NFT: Met fans- Regular season predictions

and they'll play the Reds in the playoffs

comeback player of the year

Flores cements his position as starter, batting avg 275, 80 RBI, 20 HR

Flores: .270 with 16 home runs
Wright: .265 with 21 home runs
Lagares: .290 and Gold Glove
Granderson: .245 with 29 home runs

Outstanding pitching staff winds up with one of the top
three e.r.a. stats in MLB.

Spring Training. If you want make a after-spring training list or maybe you want this to be more individual predictions?
BBI Predictions

ZGiants 87 wins
Metnut 84 wins
Arc 84 wins
Dan 83 wins
Eric 85 wins
Shecky 84 wins
Feelflows 81 wins
PhiPsi 81 wins (83 if unicorns fly)
PJ 83.5
Speedy 82 wins
Headhunter 84 wins
Nyquist 87 wins

In comment 12217210 ZGiants98 said:

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Spring Training. If you want make a after-spring training list or maybe you want this to be more individual predictions? BBI Predictions ZGiants 87 wins Metnut 84 wins Arc 84 wins Dan 83 wins Eric 85 wins Shecky 84 wins Feelflows 81 wins PhiPsi 81 wins (83 if unicorns fly) PJ 83.5 Speedy 82 wins Headhunter 84 wins Nyquist 87 wins

So I'm the Debbie downer of the bunch, huh? That's OK. When management makes decisions based on winning and not money I will change my tune.

Cuddyer healthy, granderson making contact and Wright back to Shea Wright can add almost 10 wins.

The Lack of organizational hitting depth will be our undoing once the inevitable injuries to older players like Granderson/Wright/Cuddyer set in. I don't trust Niese and Gee over the long haul and you can't expect Thor and Matz to be difference makers in their first major league season. The bullpen will be ok but blow just enough saves that we'll fall just shy of the playoffs.

2016 will be our year.

Wright 20
Cuddyer 20
Duda 30
Granderson 30
Flores 20
Murphy15
TDA 15
Lagares 10

In comment 12217222 ZGiants98 said:

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Wright 20 Cuddyer 20 Duda 30 Granderson 30 Flores 20 Murphy15 TDA 15 Lagares 10

I need to see Cuddyer stay healthy to believe that. Granderson showed great discipline in ST. If he can keep that up I'd go with 25. Wright higher than 20 if he keeps off the slider in the dirt.

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In comment 12217210 ZGiants98 said:

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Spring Training. If you want make a after-spring training list or maybe you want this to be more individual predictions? BBI Predictions ZGiants 87 wins Metnut 84 wins Arc 84 wins Dan 83 wins Eric 85 wins Shecky 84 wins Feelflows 81 wins PhiPsi 81 wins (83 if unicorns fly) PJ 83.5 Speedy 82 wins Headhunter 84 wins Nyquist 87 wins

Yeah, you love to throw out that unicorn line, don't you? I mean, you've only referred to it about 18 times since that thread. That's okay, we all remember your line about you claiming not to be the type of person to throw it in others faces...yet you've proved to contradict that on every thread since then. We'll see how it goes if/when the Mets make the playoffs.

As for the predictions...I know everyone is euphoric off of the darn good spring training we've had, but I caution you...it's only spring training. I'm not going to say that Spring Training results don't mean anything, but I'm also willing to bet that the Mets won't have one of the top three offenses in baseball over the course of the regular season. There's lots to be excited about. And the best case scenario is that I'm wrong about a lot of my views. And I'm okay with that.

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The Mets need him to be around .290 and 20 to make their lineup potent.

I think DeGrom and Harvey will be as good a top two as there is in baseball. They need a third starter to step up and be good. Colon is too old. Gee is Gee. I think it comes down to Niese bouncing back or Montero stepping up.

like most everyone is in the 81-87 game range. Things went well this spring (other than Wheeler/Edgin lol) so I think we have a good shot to hit the "over" on my pre-spring 84 win prediction.

IMO, Mets threads are tense enough already at times. Hopefully no one uses these predictions to throw in others faces. That would definitely degrade the quality of future Mets threads.

Thoughts on Thor???
How low has he dropped in our minds?
Last year we were expecting him up after super 2.....now where do we see him?

