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Ogbuehi still expected to go round 1

DanMetroMan : 4/7/2015 7:57 am
Lance Zierlein & #8207;@LanceZierlein 3s3 seconds ago

After speaking with multiple teams I have no doubt that Ced Ogbuehi's ACL tear will NOT keep him out of the first round. He's going in 1st.

(Damn, was hoping he'd be a high upside 2nd round grab for us).
Doesn't mean anything.  
Jesse B : 4/7/2015 8:04 am : link
There will be 40-45 players media guys gurantee will go in the first round just lIke there is every year.
Morgan Moses  
Mike in NY : 4/7/2015 8:08 am : link
Was supposed to be a first rounder
If  
DanMetroMan : 4/7/2015 8:16 am : link
he's their 2nd round I 100% grab him. ACL has an excellent prognosis in most cases. I don't understand how people can both admit the Giants sometimes wait a while to get rookies in there and yet also dislike using a 2nd rounder on a pretty clear first round talent (I saw him top 10 in some spots pre-injury)



Lowdown: A third-team All-American as a senior and first-team All-Southeastern Conference selection, Ogbuehi’s draft stock is tough to project because of a torn ACL suffered in the Aggies’ bowl game against West Virginia. That means he didn’t do any on-field drills at the NFL Scouting Combine, and won’t be able to go through workouts for teams. … Was expected to be a top-10 pick entering his senior year, but gave up seven sacks – one of the highest totals in the SEC. … Has the long arms (35≥ inches) teams look for, but his functional strength will have to improve. … Played right guard, right tackle and left tackle in college, giving him positional flexibility. … Expects to be ready for training camp, but might fit best on a team that can afford to let him sit early in his rookie season.
at his best at RT  
Mike in NY : 4/7/2015 8:21 am : link
I think there will be better value elsewhere in Round 2
The thing that bugs me with him  
JonC : 4/7/2015 8:25 am : link
is his public comments that he hates practice. How he practices and views his commitment to his pro craft are important.
I kinda thought he'd be good value in 2.  
Andy in Halifax : 4/7/2015 8:25 am : link
if we went somewhere else in 1. Great value in 3 - would be very tough to pass up, I'd imagine, if he was available when the Giants pick at #74.
What  
DanMetroMan : 4/7/2015 8:32 am : link
do you guys think of Erving in the 2nd round with his ability to play all 5 OL spots. I read he was absolutely beastly at center at times.
So he won't play in year 1 because of his knee and then in  
Marty in Albany : 4/7/2015 8:34 am : link
year 2 we still won't know if he can run or block, so we'll have to draft another RB as insurance. Pass.

There are things that a loaded team can afford to do, like wait for a talented player to develop or rehab. The Giants are not that team. We need players who can hit the ground running.
Erving  
DanMetroMan : 4/7/2015 8:36 am : link
Pros

There are not many guys who have the capability of playing every position on the offensive line, but that is the type of versatility Erving brings to the table. With experience at both LT and C in college, the former Seminole proved he can protect a quarterback’s blind-side or be the leader of the entire offensive line. If he was able to transition to these two spots so effortlessly, playing guard in a pinch would be no issue in the big leagues.

As a pass blocker, this is a prospect who is ahead of the game. This 6’5″, 313 lb. monster is a true technician who knows how to utilize his powerful strength in his favor. He does a great job of keeping his hands on the inside of pass rushers in order to control and steer them accordingly. Once he locks in on a defender’s core, it is game over. Erving also does a tremendous job of anchoring (see #75 below), meaning that when he is tested with a bull rush/power move, he can hold his ground while planted and use his length and power. In the run department, the big guy takes care of his assignments and gets the job done. He has the athleticism to reach the second level and get his head out in front down the line in a zone-blocking scheme. Overall, you know what you are getting with Erving, he is very consistent. His skill set projects him best as a center, but if you needed anymore convincing, watch what Erving at left tackle against a top pass rusher in this year’s draft, Virginia’s Eli Harold.
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RE: What  
Milton : 4/7/2015 8:37 am : link
In comment 12220926 DanMetroMan said:
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do you guys think of Erving in the 2nd round with his ability to play all 5 OL spots. I read he was absolutely beastly at center at times.
Doesn't sound like Erving will make it out of the first round.
Dan  
robbieballs2003 : 4/7/2015 8:39 am : link
I get your point but you are trying too hard to connect two things that have very little in common. Yes, most Giants fans would love to see younger guys on the field but that has so many levels to it. That usually only happens when a vet is either average or not getting the job done. Helll, a good portion of Giants fans wanted Jared Lorenzen to start over Eli. I was at that Minnesota game and there chants by most fans to get him in over Eli. There are also fans like myself that felt over the last two years we should have gotten guys like Moore more playing time not just because the vets weren't getting it done but because we were not making the playoffs. Those snaps mean very little to a vet other than pride. Those snaps could really get the young guys ready for the following season.

Now, to your point about drafting someone. Where I think you fall short is that you are totally overlooking the injury aspect. I think it is two years in a row that we have led the league in injuries. To me, that holds way more weight than saying people want young guys to start. More importantly, most fans and even our coaching staff along with management is sick of it. It was enough to make John Mara address it.

