Odell Beckham Jr.

Giants receiver. But yes, he does need longevity. His rookie season might be the greatest rookie season any Giants' offensive player has ever had.

He sure did keep the season interesting.

I'm just praying he stays healthy.

If continues to excel for a decade, we may be talking best to wear an NFL uniform. Hopefully he will extend Eli's career and whoever comes after him.

Is Odell much better than Cruz??

Remember Cruz's touchdown against the Cowboys and Jets...

leaps and bounds better than Cruz

now lets see what happens in year two when defenses will be keying on how to stop him.

OBJ was the entire offense and no one could shut him down last year.

Big difference

I compared him to Greg Jennings (the similarities were amazing). But, man, did he exceed my expectations.

Beckham had huge games against some of the better corners in the league and even when he garnered extra attention, he still made plays. I don't think we need to worry so much about what happens now that defenses are keying on him. Hopefully thats a good thing for everyone else (Randle, Cruz, etc).

In comment 12212776 blueblood said:

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now lets see what happens in year two when defenses will be keying on how to stop him.

Giants had nobody, that defenses feared, after Odell. Opposing defenses were trying to shut him down the second half of the season.

You saw how that went..

If Cruz can come back healthy that is.

Beckham definitely needs longevity. As Bill would say, don't put him in Canton just yet. Because after 2011 I thought Nicks was going to the HOF on wheels.

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anything about him. I expected production towards the end of the year because this system is easier on the Wrs than the previous system. So I expected some sort of production, but no where near the level he produced.

but w/o a ton of catches, because we WILL have a running game, which will also help, Cruz,Randle,Harris,Parker also be more effective.
2 or 3 good receivers and Vereen behind a better OL will let Eli find time to get the open man.

idea he would be that good. you could see he was special from his first game against the falcons.

he is about to break michael irvin's all time consecutive games with a TD record, which irvin set when he was in his prime.

he arguably had the best rookie wide receiver campaign in nfl history (at least modern nfl history), in the conversation with Moss 98.

i'm not worried about teams coming up with schemes to defend him, i'm worried about players taking cheap shots to his legs/late hits.

i haven't bought a giants jersey since my barber/shockey combo in the early 90s. i bought a 13 last week.

just yet...

Not as the 3rd WR in his class...yes the two drafted earlier had good rookie campaigns as well.

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just yet...

no one is putting him in canton. people are sufficiently qualifying his future potential. but given the struggles the giants have faced since super bowl 46, it's nice to have something to get excited about and look forward to. OB has an excitement factor that i can't compare to any giants offensive player since shockey's rookie season. fans of other teams will tune in to giants games to see if he can replicate "the catch".

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In comment 12212799 Canton said:

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In comment 12212776 blueblood said: Quote: now lets see what happens in year two when defenses will be keying on how to stop him. Giants had nobody, that defenses feared, after Odell. Opposing defenses were trying to shut him down the second half of the season. You saw how that went..

I dont agree. There is more tape on the guy and there is also more tape on how the Giants want to use him in their offense..

So as I said while he had a very good year last year.. Id like to see what he does in year TWO..

Throw some cold water on the dude who kept most of us watching last year. Why can't we just enjoy him on OUR team?

was Aaron Donald. I rarely pick a guy the Giants should draft and post about it. He was my guy.

To me, Beckham was the 3rd, 4th or 5th best WR depending on who's mock draft you looked at.

Once our Giants selected Beckham I went back and looked at a lot of video on him. I was very impressed and thought he could be a good Nicks replacement. I had no idea he'd be a dominate WR in his rookie season.

OBJ literally makes some veteran defenders look lost on the field. I've never seen this happen before with a Giants WR.

is it an attempt to diminish our pinch yourself can this be for real feeling 90% of the Giant fan base feels? In November the Giants were
hard to watch, in December they became must see TV because of OBJ. We had something to get excited about and let us dream a little and here comes the let's not put him into Canton crowd and comparing OBJ to a laconic but super talented Hakeem Nicks. You are not allowed to feel good about anything Giants, because the Debby Downers wont let you

Sherman all day. That double move with Sherman trying to hold on for life.
BTW all this talk about keying on him and double teams.
The Rams whole defensive game plan was about stopping Beckham. Its all the press and the team talked about all week.
He is the real deal.. I hope we see this for 8-10 more years...

