Not the way we wanted to get in but we are in. Hopefully the pressure will come off and they can start to play like they have nothing to lose. I really believe we can be dangerous in these playoffs. Glad it is over and they are in.
The fact that they were off on a night when another team lost and therefore could not catch the Islanders isn't backing in. Those early seasons wins count just as much as the late season ones.
What they need to worry about now is winning these last two games to go in with some confidence. Having three days to stew on that loss to Philly isn't ideal. Need to wash that away with wins tonight and tomorrow.
Backing in is the wrong term...Isles strong play for most of the year had them holding a playoff spot since the first game. If anything, you can say that they limp into the playoffs, but a good performance(s) in the last 2 can erase a lot of the handwringing (caused by none other than their own coach's lineup meddling and disrupting chemistry that had proven to work).
I don't give a rat's ass how we got in, although as others on BBI have pointed out that it's crazy that a team with 98-99 points will miss the playoffs. All you need is a dance ticket and we have ours. Now, anything can happen. Outside of MTL, who is in a lot of trouble now with Patches out, there isn't a higher seeded team they can't beat, as evidenced by the fact that the Isles took the season series from most of the East teams.
The fact that they were off on a night when another team lost and therefore could not catch the Islanders isn't backing in. Those early seasons wins count just as much as the late season ones.
What they need to worry about now is winning these last two games to go in with some confidence. Having three days to stew on that loss to Philly isn't ideal. Need to wash that away with wins tonight and tomorrow.
You are 100% backing in. Wins aside, the Isles are playing their worst hockey of the season during the most important stretch. 3-9 going into the playoffs isnt exactly going into the playoffs hot. And it took you until game 80 to clinch after being in first for a large portion of the season. That is backing in.
The fact that they were off on a night when another team lost and therefore could not catch the Islanders isn't backing in. Those early seasons wins count just as much as the late season ones.
What they need to worry about now is winning these last two games to go in with some confidence. Having three days to stew on that loss to Philly isn't ideal. Need to wash that away with wins tonight and tomorrow.
You are 100% backing in. Wins aside, the Isles are playing their worst hockey of the season during the most important stretch. 3-9 going into the playoffs isnt exactly going into the playoffs hot. And it took you until game 80 to clinch after being in first for a large portion of the season. That is backing in.
Sorry, like the person above said, I guess limping in would be a better term.
Any of you guys trying to paint it any differently are just trying to see unicorns and roses. The Islanders were woefully unimpressive since basically that 6-5 loss to the Rangers back in mid February and have not strung together a bunch of quality wins in quite some time.
Does that mean they have no chance of doing anything in the playoffs? No, not at all... but 1) I believe the Isles are a team that needs home ice to win a playoff round this year and 2) If they don't legitimately play better than they've been over the last handful of weeks, it might not even matter.
the Islanders in the playoffs. The previous 80 games and the next 2 games are meaningless because anything goes come playoff time. The Islanders have more points than the Rangers did last year, and the Rangers were able to ride a hot streak to the finals.
With Grabovski coming back, the Islanders are looking to be completely healthy soon for the first time in months. I think the Islanders will be a tossup with any team they can be matched up with in the first round, but I'd rather avoid TB. I think they are the best team in the East and everyone else is clustered together.
Is as meaningful as they come. A win guarantees a top 3 finish and to not play the best teams in the conf in round 1. And keeps them alive for home ice going into 2morrow. Some of your views on this collapse are on the level of capuano saying they played well enough to win the other night in philly.
throw the records away, forget about the way they have been playing. we have seen it on all different levels in the NHL. teams stumbling into the playoffs go on a run. hot teams are ousted in the 1st round. 8 seeds making it to the finals and winning it. 3-0 comebacks. if your in, your in. anything can happen
they have been losing games lately, but i don't think they have been playing poorly.
That's the beauty of the playoffs...it's like a huge etch-a-sketch where everything restarts fresh after you shake it out. Past stumbles as well as past heroics are forgotten and new outcomes rule the day.
The fact that they were off on a night when another team lost and therefore could not catch the Islanders isn't backing in. Those early seasons wins count just as much as the late season ones.
What they need to worry about now is winning these last two games to go in with some confidence. Having three days to stew on that loss to Philly isn't ideal. Need to wash that away with wins tonight and tomorrow.
You are 100% backing in. Wins aside, the Isles are playing their worst hockey of the season during the most important stretch. 3-9 going into the playoffs isnt exactly going into the playoffs hot. And it took you until game 80 to clinch after being in first for a large portion of the season. That is backing in.
You clearly don't know what 'backing in' means, but thanks for sharing your confused thoughts.
RE: This was the textboox definition of backing in.
Any of you guys trying to paint it any differently are just trying to see unicorns and roses. The Islanders were woefully unimpressive since basically that 6-5 loss to the Rangers back in mid February and have not strung together a bunch of quality wins in quite some time.
Does that mean they have no chance of doing anything in the playoffs? No, not at all... but 1) I believe the Isles are a team that needs home ice to win a playoff round this year and 2) If they don't legitimately play better than they've been over the last handful of weeks, it might not even matter.