They will keep it interesting until Labor Day and they will pull a NY Islanders like swoon because of lack of depth. 80 wins but 2016 will be our year.

In comment 12217273 NewBlue said:

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Thoughts on Thor??? How low has he dropped in our minds? Last year we were expecting him up after super 2.....now where do we see him?

Hasn't dropped for me. His stuff is nasty. If he played out east in AAA his numbers would reflect.

He will be a great addition to this staff in 2015.

maybe he can give the bottom part of that rotation a jolt mid season.

Matz gets the call before Thor. This is in NO WAY a knock on Thor, but how good I feel about Matz

In comment 12217245 PhiPsi125 said:

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In comment 12217210 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Spring Training. If you want make a after-spring training list or maybe you want this to be more individual predictions? BBI Predictions ZGiants 87 wins Metnut 84 wins Arc 84 wins Dan 83 wins Eric 85 wins Shecky 84 wins Feelflows 81 wins PhiPsi 81 wins (83 if unicorns fly) PJ 83.5 Speedy 82 wins Headhunter 84 wins Nyquist 87 wins Yeah, you love to throw out that unicorn line, don't you? I mean, you've only referred to it about 18 times since that thread. That's okay, we all remember your line about you claiming not to be the type of person to throw it in others faces...yet you've proved to contradict that on every thread since then. We'll see how it goes if/when the Mets make the playoffs. As for the predictions...I know everyone is euphoric off of the darn good spring training we've had, but I caution you...it's only spring training. I'm not going to say that Spring Training results don't mean anything, but I'm also willing to bet that the Mets won't have one of the top three offenses in baseball over the course of the regular season. There's lots to be excited about. And the best case scenario is that I'm wrong about a lot of my views. And I'm okay with that.

LOL. I literally copied and pasted what everyone put down from that day. I thought it was funny you put that actually. And I have literally shown the list as is like that one other time. Holy fucking sensitive.

In comment 12217224 feelflows said:

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In comment 12217222 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Wright 20 Cuddyer 20 Duda 30 Granderson 30 Flores 20 Murphy15 TDA 15 Lagares 10 I need to see Cuddyer stay healthy to believe that. Granderson showed great discipline in ST. If he can keep that up I'd go with 25. Wright higher than 20 if he keeps off the slider in the dirt.

This is obviously what Im predicting off of health from all. Not everyone will make it through in one piece. Granderson would have hit 29 homeruns last year with our new dimensions. Even if he's slightly better this year, 30 is actually reasonable.

Thor
Matz
Montero (should be)
Gorski

How does the kid from Princeton look? Bowman. Starts in Bingo or Vegas?

questions this spring were 1.) How would Harvey look and if he was truly back. 2.) How did Wright look and if he was truly back 3.) How Granderson look after working with Long. 4.) How does Flores look at SS. 5.) an the Mets fix the LOOGY situation.

I might be leaving some stuff out but those seemed to the biggest worries/concerns and the Mets largely knocked it out of the park. The Wheeler injury sucks but it won't be enough to compensate for the comebacks of Harvey, Wright, and Granderson.

Obviously the three kids (Lagares, TDA, and Flores) are worth monitoring but I have them all down for league average. Two of the Three had nice springs. Duda looked like the Incredible Hulk the last week and half or so again. Im expecting a HUGE year from Duda.

I said 87/88 at all offseason. I erred on the side of caution for the most part. After seeing Wright, Harvey, and Granderson Ill bump it up to a solid 88 wins.

In comment 12217314 NewBlue said:

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Thor Matz Montero (should be) Gorski How does the kid from Princeton look? Bowman. Starts in Bingo or Vegas?

Princecum will absolutely be in Vegas and he might be the ace of the staff. He looked incredible.

Mets then take off under Backman/Gardenhire to win 88 games, and will be the 2nd WC spot.

Nice writeup on St. Lucie which will be absolutely loaded.
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In comment 12217325 No Where Man said:

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Mets then take off under Backman/Gardenhire to win 88 games, and will be the 2nd WC spot.

