I want sherff or shelton. Neither are sexy picks, but we don't need sexy right now. OBJ was the sexy pick last year. Now, we need a boring and ugly pick. The last few years, we have not been able to stop the run or establish the run. To me, the WRs are the best players in the draft, but either sherf, who is a nasty player or Shelton, who is a game changing DT would make others better around them.
If we draft Scherf:
Mauler, physical, nasty lineman.
Help out with the run game which leads to more productive PA.
Eli can have more time in the pocket
line is set for the next 3 years
If we draft shelton:
We can put teams in third and long situations more often
match up with dallas and eagles Olines
Also get after the qb.
Either way, we still need big time help in the trenches. The picks are boring but the production of the unit will improve tremendously. I really think we need that more than anything else.
as for the second round, i am sure we could get a good wr or a stud MLB like denzel perriman.
I do not like Shelton. A DT not breaking 5.5 at the combine is a giant red flag.
My guess? Beasley doesn't get past us at 9..Then again, what if the unlikelihood occurs? Beasley, Cooper and/or White are there, who does Reese feel is BPA?
I don't question Beasley the player, he is good. I question his ability to play well for us
I don't question Beasley the player, he is good. I question his ability to play well for us
I can see Beasley play OLB for the Giants and be used like Denver uses Von Miller.
Winston
Mariota
Cooper
White
Williams
Fowler
Beasley
Gregory
this leaves Ray, Shelton, Wayne's, Brown and Collins as viable defensive picks...although Collins is a bit of a stretch at 9....and their pick of the OL or maybe Parker, depending on how high they rank him, on offense.
I'd prefer Brown in this scenario with an OL in the second as he can be moved anywhere on the line and Spags could really get creative with the rotation as all but Ellis could work at DE.
More I think about it, I have switched shifted to Peat, Collins, Scherff at 9. And I have come around to Peat IF, IF, IF they have vetted him for attitude, conditioning etc.
Peat can come right in and play RT. Pugh to LG a la Gilbride's suggestion/recommendation. If Peat can grow into his potential, he is Beatty's replacement. Not comfy that Collins or Scherff can be that "blue goose" you shoot for at 9.
P Smith or Odi at 40 or even a high value DT that slipped there and then we can go WR or CB at 74 and get 3 starters/strong contributors to push the team closer to contention in 2016.
Rose colored glasses but I really think another OL stud and this O can roll.
The D? Not so much but maybe Spags can get us to average especially with the O back on track.
Peat or Collins for me. Love Collins 'tude and ability to eliminate his man. For all the athletic ability of Scherff, something not quite complete there...IMHO
Our #9 pick is worth their #13(1) and #78 (3).
There are some many schools of thought on who is the best OLineman among Scherff, Collins, Peat, and Flowers. And there are players at other positions that could help the Giants and be worthy of pick #13. No question we can get a starter at pick #13 and with the many holes on this roster, and extra pick in solid red chip draft works for me.
If White, Cooper, and Williams are gone, I hope the Giants get a call from the Saints.
On third down you go JPP Ellis Hankins
Then 4 lbs
More pressure...harder to get to the edges
Less time pressure on the non existent safeties.
The offense has to keep a skill player in to block.
Kennard Beasley Hankins JPP. ..not a bad rush.
One huge difference for NYG this year as opposed to the last two. If you give a difference maker to either Spags or McAdoo. ...they will find ways for them to be a difference maker.
Giving even a slight variation to scheme or slow to pick up to Gilbride or especially Fewell and it was a wasted talent. Narrowed our chances to maximize by 50%
In that sense Spags and Mcadoo are difference maker's.
Our #9 pick is worth their #13(1) and #78 (3).
There are some many schools of thought on who is the best OLineman among Scherff, Collins, Peat, and Flowers. And there are players at other positions that could help the Giants and be worthy of pick #13. No question we can get a starter at pick #13 and with the many holes on this roster, and extra pick in solid red chip draft works for me.
If White, Cooper, and Williams are gone, I hope the Giants get a call from the Saints.
The Saints are rebuilding and trying to accumulate picks I can't see them trading picks to move up.
Things will change, but dollars are currently driving a number of Saints roster decisions.
Things will change, but dollars are currently driving a number of Saints roster decisions.
Yeah the cap has a lot to do with it but trading Kenny Stills for a 3rd and cap dump Ellerbe wasn't a move to get rid of cap space. Stills is on a rookie contract and had a very solid year for the Saints.
I would be very surprised to see them break their trend this year on that front.
You are right my bad I thought he was a 2nd for some reason.
I do believe there is a big need on both lines.
1) we need to run the ball better and need that 5th starter.
2) we need either a beast DT to go with hankins to stop the run or we need a stud pass rusher.
