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The 12th Man : 4/9/2015 10:35 pm
Not the way we wanted to get in but we are in. Hopefully the pressure will come off and they can start to play like they have nothing to lose. I really believe we can be dangerous in these playoffs. Glad it is over and they are in.
BELIEVE  
Fish : 4/9/2015 10:48 pm : link
.....
Relieved  
timintey : 4/9/2015 10:50 pm : link
but if they don't start righting this ship, it will be a short stay.

Crush the Yinz tomorrow and go for home ice!!!
If Boston  
Fish : 4/10/2015 12:56 am : link
Still had boychuk they would be in. Thanks Boston.
so sad  
feelflows : 4/10/2015 1:25 am : link
after months of killing it they have to back in.
I wouldn't call this backing in  
Mike from Ohio : 4/10/2015 8:04 am : link
The fact that they were off on a night when another team lost and therefore could not catch the Islanders isn't backing in. Those early seasons wins count just as much as the late season ones.

What they need to worry about now is winning these last two games to go in with some confidence. Having three days to stew on that loss to Philly isn't ideal. Need to wash that away with wins tonight and tomorrow.
Great  
JayBinQueens : 4/10/2015 8:09 am : link
Now cappy is going to think he was right resting players in meaningful games. Plus I fully expect to see the sound tigers take the ice tonight
Agreed  
pganut : 4/10/2015 8:14 am : link
Backing in is the wrong term...Isles strong play for most of the year had them holding a playoff spot since the first game. If anything, you can say that they limp into the playoffs, but a good performance(s) in the last 2 can erase a lot of the handwringing (caused by none other than their own coach's lineup meddling and disrupting chemistry that had proven to work).

I don't give a rat's ass how we got in, although as others on BBI have pointed out that it's crazy that a team with 98-99 points will miss the playoffs. All you need is a dance ticket and we have ours. Now, anything can happen. Outside of MTL, who is in a lot of trouble now with Patches out, there isn't a higher seeded team they can't beat, as evidenced by the fact that the Isles took the season series from most of the East teams.
Lol @  
Danny Kanell : 4/10/2015 8:18 am : link
Backing in...with 100 points.

It's up to Halak. If he's great or even very good, we can do some damage.

LGI
RE: I wouldn't call this backing in  
gmen9892 : 4/10/2015 8:27 am : link
In comment 12226545 Mike from Ohio said:
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The fact that they were off on a night when another team lost and therefore could not catch the Islanders isn't backing in. Those early seasons wins count just as much as the late season ones.

What they need to worry about now is winning these last two games to go in with some confidence. Having three days to stew on that loss to Philly isn't ideal. Need to wash that away with wins tonight and tomorrow.


You are 100% backing in. Wins aside, the Isles are playing their worst hockey of the season during the most important stretch. 3-9 going into the playoffs isnt exactly going into the playoffs hot. And it took you until game 80 to clinch after being in first for a large portion of the season. That is backing in.
Walking in.... Running in........  
BlueHurricane : 4/10/2015 8:38 am : link
Rolling in....... Backing in....... Who the fuck cares.

WE ARE IN!!!!! Anything can happen as Giants fans should know.

Let's dance bitches!!!!!
RE: RE: I wouldn't call this backing in  
gmen9892 : 4/10/2015 8:38 am : link
In comment 12226574 gmen9892 said:
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In comment 12226545 Mike from Ohio said:


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The fact that they were off on a night when another team lost and therefore could not catch the Islanders isn't backing in. Those early seasons wins count just as much as the late season ones.

What they need to worry about now is winning these last two games to go in with some confidence. Having three days to stew on that loss to Philly isn't ideal. Need to wash that away with wins tonight and tomorrow.



You are 100% backing in. Wins aside, the Isles are playing their worst hockey of the season during the most important stretch. 3-9 going into the playoffs isnt exactly going into the playoffs hot. And it took you until game 80 to clinch after being in first for a large portion of the season. That is backing in.


Sorry, like the person above said, I guess limping in would be a better term.
This was the textboox definition of backing in.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2015 8:38 am : link
Any of you guys trying to paint it any differently are just trying to see unicorns and roses. The Islanders were woefully unimpressive since basically that 6-5 loss to the Rangers back in mid February and have not strung together a bunch of quality wins in quite some time.

Does that mean they have no chance of doing anything in the playoffs? No, not at all... but 1) I believe the Isles are a team that needs home ice to win a playoff round this year and 2) If they don't legitimately play better than they've been over the last handful of weeks, it might not even matter.
Pumped to see  
Metnut : 4/10/2015 8:39 am : link
the Islanders in the playoffs. The previous 80 games and the next 2 games are meaningless because anything goes come playoff time. The Islanders have more points than the Rangers did last year, and the Rangers were able to ride a hot streak to the finals.

With Grabovski coming back, the Islanders are looking to be completely healthy soon for the first time in months. I think the Islanders will be a tossup with any team they can be matched up with in the first round, but I'd rather avoid TB. I think they are the best team in the East and everyone else is clustered together.
Tonights game  
KWhite2250 : 4/10/2015 8:53 am : link
Is as meaningful as they come. A win guarantees a top 3 finish and to not play the best teams in the conf in round 1. And keeps them alive for home ice going into 2morrow. Some of your views on this collapse are on the level of capuano saying they played well enough to win the other night in philly.
.  
Danny Kanell : 4/10/2015 8:58 am : link
I have a feeling the Islanders are gonna beat Pittsburgh down tonight. 6-2.
Playoffs are different  
theold5j : 4/10/2015 9:02 am : link
throw the records away, forget about the way they have been playing. we have seen it on all different levels in the NHL. teams stumbling into the playoffs go on a run. hot teams are ousted in the 1st round. 8 seeds making it to the finals and winning it. 3-0 comebacks. if your in, your in. anything can happen

they have been losing games lately, but i don't think they have been playing poorly.
Well, if anyone has that mythic crystal ball  
pganut : 4/10/2015 9:02 am : link
Let us all know how things turn out.

That's the beauty of the playoffs...it's like a huge etch-a-sketch where everything restarts fresh after you shake it out. Past stumbles as well as past heroics are forgotten and new outcomes rule the day.

No need to prognosticate, just enjoy it.
RE: RE: I wouldn't call this backing in  
Mike from Ohio : 4/10/2015 9:16 am : link
In comment 12226574 gmen9892 said:
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In comment 12226545 Mike from Ohio said:


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The fact that they were off on a night when another team lost and therefore could not catch the Islanders isn't backing in. Those early seasons wins count just as much as the late season ones.

What they need to worry about now is winning these last two games to go in with some confidence. Having three days to stew on that loss to Philly isn't ideal. Need to wash that away with wins tonight and tomorrow.



You are 100% backing in. Wins aside, the Isles are playing their worst hockey of the season during the most important stretch. 3-9 going into the playoffs isnt exactly going into the playoffs hot. And it took you until game 80 to clinch after being in first for a large portion of the season. That is backing in.


You clearly don't know what 'backing in' means, but thanks for sharing your confused thoughts.
RE: This was the textboox definition of backing in.  
Mike from Ohio : 4/10/2015 9:18 am : link
In comment 12226591 arcarsenal said:
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Any of you guys trying to paint it any differently are just trying to see unicorns and roses. The Islanders were woefully unimpressive since basically that 6-5 loss to the Rangers back in mid February and have not strung together a bunch of quality wins in quite some time.

Does that mean they have no chance of doing anything in the playoffs? No, not at all... but 1) I believe the Isles are a team that needs home ice to win a playoff round this year and 2) If they don't legitimately play better than they've been over the last handful of weeks, it might not even matter.


So a team not playing well down the stretch is backing in? Not the way 99% of the world uses that term, but if it makes Rangers fans happy, enjoy!
Um, not that I care one bit  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 9:19 am : link
But we are absolutely backing in. That's strictly a way of labeling it though. Has no bearing on our prospects moving forward.
3-9 record in the last 12  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 9:21 am : link
And watching and almost depending on the Boston Florida game is textbook "backing in"
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Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 9:21 am : link
In comment 12226630 Danny Kanell said:
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I have a feeling the Islanders are gonna beat Pittsburgh down tonight. 6-2.


Me too.
RE: 3-9 record in the last 12  
Mike from Ohio : 4/10/2015 9:25 am : link
In comment 12226660 Mike in Long Beach said:
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And watching and almost depending on the Boston Florida game is textbook "backing in"


And if the Islanders win tonight or tomorrow then they would have have gotten in if both of those teams won, and won out for the rest of the season. But because the Islanders don't play until tonight, they backed in?

I guess I always believed backing in meant your season is done and you need other teams to lose to get you in. Apparently what it means is that teams that don't finish the season strong all backed in. Maybe wins in the last 10 games of the season should count for 3 points since they are more meaningful?

You learn something new on BBI everyday.
RE: RE: This was the textboox definition of backing in.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2015 9:40 am : link
In comment 12226657 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 12226591 arcarsenal said:


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Any of you guys trying to paint it any differently are just trying to see unicorns and roses. The Islanders were woefully unimpressive since basically that 6-5 loss to the Rangers back in mid February and have not strung together a bunch of quality wins in quite some time.

Does that mean they have no chance of doing anything in the playoffs? No, not at all... but 1) I believe the Isles are a team that needs home ice to win a playoff round this year and 2) If they don't legitimately play better than they've been over the last handful of weeks, it might not even matter.