I can't see it. The Mets are too talented and if they win Collins isn't going anywhere.

vs. the pre-ST prediction. Still some concern with the 9th inning since Mejia isn't exactly elite and Parnell's coming back from TJS, but overall the depth in the pen is very good now. In terms of every day players I'm pretty bullish on just about everyone so the only major concern is health. A few other predictions:
- Flying under the radar, Colon pitches even better year than last season
- Montero's lights out from the pen and possibly takes over the 8th inning
- First call-up (whenever it comes) will be Thor and he'll be solid from day 1 (similar to Wheeler but better control)
- Bowman will get a few starts at some point and look solid
- Casey McGehee will suck and SF will trade for Murphy at the deadline (Sandy will get a good prospect)
- Whatever need arises, Sandy will make a his first big buyer deadline move

...and surprises a lot of people

I think he hits .275 with 15 HR's and steals 25-30 bases and turns into one of the better all around CF's.

That's my "bold" prediction.

Aside from that.. I think Wright has a bounceback year and puts together one of his more solid years.

deGrom and Harvey should be Ace 1 & 2

Since it can't be all roses and ponies, someone like TDA will probably struggle and have a tough year. I wouldn't be shocked if Duda's power regressed back around 24-25 HR's.. which is still ok. But I don't think he'll hit 30 again.

I think Matz will have more impact than Syndergaard.. not just this year, but over the long term

And I think Jeurys Familia is the closer by May.

I'll stick with my 84 wins though I admit there's certainly potential for more if we don't get hit with the injury bug.

Good for you but you do realize adding two wins for two LOOGYS is almost impossible right? Just messing with you man. ;)

In comment 12217278 NewBlue said:

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They will keep it interesting until Labor Day and they will pull a NY Islanders like swoon because of lack of depth. 80 wins but 2016 will be our year.

I actually see the opposite of this. I could see us staying around .500 and then taking off at the break because of our depth and reinforcements From Thor, Matz, Montero, Plawecki, Reynolds, Herrera, ect.

For Mets fans

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Good for you but you do realize adding two wins for two LOOGYS is almost impossible right? Just messing with you man. ;)

lol - Torres isn't a "loogy" and it's not impossible if you think the alternative could have been negative value players. Familia and Mejia didn't combine for 2 WAR last year, but they obviously were more than a 2 game improvement than Farnsworth and Valverde. Hell, they may have been a 5 game upgrade.

But if Torres and Blevens are worth even one win together Ill send you a hundred dollars. If they are worth two wins Ill send you a Signed Piazza ball. Thats how confident I am. lol

They should be improved enough to pick up one more win every other week compared to last season which would add another 13 wins to last seasons 79.

If we stay healthy. Wild Card contender.

In comment 12217243 Giants2012 said:

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Around the Horn

C - D'Arnard - Good numbers yet needs great offensive numbers
1st - Duda - will he hit lefties more consistently?
2nd - Murphy - nice bat and will give up runs defensively
SS - Flores - see Murphy
3rd - Wright - best days aren't today or in front of him. Needs a big year and the shoulder, IMO, is a big question
CF - Lags - I think he'll get better all around.
LF - Cuddy - Solid player who misses time.
RF - Grandy - streaky hitter who strikes out a lot.
Bench - so/so

SP
Harvey - I think he'll return to being an Ace
deGrom - I think he'll be better
Niese - time bomb shoulder and questionable until then IMO
Gee - average at best
Colon - up and down
BP - getting better.

76 wins (just too many questions and banking on upside around the horn is wishful hoping IMO).

...despite getting their best SP back, a full season of deGrom, etc..?

That makes... zero sense.

..and are worse in 2015 than they were in 2014, it means half the team got hurt. There's literally no other way I can see that happening.

Did the lose Wheeler?

Did I say Niese was potentially an issue and didn't post much about Gee and Colon?

Did San Diego get better?

Did Florida get better?

Will Cincy be better?

Will Chicago be better?

Doesn't make sense huh?

76 wins

In comment 12217330 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 12217325 No Where Man said: Quote: Mets then take off under Backman/Gardenhire to win 88 games, and will be the 2nd WC spot. I can't see it. The Mets are too talented and if they win Collins isn't going anywhere.

This is actually a scary thought. Are the Mets good enough to win despite Collins? Sure, I suppose. But Collins is not a good enough manager to really lead them anywere. I guess it's a good problem to have, but still a problem nonetheless.

