You'd have to be a psycho to trot out 2 guys with a combined 0 career starts especially when they're not even high potential guys, so what do you do? Anyone left in UFA is pretty much a career back up that everyone here will be trashing by week 2 if we threw him into a full time starters role, that Gipson guy from the browns is really good but he's an RFA with a 2nd round tender I think so he might be tough to get, I was really hoping we'd go all in this off-season in attempts to make one final push in the home stretch of the Eli/Coughlin era but we seem like a team playing it tentatively and already prepping for the future as opposed to putting the best roster we can put on the field this year, Eli could have been a dynasty QB if we didn't waste half his career putting together mediocre rosters and relying on him to piggy back it, sad...
Throw Behre out there with him and tell 'em both, "well boys, it's either sink or swim."
Problem solved.
2 unproven, nobody strong safties, neither of which can cover well, or play free safety (obviously)
CC Brown/James Butler 2.0
We'll have the best starting corner tandem in the league and still have the 32nd ranked pass D lol
They still need at least three more guys because Behre will probably be the only one of the three they have right now still on the active roster on opening day. Taylor will be back on IR and Gordon will be back at his real world job.
The only other possible route would be to trade for a quality veteran, but that would involve giving up a draft pick or picks. Come to think of it, they blow so many draft picks that maybe this isn't such a bad idea after all.
They'll draft one, continue to try and add a young ascending vet, eg, Miles, if his price drops, and the young dudes on the roster are going to get some serious burn.
Throw Behre out there with him and tell 'em both, "well boys, it's either sink or swim."
Problem solved.
Don't know if you are being sarcastic or not; but remember any position is an injury away from a "backup" taking over. Cooper is healthy now. He is a player who was an alternate All American as a freshman @ Geo Tech and All American as a senior @ Richmond. He shined at the East West Game Shrine game (see what I did there?). At 6'4" 228 he has the potential to be another Cam Chancellor. Spags must be drooling. I think he has the credentials equal to of any day 2 or 3 draft options (and I don't want a S @ 9.)
BTW I'd love to see the "Missile" duplicate on defense what he showed on special teams. Although between them they have 0 starts, I'm less worried about safety than the ability of the OL to participate in the run game. (Which we should try to solve w/ #9)
And yes, I do believe in the tooth fairy.
Resign Stevie Brown.
Sign another vet FA.
Convert Bennett Jackson to S.
Draft one of Josh Shaw, Jaquiski Tartt, Adrian Amos, Durell Eskridge, or Doran Grant.
My guess is it's Brown, Jackson, and one of the potential draftees. They'll probably also get a UDFA S after the draft.
that being said i agree with the poster safety is scary. i expect em to add two in this draft one of which will be in first 3 rounds IMO
2. Re-sign veteran FS Will Demps (specials)
3. Draft a Safety
Hope our youngsters are ready to start.
There really isn't much in the way of veteran help unless we make a draft day trade. Which we may.
Don't know if you are being sarcastic or not; but remember any position is an injury away from a "backup" taking over. Cooper is healthy now. He is a player who was an alternate All American as a freshman @ Geo Tech and All American as a senior @ Richmond. He shined at the East West Game Shrine game (see what I did there?). At 6'4" 228 he has the potential to be another Cam Chancellor. Spags must be drooling. I think he has the credentials equal to of any day 2 or 3 draft options (and I don't want a S @ 9.)
BTW I'd love to see the "Missile" duplicate on defense what he showed on special teams. Although between them they have 0 starts, I'm less worried about safety than the ability of the OL to participate in the run game. (Which we should try to solve w/ #9)
And yes, I do believe in the tooth fairy.
I am being sarcastic & frustrated also. I'd like to see what these 2 young guys are capable of. IMO, if he guy can't start by year 3, it's time to turn over the roster at his position. I think the 2 guys would be fine and get better as the season progresses.
that being said i agree with the poster safety is scary. i expect em to add two in this draft one of which will be in first 3 rounds IMO
Seriously now I know why there's like no interesting football related threads, if you bring up anything about the roster or don't approve of every move the giants make you're a troll.. no wonder these forums are so dull
that being said i agree with the poster safety is scary. i expect em to add two in this draft one of which will be in first 3 rounds IMO
Have you read his other threads? Wasting the first round pick on Gurley? He's either a troll or an idiot. That's without mentioning his douche handle.
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why does EVERYONE on this board say troll or drop a ban hammer on this guy when someone makes a post. I for one totally agree. our safety position is awful. to say we have anmy more than backup quality is laughable. we dont know what we have at the position and imo reese does every year negelct a position of serious need. LB is usually horribly neglected. its still borderline neglected. BBI stop like attacking every poster except the known ones. ANYONE and EVERYONE should be allowed and feel comfortable posting on this forum. unless its an outrageous bs post thats an obvious troll just let it be. if you think its a dumb post or a dumb question dont respond.
that being said i agree with the poster safety is scary. i expect em to add two in this draft one of which will be in first 3 rounds IMO
Have you read his other threads? Wasting the first round pick on Gurley? He's either a troll or an idiot. That's without mentioning his douche handle.