As unattractive as it sounds, i wouldn't mind if the first 3 rounds are OL, DT, DE or LB. we need to solidify the damn trenches. we need to control the game. we have skill players on the outside between corners and receivers. team needs to greatly improve in the run department on both sides.
Some could fall to 9, but might not fall to 13 (Fowler, Beasley, Gregory, Ray, and Shelton). If the Saints have their eyes on one of these players, and clearly 1-2 of them will be around at 9, it is at least possible.
Some could fall to 9, but might not fall to 13 (Fowler, Beasley, Gregory, Ray, and Shelton). If the Saints have their eyes on one of these players, and clearly 1-2 of them will be around at 9, it is at least possible.
Ok, thanks
NO DT at nine please.
Gregory is too good to pass up IMO unless they don't think he is ready to grow up.
Beasley is interesting but only if they feel he can play both LB and DE on pass downs.
Dupree is very wel rounded and a freak but very raw as a pass-rusher.
I probably take all those guys before an quality OL that we could still get at 40.
(just like G's - you can find guys to do that job later)
DFJ/Beasley/Cooper/White all gone.
Gregory out consideration for drug risks.
Scherff/Shelton is the next tier. Scherff is the pick.
If the Giants plan all along is to move Pugh to left guard, then Flowers could be the pick. I think he is going to be a Pro Bowl right tackle.
And Newhouse could be the short term backup plan at RT if Flowers is not ready to start Day One.
The Giants have been seen at many of the top OL workouts. Peat and Flowers to name two. I don't read anything into that except we need better players on the O-line. I don't see us passing on Scherff if he is there.
The plan is to have Flowers start Day One at RT if he is taken at # 9 and keep the position as he becomes a Pro Bowl player.
Rumors about who the Giants rank highly are out there but two weeks ago when Ross was at Stanford the rumor was we were high on Peat. If we go OL #9 and he's available I think Scherff will be the pick.
Rumors about who the Giants rank highly are out there but two weeks ago when Ross was at Stanford the rumor was we were high on Peat. If we go OL #9 and he's available I think Scherff will be the pick.
Agreed. Big upside but not a guy you want to plug in at RT day one. Giants don't have luxury or roster to slowly groom a top 10 pick, he needs to be an immediate return on investment.
ding ding ding - winner.
Hoping for Collins or Scheff #1
You can make a very good case for Shelton.
It appears their are a lot of quality receivers in this draft with fewer OL. Not sure what the sense of urgency is with going WR in Round 1 when thr OL stinks.
Claims that Shelton can get to the QB in the NFL are disingenuous.
You want to waste the #9 on a redundancy in 2015 - take Shelton.
Claims that Shelton can get to the QB in the NFL are disingenuous.
You want to waste the #9 on a redundancy in 2015 - take Shelton.
You could probably say the same about White and Cooper vs Randle.
All of this is suppositon. Every year some of the xant miss guys fall off and other guys kot nearly as touted show up.
I do t want Shelton as IMO as he playes the exact postion that
hankins playes. Even a WR whom I think is superfluous at 9 is a better choice.
Most of these players grades most likely So similar it's really down to need and fit. And saying the OL isn't the biggest need when there isn't a single guy on the whole offensive line that will even sniff the probowl in the next few years OL may be the best pick even if some of the other players are rated slightly higher
I keep praying Beasley slides but it's doubtful. the only group more aversge or worse is linebacker and he could be used in a lot of wAys.
Factor in the historically high bust rate in the top 15 for DTs, and the belief he's better suited to 3-4 NT, and I just don't see them drafting Shelton.
I had these similar exchanges a year ago regarding Donald, and never heard his name once in the back channels. Same this year, nothing on Shelton.
I think LinJo was more similar to Hankins than a Kelly, no?
Your 1-tech is shading the shoulder of his OL, trying to beat him and split the gap to reach the QB. He's the quicker DT, more athletic, the penetrator.
Your 1-tech is shading the shoulder of his OL, trying to beat him and split the gap to reach the QB. He's the quicker DT, more athletic, the penetrator.
3-tech is a "bigger dude" than the 1?
The 4-3 Under front, discussed in our article on Hybrid defenses, was designed to isolate the weak side guard 1-on-1 with the 3-technique (or under) tackle. This player’s job is to penetrate the line of scrimmage through his B-gap and disrupt plays in the backfield, whether pass or run. Unlike the first two tackle positions, the 3-technique relies far more on speed and agility than brute strength.
You mean taller? He's not heavier usually. That 1-tech is the heavy set player whose first step is up rather than the 3-tech which is forward. That's kinda why I'm curious is Ellis was really signed as depth for Hankins with Bromley, Jenkins and Kuhn (until somebody else is drafted) at #3.
Your 1-tech is shading the shoulder of his OL, trying to beat him and split the gap to reach the QB. He's the quicker DT, more athletic, the penetrator.
LJ was a 1-tech. Not a 3. The 1-tech is usually the slower. You have it backwards.