If the bats start out as hot as they've been in ST they could very easily be 5-10 games over .500 regardless of whatever decisions Collins makes.

In comment 12217466 Eric on Li said:

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If the bats start out as hot as they've been in ST they could very easily be 5-10 games over .500 regardless of whatever decisions Collins makes.

This argument has been beaten to death, but for the most part I agree with you. I think most average managers don't affect wins losses very much. However, I think that good managers vs bad manager certainly do affect wins and losses. Maddon is a great example of a good manager that did a lot with very little. Collins is the anti-Maddon. Plus, Collins confirms his sub-mediocrity status every time he opens his mouth.

Collins will not elevate this team in any way. Even if they make it as a wild card I don't see him guiding them on a run unless Harvey or JdG go nuts and throw 2 shutouts each every series. But who knows?

The best thing that's happened this spring is that there are literally no more excuses about the talent level of this squad, and anything short of being actively in the hunt will lead to him getting fired swiftly. With the BP acquisitions he has nothing left to publicly complain about "needing" - it's all on him (which is the mentality he should have always conveyed).

but I still think we can in spite of him. Harvey and deGrom in a short series could be lethal. Bumgarner alone won the WS for the Giants last year.

but if you think he will cost this team games? Nonsense, the perception exists because all of his teams have stunk. He has the horses, let's see what he does with them

most of his games managed with the exception of West Coast week night games. I've seen moves back fire, I've seen moves pay off, but to call him a good or bad manager is just personal bias.

DW - 27 HRs, .292 avg
Cuddyer - 22 HRs
Grandy - 22 HRs
Duda - 31 HRs
Harvey - 16 wins
de Grom - 18 wins

been his mentality (or how I perceive his public comments, namely the constant excuses he's made). He has never projected a no excuses mentality and in my view he's consistently tried to shift blame towards management. Not an unfair argument, but also not exactly world class leadership.

It's not even worth evaluating his decision making in what's amounted to mostly meaningless games. It's also fair to say he has not had a single playoff caliber roster to work with. But he's been here for 4 full seasons and every one of them had a meaningless August. Bobby Valentine had some rosters with some pretty glaring weakness and he only once won less than 82 games. Put up or shut up time for Terry, not that anyone seems to disagree with that.

In comment 12217546 Headhunter said:

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most of his games managed with the exception of West Coast week night games. I've seen moves back fire, I've seen moves pay off, but to call him a good or bad manager is just personal bias.

If you think it's nonsense, then fine. To each his own. But if there are metrics to evaluate managers, I'm willing to bet he stacks up as a bad one. He's a career loser...everywhere he's managed, he's sucked. Not all of them were bad teams and most of them started winning the second he left.

Calling him a bad manager isn't personal bias. That's a fact. There's a reason he's the lowest paid manager in the bigs.

you will probably be a lousy Manager. If you have very good baseball players you will probably be a good Manager. I don't remember reading 1 off the record comment from the clubhouse questioning TC's strategy or use of players. They just weren't very good players. I don't go back to the Angels and Astros, those were a baseball lifetime ago. Most people grow
and learn from their mistakes.

Is, as mentioned above, there is no metric. Strategy can be beaten to death, but the reality is most managers manage by the same book outside of a Larussa.

The reality is, a manager (or any coach) can sometimes get more out of their players than others. And that is invaluable. Can't be measured with any metric, nor ever will. Another example is how 'up for a game' can a manager get his team?

A great example but wrong sport would be Rex Ryan. He completely changed the culture of a horrible franchise. Had them playing WAY over their heads. Got to two Conf Championships with a useless QB. And all along, Rex made some really bad in game decisions. But he got players to buy in, believe they were better than they were, and put each player in the best position to help the team.

That's what makes a manager. And there aren't many great ones in any sport. Precisely why I feel the front office majorly fucked up this offseason not even trying to get Maddon, the rare excellent baseball manager.

In comment 12217574 Headhunter said:

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you will probably be a lousy Manager. If you have very good baseball players you will probably be a good Manager. I don't remember reading 1 off the record comment from the clubhouse questioning TC's strategy or use of players. They just weren't very good players. I don't go back to the Angels and Astros, those were a baseball lifetime ago. Most people grow and learn from their mistakes.