Are you like a hardcore Christian and my handle offends you? I saw a fan of another team call him that and thought it was hillarious, sorry you're life is so dull that you have yet to manage finding a sense of humour
gurley would have been a top 5 pick if he didnt get hurt. its not that crazy to trade back and want gurley...
whats wrong with that? does jennings give you a hard on? guy was hurt for most of season and when played was solid but we havent had a game changer at RB in a while...dont get me wrong i loved AB and jacobs...but they were a part of a solid offensive team mainly in trenches. shit if we trade bnack in first round i much rather landon collins at safety but if we took gurley you wont see me crying at all lol. that being said i doubt it happens but still its someones opinion. this board is supposed to be fans throwing around ideas whether trade or draft...this game for FANS is supposed to be fun. people to serious on this board. i get if the guy is a 24/7 trolling d bag but one or two wild ideas...yea no an issue IMO
I'm immature and overzealous for being passionate about my team and having input on roster moves that would make our team better? I don't follow.. is it because I came to a giants forum to actually talk football? Lol
gurley would have been a top 5 pick if he didnt get hurt. its not that crazy to trade back and want gurley...
whats wrong with that? does jennings give you a hard on? guy was hurt for most of season and when played was solid but we havent had a game changer at RB in a while...dont get me wrong i loved AB and jacobs...but they were a part of a solid offensive team mainly in trenches. shit if we trade bnack in first round i much rather landon collins at safety but if we took gurley you wont see me crying at all lol. that being said i doubt it happens but still its someones opinion. this board is supposed to be fans throwing around ideas whether trade or draft...this game for FANS is supposed to be fun. people to serious on this board. i get if the guy is a 24/7 trolling d bag but one or two wild ideas...yea no an issue IMO
Thank you lol
Saints cap is still a mess.
its just so annoying when people on this board jump down the throats of new posters or posters who say something thats considered a wild idea.
just read the post and keep moving is it necessary to say troll or oh he just regiustered last month ignore the post...like wtf get off high horse
Beat the Eagles in that game on way to super bowl. You don't need 53 all pros to win in NFL.
You need a little bit of luck and the right team chemistry. All these athletes are world class.
gurley would have been a top 5 pick if he didnt get hurt. its not that crazy to trade back and want gurley...
whats wrong with that? does jennings give you a hard on? guy was hurt for most of season and when played was solid but we havent had a game changer at RB in a while...dont get me wrong i loved AB and jacobs...but they were a part of a solid offensive team mainly in trenches. shit if we trade bnack in first round i much rather landon collins at safety but if we took gurley you wont see me crying at all lol. that being said i doubt it happens but still its someones opinion. this board is supposed to be fans throwing around ideas whether trade or draft...this game for FANS is supposed to be fun. people to serious on this board. i get if the guy is a 24/7 trolling d bag but one or two wild ideas...yea no an issue IMO
Except Gurley is hurt and even if he wasn't, when was the last time an effective running back was taken in the top 25 let alone top 5?
Beat the Eagles in that game on way to super bowl. You don't need 53 all pros to win in NFL.
You need a little bit of luck and the right team chemistry. All these athletes are world class.
So because we won 1 game 8 years ago with back up safties it's a good idea to roll through a whole season starting back up safties? The CC browns of the world can cost even great teams their season, you're team is only as good as the worst player on the field cause that's all it takes for any given play to end up in complete disaster, one guy not doing his job, also we've subscribed to your theory for years and years with our LBs, how's that worked out? We do the same things over and over, we never build a balanced roster (a GMs one fucking job) and we wonder why were sitting at home every year when the playoffs roll around, this is exactly the kind of thinking that has wasted half of Eli's career "oh we'll manage... or we'll just completely suck, either way no big deal" I mean why would we have any sense of urgency to put the best roster we can put on the field this year with a 34 year old QB and a 70 year old HC, great time to play it tentatively (and recklessly)
Every team in the NFL is in a similar position with regard to one squad on their team or another. Nonetheless, two teams will play in the super bowl in February.
Sorry
Jones
Randall
Tartt
Smith
Harris
Colt Anderson S 29 IND IND 1 $825,000 $825,000 $180,000 $825,000 $665,000
Taylor Mays S 27 CIN MIN 1 $795,000 $795,000 $25,000 $635,000 $795,000
for all you guys who thought mays was the second coming and wanted to draft him early.
hahaha fucking ha
my project rant sleeper lowery is still in the league at age 29 and out earning mays, at 27
Jones
Randall
Tartt
Smith
Harris
Eric Rowe would be another possibility.
