I've rarely seen a less effective D than the Giants were for Spags' first 2 games as DC. They looked like they were paralyzed! Spags looked like a Giant mistake! But then they began trusting his system and playing their assignments, and they turned into beasts.
I'm happy Spags is back, but temper my excitement with the realization that they may not look great to start with, and that there will likely still be personnel issues to deal with. But that said, I'm excited to see what they can do this season. Last time Spags D became very effective, but additionally, it was an exciting squad to watch play. I like his willingness to make adjustments, and to maximize the use of his player's skills.
I'm looking forward to this season!
Les, most here expect teething issues and will say so over and over UNTIL it happens and when it does happen, the place will implode..
Count on it..:)
Was an absolute nightmare of a game. Really bad memories lol luckily I went to the first Skins game, Falcons & Bucs game. They more then made up for it. Especially with Ronde's comments on Eli & then a couple hundred Giants fan gathered together singing Na Na Na Na hey hey hey goodbye to the Bucs team. Sooooo awesome!
I felt that Antonio Pierce blowing that airhorn at that reporter's questions was the turning point. Seriously.
1. A new system will require veterans to buy in and adjust, which is why I also expect, other than OL, the draft to be heavy on the D, because, with the D players from last year(Bromley,Behre) and CTaylor, and the draft
2. the young players will be more open to adjust and adapt to a new system(no prejudices).
Hopefully Spags track record lst time around w/ the Giants and his experience since will allow him to get buy in from day one this time.
The key is whether team leaders buy in right away. Of course what complicates that is "who are the team leaders"?
Great minds...
Count on it..:)
Seriously this IS what is going to happen hahaha
Spags Linebackers, defensive tackles, cornerbacks & Safeties were nothing special the last time he was here. Kawika, Kiwi, Torbor, Gibril, Butler, Ross, Dockery, Webster, Madison, McQuarters, Alford, Blackburn, Gerris Wilkinson.
Outside of Webster, Kiwi & Blackburn none of them were even decent players a few years after 2007.
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Les, most here expect teething issues and will say so over and over UNTIL it happens and when it does happen, the place will implode..
Count on it..:)
Seriously this IS what is going to happen hahaha
Raever, since you watch a lot of college ball(I don't watch any) I have a quick question: Is there any way, iyo, that the Giants see the S Collins as an impact player and might take him at 9? I know most here said it ws a remote thrower, but I'm interested in your take
Depends on the opening schedule among other things.
Injuries, my major concern..We differ in our present(on paper) assessment of this D..We will get a S or two imo..Of that I have no doubt..Crossing my fingers with Beason, but a healthy DRC, Prince would be huge..Ellis, Hankins and Bromley(the unknown at this point) along with Jenkins should help against the run..Selvie I expect to be steady..JPP? No real feel about him..I expect Kennard to take a nice leap under Spags..Plus, there's the draft..As I said, injuries will be the major (possible) fly in the ointment
That has changed. So has the competition. I cannot wait to see Spagnuolo line up Moore, whom he truly loves we have been told, for 50 snaps against the power running attacks of the Cowboys & Eagles.
A word about that flop as DC with the Saints. They had talent on defense, as Rob Ryan proved the next season when he made them a top 5 defense. And, as far as these "oh it was such a disfunctional mess that year," the Saints finished 7-9, not 1-15. They were 7-9 in 14. Were they a disfunctional mess under Payton? The first thing that he did once he got the key fob back to his office was fire Steve Spagnuolo.
In any evaluation, audit, handicap, whatever, an immutable rule applies to all: the most recent history is the most important history. The Daily Racing Form, starting pitchers in baseball. The most recent history concerning Spagnuolo has been terrible. Dallas has gotten better in the off-season compared to the Giants. At least so far. Dallas was 12-4 last year.
We have more talent now then we did in 2008 so that leaves me optimistic that we will have a good defense again. A lot of the players have flashed like I stated above, but never really consistently played great. I put that on Fewell though. He even admitted he had no idea why Moore wasn't in the game against Dallas. Moore had 5.5 sacks last year which seems low and then you look at his snap count and you see he only played around 300 snaps. Which was 29% of our defensive plays. Spags is going to get that guy on the field more and he is going to be a very good player this year. Just watch! Even if he is on the field for a little over double the amount of plays last year. Stays close to the same place & he is a 12+ Sack player.