Major, major problem with the lousy player argument there HH... How did the teams do as soon as Collins left? Same players, different manager, different results. It's about as damning as it gets.

In comment 12217574 Headhunter said:

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you will probably be a lousy Manager. If you have very good baseball players you will probably be a good Manager. I don't remember reading 1 off the record comment from the clubhouse questioning TC's strategy or use of players. They just weren't very good players. I don't go back to the Angels and Astros, those were a baseball lifetime ago. Most people grow and learn from their mistakes.

LOL, so we can just ignore someone's entire history in their profession? Why, because it helps to prove YOUR point? SOME people grow and learn from their mistakes. Collins public stubbornness and lack of conventional wisdom makes me believe that he is not one of those people. And as much as you don't want history to play a part in this, it does.

But I guess you want to forget that the GM had to be talked into keeping Collins this season too, right?

In comment 12217585 Shecky said:

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In comment 12217574 Headhunter said: Quote: you will probably be a lousy Manager. If you have very good baseball players you will probably be a good Manager. I don't remember reading 1 off the record comment from the clubhouse questioning TC's strategy or use of players. They just weren't very good players. I don't go back to the Angels and Astros, those were a baseball lifetime ago. Most people grow and learn from their mistakes. Major, major problem with the lousy player argument there HH... How did the teams do as soon as Collins left? Same players, different manager, different results. It's about as damning as it gets.

Shecky, HH doesn't go back to those teams because the were a lifetime ago...and, er, it doesn't support his argument.

Sooo...oof...awkward.

you and me are not seeing the world the same way. No biggie

much of the problems he had previously as manager stemmed from his personality and how poorly he dealt with the pressures to win and the losses when they happened. Apparently he was very intense and put tremendous pressure on his players and it wore thin. His first go around he was aged 45 when he first became manager and then 50 when it ended. He then managed and coached in the minors for a long time dealing with a lot of youngsters and now is 65 years old. I think it is very fair to say he is not the same person as he was and has learned a lot in how to deal with his players when finally getting his "last" chance at managing with the Mets.

I wanted him fired during this past season because I believed the team was to the point where a change would have benefited them, but it had nothing to do with the problems he apparently had in the past. I really don't think he has the same issues he had fifteen years ago.

Starting this season he definitely has earned, and deserves the chance to mange the team now that they finally have some decent talent. The players seem to like him and play hard for him and that is no small detail going forward. Now if after the first six or eight weeks they are not playing up to expectations they probably need to look at making a change. The organization can't waste this season.

or you could be wrong. I'm not as well versed with the beginning of his managerial career. All I can do is go by the numbers.

Evaluating minor league managers is tough because of how transitional those leagues are. It's purely developmental and much different from the pros. But he did manage 11 seasons in the minors so there must have been some positives.

On the major league level, he's been a bust everywhere he's gone. Astros, Angels, Mets. Even his two years in Japan were an atrocity. In 10 major league seasons, he's had win totals in the 80s three times. Add Japan to that and it's even worse. And those Astros and Angels teams were not bad by any stretch of imagination. And both teams were better after he left. Before the Mets signed him he was out of MLB for 11 years. 11 Years.

Sure, I'm sure he's grown since he began 20 years ago. That doesn't mean that he was EVER any good or that he would suddenly grow into a better, or at least average manager. It's hard to understand how anyone can defend TC based on history/stats/the eye test, but I can appreciate your opinion. But most of all, what sticks in my mind, is that the GM had to be convinced to keep him going into this season. And that's damning.

But I don't pay too much attention to past records. Take a look at Joe Torre's managerial record prior to his managing the Yankees and it looks pretty awful.

Collins has more talent to work with this season. I think they will play hard for him and there will be a big improvement with the teams record. But if they don't I certainly hope they don't waste the entire season with him as manager and will move to make a change sooner than later.

I think you:

1. Underestimate Harvey, record might be 15 - 6 (so since you only had a record prediction (didn't read the thread, only the OP) maybe you're not underestimating him, but I think it will be with 200k's, a sub 2.5 ERA, and a sub 1.2 WHIP. So he will out pitch his record.