Stevie Brown S 27 NYG TBD - - - - - -
Bernard Pollard S 30 TEN TBD - - - - - -
George Wilson S 34 TEN TBD - - - - - -
Dawan Landry S 32 NYJ TBD - - - - - -
Thomas DeCoud S 29 CAR TBD - - - - - -
Usama Young S 29 OAK TBD - - - - - -
Quintin Demps S 29 NYG TBD - - - - - -
Brandon Meriweather S 31 WAS TBD - - - - - -
Quinton Carter S 26 DEN TBD - - - - - -
Jeromy Miles S 27 BAL TBD - - - - - -
Ryan Clark S 35 PIT TBD - - - - - -
Will Allen S 32 PIT TBD - - - - - -
Danny McCray S 27 CHI TBD - - - - - -
C.J. Spillman S 28 DAL TBD - - - - - -
Deshawn Shead S 26 SEA TBD - - - - - -
Jim Leonhard S 32 CLE TBD - - - - - -
Danieal Manning S 32 HOU TBD - - - - - -
Delano Howell S 25 IND TBD - - - - - -
Eddie Pleasant S 26 HOU TBD - - - - - -
Sherrod Martin S 30 JAC TBD - - - - - -
Raymond Ventrone S 32 SF TBD - - - - - -
Zeke Motta S 24 ATL TBD - - - - - -
Anthony Walters S 26 CHI TBD
Colt Anderson S 29 IND IND 1 $825,000 $825,000 $180,000 $825,000 $665,000
Taylor Mays S 27 CIN MIN 1 $795,000 $795,000 $25,000 $635,000 $795,000
for all you guys who thought mays was the second coming and wanted to draft him early.
hahaha fucking ha
my project rant sleeper lowery is still in the league at age 29 and out earning mays, at 27
I'll have some crow on that, I thought Mays was gonna be a beast, still one of the best safties in madden though lmao
free agents that would could fill a role - Dawan Landry, Jeremy Miles, Danieal Manning, Bernard Pollard, Thomas Decoud, Stevie Brown
Obviously lots of interesting names in the draft. I'd like to see them get 1 guy who can play in the box and 1 guy with plus athleticism/ball skills.
They'll draft one, continue to try and add a young ascending vet, eg, Miles, if his price drops, and the young dudes on the roster are going to get some serious burn.
One of his current alter-egos is brownstone (or, as we fondly know him, brownstain).
Why, so the next time he got caught the Giants would lose him for a full year? And this on top of him lying through his teeth to them about it being second-hand smoke.
He's at best a 3rd Safety. If we're relying on him to be a starter...well, then we're fucked.
As for the original question, my mock draft based on players I like in positions of need (which I don't believe. I always believe in taking the best player available) is taking Derron Smith of Fresno State in the third round and Ibraheim Campbell of Northwestern in the fourth round. I have Smith as my second rated Safety and Campbell, who I have never watched, but just read up on, is my fourth or fifth rated Safety. However, I could see both going before where I mocked them going.
The Giants might be hot for Randall.
secondly I'd package a couple of late round picks and acquire a veteran safety, doesnt have to be a pro-bowl guy but a starting caliber safety that can be had. Like a James Ihedigbo, Mike Adams type player.
Im not opposed to drafting another safety either but this draft does not seem to have many
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resign Stevie Brown after the draft to get some sort of veteran presence back in there. Currently the Giants are sitting tight and hoping a top talent drops in the draft, but even if we got a guy we had rated as a late 1 in the 2nd or 2nd in the 3rd/4th...I still think they should grab Stevie Brown or a guy they like better.
I'd rather have the pot smoker than Stevie Brown. No, seriously.
Agreed, but realistically...
The depth chart entering camp will probably show Taylor, Berhe and a cheap vet like Brown as the top three safeties. Not sure which of them will get the first crack at the Kenny Phillips single high / center fielder role. Assuming Brown returns, much will depend on whether he recovers more athleticism in post-surgery year two. Bennett Jackson is another x-factor. We don't know how far the conversion project has progressed: for example, did he spend any time in the safeties room during his rehab?
With or without a promising rookie, David Merritt will have his hands full this summer.
However, before the OP was over, it turned into a shit on the Giants, and devolved downward from there. anyone on the roster, or suggested to pick up are deemed scrubs. any realistic scenario is scoffed at.
that's why people are calling OBJesus a troll.
Let's face it. there's limited options. our hopes for quality rest on either Behre/Cooper stepping up, we sign a mediocre vet who steps up, or we draft someone (pretty much what the rational folk on this thread pointed out, but which wasn't good enough for OP). problem with the draft is that we (meaning BBI channeling our inner Giants braintrust) have the top picks alotted to OL, DE, WR. Gonna be hard to squeeze a safety in a round where he's likely to be good enough to make a difference right away. So, yes, the safety situation isn't looking all that rosy. but it is what it is, and there are limited options.
plus they can always use another draft pick on one of the later round CB/S tweeners,pick one with enough size/speed to play FS the deon grant role spags used the first time around
i never liked fewells scheme bar that stretch during the superbowl run and i suspect that was more to do with the players than fewell, it lacked the aggression of the 86/90 giants and the game feel/anticipation spags had in 2007 defence.
was supposed to bend but not break but shattered all too often where megatron or dez bryant or others would be allowed to stroll thru the defence uncovered for an easy long play/touchdown,particuarly bad against the 2 minute offence several of those collapses cost them a win far too often