So a team not playing well down the stretch is backing in? Not the way 99% of the world uses that term, but if it makes Rangers fans happy, enjoy!


Looks like I struck a nerve.

Go ahead and tell me how many of the teams who will be in the playoffs this year have been worse than the Islanders over the last month+

You have a losing record since February 16th (9-10-5. You had the most wins in the entire league around the midway point and needed until game 80 to even clinch a playoff spot (via an assist from Florida)

I had no problem admitting how impressive the Isles were earlier in the year but they've been anything but for some time now.

And again, it doesn't mean they will get swept out of the first round. They're capable of playing better but it has been a while since they've done it consistently.

If you think they're good enough to make a Cup run this year, good for you. I personally don't see it.. but nothing wrong with being optimistic about your team.
So if we beat Pitt tonight is it still backing in?  
BlueHurricane : 4/10/2015 9:50 am : link
Backing happens on the last day of the season when the team getting in didn't handle it's own business and other teams helped them out.

Not for one second did I think the Isles would fail to get 1 point over the next two games. What happend was the points they piled up all year left them ahead of all but 7 other teams with two games left.

They have sucked lately but they did not back in.
Who gives  
Fish : 4/10/2015 9:57 am : link
a flying fuck. We are in. The past (albeit it was yesterday) is the past. We are looking for pioneers here not historians.
We want fish sticks!  
trueblueinpw : 4/10/2015 9:58 am : link
Wouldn't have been any fun without the Icelanders in the tourney. Really hope we see an epic series between Rangers and Isles.
arc  
pganut : 4/10/2015 9:58 am : link
You're a good guy and you know I like you. In fact, I agree with what you said:
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I had no problem admitting how impressive the Isles were earlier in the year but they've been anything but for some time now.

And again, it doesn't mean they will get swept out of the first round. They're capable of playing better but it has been a while since they've done it consistently.
But I think that your comment about striking a nerve is just off target slightly. I think you have a bunch of Isles fans on an Isles thread here relieved and excited about something that hasn't happened with any frequency for about 30 years and it can be interpreted that you're kind of pissing on the picnic blanket with some of your commentary. While it may be a short run...or maybe a long one in fact...this team has finally put itself in a position to contend for years to come, and we're just trying to enjoy that. It's the culmination of (for some) a lifetime of frustration.
It is amazing  
St. Jimmy : 4/10/2015 10:01 am : link
how poorly they have handled everything since the allstar break. They didn't seem to adjust the style of play to all the injuries. There is no consideration that the fourth line with 2 AHL players on it is not the Martin-Cisikas-Clutterbuck line and should not be used like that line. The resting of players as if everything is wrapped up for two months. Brian Strait becoming a mainstay in the lineup. Really reflects poorly on Capuano or Snow or whoever has been calling these shots.

At least the penalty kill got better.
I hayte the Isles(Rangers fan) but  
Big Blue '56 : 4/10/2015 10:03 am : link
in what universe is 100 points considered backing in?

It's almost the same crap put forth about our two runs..We weren't 10-6 in '07, we were 14-6..THAT was our season long body of work, no matter how we ended up there..

We weren't 9-7 in '11, we were 13-7(.650 ball)..THAT was our season long body of work..

Lightning in a bottle twice, my ass..
yea arc  
Fish : 4/10/2015 10:03 am : link
lighten the fuck up bitch. Lets us enjoy the early stages of success.
NFT.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/10/2015 10:05 am : link
.
Look  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 10:08 am : link
I am obvioulsly obsessed with this team and don't give a fuck how they got in, but how is this even up for debate?

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I hayte the Isles(Rangers fan) but
Big Blue '56 : 10:03 am : link : reply
in what universe is 100 points considered backing in?p


1) 100 points is not what it used to be with the SO and we should stop pretending it is.

2) The point total has NOTHING to do with whether or not a team backed in. What matters is what they did down the home stretch and if they were in jeopardy when they shouldn't have been. The Islanders fit the bill on both of those. The only thing that would make it more definitive would be if they actually NEEDED other teams to lose (which still might be the case).

It also hurts the cause for "backing in" that it didn't last until the final game of the season, but if you look at the body of work over the last 6 weeks and the position the Islanders and fans found themselves in until about 10pm last night, you can't say on any level that they went out and took what's theirs. They relied heavily on previous success.
And why do we keep saying 100 points?  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 10:09 am : link
We have 98.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2015 10:11 am : link
LOL, enjoy it all you can. I didn't say not to. I don't think my stance is at all unreasonable though. You've all watched this team all year long and I know not one of you would agree that it's the same team now as it was a few months ago.

Doesn't mean that can't turn around. It's just an observation. I realize fans don't like to hear bad things about their team.

I think experience in this league is paramount. Knowing how to navigate the playoffs and deal with adversity is a big deal and the Islanders are a team with a lot of guys who don't have that experience yet.

Your window is just opening now so obviously you guys have a lot to look forward to. I just wouldn't put too much stock in this particular year. Winning a round would be a big accomplishment and a successful season.
Congrats!  
Andy in Halifax : 4/10/2015 10:12 am : link
Beat the Pens anyway. Fuck them, they don't deserve to make it.
RE: And why do we keep saying 100 points?  
Big Blue '56 : 4/10/2015 10:13 am : link
In comment 12226786 Mike in Long Beach said:
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We have 98.


Hadn't looked at the standings all that closely..Saw some say 100..My point stands even if they wind up with 98
Mike  
pganut : 4/10/2015 10:14 am : link
The only mention of 100 points in this thread was from the good doctor.

But because I am theceternal optimist, I think at least 2 points get earned between tonight/tomorrow to hit the century mark.
RE: .  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 10:15 am : link
In comment 12226793 arcarsenal said:
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LOL, enjoy it all you can. I didn't say not to. I don't think my stance is at all unreasonable though. You've all watched this team all year long and I know not one of you would agree that it's the same team now as it was a few months ago.

Doesn't mean that can't turn around. It's just an observation. I realize fans don't like to hear bad things about their team.

I think experience in this league is paramount. Knowing how to navigate the playoffs and deal with adversity is a big deal and the Islanders are a team with a lot of guys who don't have that experience yet.

Your window is just opening now so obviously you guys have a lot to look forward to. I just wouldn't put too much stock in this particular year. Winning a round would be a big accomplishment and a successful season.


I agree with most of this but as I've said numerous times before, I think the lack of experience angle is really overstated and borderline inaccurate.

G: Halak: Single-handedly carried a Montrael team to the Eastern Conference Finals when they had no business being there.

Defense: Our top two defenseman are Stanley Cup winners. One was considered a leader on his cup team, the other a big contributor. Viznozky is 38 years old. Hamonic is hitting his prime and has seen the postseason before. Hickey and de Haan are raw, but both have been to the playoffs.

Those are most important units to have playoff experience and I'd actually say with Leddy, Boychuck, Viznozky and Halak, we are actually very experienced in that regard.

The offense, yes, has never really gone deep, but about 3/4s of the team got a taste of the postseason 2 years ago. It has to start somewhere for all good teams.

I worry about our blubbering idiot of a coach. I don't worry about our experience.
RE: Lol @  
Big Blue '56 : 4/10/2015 10:15 am : link
In comment 12226564 Danny Kanell said:
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Backing in...with 100 points.

It's up to Halak. If he's great or even very good, we can do some damage.

LGI


pga, i saw this first
Doc  
pganut : 4/10/2015 10:17 am : link
My bad. If you're an eye specialist, I may just fly to AZ to have you fix that for me!

But a Rangers fan? Is your degree from JC Duvalier's med school? ;-)
.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/10/2015 10:18 am : link


I liked the Halak signing at the time for you guys, but I think the guy is a below average goaltender. That was five years and three teams ago, IIRC.

I still think the Islanders need to upgrade the position, along with adding an elite winger and one or two superior defenders (these things may be in your system for all I know).
I was quoting Mike's section on Halak.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/10/2015 10:20 am : link
Don't know why it didn't show up there.
RE: Doc  
Big Blue '56 : 4/10/2015 10:36 am : link
In comment 12226814 pganut said:
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My bad. If you're an eye specialist, I may just fly to AZ to have you fix that for me!

But a Rangers fan? Is your degree from JC Duvalier's med school? ;-)


No eyes, just bones, tendons and ligaments..:)
RE: .  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 10:37 am : link
In comment 12226816 BrettNYG10 said:
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I liked the Halak signing at the time for you guys, but I think the guy is a below average goaltender. That was five years and three teams ago, IIRC.

I still think the Islanders need to upgrade the position, along with adding an elite winger and one or two superior defenders (these things may be in your system for all I know).



First off, I know he's been very mediocre lately, but the man was a damn All-Star this season. He is a reigning NHL All Star. He is not below average, but not elite either. He is a somewhere between a B and a B+ goalie. Below average is almost outrageous.

Secondly, the fact that you note the playoff run he had was 5 years ago actually supports the point I was trying to make to arc, which was that he is experienced. That was the whole point of the argument/discussion. No, it has no bearing on his play this year.. but his play this year earned him an All Star birth and a solid overall season.
Also to the Islanders fans in NYC here  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 10:42 am : link
I'm sending out an email tonight regarding getting together for a playoff game.