That looked light a "career" highlight reel. Still hard to fathom, that was all done in only 12 games. He's special man.

In comment 12212875 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:

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Throw some cold water on the dude who kept most of us watching last year. Why can't we just enjoy him on OUR team?

Eh, I can't really blame them considering how our star wideouts (and most of our 1st round draft picks in general) have been going down with serious injuries. Its a defense mechanism.

was very fun and exciting to watch last year. I just want to see what happens next year. Can he put it together two years in a row? Will he prepare even more for next season when he will be even MORE of a target and draw more coverage? Will the popularity and sudden stardom become a distraction to him? Will he do a better job of controlling his emotions on the field?

In comment 12212860 blueblood said:

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In comment 12212799 Canton said: Quote: In comment 12212776 blueblood said: Quote: now lets see what happens in year two when defenses will be keying on how to stop him. Giants had nobody, that defenses feared, after Odell. Opposing defenses were trying to shut him down the second half of the season. You saw how that went.. I dont agree. There is more tape on the guy and there is also more tape on how the Giants want to use him in their offense.. So as I said while he had a very good year last year.. Id like to see what he does in year TWO..

i think you are overrating tape/strategy and underrating beckham's skills/knoweldge/drive not to mention eli's ability to read defenses. ultimately, defensive coordinators can give extra attention to beckham, but that will open up the running game and other receiving options for eli.

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now lets see what happens in year two when defenses will be keying on how to stop him.

Yeah because defenses weren't focusing on him last season. They were too busy trying to figure out how to slow down those other great Giants offensive players... er.. okay.

though tempered by JPP since 2011(albeit his 2nd yr.)..

That would have been a totally unrealistic expectation. However, I was excited by the pick, especially after seeing how effortless he was at the combine. He made a somewhat dismal season fun. Hope he does that for a very long time.

antics or he's going to get killed

and he already has a season of being that good under his belt.

I expect his numbers to regress not so much due to a "sophomore slump" as much as I expect him to be targeted a bit less. I expect our increased number of weapons (hoping Cruz comes back and our new RB) mean fewer looks for OBJ from Eli.

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though tempered by JPP since 2011(albeit his 2nd yr.)..

I'm not worried about OBJ regressing like JPP did. different mentally/emotionally, different skill sets.

RECEIVING
Year Team G Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st FUM
2014 Detroit Lions 13 71 1,077 15.2 82.8 67T 8 16 3 59 0
2013 Detroit Lions 14 84 1,492 17.8 106.6 87 12 22 5 69 1
2012 Detroit Lions 16 122 1,964 16.1 122.8 53 5 40 5 92 3
2011 Detroit Lions 16 96 1,681 17.5 105.1 73T 16 32 10 77 1
2010 Detroit Lions 15 77 1,120 14.5 74.7 87T 12 16 3 57 1
2009 Detroit Lions 14 67 984 14.7 70.3 75T 5 15 4 46 3
2008 Detroit Lions 16 78 1,331 17.1 83.2 96T 12 21 7 52 2
2007 Detroit Lions 15 48 756 15.8 50.4 49 4 12 1 38 1
TOTAL 119 643 10,405 16.2 87.4 96 74 174 38 490 12

2014 Dallas Cowboys 16 88 1,320 15.0 82.5 68T 16 22 5 60 0
2013 Dallas Cowboys 16 93 1,233 13.3 77.1 79 13 14 4 67 3
2012 Dallas Cowboys 16 92 1,382 15.0 86.4 85T 12 19 6 54 2
2011 Dallas Cowboys 15 63 928 14.7 61.9 50T 9 17 2 48 1
2010 Dallas Cowboys 12 45 561 12.5 46.8 46 6 8 3 27 0
TOTAL 75 381 5,424 14.2 72.3 85 56 80 20 256

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2014 Cincinnati Bengals 13 69 1,041 15.1 80.1 81T 6 13 3 46 2
2013 Cincinnati Bengals 16 98 1,426 14.6 89.1 82T 11 18 9 65 1
2012 Cincinnati Bengals 16 97 1,350 13.9 84.4 73T 11 16 7 61 2
2011 Cincinnati Bengals 15 65 1,057 16.3 70.5 58 7 19 7 43 0
TOTAL 60 329 4,874 14.8 81.2 82 35 66 26 215 5

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In comment 12212851 Curtis in VA said:

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Nice link, Curtis. I'd forgotten about quite a few of those catches. Damn, he's amazing. I've never seen anything quite like that.