I wouldn't for a few of reasons. I don't see elite cover skills or playmaking ability for a DB. He doesn't have soft hands for the INT(only 5 career INT's). I question his effectiveness covering scat backs or slot receivers in space(7.38 3-cone). His recovery speed in the deep half is in doubt. He had 0 sacks in his career.
What he excels at is coming downhill and stifling the running attack. He will put a hurt on you with his tackling. He can cover TE's. He will blowup screens. I've heard him described as a 'combo' safety by some but imo he'll be better in the box as a true SS.
Is that value at #9 in today's game?
This however is intriguing and something we've lacked for quite some time, imo.
What he excels at is coming downhill and stifling the running attack. He will put a hurt on you with his tackling. He can cover TE's. He will blowup screens. I've heard him described as a 'combo' safety by some but imo he'll be better in the box as a true SS.
We have more talent now then we did in 2008 so that leaves me optimistic that we will have a good defense again. A lot of the players have flashed like I stated above, but never really consistently played great. I put that on Fewell though. He even admitted he had no idea why Moore wasn't in the game against Dallas. Moore had 5.5 sacks last year which seems low and then you look at his snap count and you see he only played around 300 snaps. Which was 29% of our defensive plays. Spags is going to get that guy on the field more and he is going to be a very good player this year. Just watch! Even if he is on the field for a little over double the amount of plays last year. Stays close to the same place & he is a 12+ Sack player.
Idk if we have more talent now, I'd like to say we have a better balance in talent but that may not even be the case considering our LBs and safties could be god awful this up coming year, and that Dline alone back then probably had more talent amongst them than damn near our entire defense right now lol we have 2 lockdown corners and a pretty good dline but other than that.. roster looks weak as shit on the defensive side
We have more talent now then we did in 2008 so that leaves me optimistic that we will have a good defense again. A lot of the players have flashed like I stated above, but never really consistently played great. I put that on Fewell though. He even admitted he had no idea why Moore wasn't in the game against Dallas. Moore had 5.5 sacks last year which seems low and then you look at his snap count and you see he only played around 300 snaps. Which was 29% of our defensive plays. Spags is going to get that guy on the field more and he is going to be a very good player this year. Just watch! Even if he is on the field for a little over double the amount of plays last year. Stays close to the same place & he is a 12+ Sack player.
Overall, maybe.. but the defensive line was the foundation for everything when we were at our best defensively with Spags and while we have some good players there now, we certainly don't have what we had then.
The 2008 defense also had the benefit of a ball dominating offense that wore teams down on the ground and took time off the clock. That Giants defense was better than the 2014 Cowboys defense but both benefitted in the same way.
The linebacker position is still a bit worrisome.. Kennard is the guy I really like but I can't rely on Beason to stay healthy. Safety is also a huge concern.
My daughter couldn't watch the last two plays but thank god they kept Portis on the bench. Beginning of questionable call by Joe Gibbs.
Wonder what would have happened if Portis rather than Betts was in there?
Also, I had to laugh when you said you'd rarely seen a less effective D. Perry's defense has been much worse at times. Historically one of the worst ever, haha. Spags really has nowhere to go but up, so there's that at least. =)
The 2008 defense if you just look at points and yards looked a lot better on the surface than it actually was.
The best part of the 2008 Giants defense was our own offense.
The 2008 defense if you just look at points and yards looked a lot better on the surface than it actually was.
The best part of the 2008 Giants defense was our own offense.
The 2008 offense also didn't turn the ball over. Having an offense that can eat up the clock and hold onto the ball is a huge assist. Both of which are concerns for 2015 as our rushing offense is, based on the past 2 seasons...pretty atrocious. And there were a lot of DUMB turnovers last season.
That has changed. So has the competition. I cannot wait to see Spagnuolo line up Moore, whom he truly loves we have been told, for 50 snaps against the power running attacks of the Cowboys & Eagles.
Nail, meet hammer.
Fortunately, I don't think it will happen unless the young man has a turn around. Until he shows something in that area, I don't think you'll see him as a full time starter.
I can understand an early infatuation with his pass rush skills, but his complete inability to defend the run will become readily apparent.
I really think he could play the run. He just hasn't shown any interest, any technique in that area, nor the strength to do so.
Gotta to pull for him to come along, but I'm not overly optimistic.