Please email NYCIslandersFan@GMAIL.com if you are interested in joining.
And obviously  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 10:44 am : link
If you already emailed I have you accounted for.
Halak's biggest issues have been some untimely gaffes  
pganut : 4/10/2015 10:44 am : link
Some puckhandling mishaps that turned into goals (3-4 that are quite vivid) and the incredible lack of focus on that Schenn prayer are the biggest mistakes.

He has a sv pctg of .922 over the past 20 games, so while the Isles' slide was there, his play wasn't the issue at all.

For the year, NHL average is .914 sv pctg and 2.52 GAA. Halak currently sits at .913 and 2.44. Essentially league average...but remember this: even "average" goaltending in the 2013 playoffs likely carries the Isles past PIT. I have the feeling that Halak plays north of average in the playoffs as the team will tighten up their D if they want to advance.

On another note, anyone want to take a stab at the over/under for PIT PPs tonight? You know the league desperately wants to make sure the Crying Marios get into the playoffs. Be prepared to shake your head often tonight.
RE: RE: .  
EricNY33 : 4/10/2015 10:45 am : link
In comment 12226852 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 12226816 BrettNYG10 said:


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I liked the Halak signing at the time for you guys, but I think the guy is a below average goaltender. That was five years and three teams ago, IIRC.

I still think the Islanders need to upgrade the position, along with adding an elite winger and one or two superior defenders (these things may be in your system for all I know).




First off, I know he's been very mediocre lately, but the man was a damn All-Star this season. He is a reigning NHL All Star. He is not below average, but not elite either. He is a somewhere between a B and a B+ goalie. Below average is almost outrageous.

Secondly, the fact that you note the playoff run he had was 5 years ago actually supports the point I was trying to make to arc, which was that he is experienced. That was the whole point of the argument/discussion. No, it has no bearing on his play this year.. but his play this year earned him an All Star birth and a solid overall season.


All you say is true Mike but I do not trust him. He's the best we got but I do not trust him at all. All year I have said that if the Islanders fail in the playoffs it's going to be because of Halak. He's just too inconsistent, and not from game to game either. It's almost from shot to shot.
RE: Also to the Islanders fans in NYC here  
Fish : 4/10/2015 10:47 am : link
In comment 12226864 Mike in Long Beach said:
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I'm sending out an email tonight regarding getting together for a playoff game.

Please email NYCIslandersFan@GMAIL.com if you are interested in joining.


Also add in any rags fans in area who may want to hang.... Assuming not Rangers game that night.
The Isles  
KWhite2250 : 4/10/2015 10:48 am : link
Seem cursed when it comes to finding a goalie. Osgood and Snow were the last real good goalies for us. Others that were good put on that jersey and become worse it seems...hextall, nabby, dp, halak, neuvirth
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2015 10:49 am : link
Halak and Cam Ward have roughly the same GAA and sv% numbers this year, FWIW..
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Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 10:52 am : link
In comment 12226883 arcarsenal said:
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Halak and Cam Ward have roughly the same GAA and sv% numbers this year, FWIW..


arc, its worth something, but not much. To my chagrin, the Islanders don't play a style that supports gaudy goal tending numbers. Even with that, through 2/3s of the season he still managed to have "All Star Worthy" numbers. Those numbers have dropped, but that's mostly due to the team as a whole shitting the bed down the stretch.

He's made plenty of big saves. We've seen what this team does to goalies. You guys loved your LOLNabby commentary, but Nabokov was a hell of a goalie for a long time. He came here and was solid when we were solid, and an absolute nightmare otherwise. Part of it was his age, but a lot of it was the team in front of him.

DK said it best.. if the Islanders are going to make any noise in the playoffs, they need Halak to bring his A game. He can't be a B goalie anymore. He needs a run like he had 5 years ago. It's not likely, but it's something he's proven he can do.
Mike  
KWhite2250 : 4/10/2015 10:54 am : link
Halak was like the 6th choice for the all star game. He wasnt originally on the team. Price, howard and luongo were. Henrik turned it down after an injury and i believe another guy too before Halak was put on the team. He hasnt been good but because nabby and poulin were so bad before, he looks much better.
Mike  
Mike in NY : 4/10/2015 10:54 am : link
I tried e-mailing you at the e-mail address you put in this thread from my Gmail account and it bounced back
OOF SORRY!!!  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 10:55 am : link
I'm a dumbass.

NYCIslandersFanS@gmail.com

I forgot the S.
RE: Mike  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 10:56 am : link
In comment 12226892 KWhite2250 said:
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Halak was like the 6th choice for the all star game. He wasnt originally on the team. Price, howard and luongo were. Henrik turned it down after an injury and i believe another guy too before Halak was put on the team. He hasnt been good but because nabby and poulin were so bad before, he looks much better.


Yep. All Star selections without people backing out are reserved for the NHL elite, which Halak certainly is not. He is on that level just below, which was validated in my eyes by his replacement selection.
RE: Mike  
EricNY33 : 4/10/2015 10:57 am : link
In comment 12226892 KWhite2250 said:
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Halak was like the 6th choice for the all star game. He wasnt originally on the team. Price, howard and luongo were. Henrik turned it down after an injury and i believe another guy too before Halak was put on the team. He hasnt been good but because nabby and poulin were so bad before, he looks much better.


He's had stretches where he's been very good. Let's not say he hasn't been any good. It just seems with him it goes to extremes. His highs are pretty high and his lows are very low.
RE: RE: .  
BrettNYG10 : 4/10/2015 11:01 am : link
In comment 12226852 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 12226816 BrettNYG10 said:


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I liked the Halak signing at the time for you guys, but I think the guy is a below average goaltender. That was five years and three teams ago, IIRC.

I still think the Islanders need to upgrade the position, along with adding an elite winger and one or two superior defenders (these things may be in your system for all I know).




First off, I know he's been very mediocre lately, but the man was a damn All-Star this season. He is a reigning NHL All Star. He is not below average, but not elite either. He is a somewhere between a B and a B+ goalie. Below average is almost outrageous.

Secondly, the fact that you note the playoff run he had was 5 years ago actually supports the point I was trying to make to arc, which was that he is experienced. That was the whole point of the argument/discussion. No, it has no bearing on his play this year.. but his play this year earned him an All Star birth and a solid overall season.


He was an All-Star because a handful of goalies backed out and his numbers were okay at that point.

Of the 42 goalies who've played 27 or more games, he's tied for 26th.

If you guys had Corey Schneider, you'd have run away with the division.
I can remember  
KWhite2250 : 4/10/2015 11:04 am : link
The rangers game he stood on his head and then he was ok. Last week or 2 weeks ago he had 3 games where he finally was the goalie we had hoped for. He stood on his head and they still lost those games. Then he followed it up with 2 not so good games.

I was a huge supporter of this pickup and I used the same argument as Mike is now when MAB and I went back and forth about Halak being untested in playoffs. But as the season has gone on, he has not been impressive. I will give him a pass this year because any night 3 of the 6 dmen are midgets who just do not help the guy out in front of his crease. Just think how bad this D could've been had Leddy and Boychuk not been picked up.

I know its not nice to do but I am also praying for a strait injury. The curse of Strait needs to be taken off the team somehow!!!
All I want  
EricNY33 : 4/10/2015 11:05 am : link
is an Islanders-Rangers playoff series. Whatever happens happens, but I want that match-up because of what it will do for sports in this town.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2015 11:07 am : link
Potential/definite East playoff goalies...

Price
Lundqvist
Bishop
Halak
Fleury
Rask
Howard/Mrazek
Holtby
Hammond

Where do you put Halak in that group?

I would say Price, Lundqvist and Rask are certainly above him. Holtby has been better than Halak this year. Bishop and Fleury are probably in the same ballpark. Hammond has played far less games so where you put him is debatable.
RE: I can remember  
EricNY33 : 4/10/2015 11:08 am : link
In comment 12226915 KWhite2250 said:
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The rangers game he stood on his head and then he was ok. Last week or 2 weeks ago he had 3 games where he finally was the goalie we had hoped for. He stood on his head and they still lost those games. Then he followed it up with 2 not so good games.

I was a huge supporter of this pickup and I used the same argument as Mike is now when MAB and I went back and forth about Halak being untested in playoffs. But as the season has gone on, he has not been impressive. I will give him a pass this year because any night 3 of the 6 dmen are midgets who just do not help the guy out in front of his crease. Just think how bad this D could've been had Leddy and Boychuk not been picked up.

I know its not nice to do but I am also praying for a strait injury. The curse of Strait needs to be taken off the team somehow!!!


This is kinda what I mean. Before Tuesday night he was actually playing pretty well, and then he has a game like that and gives up a goal that a junior hockey goalie would easily stop.
RE: .  
EricNY33 : 4/10/2015 11:09 am : link
In comment 12226920 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
Potential/definite East playoff goalies...

Price
Lundqvist
Bishop
Halak
Fleury
Rask
Howard/Mrazek
Holtby
Hammond

Where do you put Halak in that group?

I would say Price, Lundqvist and Rask are certainly above him. Holtby has been better than Halak this year. Bishop and Fleury are probably in the same ballpark. Hammond has played far less games so where you put him is debatable.