2. Over-estimate Lagares.

otherwise I don't see any basis for debating your other predictions, I don't think they'll win 87 games, but I guess 82 - 85, so we're not far off.

In comment 12217712 steve in ky said:

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But I don't pay too much attention to past records. Take a look at Joe Torre's managerial record prior to his managing the Yankees and it looks pretty awful. Collins has more talent to work with this season. I think they will play hard for him and there will be a big improvement with the teams record. But if they don't I certainly hope they don't waste the entire season with him as manager and will move to make a change sooner than later.

LOL, Joe Torre inherited one of the best teams ever assembled fueled by an unlimited payroll. Yeah, great comparison.

Not really comparing them as far as what I expect of him but just pointing out that a guys record can look pretty awful and then when given some decent talent have that record improved. That doesn't mean Collins is or ever will come close to what Torre accomplished only that it isn't out of the question that the Mets can play good ball with him as their manager.

In comment 12217742 steve in ky said:

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Not really comparing them as far as what I expect of him but just pointing out that a guys record can look pretty awful and then when given some decent talent have that record improved. That doesn't mean Collins is or ever will come close to what Torre accomplished only that it isn't out of the question that the Mets can play good ball with him as their manager.

Oh, I understood what you meant. My point is that Torre's record with the Yankees is irrelevant. A monkey would have won four chips as the manager. The Yankees didnt have "decent" talent...they had generational talent. Even TC could win with those yankees. Doesn't make him a good manager.

But, hey, we disagree. No big deal.

Harvey and deGrom pitch like aces. The Mets team has balanced contributions from offense, pitching and the pen. Wright, Lagares, Murphy and Cuddyer all flirt with .300 - two of them make it. Duda and Grandy total 60 hr's. Flores has a solid year. Reynolds replaces Tejada. Matz and Montero replace Gee and Colon who get traded. Plawecki replaces Recker.

the predictions might be as high as 105 wins.

Add, Cuddyer and Harvey then subtract Wheels. Sure, deGrom for a full year yet Niese, Gee and Colon aren't exactly what we expected in the rotation with Thor, Montero and Matz not starting. Meanwhile, it's the same roster except add age to both corner outfielders and the 3rd baseman. Also, despite the bat potential the middle infield hasn't improved defensively while we're hoping the catcher hits better than his spring average.

Also the league includes the Dodgers, Cards, Giants, Nationals and the improved Padres, with the Reds, Cubs and Marlins looking better than last year.

Everybody appears adamantly confident. Hope it's not hype and legit b/c I don't see a ton of improvement around the diamond.

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Of getting a healthy Wright back and Harvey, if we had acquired Clayton Kershaw and Tulo instead if perceptions would be different. Hmmm.

In comment 12218184 ZGiants98 said:

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Of getting a healthy Wright back and Harvey, if we had acquired Clayton Kershaw and Tulo instead if perceptions would be different. Hmmm.

Undefeated dynasty for a decade?

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Of getting a healthy Wright back and Harvey, if we had acquired Clayton Kershaw and Tulo instead if perceptions would be different. Hmmm.

Only if that Tulo was healthy...

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Did the lose Wheeler? Did I say Niese was potentially an issue and didn't post much about Gee and Colon? Did San Diego get better? Did Florida get better? Will Cincy be better? Will Chicago be better? Doesn't make sense huh? 76 wins

No, it doesn't make sense. These other teams are "better", so the Mets will be worse? Even though the Mets are also better? Who cares about Gee and Colon.. Dillon Gee isn't going to be in the rotation all year. You're easily the dumbest poster on these threads. Can we make a deal that if they win over 80 games, you never post on a Met thread again?

It's fine if you think his opinion is wrong etc. But because he disagrees with an opinion makes him wrong?

No one asked for it. I can handle myself.

Granderson strikes out less than 125 times.
Duda hits 30hr

There will be drama when Harvey gets close to his innings max

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No one asked for it. I can handle myself.