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bad back was in part because after the super bowl he let himself go and looked pregnant when he showed up for camp in 2012.

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He sure did keep the season interesting. I'm just praying he stays healthy.

I disagree. He showed he could makes these plays while in college.. But it rarely translates directly into the NFL. The kid is something special against other grown ass men..

Perhaps someone out there KNEW this kid had the mentality and physical skills to be great in the NFL. Somebody other than Beckham himself had to of known about his stupid talents.

In comment 12213041 Les in TO said:

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In comment 12212971 Mason said: Quote: ... bad back was in part because after the super bowl he let himself go and looked pregnant when he showed up for camp in 2012.

I may be wrong but I believe it was said by The Giants FO , they wanted him to put on more weight that year. However they probably meant lean muscle ....it looked like he thought that means eat Taco Bell .

experts were skeptical too. to quote walterfootball before the draft last year:
•Lacks size
• Won't out compete big corners for 50-50 balls
• Not a red-zone threat
• Could be limited to the slot in the early going

In comment 12212952 Les in TO said:

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In comment 12212941 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: though tempered by JPP since 2011(albeit his 2nd yr.).. I'm not worried about OBJ regressing like JPP did. different mentally/emotionally, different skill sets.

Les, do you think I hope you're right? :)

only because we knew Martin was gonna be good and Donald was still there...

At the draft NYG party the second his name was called I said out loud "he better fucking be good" and everyone around me was equally as cranky and skeptical. When I got home and watch the highlights of Beckham and saw how he handled himself in interviews and what not, I had a pretty good feeling. But cmon, no one could have predicted this. HE looks like Jerry Rice and RAndy Moss combined.

I think we need to see his consistent performance beyond one season. It really becomes difficult to exceed expectations when you are already put at the top. It's lonely there.

Suspect many teams were looking at his tape in the off season.

fired up about him. He was mentioned, but certainly not like a can't miss game changer. I even remember being unconcerned when he got dinged up during pre season, because we hadn't seen anything out of him. Now, well if he gets injured preseason, this place will melt down. I expect him to continue to be a game changer as long as he's healthy. And if Cruz is back to anywhere near his former level, we should be very tough to defend.

BEckham screams NYG pick in round 1 last year. He was highly productive, came from a big school and can run, jump and has an overall insane skill set. For whatever reason he just slipped under my radar. I was thinking of Evans but he went earlier to the Bucs.

Factor in the need NY had at WR and their love for playmakers...no surprise at all that he was the pick.

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only because we knew Martin was gonna be good and Donald was still there... At the draft NYG party the second his name was called I said out loud "he better fucking be good" and everyone around me was equally as cranky and skeptical. When I got home and watch the highlights of Beckham and saw how he handled himself in interviews and what not, I had a pretty good feeling. But cmon, no one could have predicted this. HE looks like Jerry Rice and RAndy Moss combined.

I thought he would wind up out for most of the year after no pre-season and first 4 regular season games

A lot of us were like, "don't expect much from Beckham this season."

And then.. BOOM.

I was hoping he'd gain some experience down the stretch and at least flash some #1 ability.

Turns out he may have galvanized the entire franchise.

In comment 12213144 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 12213087 djm said: Quote: only because we knew Martin was gonna be good and Donald was still there... At the draft NYG party the second his name was called I said out loud "he better fucking be good" and everyone around me was equally as cranky and skeptical. When I got home and watch the highlights of Beckham and saw how he handled himself in interviews and what not, I had a pretty good feeling. But cmon, no one could have predicted this. HE looks like Jerry Rice and RAndy Moss combined. I thought he would wind up out for most of the year after no pre-season and first 4 regular season games

He has yet to play a full season... Lol

In comment 12212935 Les in TO said:

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In comment 12212860 blueblood said: Quote: In comment 12212799 Canton said: Quote: In comment 12212776 blueblood said: Quote: now lets see what happens in year two when defenses will be keying on how to stop him. Giants had nobody, that defenses feared, after Odell. Opposing defenses were trying to shut him down the second half of the season. You saw how that went.. I dont agree. There is more tape on the guy and there is also more tape on how the Giants want to use him in their offense.. So as I said while he had a very good year last year.. Id like to see what he does in year TWO.. i think you are overrating tape/strategy and underrating beckham's skills/knoweldge/drive not to mention eli's ability to read defenses. ultimately, defensive coordinators can give extra attention to beckham, but that will open up the running game and other receiving options for eli.