Arc I'd agree with your assessment. He's probably on the same level as Bishop and Fleury.
KW  
pganut : 4/10/2015 11:12 am : link
Very valid points. Halak's play, on an individual level, has been solid. However, when being under siege - as amplified during the slide - due to walking turnover machines like Strait, or unoptimized defensive pairings as ridiculously "masterminded" by a coach that coaches with his gut, Halak has had to endure extended zone pressure and a season of failed clears...doesn't matter who the goalie is, he's gonna give up goals. To Halak's credit, his shakiest stretch was early (despite a winning record) when he gave up goal after goal high stick side. He brought his coach in and fixed it. As noted, there have been more than a couple of games post-ASB where he absolutely bailed us out by making incredible saves. I am hopeful, and expect, his experience to be a key to advancing now.
Pretty much agree with you.  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 11:14 am : link
My order would be:
1) Price
2) Lundqvist
3) Rask
4) Holtby
5) Bishop
6) Halak
7) Fleury
8) Hammond (though he could be anywhere on this list)
9) Howard/Mrazek (too much indecision here)

The thing is, IMO, you could make the argument Halak is as high as 4 or as low as 8. He's absolutely on par with Holtby and Bishop, but as I mentioned, the Islanders don't play well in front of him, especially lately, and that has greatly impacted his statistics.

Put it this way. Halak is 5th in the entire NHL in wins. 4th in the Eastern Conference. In his case specifically, I think the win total says a lot more than his GAA.
Halak's always been extremely inconsistent  
Greg from LI : 4/10/2015 11:15 am : link
It's why he's bounced around.
RE: RE: RE: This was the textboox definition of backing in.  
Mike from Ohio : 4/10/2015 11:16 am : link
In comment 12226709 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 12226657 Mike from Ohio said:


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In comment 12226591 arcarsenal said:


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Any of you guys trying to paint it any differently are just trying to see unicorns and roses. The Islanders were woefully unimpressive since basically that 6-5 loss to the Rangers back in mid February and have not strung together a bunch of quality wins in quite some time.

Does that mean they have no chance of doing anything in the playoffs? No, not at all... but 1) I believe the Isles are a team that needs home ice to win a playoff round this year and 2) If they don't legitimately play better than they've been over the last handful of weeks, it might not even matter.



So a team not playing well down the stretch is backing in? Not the way 99% of the world uses that term, but if it makes Rangers fans happy, enjoy!



Looks like I struck a nerve.

Go ahead and tell me how many of the teams who will be in the playoffs this year have been worse than the Islanders over the last month+

You have a losing record since February 16th (9-10-5. You had the most wins in the entire league around the midway point and needed until game 80 to even clinch a playoff spot (via an assist from Florida)

I had no problem admitting how impressive the Isles were earlier in the year but they've been anything but for some time now.

And again, it doesn't mean they will get swept out of the first round. They're capable of playing better but it has been a while since they've done it consistently.

If you think they're good enough to make a Cup run this year, good for you. I personally don't see it.. but nothing wrong with being optimistic about your team.


Didn't strike a nerve at all, I was explaining to you why I think you are using the term incorrectly. The fact that you are a Ranger fan misusing it on an Islander thread only makes it more unusual. But call it what you will.

I am not sure why you would suggest that saying "they didn't back in" is synonymous with "they are playing really well now" but let me clarify. No, I don't believe the Islanders are playing well now, and I am aware of their record over that stretch as there were only 3 games I did not watch buzzer to buzzer all year.

I don't think the Islanders are winning the cup this year. I said so back when they were in first place in the division, and did so on this board. They are talented but inexperienced, and those teams usually don't go all the way.

If you want to stir shit, feel free to do so, but please stop constructing straw men to knock down to do so.
Frans made the trip  
KWhite2250 : 4/10/2015 11:17 am : link
But Matt Martin did not. Also Jiggs will be doing the game, maybe he can regain the magic he brought to us the last few years.
Hey we're in  
Dave M : 4/10/2015 11:20 am : link
Halak was one of the top contributors to the Islanders being a playoff team. He carried the Islanders against the leagues elite including 3 great games against the President trophy winners. I think he did get worn out because of the workload and it showed. After they traded for Neuvirth he got some rest and I think he's looked better the last couple weeks(Tuesdays goal aside). It would be great to knock the penguins out of the playoffs so I hope the A game is brought tonight.

Seriously though, he's actually going to sit out a valuable player to dress Strait in the playoffs. It is unfathomable that he's going to do that. Also, we've seen enough of pig nose to know why he shouldn't play. Dress Grabs idiot!
RE: RE: RE: RE: This was the textboox definition of backing in.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2015 11:25 am : link
In comment 12226940 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 12226709 arcarsenal said:


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In comment 12226657 Mike from Ohio said:


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In comment 12226591 arcarsenal said:


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Any of you guys trying to paint it any differently are just trying to see unicorns and roses. The Islanders were woefully unimpressive since basically that 6-5 loss to the Rangers back in mid February and have not strung together a bunch of quality wins in quite some time.

Does that mean they have no chance of doing anything in the playoffs? No, not at all... but 1) I believe the Isles are a team that needs home ice to win a playoff round this year and 2) If they don't legitimately play better than they've been over the last handful of weeks, it might not even matter.



So a team not playing well down the stretch is backing in? Not the way 99% of the world uses that term, but if it makes Rangers fans happy, enjoy!



Looks like I struck a nerve.

Go ahead and tell me how many of the teams who will be in the playoffs this year have been worse than the Islanders over the last month+

You have a losing record since February 16th (9-10-5. You had the most wins in the entire league around the midway point and needed until game 80 to even clinch a playoff spot (via an assist from Florida)

I had no problem admitting how impressive the Isles were earlier in the year but they've been anything but for some time now.

And again, it doesn't mean they will get swept out of the first round. They're capable of playing better but it has been a while since they've done it consistently.

If you think they're good enough to make a Cup run this year, good for you. I personally don't see it.. but nothing wrong with being optimistic about your team.



Didn't strike a nerve at all, I was explaining to you why I think you are using the term incorrectly. The fact that you are a Ranger fan misusing it on an Islander thread only makes it more unusual. But call it what you will.

I am not sure why you would suggest that saying "they didn't back in" is synonymous with "they are playing really well now" but let me clarify. No, I don't believe the Islanders are playing well now, and I am aware of their record over that stretch as there were only 3 games I did not watch buzzer to buzzer all year.

I don't think the Islanders are winning the cup this year. I said so back when they were in first place in the division, and did so on this board. They are talented but inexperienced, and those teams usually don't go all the way.

If you want to stir shit, feel free to do so, but please stop constructing straw men to knock down to do so.


I'm not sure where I was "stirring shit", I think you and I just have different interpretations of what backing into the playoffs means.

Simply put, I think when a team is playing poorly down the stretch or below the level they had been for most of year and has to start scoreboard watching a bit to clinch a spot, they're more or less backing in. I'm aware you could have just clinched on your own but considering that it took until game 80 to clinch when you were leading the entire league in wins not too long ago tells me you're stumbling across the finish line. Will it matter once the playoffs start? Probably not. I don't know.

Semantics, really. Call it whatever you want. My being a Rangers fan doesn't make a difference. I'd say the same thing about them if the roles were reversed.
RE: All I want  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 11:27 am : link
In comment 12226917 EricNY33 said:
Quote:
is an Islanders-Rangers playoff series. Whatever happens happens, but I want that match-up because of what it will do for sports in this town.


1 Islanders ROW guarantees that the teams will meet in the 2nd round if they win their respective 1st round series.

Would a whole take a lot to get the Rangers in the first round:
Isles lose last 2
Sens win last game
Pitt gets 3/4 remaining possible points
Detroit gets at least a point in their last game

And there are too many scenarios (all unlikely) for me to even figure out right now to get the Rangers in the ECF, meaning we'd fall to 7 specifically. If someone else wants to take a stab at that, please do ha
RE: This was the textboox definition of backing in.  
Mike from Ohio : 4/10/2015 11:34 am : link
In comment 12226970 arcarsenal said:
Quote:

Simply put, I think when a team is playing poorly down the stretch or below the level they had been for most of year and has to start scoreboard watching a bit to clinch a spot, they're more or less backing in.


This is where we differ. I don't see playing really well for half a year, and then falling off but still controlling your own destiny is backing in. If you do, we will agree to disagree. But I think you can see how coming on an Islander thread celebrating them making the playoffs to stay they backed in is might be construed by some as shit stirring, no?

Either way, as we can all agree the standings reset next week and it is wide open after that. Would love to get a first round win and go against the Rangers in round 2 - regardless of outcome. As you mentioned this is the first step in a building process. I would feel much differently about that step if they win a playoff series. The confidence gleaned from that may be what they need to regain their earlier season form, and then anything is possible.
Btw  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 11:35 am : link
I tip of the cap to the Red Wings organization, extending their professional sports record of 24 straight playoff appearances. Unreal.
Oh for fucks sake  
KWhite2250 : 4/10/2015 11:59 am : link
Strait is still playing. Is de haan hurt? This is becoming beyond frustrating with this guy. Frans and Martin still out. Clutterbuck back and cmac out.
Strait must  
EricNY33 : 4/10/2015 12:04 pm : link
have incriminating photos or information on Capuano. I can't understand why this guy sees any ice time.
It's comical  
Lithium : 4/10/2015 12:12 pm : link
now that deHaan continues to sit in favor of both Hickey and Strait. Every outlet I have read states Fred needs to stop the insanity and sit Strait. This guy, at best a 7th dman, is going to play close to 60 games this year. It's disgraceful.
I said this months ago  
hudson : 4/10/2015 12:16 pm : link
That Halak wouldn't hold up.
That's been his history, and why he is on his 4th team.