Ahhhhhhh, got it. Just in the mood to be a dick. Carry on lol

In comment 12218227 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 12217443 Giants2012 said: Quote: Did the lose Wheeler? Did I say Niese was potentially an issue and didn't post much about Gee and Colon? Did San Diego get better? Did Florida get better? Will Cincy be better? Will Chicago be better? Doesn't make sense huh? 76 wins No, it doesn't make sense. These other teams are "better", so the Mets will be worse? Even though the Mets are also better? Who cares about Gee and Colon.. Dillon Gee isn't going to be in the rotation all year. You're easily the dumbest poster on these threads. Can we make a deal that if they win over 80 games, you never post on a Met thread again?

Do you really have to go down the road everytime somebody doesn't agree with you?

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In comment 12218184 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Of getting a healthy Wright back and Harvey, if we had acquired Clayton Kershaw and Tulo instead if perceptions would be different. Hmmm. Only if that Tulo was healthy...

I can't believe nobody got the analogy I was trying to make. A healthy Wright IS better then a healthy Tulo.

In comment 12218251 Giants2012 said:

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In comment 12218227 arcarsenal said: Quote: In comment 12217443 Giants2012 said: Quote: Did the lose Wheeler? Did I say Niese was potentially an issue and didn't post much about Gee and Colon? Did San Diego get better? Did Florida get better? Will Cincy be better? Will Chicago be better? Doesn't make sense huh? 76 wins No, it doesn't make sense. These other teams are "better", so the Mets will be worse? Even though the Mets are also better? Who cares about Gee and Colon.. Dillon Gee isn't going to be in the rotation all year. You're easily the dumbest poster on these threads. Can we make a deal that if they win over 80 games, you never post on a Met thread again? Do you really have to go down the road everytime somebody doesn't agree with you?

Nope, just when you're purposely dense. I know what your shtick is by now.

Put your money where your mouth is. I said 84 wins so I'll meet you half way and put the over/under at 80. If the Mets win more than 80 games, you can vanish. If they win less than 80, I will.

Deal?

90 Wins. Time for this team to get some breaks.
Cuddyer signing becomes key. 20+ HR and Leadership galore takes the pressure off DW.
DW bounces back nicely 18 HR, 90 RBI, .285
Long helps Grandy relax and use the whole field. 27 HR, .260
Lagares breaks out big time. 15 HR, 30 2B, .285
Duda runs into enough Fastballs. 31 HR, 88 RBI
TDA regresses and Plawecki is the Catcher by end of May
Flores makes the routine plays and HITS. 16 HR, .280
Harvey and DeGrom are themselves
Montero becomes a key to the bullpen
Matz replaces the first starter to go down. Your pick of hopefully only Gee or Colon.

Nice call out of Giants2012 by arc here. Let's see if Giants2012 accepts the bet and actually puts his money where his mouth is. He just trolls Mets threads anyway and posts on Yankee threads as a yankee fan as well. Is this GaryFL's latest account???

On August 31, 2015

Probably just miss the WC. 30+ homers for Duda and a reasonable bounce back season for Wright.

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In comment 12218251 Giants2012 said: Quote: In comment 12218227 arcarsenal said: Nope, just when you're purposely dense. I know what your shtick is by now. Put your money where your mouth is. I said 84 wins so I'll meet you half way and put the over/under at 80. If the Mets win more than 80 games, you can vanish. If they win less than 80, I will. Deal?

Oh, so now I'm dense b/c I don't agree with you? Is that how it works? A hissy fit when others don't agree with you? Rather than waive your hands around like a f'ing buffoon perhaps you take a look around the horn then put you Jets personality away for a few moments. Is that too much to ask of you or do you need a hug of reassurance that you're opinion is the correct one regardless? No worries, I know the answer.

That Ofield doesn't include Conforto and Nimmo at the corners but rather two old outfielders. You need a new set of glasses or just hug to see that?

The 3rd baseman is getting old while the middle infield isn't stable. The catcher looks ok and his defense appears to be improving (hence, appears, not that you could tell the difference) while his offense this spring is comical. Oh, but it's just spring training for him so no worries while praising the others? That's how it works? Meanwhile, you're hard on for Harvey and deGrom might be justified but before pull out, recognize the back three aren't Wheeler, Thor, Montero or Matz but rather mediocre Gee, throw a ton of pitches Niese and hit or miss Colon. Save your crystal ball of Jets/Mets bias that some will be traded or reach your heights of achievement of March/April.