Overrating Tape and Strategy ????
Did you actually SAY that ?? Seriously ???

Oh im sorry Im underrating his skill?? where.. underatting ELi's ability ?? where..

I said He had a VERY good year.. Lets see if he can do it again.. It will definitely be MORE of a challenge in year two that in year one.. anyone who doesnt believe that is fooling themselves..

As I am saying he WONT do it.. NO not at all.. I am saying lets see how he handles it..

Remember a year or two ago when some of BBI was saying that JPP was better than LT?? remember that... but then started to see the bulk of double and triple teams??

So while I expect OBJ to be a very good receiver.. I want to see what he does the next year..

In comment 12213147 Curtis in VA said:

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A lot of us were like, "don't expect much from Beckham this season." And then.. BOOM.

People were calling him "she" and a wasted draft pick on this board because he was hurt. Funny how things work out

His numbers against the top of the SEC were pretty awful. That was the one thing that really bothered me about Beckham. If he struggled against the top SEC athletes, would he be tough enough to deal with NFL athletes?

I was a big fan of the rest of his package, but strength/toughness is the thing I doubted.

But in hindsight, one thing that really stands out about Beckham is how none of us could really find a great NFL comp for him. There were a lot of Rodgers Packers, Peyton Colts, and Warner Rams WRs that Beckham was compared to. Jennings, Bruce, and Holt were said often. But none of them felt like ideal comparisons. Beckham just seemed different from everyone. And he was.

about the pick, and wasn't expecting much. I was pulling for Evans as our pick. Then with the injuries, missing most of camp, pre-season and then into the season I was fairly certain he wasn't going to do much last year., and then ... he got on the field. Amazing, just amazing. He was the only reason for excitement last season. I would always watch the Giants games no matter what, but until OBJ got on the field there was no excitement.

No one knows what the future will bring, but I agree with what Reese said ... "this kid is gifted"

he reminds me of Sterling Sharpe. Beckham is nearly the same size and is as uncoverable as Sharpe was.

Something like he is "the next dominant NFL WR and it will start very early".

Also, when Cruz was hurt I said it wouldn't be a downgrade because it meant more Beckham.

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Overrating Tape and Strategy ???? Did you actually SAY that ?? Seriously ??? Oh im sorry Im underrating his skill?? where.. underatting ELi's ability ?? where.. I said He had a VERY good year.. Lets see if he can do it again.. It will definitely be MORE of a challenge in year two that in year one.. anyone who doesnt believe that is fooling themselves.. As I am saying he WONT do it.. NO not at all.. I am saying lets see how he handles it.. Remember a year or two ago when some of BBI was saying that JPP was better than LT?? remember that... but then started to see the bulk of double and triple teams?? So while I expect OBJ to be a very good receiver.. I want to see what he does the next year..

just as the rest of the nfl has more tape and time to plan for how to defend him, beckham has a year of learning under his belt, understanding tendencies of defenders, chemistry with eli, studying film of opponents etc. i expect him to not only match his performance last year but improve.

unlike JPP, this kid seems to have the passion and drive to improve and perfect his craft. i was never on the JPP=LT bandwagon. he had a great 2011 campaign helped in part by his surrounding cast.

saying beckham had a "very good" rookie year is the understatement of 2015. it was a phenomenal year. excellent. record-setting. very good doesn't cut it, dude.

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just yet...

Nobody put him in Canton. But instead of being a dick, maybe you need a reminder of why he will end up there if he keeps on like this?
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i don't have any fears that his popularity/stardom is going to somehow detract from his performance on the field. the kid loves to compete, he is passionate about the game and that is his top priority. i love the attitude and energy he brings and i hope it rubs off on his teammates. i will take 52 guys with beckham's spirit over 52 james brewer's who collect paychecks even though they "manage their emotions"

I didn't have any real expectations going into the season with the bum hamstring and after we picked him i was like yea he's good but is he great. I know damn right he is great now. at least I think he is.

The sky is the limit. Teams were already gameplanning him late in the season & it didn't make a damn bit of difference.

calling him the best thing since sliced bread and indoor toilets..