He is a very good goalie for stretches, but simply is not durable enough to handle a full 60+ game workload without significant dropoff.

A 1A goalie if there ever was one.
RE: I said this months ago  
Dave M : 4/10/2015 12:26 pm : link
In comment 12227081 hudson said:
Quote:
That Halak wouldn't hold up.
That's been his history, and why he is on his 4th team.

He is a very good goalie for stretches, but simply is not durable enough to handle a full 60+ game workload without significant dropoff.

A 1A goalie if there ever was one.



He's going to be fine. He'll put a big nail in your teams coffin tonight.
RE: RE: I said this months ago  
hudson : 4/10/2015 12:38 pm : link
In comment 12227102 Dave M said:
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In comment 12227081 hudson said:


Quote:


That Halak wouldn't hold up.
That's been his history, and why he is on his 4th team.

He is a very good goalie for stretches, but simply is not durable enough to handle a full 60+ game workload without significant dropoff.

A 1A goalie if there ever was one.




He's going to be fine. He'll put a big nail in your teams coffin tonight.

How's that division banner coming along.....
Winning the division  
Metnut : 4/10/2015 12:42 pm : link
sure proved important in last year's playoffs.
RE: RE: RE: I said this months ago  
Mike in NY : 4/10/2015 12:44 pm : link
In comment 12227136 hudson said:
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In comment 12227102 Dave M said:


Quote:


In comment 12227081 hudson said:


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That Halak wouldn't hold up.
That's been his history, and why he is on his 4th team.

He is a very good goalie for stretches, but simply is not durable enough to handle a full 60+ game workload without significant dropoff.

A 1A goalie if there ever was one.




He's going to be fine. He'll put a big nail in your teams coffin tonight.


How's that division banner coming along.....


That division banner is not coming along well for your Penguins. Wait, you are still a Penguins fan? With you flip flopping more than a former candidate for President I really cannot tell anymore
The last  
Fish : 4/10/2015 1:18 pm : link
2 posts suck.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2015 1:29 pm : link
Nothing will ever suck as hard as you, Fish.
RE: .  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 2:10 pm : link
In comment 12227194 arcarsenal said:
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Jeez, man.. not a hudson fan but if he really does have Aspergers and you're taunting him about it that's a pretty bad look.

He deserves like 90% of the shit he gets but that's going a little far. Better off just calling him a douche and moving on or ignoring him altogether.


I see where you're coming from, but he's on literally every Islanders thread at this point. If shaming him away is the only way (other than reporting him to Eric which I will never do) then I really don't care. If hudson wants to start contributing in an acceptable way he's fine by me.
Agree with arc on this one  
Mike from Ohio : 4/10/2015 2:23 pm : link
Stick to calling him a douche. Leave the aspergers shit out of this. Low class crap there.
It's hudson  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 2:32 pm : link
I really couldn't care less.
and anyone who really suffers from aspergers  
Mike from Ohio : 4/10/2015 2:42 pm : link
This is why I hate when anyone suggests one team's fans are better than another's. Clearly every fan base has their share of idiot douchebags.
Omg  
Fish : 4/10/2015 2:47 pm : link
It's hockey for crying out loud. What's in a name. Go cry in a pillow.
RE: Omg  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 2:54 pm : link
In comment 12227397 Fish said:
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It's hockey for crying out loud. What's in a name. Go cry in a pillow.


He must be new here.
RE: RE: Omg  
Mike from Ohio : 4/10/2015 2:57 pm : link
In comment 12227414 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 12227397 Fish said:


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It's hockey for crying out loud. What's in a name. Go cry in a pillow.



He must be new here.


No, just understanding why nobody takes you seriously.
Go Bucks!!  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 2:58 pm : link
I'm not going to fight with you over Hudson, lol
I hate the bucks  
Mike from Ohio : 4/10/2015 3:02 pm : link
Not interested in fighting with anyone. Just speaking my mind.
RE: I hate the bucks  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 3:13 pm : link
In comment 12227433 Mike from Ohio said:
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Not interested in fighting with anyone. Just speaking my mind.



go Islanders?
On another note.  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 3:25 pm : link
What's up with playoff tickets. Someone here mentioned they heard from the inside that they were only going to be made available to Barclays and NVMC season ticket holders. Was there any truth to that?

I'm thinking it's less and less likely, just because if that were the case, they would've made an announcement already. Would be a pretty big F you to the fans to tell them at the last second that they won't be able to buy tickets. I don't think that's going to happen, though.
RE: On another note.  
Metnut : 4/10/2015 3:30 pm : link
In comment 12227493 Mike in Long Beach said:
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What's up with playoff tickets. Someone here mentioned they heard from the inside that they were only going to be made available to Barclays and NVMC season ticket holders. Was there any truth to that?

I'm thinking it's less and less likely, just because if that were the case, they would've made an announcement already. Would be a pretty big F you to the fans to tell them at the last second that they won't be able to buy tickets. I don't think that's going to happen, though.


Ticketmaster says that there's a presale for AmEx holders Monday at noon and then general public Wednesday at 9am. I don't expect too many tickets to be available and expect that most of us will be stuck with stubhub if we want to go. We're looking at $120-$150 for cheap seats.
Hey, i have one of those :)  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 3:37 pm : link
.
RE: Hey, i have one of those :)  
Metnut : 4/10/2015 3:43 pm : link
In comment 12227528 Mike in Long Beach said:
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Good luck. I'm going to give it a shot too, but I'm likely going to be 6-20 beers deep at Mets opening day when the presale happens.

I'm committed to going to at least one playoff game, even if it means secondary market costs. I need to say goodbye to the barn.
Dave M  
Fish : 4/10/2015 4:24 pm : link
and I went to the Isles / Pens playoff game 2 years ago. Awesome time. We drank scotch in parking lot at 12:00 in afternoon. That was our tailgate.
Please, please, please, Islanders,  
oldog : 4/10/2015 4:38 pm : link
win tonight. Whiney, fakey, Sydney, must be denied, and you need better position for the playoffs. I will watch with my fingers crossed.
And Hammond,  
oldog : 4/10/2015 4:45 pm : link
is having a year the likes of which has not been seen since 1971. (Ken Dryden).
RE: Dave M  
JayBinQueens : 4/10/2015 4:57 pm : link
In comment 12227605 Fish said:
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and I went to the Isles / Pens playoff game 2 years ago. Awesome time. We drank scotch in parking lot at 12:00 in afternoon. That was our tailgate.


Which game were you at?
I was at 3 & 6
We were  
Fish : 4/10/2015 5:10 pm : link
at Game 3 I think. OT loss on BS OT penalty call vs Cindy
RE: We were  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 5:26 pm : link
In comment 12227686 Fish said:
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at Game 3 I think. OT loss on BS OT penalty call vs Cindy


I was at Game 4. 6-5 final I think.
Game 3 was on my birthday IRRC  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 5:27 pm : link
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MiLB  
pganut : 4/10/2015 5:40 pm : link
Check your playoff get together email.
so Hudson really has Aspergers?  
Dave M : 4/10/2015 6:15 pm : link
I'm lost here.
RE: Game 3 was on my birthday IRRC  
BrettNYG10 : 4/10/2015 6:38 pm : link
In comment 12227704 Mike in Long Beach said:
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No, it was the day before.
MiLB  
hudson : 4/10/2015 6:43 pm : link
You're a tool.
You've been trying to post this rumor about me every since you discovered it, and it just makes you look bad.

Let me clear this up, my post on Halak was not trolling.
Moreover, I've been on maybe 5 Isles threads this season, four of which were Pens or Rangers games.
I'm just about NEVER on your GDT's, YOU on the other hand are constantly over on the Ranger threads, where many posters find it obsessive.
Maybe this is just projection on your behalf (if you're going to attempt, comically, to psycho analyze me).
I mean, you have repeated this about me numerous times; like somebody with turrets or AS would.


Bottom line, you've done more to discredit and embarrass yourself with these posts towards me than I think I could inflict in any post targeted at you.

I've always like the phrase "Give somebody enough rope to hang themselves," well done.
Well to all the people  
The 12th Man : 4/10/2015 9:45 pm : link
Who believed we backed in, We Didn't! Go Isles!
Lets talk playoffs here  
Fish : 4/14/2015 11:38 am : link
since it is a playoff thread.

de naan said it will suck to start playoffs without hamonic.
RE: Lets talk playoffs here  
marbles : 4/14/2015 11:43 am : link
In comment 12232313 Fish said:
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since it is a playoff thread.

de naan said it will suck to start playoffs without hamonic.


And it will suck more having to watch Strait anytime he is on the ice at the same time as Ovechkin.
I would like to know  
Fish : 4/14/2015 11:47 am : link
who is the guy who is going to bother Ovie all night long? That probably would have been hamonic. Ala hamonic against Malkin. Dude took no shit.
Boychuk  
KWhite2250 : 4/14/2015 11:53 am : link
But i dont have the confidence in the coach to actually get this matchup. I would also assign grabner just to be all over ovechkin in the d zone.
RE: Boychuk  
marbles : 4/14/2015 12:15 pm : link
In comment 12232334 KWhite2250 said:
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But i dont have the confidence in the coach to actually get this matchup. I would also assign grabner just to be all over ovechkin in the d zone.