I'm not advocating one way or another for this player. I'm just pointing out that any serious injury is gonna have Giants fans weary of drafting a player like that. Now, you bring up a good point that most are not an issue and that is true but every case is different. For every Justin Tuck we probably have a Jamaar Taylor. Both sides have a case. I think that is east to understand.
RE: Erving  
CBSGameFace : 4/7/2015 8:42 am : link
In comment 12220929 DanMetroMan said:
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Pros

There are not many guys who have the capability of playing every position on the offensive line, but that is the type of versatility Erving brings to the table. With experience at both LT and C in college, the former Seminole proved he can protect a quarterback’s blind-side or be the leader of the entire offensive line. If he was able to transition to these two spots so effortlessly, playing guard in a pinch would be no issue in the big leagues.

As a pass blocker, this is a prospect who is ahead of the game. This 6’5″, 313 lb. monster is a true technician who knows how to utilize his powerful strength in his favor. He does a great job of keeping his hands on the inside of pass rushers in order to control and steer them accordingly. Once he locks in on a defender’s core, it is game over. Erving also does a tremendous job of anchoring (see #75 below), meaning that when he is tested with a bull rush/power move, he can hold his ground while planted and use his length and power. In the run department, the big guy takes care of his assignments and gets the job done. He has the athleticism to reach the second level and get his head out in front down the line in a zone-blocking scheme. Overall, you know what you are getting with Erving, he is very consistent. His skill set projects him best as a center, but if you needed anymore convincing, watch what Erving at left tackle against a top pass rusher in this year’s draft, Virginia’s Eli Harold. Link - ( New Window )


Yezzir!!!! All for it!
RE: The thing that bugs me with him  
AcidTest : 4/7/2015 8:46 am : link
In comment 12220909 JonC said:
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is his public comments that he hates practice. How he practices and views his commitment to his pro craft are important.


Agreed. In that sense, he and Carl Davis seem similar. Davis apparently told teams he wanted to be used a lot less, which understandably put a lot of people off.

His comments, the ACL tear, and the sacks he gave up mean that he is not a first round pick IMO. I wouldn't consider him until the third at the earliest, and would really like to avoid players with significant injuries until day three at the earliest. That is especially true for OL, where we need immediate help.

He could still go in the first, but as someone said, this is the the time of year when at least 40 - 45 guys are "locks" to be first round picks. The good news for us is that talk like this increases the likelihood that someone who should go in the first might be pushed down to our pick at #40.
There is good OL depth through the Top 50 picks  
Torrag : 4/7/2015 9:29 am : link
If we want one at #9 or #40 we should have good options available. The talent pool for a plug and play starter gets much thinner after that.
Dan  
Doubledeuce22 : 4/7/2015 9:36 am : link
I love Erving with our 2nd pick if he falls there. Seems like he will be a late 1st rounder though.
With a deep WR draft...  
BillKo : 4/7/2015 9:43 am : link
I would doubt a guy with an ACL goes in Round 1.

And I'd be very hesitant to take him from the Giants persepective in Round 2.
RE: The thing that bugs me with him  
Coach Mason : 4/7/2015 10:26 am : link
In comment 12220909 JonC said:
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is his public comments that he hates practice. How he practices and views his commitment to his pro craft are important.


Agreed. As opposed to Peat who is extremely sharp and seems to work much harder in the film room.
RE: Dan  
Giants2012 : 4/7/2015 10:47 am : link
In comment 12221039 Doubledeuce22 said:
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I love Erving with our 2nd pick if he falls there. Seems like he will be a late 1st rounder though.


I could see New England selecting him. Would love to add him but don't think he'll be there.
Could it be NYG likes him?  
Sy'56 : 4/7/2015 11:49 am : link
I sure hope not but it would surprise me less than them taking Pugh at #20 a few years ago.
First person I've seen suggest that he'll go in round 1  
jeff57 : 4/7/2015 11:52 am : link
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DMM  
Jay on the Island : 4/7/2015 6:04 pm : link
Erving in the 2nd would be an excellent pick for the Giants if they don't go OL in round 1. I wouldn't touch Ogbuehi in round 2. If he is there in the 3rd I would roll the dice if OT isn't addressed in rounds 1 or 2 but there are just too many question marks with Ogbuehi besides the ACL injury.
I have him as a 3rd round option  
Torrag : 4/7/2015 6:15 pm : link
and am not convinced he's a plug-n-play Day 1 starter at any position....
RE: What  
drkenneth : 4/7/2015 6:46 pm : link
In comment 12220926 DanMetroMan said:
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do you guys think of Erving in the 2nd round with his ability to play all 5 OL spots. I read he was absolutely beastly at center at times.


I think Erving is a very "Giant-like" pick. I could see it if we go DE or WR at #9.
RE: What  
yatqb : 4/7/2015 8:35 pm : link
In comment 12220926 DanMetroMan said:
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do you guys think of Erving in the 2nd round with his ability to play all 5 OL spots. I read he was absolutely beastly at center at times.


I think he'd be a decent pick. I didn't like his play at LT, but he did a much better job at C. Likely could play LG for us.
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