Raanan: He predicts Ereck Flowers at 9

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With their choice of any offensive lineman in all of college football I will be happy. I trust their opinion over any media draft expert.

especially their 1st pick. If they take a guy like Flowers even douche bags like myself who don't think any Oline is worth the 9th pick will be very happy.

It means the Giants have found a very good Olineman who took better analysis to find and rate correctly. That in turn would make me happy. Flowers is almost inhuman with his size. Walking brick wall.

He is only 20 and has great size and athletic ability. Can he play LT right away? No but he could develop into a good LT or a great RT.

Kareem McKenzie

they're thinking Flowers, I would rather Scherff. Flowers looked like he has very heavy feet during the combine drills. Would despise it, but I want a plug n play type.

Could the quick release goal of MacAdoo translate better for Flowers' abilities?

That's nuts and makes his mock draft nuts.

If that's who the Giants pick, I'll view it as an indictment on their other choices.

don't want Flowers at #9. Wouldn't hate it, but we can do better. Young with a lot of upside, mauler in the run game, gets to the second level well, and excellent size and strength. But his pass protection needs a lot of work. Sloppy technique, and has a problem with speed rushers. Eli Harold worked him over pretty good IIRC.

Tyron Smith was once a 20 year old, 9th overall pick with upside. He had growing pains starting out on the right side in his rookie year back in 2011 but has started every game of his NFL career and is now a two time Pro Bowler and All Pro at left tackle.

Jonathan Ogden spent his rookie year at LG before moving to LT where he was as dominant as anyone tackle at the position over the past generation.

If you believe in the talent you take him. I believe you could start Flowers day 1 at LG and watch him absolutely maul interior lineman with his size, length and strength while he gets his footwork and technique together for the move outside. Even if he doesn't move to tackle, he'll be a dominant offensive lineman, especially in the run game for the next decade.

....as long as we get a dominant O-Lineman it's all good.

Unless they are in love with him and have him ranked either as the best linemen in the draft or a top 10 player with OL being the biggest need/value.

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between Flowers and Tyron Smith and Jonathan Ogden (perhaps the best left tackle ever).. are significant. Smith and Ogden had/have the blind side well in hand from both speed and power perspectives.

Flowers doesn't have great feet. He has power and good size. I would think he'd be a consolation prize of sorts. The Kareem McKenzie comp is a good one.

he does remind of Kareem Mckenzie.. He looks like a solid prospect but if he's the pick, you can probably trade down and still grab him..

But don't see him as a first round talent. FWIW, Boylhart shows him as 4th round talent, but Esch sees him slotting to the end of the first.

When I watched him, my first impression was that I didn't think he had the feet to play OT in the NFL. I still think he may need to play at guard.

My guess is that he should go sometime in the 2nd round, or maybe even the beginning of the 3rd. I think he'd be a huge reach at #9, and that there will be far better choices available there. If the Giants took him there, I'd be very surprised, and very unhappy.

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But don't see him as a first round talent. FWIW, Boylhart shows him as 4th round talent, but Esch sees him slotting to the end of the first. When I watched him, my first impression was that I didn't think he had the feet to play OT in the NFL. I still think he may need to play at guard. My guess is that he should go sometime in the 2nd round, or maybe even the beginning of the 3rd. I think he'd be a huge reach at #9, and that there will be far better choices available there. If the Giants took him there, I'd be very surprised, and very unhappy.

If Boylhart had him at 4th round talent than he must be on that special crack/meth pipe. I like Boylhart but let's not pretend that like most of these experts he gets his picks wrong more often than right. Like that whole Matt Barkley is a better prospect than Andrew Luck..cough..cough.

LT OL at 9. From what I've read and seen, Flowers doesn't seem like a natural LT.

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In comment 12214156 TC said: Quote: If Boylhart had him at 4th round talent than he must be on that special crack/meth pipe. I like Boylhart but let's not pretend that like most of these experts he gets his picks wrong more often than right. Like that whole Matt Barkley is a better prospect than Andrew Luck..cough..cough.

No, I don't take Boylhart as the voice of God either, sometimes he's right, and sometimes he's wrong. But rather offer his opinion as that of a legitimate evaluator with a long track record who has a very different opinion than Flowers deserving the #9 pick.

I really like Flowers' aggression and strength, but all too often felt he can look really clumsy. Could just need more technique work, but I wouldn't bet the #9 pick on it.

Wow...Talk about being miles apart in opinion..

any o-line pick in round 1 will work for me as I trust they will select a good one. Then I can start praying they pick another good one before they get to round 4.