The Frans line must eat, drink, and breathe, everything Ovechkin this series. I don't care if they are scoreless this series, as long as they keep Ovechkin from going on a scoring binge.
Lines  
JayBinQueens : 4/14/2015 12:36 pm : link
I'd want

ko-jt-lee
Nelson-Strome-baily
Kulemin-Frans-Grabner (shadow ovie like was said)
Martin/Zeeker/cal

Obv would change if grabbo is healthy
Did you guys receive my email this morning?  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/14/2015 12:55 pm : link
Hope to see a bunch of you there
Agree  
Fish : 4/14/2015 1:10 pm : link
In Grabner being the guy. Not sure he has killer instinct though. You know the type of guys that pushes ovie after the Whistle.

I did not get email this morning but cannot make it tomorrow anyway.
RE: Agree  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/14/2015 1:13 pm : link
In comment 12232443 Fish said:
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In Grabner being the guy. Not sure he has killer instinct though. You know the type of guys that pushes ovie after the Whistle.

I did not get email this morning but cannot make it tomorrow anyway.


Ah I see what happened. KWhite responded to my initial email just seconds after I added you onto the chain. Then everyone (including me) replied all to KWhite's email without you on it.
I sent an email?  
KWhite2250 : 4/14/2015 1:26 pm : link
Hopefully you messed up on who sent it otherwise I guess my email got hacked
We all have hockey on the brain  
pganut : 4/14/2015 1:26 pm : link
I was gonna start a playoffs-eve thread, but wanted to leave you guys some goodies:

- First and foremost, set your DVRs. Tonight from 7pm-8pm, NHL Network will air the Fort Neverlose special. I looked up the NHLN programming schedule and can confirm it's from 7 to 8. If you miss it tonight, it re-airs on 4/19 at 3pm.

- Sunday saw MDC pot another goal and 2 assists in Oshawa's taking a 2-0 series lead over Josh Ho-Sang's Niagara Ice Dogs.

- These are the lines being run in practice: 86-91-18, 12-51-21, 27-29-40/26, 17-53-15, 36-84-13. Grabovski also centered the 4th line when Zeeker went off yesterday.

- Injuries: No timetable for Hamonic's return. D-pairs have been the same as the regular season finale. Reinhart has been practicing with Donovan.

- Martin and Nielsen both feel like they should be able to play tomorrow. We'll see what the trainers & Cappy say.

- Articles to peruse:
Newsday: Playoffs a different game for Isles' talented but young forwards
Nick Leddy, Johnny Boychuk bring much-needed playoff experience to Islanders
Sportsnet:
On an island: Tavares built to handle pressure

- Finally, some great words from our beloved Jiggs McDonald, who was genuinely touched in the fans' saluting him in the NVMC regular season finale. How can you not love Jiggsy?
Quote:
I am still riding on a cloud -- one made by the NY Islanders fans who welcomed me so warmly this past Saturday. The walk from the hotel to the Coliseum was special because of your handshakes and kind comments..selfies too. Then as I made my way to the public address location--what can I say. I teared up during your "Jiggs McDonald" chant...

Very few play by play announcers experience the respect you've given me over so many years and I just want to return that respect today. You are the most loyal hockey fans I've ever worked for and I hope you'll be rewarded with a loooong playoff run this year as well as a true contender for many years to come.
great stuff as usual  
Fish : 4/14/2015 1:44 pm : link
the best is Jiggs though.
RE: I sent an email?  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/14/2015 1:45 pm : link
In comment 12232487 KWhite2250 said:
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Hopefully you messed up on who sent it otherwise I guess my email got hacked


Ha you definitely one. Or someone is posing as you.
Did you not send this?  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/14/2015 1:47 pm : link
And then one other a couple days ago?....

Hey Mike,

KWhite here.

I'd definitely be interested in meeting up for a game. UES works best for me. If you want i can contact some bars in the area. Should be a great time. Keep me posted.
Someone is posing as me  
KWhite2250 : 4/14/2015 1:48 pm : link
What was the email? I checked my sent mail on my gmail and nothing out that I dont know of.

Just changed my password to be safe
RE: Someone is posing as me  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/14/2015 1:49 pm : link
In comment 12232559 KWhite2250 said:
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What was the email? I checked my sent mail on my gmail and nothing out that I dont know of.

Just changed my password to be safe


I could post it here if you want, but was respecting your privacy. You didn't send the above message?
Nope didnt send it  
KWhite2250 : 4/14/2015 1:51 pm : link
unreal that someone is posing as me.
RE: Nope didnt send it  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/14/2015 1:52 pm : link
In comment 12232572 KWhite2250 said:
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unreal that someone is posing as me.


Ha, this is precisely why I made a NYCIslandersFans email and didn't post my personal one. Lots of crazy people out there.
Wow  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/14/2015 1:54 pm : link
He just sent another email.
Yea dont post the email  
KWhite2250 : 4/14/2015 1:54 pm : link
I changed all my passwords for everything already just to be safe. I think its just a made up email account but who knows
It's going to be  
Metnut : 4/14/2015 2:37 pm : link
hard going without Hamonic. Leddy, Boychuk, Hamonic and Tavares are basically the 4 players that we could least afford an injury to. Leddy/Boychuk should play major minutes. It'll be interesting to see whether Grabovski plays and whether he is in condition to step right into the playoffs.

I'll be at the bar Wednesday night. Looking forward to meeting some of you guys and hopefully cheering on a game 1 win.
Just a thought  
Fish : 4/14/2015 3:50 pm : link
If we can't get tix to home game how about road trip via amtrak to DC. How much are tickets there.
If you fancy the Acela as I do, it'll be $300+ R/T  
pganut : 4/14/2015 3:58 pm : link
But if you travel the cattle car (Northeast Regional), you can probably make it for $120-150 R/T.

I couldn't do game 1 or 2 in DC, but if it gets to a 5th or 7th, I could probably swing it. 30 mile drive for me to Verizon Center...no prob there.
RE: Just a thought  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/14/2015 4:00 pm : link
In comment 12232827 Fish said:
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If we can't get tix to home game how about road trip via amtrak to DC. How much are tickets there.


A bus out of the port authority might be a much more affordable bet. Probably can get a round trip ticket for less than 50 bucks.
Out  
Fish : 4/14/2015 4:01 pm : link
It's acela for me and not shelling out $300 for that. How much are tickets for game 5.
I've seen tix for tomorrow & Friday at Verizon Center  
pganut : 4/14/2015 4:02 pm : link
Going for as little as $120-140.
RE: I've seen tix for tomorrow & Friday at Verizon Center  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/14/2015 4:06 pm : link
In comment 12232852 pganut said:
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Going for as little as $120-140.


$120? I see them on StubHub right now for game 1 for as little as $46
Wow  
pganut : 4/14/2015 4:21 pm : link
I had only seen emails from some neighbors who are Caps "fans" selling their tickets and NHL Ticket Exchange. Didn't realize STH had them for so cheap. Typical garbage Washington fans. Yeah, "rock the red"...maybe if they get to a conference final, right. The most clueless base of fans, no matter if the Skins, Expos Nats, or Caps...they know nothing about the respective sport in general and can't carry a conversation, but they've all been "big fans" since they got that Albert Ovechkin fella...they hear he's pretty good.
I would just take me Ford Flex  
Dave M : 4/14/2015 4:29 pm : link
To DC. Roll like a soccer mom
RE: I would just take me Ford Flex  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/14/2015 4:33 pm : link
In comment 12232890 Dave M said:
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To DC. Roll like a soccer mom


I asked my buddy if he'd come with me.. but he said no, plus I have the get-together with you guys tomorrow.

Speaking of which, you coming Dave?
RE: I would just take me Ford Flex  
Fish : 4/14/2015 4:33 pm : link
In comment 12232890 Dave M said:
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To DC. Roll like a soccer mom


Man thats a long drive.....
Also  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/14/2015 4:35 pm : link
Does this officially mean tickets aren't going on sale publicly? I assume so as the game is less than 27 hours away.
Eh, not so bad  
pganut : 4/14/2015 4:35 pm : link
I've driven up from DC to Giants Stadium and back in one day this past season, and also did the same for the Isles/Blues game we saw you at. Hardcore, dude.
RE: RE: I would just take me Ford Flex  
Dave M : 4/14/2015 4:49 pm : link
In comment 12232894 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 12232890 Dave M said:


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To DC. Roll like a soccer mom



I asked my buddy if he'd come with me.. but he said no, plus I have the get-together with you guys tomorrow.

Speaking of which, you coming Dave?


At this time I'd have to say No. I'm working on getting out early tomorrow so I can come by. I will definitely keep you updated. Did you get the email I sent?
Yep!  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/14/2015 4:51 pm : link
You should be on the chain sharing where to meet up.

Check your spam folder if you haven't received it. I just checked and you're on. Sending you a quick email anyway.
RE: Eh, not so bad  
Dave M : 4/14/2015 4:51 pm : link
In comment 12232901 pganut said:
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I've driven up from DC to Giants Stadium and back in one day this past season, and also did the same for the Isles/Blues game we saw you at. Hardcore, dude.