Raise a banner and douche bag attitude for Harvey and Cuddyer while the rest of the roster is the same or older. Yippe and I'll gladly put my money where my post is yet you might want more to the table than what you sit on most the day.

76 wins. B.T.W. - the Giants may have had a better team with 6 wins this past year than 7 wins the prior year. Agree or whine at others opinions if they disagree like the NY Mets.

In comment 12218229 Shecky said:

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It's fine if you think his opinion is wrong etc. But because he disagrees with an opinion makes him wrong?

It's the M.O. of he and a few others when not agreed with. No surprise he can't turn the corner.

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In comment 12218677 Headhunter said:

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You're a real winner and a class act. Keep playing that middle man Mr. Happy. Thank goodness for linkedin.

Do not feed him

Duda & Mets still talking into tomorrow

In comment 12218693 Headhunter said:

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Duda & Mets still talking into tomorrow

You might be seeing an old tweet. Talks are done according to his agent directly.

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In comment 12218731 Headhunter said:

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OK chief. Let me know how it goes and what they have to say.

He's not a Met fan IMO.

heading into the season. (grin)

83. I would love to be surprised, but am pessimistic by nature.

In comment 12218669 Giants2012 said:

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In comment 12218409 arcarsenal said: Quote: In comment 12218251 Giants2012 said: Quote: In comment 12218227 arcarsenal said: Nope, just when you're purposely dense. I know what your shtick is by now. Put your money where your mouth is. I said 84 wins so I'll meet you half way and put the over/under at 80. If the Mets win more than 80 games, you can vanish. If they win less than 80, I will. Deal? Oh, so now I'm dense b/c I don't agree with you? Is that how it works? A hissy fit when others don't agree with you? Rather than waive your hands around like a f'ing buffoon perhaps you take a look around the horn then put you Jets personality away for a few moments. Is that too much to ask of you or do you need a hug of reassurance that you're opinion is the correct one regardless? No worries, I know the answer. That Ofield doesn't include Conforto and Nimmo at the corners but rather two old outfielders. You need a new set of glasses or just hug to see that? The 3rd baseman is getting old while the middle infield isn't stable. The catcher looks ok and his defense appears to be improving (hence, appears, not that you could tell the difference) while his offense this spring is comical. Oh, but it's just spring training for him so no worries while praising the others? That's how it works? Meanwhile, you're hard on for Harvey and deGrom might be justified but before pull out, recognize the back three aren't Wheeler, Thor, Montero or Matz but rather mediocre Gee, throw a ton of pitches Niese and hit or miss Colon. Save your crystal ball of Jets/Mets bias that some will be traded or reach your heights of achievement of March/April. Raise a banner and douche bag attitude for Harvey and Cuddyer while the rest of the roster is the same or older. Yippe and I'll gladly put my money where my post is yet you might want more to the table than what you sit on most the day. 76 wins. B.T.W. - the Giants may have had a better team with 6 wins this past year than 7 wins the prior year. Agree or whine at others opinions if they disagree like the NY Mets.

Ok, so amongst another long-winded, horseshit post from you that offers zero insight or anything remotely interesting, are you taking the bet or what? Anything under 80 wins, I'm gone.. anything over, you are. Got it?

You're by far the most irritating person in Met threads. Every post is a sarcastic jab "90 win frame of mind".. "Dynasty!.. etc, etc.. either that or you play doctor and think your medical opinion is more important than anyone else's. Not once have you ever offered anything of value to a thread.

Just setting it straight before I do the smart thing and just completely ignore you like most other people already do.

I'll make sure in early/mid September when the Mets win game #76 to remind you about it, though.

The Mets are the best. Hope that nobody else disagrees with your bias opinions as your your daily hissy fit is on deck 24/7/365 for members not agreeing with you. Not that you've ever been wrong along with Mr. Happy.

Clearly means I think they're the best.

Got anything else or are we done here? See you in September when I get to serve your walking papers. Enjoy the season.

Agree with you are be labeled "the dumbest" "no value" and now you're making bets lol. You are a gem. Keep complimenting yourself and ridiculing everybody else.