strengthen the OL ...  
NYRiese : 3/31/2015 4:59 pm : link
You strengthen the running game.
You strengthen the passing game.
You give the defense a chance to rest and recuperate.
You wear down the opponents defense.
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No other position upgrade provides such a force factor.
Your defense is good if you keep them off the field  
Ivan15 : 3/31/2015 5:22 pm : link
I don't have a problem drafting for offense early. Defense doesn't need a lot of playmakers - just good hard nosed football players.
Got to go best player  
Hot Rod in Florida : 3/31/2015 6:15 pm : link
The one most likely to be a pro-bowler, and I also agree that a ball control offense does help the defense. Philly had a good offense, but a worn out defense. I also agree that a good defense is just as important. That to me signals to take the one with the most impact.

FWIW, I don't think that's Cooper. I have read he had a high drop rate percentage and had problems with contested catches. I don't personally know if that is true or not, but it is what some have written about him. He may be the best of the WR and 1st round worthy, but maybe not at nine. Since a WR's main function is to catch balls, I would not want my number one pick to be deficient in that area. For that reason, I am glad we didn't take Ebron last year as that was one of his problems, albeit I think Cooper is much better than Ebron.

We need a run stopper on defense and run blocker on offense. Edge rusher would be nice as well. I think we go OL or DL. I think the choice comes down to Scherff or Shelton, and possibly Beasley. But, what do I know!
The defense sucks but if an offensive skill player is the clear BPA...  
raever : 3/31/2015 6:21 pm : link
...you either draft him or trade the pick imo. Most of the 'draft two offensive players' crowd are touting offensive line as one of the picks. Bolstering the line impacts the run blocking, third down conversions and time of possession which can limit the defenses exposure.
IMHO, The Draft  
Trainmaster : 3/31/2015 6:30 pm : link
is about a balance between BPA and need.

The early rounds, particularly the first round, are mostly about BPA. As someone stated, the Giants are not so strong at any one position that a potential perennial pro bowler (which a #9 first round pick should be) at any position should be the choice. WR, DT, DE, CB, OT any of these are impact positions and there should be someone worth a #9 overall pick at one of those positions when the Giants draft.

As one goes through the draft, and the differences among remaining players decreases, need becomes an increasing factor. If the Giants haven't drafted OL before round 3, I would somewhat "force" a need pick with the best OL availabe in the 3rd round.
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PaulN : 3/31/2015 8:32 pm : link
Will draft an impact player at 9, position means nothing with the 9th pick, other then QB, which I doubt the Giants would pull the trigger on, that would most likely set up a trade down if Mariotta, for example, lasted that long, though you never know. They will take care of needs after that pick, the 2nd and 3rd round picks can hopefully be plug and play type players, like they did with Richburg last season, and that was successful. That is where you take your needs, the team does have more then 2 needs though, I am hoping it falls this way, but they need help on the defensive line also, both at tackle and end and at linebacker too. I think we may see a safety and offensive lineman in those two rounds, and I think it is very likely to be a guard in the 2nd or 3rd.

If they believe that one of the tackles are impact players, then I have no problem with them pulling the trigger in the first round, I just see those three wideouts and a few edge rushers and these are the type of impact players that would be really nice.
RE: If you strengthen the OL ...  
mrvax : 4/1/2015 8:01 am : link
In comment 12212139 NYRiese said:
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You strengthen the running game.
You strengthen the passing game.
You give the defense a chance to rest and recuperate.
You wear down the opponents defense.
.
No other position upgrade provides such a force factor.


Not true. Bill2 made an excellent point a few weeks back when he showed how another top notch WR would have the most positive impact on this team right away. Grabbing Oline guys up front will take some time to see a real pay-off.
I see it this way  
DonnieD89 : 4/1/2015 12:05 pm : link
The Giants have holes everywhere:

OL

T - There best Olineman is Beatty, right now. He is a just an above average LT and pretty much is what he is and the the best LT the Giants have. If he goes down, who is going to take his place. Yes, Pugh could play LT, but do the Giants really want to take that chance, given his play at RT last year? The other question, does Pugh have the goods to be a great RT or is he just serviceable? Yes, it is a need.

G - The Giants have no big time run blocking guard that plays LG and could pull, right now. Schwartz has injury concerns and is best suited at RG. They could put Pugh at LG, but now who can play RT if vacated. Jerry did play well at the end but is not the answer. Yes, it is a need.

TE - Larry Donnell showed promise, but after him there is real solid TE. Yes, it is a need.

WR

OBJ...what can we say? Best ballplayer Giants have. Victor Cruz is coming back with an injury and his status will be unknown. Ruben Randall is inconsistent and his contract will be coming up. There is still a lot of uncertainty at WR outside of OBJ. Yes, it is a need.

DL

DE - JPP is their best DLineman. He is franchised for this year, but we don't know where he will be next year. Demontre Moore still needs to prove himself and be consistent. Ayers played well last year against the pass but not very well against the run and had a season ending injury. Don't know how well Selvie is going to play. Yes, it is a need.

DT - Hankins played very well last year and could even play better. Jenkins is getting older. Bromley and Ellis need to prove themselves. Kuhn's is serviceable at best. Yes, it is a need.

LB - Beason is injury prone and can't stay on the field. Kennard is their only hopeful LB and maybe potential All Pro. McClain is getting old. J.T. Thomas and Casillas are maybe just special teamers like Herzlich, There is uncertainty there. Yes, it is a need.

S - Well...it's been talked about over and over again and we all know it is a need.

CB - Prince is a fine CB as well as DRC, but Prince's contract is up and if we don't sign him, who steps in his place. Yes, it is a need.

All and all going into the draft, this amounts to many needs. Pick #9 is a high pick for the Giants and it is going be whoever is at the highest tier left on the board. Jerry will stay true to it. I think the pick is going to be either WR, DE, DT or OL. Yes, guard could still be their pick, if they think the player is the next Chris Snee (maybe Collins or Scherff). Maybe they think Collins or Scherff can play LT. Maybe they really value Peat at 9. Maybe Shelton or Brown impact the Dline by shutting down the run next to Hankins. Maybe Cooper or White with OBJ make it nearly impossible for opposing DBs to cover. Maybe Beasly or Dupree add tremedous pressure to the QB in Spags system. I don't care what position they pick, as long as he is an impact player.
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