I think he had a very good year. You want to call it phenomenal.. fine.. thats a matter of adjectives...

I just want to see him do it another year when he will be even more of a target of defenses than he was last year.

That isnt under estimating him or his abilities. I just want to see him continue to improve and excel..

Ill keep my reserved optimism..

How pretentious

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How pretentious

yes it does.

=)

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calling him the best thing since sliced bread and indoor toilets.. I think he had a very good year. You want to call it phenomenal.. fine.. thats a matter of adjectives... I just want to see him do it another year when he will be even more of a target of defenses than he was last year. That isnt under estimating him or his abilities. I just want to see him continue to improve and excel.. Ill keep my reserved optimism..

really what you are saying is that rookies will never truly impress you in any sport. you will only gush or remove your reservations if a rookie can prove that he can sustain success year after year after opponents have a chance in the offseason to study and strategize how to defend them.

jump out at me from watching that highlight reel.

1. OBJ is freakin' amazing (which I never expected along with so many others here). He really is a complete package.

2. The Redskins really sucked last year (and may that continue).

In comment 12213675 Les in TO said:

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really what you are saying is that rookies will never truly impress you in any sport. you will only gush or remove your reservations if a rookie can prove that he can sustain success year after year after opponents have a chance in the offseason to study and strategize how to defend them.

No that is not what I said at all.. I did not say in any way shape or form that rookies cannot impress me. What OBJ did was very good.. now maybe YOU gush all over him.. and your entitled to do that..

What I am saying and I think pretty clearly is that I would like to see him sustain it and do it next year.. and there isnt a coach in the NFL who would not say the exact same thing..

I dont get how you got from me sayin..

I think OBJ had a very good year and I would like to see him sustain it next year.. especially since he will be the focal point of defenses going forward..

To... Ill never be impressed by anu rookie athlete in any sport.. Thats your view of what I said.. and certainly not my thought.. This is where I stand

The truly great players are the ones who are able to continue to ascend and transcend their game.. they continue to grow and develop as a player..

And thats what I want to see from Beckham..

And I hope to see it.. and depending on what the Giants do this offseason.. I believe thats what we will see.

you didn't say it explicitly, but implicit in your argument is that you are not gushing over beckham because he's only performed at a high level for one year and teams will be able to adapt/plan for him over an entire offseason.

well, you can say that about any rookie in any sport. after every rookie season, there is the channce the opposing teams will be able to study how the rookie succeeded and try to stop or slow him down.

your criticism is not a specific insight about his upside or physical limitations that would cause us to curb our enthusiasm. just that he's only done it for one season. just like every rookie in every sport.

bottom line - if you can't get excited about beckham based on what he did, from his first game in the nfl after missing training camp/preseason, to the play of the year in all of sports, to his continous improvement as the season progressed and teams had additional footage on him, to tying a professional football record for most consecutive games with TD receptions - for ALL players, not just for rookies, then it probably takes a hell of a lot to make you happy.

i bet after the giants won their super bowl in 2007, you thought "that's nice. can they repeat?"

why are you so concerned that he won't be able to sustain or improve upon his performance? what makes you think he can't? of course we all want to see him sustain or improve upon his performance. otherwise we wouldn't be giants fans.

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its cool man. I have a different level of enthusiasm than you/ Im not trying to male you see it my way.

heads around what he did and what we have to look forward to. If healthy,
he should develop more of a rapport with Eli and if Cruz is Cruz and if Cooper or White are Giants next season, it will be scary, scary, scary for DB's

expecting any rookie to be great is asking for a big disappointment. That being said, I hoped that Beckham would be a good, possibly very good to great returner as well as a reliable 3rd/slot WR. Needless to say, I am extremely excited that he has played so outstandingly in his rookie year.

He said (paraphrasing) "I'll show you what I can do this coming season."

a good chance that he'll make the 53 again next year, and probably even catch a few passes, but if TC is really smart he'll go with the proven like Reuben Randall and Cruz. After all he's just a rookie who showed a little bit of promise. Rookies come and go, think of JPP, and so many more. Nothing to see here. Yeah, he does have good hands, is deceptive on his routes, can show a bit of speed, almost always catches in traffic, knows where he is spatially on the field, and does show an overaggressive will to win, but come on, he's just another wannabe.

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