"It just didn't translate when he got to the NFL"....Who?

I think he's become overrated since running his 40 yard dash. Might still be a good NFL player, or could flop.

In comment 12222645 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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I think he's become overrated since running his 40 yard dash. Might still be a good NFL player, or could flop.

I dont agree with this at all. Kevin White was already considered the #2 or #3 WR prospect even before running his 40. It was expected that if he ran anything under 4.5 that it would solidify him as the #2 prospect at WR. The 4.35 wasnt expected but under 4.5 was.

Now that being said he already had production.He already had size. He already wins a lot of 50/50's. Runs routes well. Not as good as Cooper but better than Parker. The only real question on him was his speed. And he answered that..

So I dont see him as being OVERRATED. I see him as the #2 receiver in the draft.. Some people would value him over Cooper because of his size.. and potentially higher ceiling..

Lets not make it like he is just some workout wonder. He has production to go along with his athleticism.

without Tim Tebow on it.

I think fowler jr. ia a good NFL pro who will disappoint if he is taken in the top 5 like many are expecting. I don't see a double digit sack master in the NFL.

depend on figuring this out get it wrong year after year. There's just no way to be sure. Hit and miss. You hope for more hits than misses.

However, I think the floor on Cooper and White are above the others. Cooper's negative right now is getting off the jam. White has negatives too but they aren't what you think. Watch White. People say his speed doesn't translate and I totall disagree. He has gotten past the defense numerous times but his QB was so bad that he under threw a ton meaning White had to come back for the ball. How is that a negative on him? If anything it shows his ability to attack the ball at its highest point. Once he gets better at route running you are going to see even more plays downfield.

A lot of these pass rushers are just edge rushers in a 3-4 so they have to be in the right system to succeed. Fowler and Dupree are more of your prototypes for a 4-3 DE. I like Fowler because he is more of a complete DE. Dupree is not a traditional hand in the dirt DE. Are we really going to gamble on a guy that hasn't really played the position we are going to expect him to play in the NFL? That is a huge gamble. We have no idea if he can control 330 pound OTs to set an edge. I don't care how great you are as a pass rusher, if you can't set an edge in a 4-3 then you will lose a ton of games. Look at last year. I would like another DT but DT wasn't really our problem last year. Last year we got burned on the edges due to a combination of poor talent and poor scheme.

DTs are always hard to project because of the huge jump in talent from college to the NFL.

The OL don't blow you away. Scherff worries me because you always hear about his nastiness and his technique. If he has both then why does he get beat as often as he does? That is concerning. Peat has all the tools and supposed work ethic but then why is he so out of shape, out of breath at the combine and why did his last year in college reall go downhill?

To me, I'm taking White and Cooper if they are on the board before everybody else.

Unless he goes to the Eagles, it's going to be tough. I'm not thrilled with both QB's. I think Fowler is the best defensive player coming out.

Bust. will make plays with his feet but that won't last long.

And I respect him in general

He said it about Fowler.

QBs not named Andrew Luck are always a crap shoot, but this guy coming from a simple read spread is more so than usual.

If Chan Gailey installs something resembling an NFL offense, there is little to no chance that a raw Mariota beats out either Geno or Fitzpatrick.

Most of the writers and fans screaming for his selection have failed to analyse whether his selection actually improves the team. It may - but it will be 2017 or later before you see it.

In comment 12222761 banks58 said:

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He said it about Fowler.

Well then, there you go..:)

Easy call if you're expecting him to be a 4-3 DE. 230lb DE don't translate into the NFL.

It blows my mind how high the experts are on these guys. The comparisons are way over the top

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Mostly because his opinion of himself is so high , I think once he's "paid" he will be more focused on his celebrity status than the game. I'm not sure he thinks he needs to get better. He talks as though he's elite already .

In comment 12223313 TampaGiant said:

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Mostly because his opinion of himself is so high , I think once he's "paid" he will be more focused on his celebrity status than the game. I'm not sure he thinks he needs to get better. He talks as though he's elite already .

I prefer the Eli approach

A very immature man with all that money is a bad combination imo.

media sources is that he has an outstanding dedication to preparation and putting in the work in film study.

I don't think that's been questioned by anyone in spite of every negative story that's been put out there.

but make dumb decisions away from the teams facilities. They aren't necessarily linked. He has made a lot of questionable decisions.

In comment 12223336 Torrag said:

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but make dumb decisions away from the teams facilities. They aren't necessarily linked. He has made a lot of questionable decisions.

I agree with you. He might be a knucklehead off the field, but the football part, I don't think, would be the reason why he might wash out.

You cannot dismiss the serious off field stuff or downplay it, but the football part of his evaluation is as good as any pocket-passer prospect in a long time.

idiot meme is accurate in my mind but the idea that he will implode with all that money is way off to me. I mean, unlike JaMarcus Russell, he is not getting a $68M contract with a $32M guarantee. If he wants big money, he is going to have earned it in his second contract. Also, immaturity is correctible. Some just do it later than others.

he's still getting a fortune. Clowney inked for $22 million as last years #1. More than enough for him to fuck it up if he's stupid.

and overthecap.com states that Clowney's entire contract amount is guaranteed. SMH

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Tampa is making a huge mistake.