We've known they've had an eye on Flowers, we know they really like Peat. I'd wager they really like Scherff. Leads me to wonder how they view them relative to each other at #9, as the more mocks you run the more it appears OT is the pick.

Morning Kickoff show on Sirius today. Both of them were in agreement that they weren't extremely high on Flowers, felt he was better suited to be a G than a T.

someone who admittedly gets most of my college football information from scouting sites, youtube and BBI I feel like if they MUST go OL at 9 that Scherff is the guy to take. Big upside, great athlete and no more likely to be a bust than the others.

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someone who admittedly gets most of my college football information from scouting sites, youtube and BBI I feel like if they MUST go OL at 9 that Scherff is the guy to take. Big upside, great athlete and no more likely to be a bust than the others.

Dan, as a guy in the same boat, I'd agree, if OL is our pick, Scherff seems to be the natural pick...But, what do I know..

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In comment 12214259 DanMetroMan said: Quote: someone who admittedly gets most of my college football information from scouting sites, youtube and BBI I feel like if they MUST go OL at 9 that Scherff is the guy to take. Big upside, great athlete and no more likely to be a bust than the others. Dan, as a guy in the same boat, I'd agree, if OL is our pick, Scherff seems to be the natural pick...But, what do I know..

Hard for me to feel strongly about something I don't watch a ton of and OL in particular isn't exactly my focus when watching a game. Just sounds like the "consensus" is that Scherff is a great athlete who could be a pro-bowler at guard and a legit shot to play tackle. I haven't read anything to suggest that his "bigger" upside goes with more downside aka a big "project". I'm hoping for Cooper (on video the guy is damn good) but again, I'm mostly at the mercy of BBI, other websites and youtube.

and based on all I've read, my personal fave is Beasley, but it appears that the chances of that happening are slim and none..Next fave is Cooper..

appear to be slim and none..I think Spags would have a ball with him..Perhaps in a Von Miller type role

than the Giants usually pick the player not on everyone elses radar.

If I am going OL at 9 I am going with 4 other guys before I get to Flowers

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But don't see him as a first round talent. FWIW, Boylhart shows him as 4th round talent, but Esch sees him slotting to the end of the first. When I watched him, my first impression was that I didn't think he had the feet to play OT in the NFL. I still think he may need to play at guard. My guess is that he should go sometime in the 2nd round, or maybe even the beginning of the 3rd. I think he'd be a huge reach at #9, and that there will be far better choices available there. If the Giants took him there, I'd be very surprised, and very unhappy.

Didn't Boylhart also have Ryan Nassis #1 overall? Who was that?

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I think that was Nolan Narwocki, of the late, great Pro Football Weekly. He also did the write-ups at NFL.com prior to Lance Zierlein.

is Jordan's write-up on why....
NFL mock draft: Why I picked Ereck Flowers to Giants at No. 9 - ( New Window )

In comment 12214128 Emlen'sGremlins said:

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....as long as we get a dominant O-Lineman it's all good.

Absolutely agree, the OL needs a mauler

If they feel strongly, go ahead and make the pick.

It's probably actually difficult to pick incorrectly when you're in the top 10. You're going to get a very good player.

excellent comparison for Flowers imo

taking Beasley at all. It would shock me.

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taking Beasley at all. It would shock me.

Perhaps, but he most likely doesn't make it to 9, so it's rather moot

the Giants' infatuation with Flowers at 9 has gone public suggests to me that what they are really doing is planting leaks to the press in order to announce to other teams that "we are willing to trade down: we know he'll be available later on in Round One, so make us an offer."

That is all.

It's been several times this offseason.

Somewhere in round 1

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NFL Media's Bucky Brooks joins "NFL AM" to reveal some prospects that are worth trading up for in the draft. Vic Beasley, OLB/DE, Clemson La'el Collins, OL, LSU Landon Collins, SS, Alabama Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia Danny Shelton, DT, Washington

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but if the Giants go OL in round 1 I would rather take Collins. Collins is more likely to be able to shift to LT someday and I am convinced that Flowers will never be able to handle the left side.

twenties, possibly 2nd round... don't know if Mara could stomach that risk. Especially with the our recent draft record. How many GMs would be laughing @ us.

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twenties, possibly 2nd round... don't know if Mara could stomach that risk. Especially with the our recent draft record. How many GMs would be laughing @ us.

Other GMs haven't won 2 SBs in 7 years..Let them laugh away..

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but that is coming from the draft guru guys and how THEY rank players.. Thats not necessarily how the teams rank them at all. We know that the Giants feel that Flowers is what Reese calls a " blue Goose " thats going to carry more value for them. If another team doesnt see him that way.. he will have less value..

So, if you value that, there it is.