I used to make the drive to Germantown and back to NJ a couple times a week. Sometimes even overnight to make it to work the next day. Although, I admit the train ride home would be a lot nicer. I keep checking hoping that the Isles just delayed on selling tickets but it is becoming more apparent that they are not having a sale.
RE: RE: Eh, not so bad  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/14/2015 4:55 pm : link
In comment 12232926 Dave M said:
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In comment 12232901 pganut said:


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I've driven up from DC to Giants Stadium and back in one day this past season, and also did the same for the Isles/Blues game we saw you at. Hardcore, dude.



I used to make the drive to Germantown and back to NJ a couple times a week. Sometimes even overnight to make it to work the next day. Although, I admit the train ride home would be a lot nicer. I keep checking hoping that the Isles just delayed on selling tickets but it is becoming more apparent that they are not having a sale.


I'm trying to remember when they went on sale last time since the situation was (unfortunately) the same... meaning we didn't open at home. Were the tickets sold prior to Game 1 of the series overall? If so, who knows, maybe it's still coming.
RE: RE: RE: Eh, not so bad  
Dave M : 4/14/2015 5:00 pm : link
In comment 12232931 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 12232926 Dave M said:


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In comment 12232901 pganut said:


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I've driven up from DC to Giants Stadium and back in one day this past season, and also did the same for the Isles/Blues game we saw you at. Hardcore, dude.



I used to make the drive to Germantown and back to NJ a couple times a week. Sometimes even overnight to make it to work the next day. Although, I admit the train ride home would be a lot nicer. I keep checking hoping that the Isles just delayed on selling tickets but it is becoming more apparent that they are not having a sale.



I'm trying to remember when they went on sale last time since the situation was (unfortunately) the same... meaning we didn't open at home. Were the tickets sold prior to Game 1 of the series overall? If so, who knows, maybe it's still coming.


I don't remember. I think Fish got the tickets for us last time.
Dave...  
pganut : 4/14/2015 5:17 pm : link
...ah, that's right. I forgot you were "dating" that gal in Germantown (heh, heh). That's where I live!
I don't remember  
Fish : 4/14/2015 6:23 pm : link
I think it was on ticketmaster. I wonder if anyone drives up to box office, if anything available.
The isles  
KWhite2250 : 4/14/2015 6:47 pm : link
Might put singles up on ticketmaster but nothing else. All STH were allowed to buy an extra strip for each seat owned. And then you had the STH who bought tix to Brooklyn and were promised free playoff tix this year for rd 1 and 2. There just arent tix available. Keep checking the ticket exchange for tix in ok seats for around $160 that will end up being $181+ after the fee. Stubhub is insane. I sat in sec 107 for all 3 games 2yrs ago for $120-150 each game. Those are listed at $280+ now
Someone posted this to Facebook.  
Dave M : 4/14/2015 6:56 pm : link
From your mouth........
Link - ( New Window )
Could you imagine  
timintey : 4/14/2015 9:33 pm : link
Game 7, double OT and lose on a deflection? Odds are it would be Strait though, not Leddy...
So  
JayBinQueens : 4/14/2015 11:25 pm : link
I think we're all expecting Washington to want to play a physical, grinding game.

How do you think the Isles will counter it; use their legs to skate around them and try to beat them with speed?
Throw the 4th line out there early to send a physical message of their own?
In a perfect world  
pganut : 4/14/2015 11:47 pm : link
They'd simply replicate what they did for the first 3 1/2 months; play with pace, quick, sure passes, get the puck to the net and get back quickly and maintain gap control. All the little things they did right and can do again. However, injuries (which everyone has to deal with) and a coach who fiddles with things too much has slowed the meshing/gelling that should have happened over the last 30 or so games. Use the blueprint and execute.

I take two things away from earlier that should be valuable now: 1. earlier in the year, we scored in bunches. Skate, quick passes, shot, score. We only stumbled when they got too enamored with their success and started to get too cute just to make the perfect play. Eliminate that mistake. Keep the feet moving. Be decisive.
2. Sure, Jaro won a lot early, but there were lots of goals against despite all the early success. I think we can agree that he had some flaws early that he recognized he needed to work on, and did. Strangely, despite the March/April swoon, he actually played better goal, and had better than a .925 sv pctg over that time, with a period in there of over .930. Give me this Jaro and a defense that can mark their men responsibly and I'll take our odds. (Plus, Holtby's arms or legs may literally fall off after 73 starts)
Game day  
BlueHurricane : 4/15/2015 8:49 am : link
Here we go men!!!!!
Told  
Fish : 4/15/2015 8:55 am : link
My softball team I'm not playing tonight. Got plans. YES YES YES.
RE: Told  
BlueHurricane : 4/15/2015 9:12 am : link
In comment 12233649 Fish said:
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My softball team I'm not playing tonight. Got plans. YES YES YES.


My little dude is missing wrestling practice tonight too.
So pumped  
Metnut : 4/15/2015 9:14 am : link
for tonight.

I thought this video/song was well done.




http://youtu.be/2SOcNnE9J0g - ( New Window )
Great  
Fish : 4/15/2015 9:49 am : link
Video. I'm ready. Wish we had home ice though. Would have been great to open up here.
RE: Could you imagine  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/15/2015 9:53 am : link
In comment 12233363 timintey said:
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Game 7, double OT and lose on a deflection? Odds are it would be Strait though, not Leddy...


Haha I don't even know if I'd want that over a first round exit. I know logically I should... but holy fuck, I would die.
Oh boy  
KWhite2250 : 4/15/2015 10:13 am : link
So kennedy is on at practice and grabner not. Its an optional skate but alot of regulars are out there. This coach better not do it. Its like he sees what fans say and goes the opposite way to be a dbag.
^^^^^  
Fish : 4/15/2015 10:16 am : link
That sucks but Grabs could need the rest. Who knows.

What I do know is that Hamonic being out sucks balls.
RE: ^^^^^  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/15/2015 10:17 am : link
In comment 12233781 Fish said:
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That sucks but Grabs could need the rest. Who knows.

What I do know is that Hamonic being out sucks balls.


Honestly, if we lose Hamonic for more than this first game, I don't see how we win the series :(

Is he 100% confirmed out?
Same D  
Metnut : 4/15/2015 10:17 am : link
as last game so Hamonic is out as we expected.

I also saw that tweet about Kennedy on the ice for Grabner. Not sure what Capuono is up to. Grabner has looked better each game he's been out there.
RE: RE: ^^^^^  
Metnut : 4/15/2015 10:19 am : link
In comment 12233784 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 12233781 Fish said:


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That sucks but Grabs could need the rest. Who knows.

What I do know is that Hamonic being out sucks balls.



Honestly, if we lose Hamonic for more than this first game, I don't see how we win the series :(

Is he 100% confirmed out?


Staple says same D as last game with Halak in and forwards TBD. NYI official twitter says Halak in and rest of lineup TBD.
There is a chance  
Fish : 4/15/2015 10:31 am : link
Grabner kills Capuano soon right?
RE: There is a chance  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/15/2015 10:34 am : link
In comment 12233832 Fish said:
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Grabner kills Capuano soon right?


Ha Staple just tweeted he thinks Grabner is in and clarified "in case there was confusion."

Maybe if he didn't hashtag #Hmmm, there wouldn't have been confusion.

Quote:
Arthur StapleVerified account
‏@StapeNewsday
By the way, guys who are playing usually don't take AM skate. Scratches do. In case there was confusion. My guess is Grabner is in.
Staple's misleading tweet aside  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/15/2015 10:42 am : link
Capuano is just... he is just awful. Part of the reason Staple's tweet caused confusion is because our head coach has created an on-ice environment that lacks any continuity.

He makes people earn their place on the ice which is obviously a good thing, but by going about it the way he does, every single "move" he makes has a trickle effect that impacts every line and pairing we have. We don't even know for sure who John Tavares is playing with yet. Think about that.

Yes, Strome has been practicing with him, but would it shock anyone if Okposo is promoted and the kid line is reunited? Which would then probably mean Kulemin drops back to the 3rd line?

He is a train wreck. I have no idea what to expect each night and neither do the players. No one is feeling more accountable for their play because of them. They simply just don't know how to prepare because they don't know who they'll be playing with. He is terrible. Truly despise the way he manages this team, and I have how he does so with the bravado of a guy who's been there. Like when he talks about passengers vs. drivers... it's almost embarrassing. He is in place to make indescript shots at his players. He is the reason they are what they are.

We win in spite of him, not because of him. It's awful.
Sorry for the typos above.  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/15/2015 10:43 am : link
That was nothing more than a rant.
Staple's  
Metnut : 4/15/2015 10:43 am : link
tweet definitely confused me. He's also saying that Grabovski was skating with the rest of the likely scratches, so looks like he's likely not back tonight either.
MiLB  
Fish : 4/15/2015 10:59 am : link
And after watching Fort Neverlose last night. Listening to Bossy talk about him and Trottier saying they would just look over at one another and know what to do. How can any player get that chemistry if they are not sure who their line mates are?
So 7PM can't get here soon enough  
Fish : 4/15/2015 11:01 am : link
Im listening to RUSH on Pandora, feel like having a beer and tailgating...lol

Wonder if the Rangers tool bags will join us tonight on our game thread.
LOL  
Fish : 4/15/2015 11:02 am : link
Bruins GM got fired. Thanks for Boychuk. LMAO!!!

Anyone see Lucic say it was one of the toughest things to overcome losing Johnny Rocket.
one more post  
Fish : 4/15/2015 11:05 am : link
"By-Tor And The Snow Dog"

Tobes of Hades, lit by flickering torchlight
The netherworld is gathered in the glare
Prince By-Tor takes the cavern to the north light
The sign of Eth is rising in the air

By-Tor, knight of darkness
Centurion of evil, devil's prince

Across the River Styx, out of the lamplight
His nemesis is waiting at the gate
The Snow Dog, ermine glowing in the damp night
Coal-black eyes shimmering with hate

By-Tor and the Snow Dog
Square for battle, let the fray begin

The battle's over and the dust is clearing
Disciples of the Snow Dog sound the knell
Rejoicing echoes as the dawn is nearing
By-Tor, in defeat, retreats to Hell

Snow Dog is victorious
The land of the Overworld is saved again
RE: MiLB  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/15/2015 11:07 am : link
In comment 12233914 Fish said:
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And after watching Fort Neverlose last night. Listening to Bossy talk about him and Trottier saying they would just look over at one another and know what to do. How can any player get that chemistry if they are not sure who their line mates are?


Yep. Couldn't agree more. Again, the fact that John Tavares' heavy-hitting winger isn't set yet is really troubling. Go with Strome or Go with Okposo, but stop guessing on a nightly basis.

If he goes with Okposo, a proven player, and it doesn't work out.. that's on Kyle. Yes, many of us will bitch at Cappy too (not me) but the majority of the blame would fall on Okposo, and rightfully so.

But messing with the bread and butter of the team at this stage is not only outrageous, it's just truly disheartening. Could you imagine how good this team would be if Capuano knew what he was doing? I'd rather he'd put forth an actual plan and fail than hedge his bets all the way to a 1st round exist.

And shame Staple and co. for not putting more pressure on Capuano. His twitter bugs me sometimes when he makes jokes like "Gee, over/under on how many tweets I get complaining about the lineup tonight. I'm guessing 200." Well no shit people are upset. We are invested in the team and the coach is making decisions that defy ever reliable measurement of production.

The man has absolutely no understanding of sample size. If Okposo/Strome go into a 3 or 4 game funk during the regular season, the circus clown can't help himself from juggling. This has lead us to where we are... a pathetic point where it doesn't even matter what he does because no chemistry has been developed anyway.

I truly can't believe the organization supports him in any capacity. I feel bad for Tavares who likely has his opinions, but is apprehensive about doing anything that could potentially create a divide.
Look at what Capuano has done to  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/15/2015 11:14 am : link
what was one of, if not THE most dominant team in the NHL through the first 4 months. I honestly think our only hope at this point is the adrenaline of the playoffs overcomes the buffoon behind the bench.

Thats crazy  
Fish : 4/15/2015 11:16 am : link
Stats don't lie.
Its amazing  
KWhite2250 : 4/15/2015 11:18 am : link
The juggling of the lines this year. Before this year, one of the main criticisms of Cappy was that he NEVER changed the lines. Think of the losing streaks in nov, the lines always stayed the same. Most of the time the first switch up came in January.
His thinking  
Fish : 4/15/2015 11:21 am : link
must be that everyone should be prepared to play and be comfortable with everyone no matter what the lines are. Interchangable if you will.
That graph  
Metnut : 4/15/2015 11:22 am : link
is hard to look at. And I agree re: Capuono. It's one thing to bench CdH for a few games to send a message. It's another thing to bench him for a month when Hickey and Strait are looking horrible out there each night.

Because he's given so much time to Strait, we have no idea what our other options are. If someone gets hurt, and Hamonic isn't back, if Donovan going to be ready being in the press box all year? Reinart after not playing in the NHL for months.

The bottom line is that the pressure is on the coach here. The new owners aren't going to make thus huge investment in a team, see all of the talent here, and keep a coach who they have no ties to, unless the team is peforming.
RE: Thats crazy  
Mike in NY : 4/15/2015 11:22 am : link
In comment 12233965 Fish said:
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Stats don't lie.


It also coincides with Hickey wearing down and Strait playing everyday. As much as Hickey can be good in spurts, he does not have the size to hold up over an 82 game season
RE: His thinking  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/15/2015 11:26 am : link
In comment 12233979 Fish said:
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must be that everyone should be prepared to play and be comfortable with everyone no matter what the lines are. Interchangable if you will.


Yes, but that thinking is not in line with reality. You should be prepared to play with anyone, but you shouldn't be asked to play with everyone.
And sort of a side bar here  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/15/2015 11:29 am : link
I think this stuff has impacted the Penguins and is part of why they haven't done much damage in the playoffs in recent years. To pay Crosby with Malkin or not to pair them together? That is the question.

Regardless of your answer, you need to have one. I feel like that organization has gone literally years without figuring this out while lesser talented teams have developed chemistry and ended their seasons.
RE: So 7PM can't get here soon enough  
feelflows : 4/15/2015 11:32 am : link
In comment 12233922 Fish said:
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Im listening to RUSH on Pandora, feel like having a beer and tailgating...lol

Wonder if the Rangers tool bags will join us tonight on our game thread.


All that to we can do is wish them well.
metnut  
Fish : 4/15/2015 11:32 am : link
Griff is only here in emergency basis. If we need him then someone else went down. He is not cracking the lineup unless we get hit with another injury.
RE: metnut  
Metnut : 4/15/2015 11:34 am : link
In comment 12234016 Fish said:
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Griff is only here in emergency basis. If we need him then someone else went down. He is not cracking the lineup unless we get hit with another injury.


Understood. I'm just saying that it might've been better to get Griff another 5 games or so of NHL experience instead of giving Strait 25-30 games (or however many he played).
Avert your eyes, Metnut  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/15/2015 11:36 am : link
Brian Strait played in 52 games this year.
Sorry to be so negative  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/15/2015 11:41 am : link
I know today of all days isn't the day for it. I just really don't feel good about this team right now for one reason, and unfortunately there's nothing we can yabba dabba doo about it.
FYI (not sure if it was posted)...  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/15/2015 11:48 am : link
Grabner in tonight.
games on  
feelflows : 4/15/2015 11:51 am : link
USA network, right?
RE: games on  
Dave M : 4/15/2015 11:55 am : link
In comment 12234048 feelflows said:
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USA network, right?


It says USA and msg+ so I'm not sure if it's blacked out on USA.
RE: RE: games on  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/15/2015 11:59 am : link
In comment 12234059 Dave M said:
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In comment 12234048 feelflows said:


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USA network, right?



It says USA and msg+ so I'm not sure if it's blacked out on USA.


Yeah... I would say MSG+ in the NY Metro market and USA everywhere else, but I'm honestly not sure.
Funnily enough  
pganut : 4/15/2015 12:12 pm : link
I expected to feel some nerves, but am 100% calm today. Our team knows what they're capable of, and so do we. This is a 101 point team, not a tomato can. They can get this job done. As they said in the Fort Neverlose special, they just need to come out with the mindset of each guy knowing he can be the hero. Who wants it? I do!
Just heard this stat...  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/15/2015 12:42 pm : link
With Kennedy likely out tonight in favor of Grabner...

Johnny Boycuck is the only Islander in today's lineup with more postseason points than Martin Brodeur.
RE: And sort of a side bar here  
hudson : 4/15/2015 12:57 pm : link
In comment 12234001 Mike in Long Beach said:
Quote:
I think this stuff has impacted the Penguins and is part of why they haven't done much damage in the playoffs in recent years. To pay Crosby with Malkin or not to pair them together? That is the question.

Regardless of your answer, you need to have one. I feel like that organization has gone literally years without figuring this out while lesser talented teams have developed chemistry and ended their seasons.


The Pens problems have been:

-Bad coaching
-At times poor goaltending
-Lack of maturity/Bill Guerin type leader
-HORRIBLE FORWARD DRAFTING

It's not been paying Crosby and Malkin.
THe Hawks pay Toewes/Kane/Keith/Seabrook/Hossa/Sharp...but they also developed people (Saad).
Bad drafting.
I am definitely  
hudson : 4/15/2015 12:58 pm : link
Pro-Islanders this series....that's how much I hate Ovi/Caps/DC fans.
RE: I am definitely  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/15/2015 1:00 pm : link
In comment 12234158 hudson said:
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Pro-Islanders this series....that's how much I hate Ovi/Caps/DC fans.


Hudson... I had my thread deleted by the mods yesterday, likely for your benefit. So instead of getting into details.. my apologies for my comments to you. Just wanted to make sure that was heard by you.
And I agree with most of your points on the Pens  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/15/2015 1:06 pm : link
But I don't agree that my point doesn't hold water.
As the 200th post on this thread I would like to say  
Fish : 4/15/2015 2:26 pm : link
Who gives a fuck about the Yinz
RE: RE: I am definitely  
hudson : 4/15/2015 6:57 pm : link
In comment 12234163 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 12234158 hudson said:


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Pro-Islanders this series....that's how much I hate Ovi/Caps/DC fans.



Hudson... I had my thread deleted by the mods yesterday, likely for your benefit. So instead of getting into details.. my apologies for my comments to you. Just wanted to make sure that was heard by you.

Thanks, appreciate it. Did not go on BBI much yesterday so wasn't aware you made a new thread.
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