So a team not playing well down the stretch is backing in? Not the way 99% of the world uses that term, but if it makes Rangers fans happy, enjoy!
And watching and almost depending on the Boston Florida game is textbook "backing in"
And if the Islanders win tonight or tomorrow then they would have have gotten in if both of those teams won, and won out for the rest of the season. But because the Islanders don't play until tonight, they backed in?
I guess I always believed backing in meant your season is done and you need other teams to lose to get you in. Apparently what it means is that teams that don't finish the season strong all backed in. Maybe wins in the last 10 games of the season should count for 3 points since they are more meaningful?
You learn something new on BBI everyday.
RE: RE: This was the textboox definition of backing in.
Any of you guys trying to paint it any differently are just trying to see unicorns and roses. The Islanders were woefully unimpressive since basically that 6-5 loss to the Rangers back in mid February and have not strung together a bunch of quality wins in quite some time.
Does that mean they have no chance of doing anything in the playoffs? No, not at all... but 1) I believe the Isles are a team that needs home ice to win a playoff round this year and 2) If they don't legitimately play better than they've been over the last handful of weeks, it might not even matter.
So a team not playing well down the stretch is backing in? Not the way 99% of the world uses that term, but if it makes Rangers fans happy, enjoy!
Looks like I struck a nerve.
Go ahead and tell me how many of the teams who will be in the playoffs this year have been worse than the Islanders over the last month+
You have a losing record since February 16th (9-10-5. You had the most wins in the entire league around the midway point and needed until game 80 to even clinch a playoff spot (via an assist from Florida)
I had no problem admitting how impressive the Isles were earlier in the year but they've been anything but for some time now.
And again, it doesn't mean they will get swept out of the first round. They're capable of playing better but it has been a while since they've done it consistently.
If you think they're good enough to make a Cup run this year, good for you. I personally don't see it.. but nothing wrong with being optimistic about your team.
So if we beat Pitt tonight is it still backing in?
Backing happens on the last day of the season when the team getting in didn't handle it's own business and other teams helped them out.
Not for one second did I think the Isles would fail to get 1 point over the next two games. What happend was the points they piled up all year left them ahead of all but 7 other teams with two games left.
You're a good guy and you know I like you. In fact, I agree with what you said:
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I had no problem admitting how impressive the Isles were earlier in the year but they've been anything but for some time now.
And again, it doesn't mean they will get swept out of the first round. They're capable of playing better but it has been a while since they've done it consistently.
But I think that your comment about striking a nerve is just off target slightly. I think you have a bunch of Isles fans on an Isles thread here relieved and excited about something that hasn't happened with any frequency for about 30 years and it can be interpreted that you're kind of pissing on the picnic blanket with some of your commentary. While it may be a short run...or maybe a long one in fact...this team has finally put itself in a position to contend for years to come, and we're just trying to enjoy that. It's the culmination of (for some) a lifetime of frustration.
how poorly they have handled everything since the allstar break. They didn't seem to adjust the style of play to all the injuries. There is no consideration that the fourth line with 2 AHL players on it is not the Martin-Cisikas-Clutterbuck line and should not be used like that line. The resting of players as if everything is wrapped up for two months. Brian Strait becoming a mainstay in the lineup. Really reflects poorly on Capuano or Snow or whoever has been calling these shots.
in what universe is 100 points considered backing in?
It's almost the same crap put forth about our two runs..We weren't 10-6 in '07, we were 14-6..THAT was our season long body of work, no matter how we ended up there..
We weren't 9-7 in '11, we were 13-7(.650 ball)..THAT was our season long body of work..
I am obvioulsly obsessed with this team and don't give a fuck how they got in, but how is this even up for debate?
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Big Blue '56 : 10:03 am : link : reply
in what universe is 100 points considered backing in?p
1) 100 points is not what it used to be with the SO and we should stop pretending it is.
2) The point total has NOTHING to do with whether or not a team backed in. What matters is what they did down the home stretch and if they were in jeopardy when they shouldn't have been. The Islanders fit the bill on both of those. The only thing that would make it more definitive would be if they actually NEEDED other teams to lose (which still might be the case).
It also hurts the cause for "backing in" that it didn't last until the final game of the season, but if you look at the body of work over the last 6 weeks and the position the Islanders and fans found themselves in until about 10pm last night, you can't say on any level that they went out and took what's theirs. They relied heavily on previous success.
LOL, enjoy it all you can. I didn't say not to. I don't think my stance is at all unreasonable though. You've all watched this team all year long and I know not one of you would agree that it's the same team now as it was a few months ago.
Doesn't mean that can't turn around. It's just an observation. I realize fans don't like to hear bad things about their team.
I think experience in this league is paramount. Knowing how to navigate the playoffs and deal with adversity is a big deal and the Islanders are a team with a lot of guys who don't have that experience yet.
Your window is just opening now so obviously you guys have a lot to look forward to. I just wouldn't put too much stock in this particular year. Winning a round would be a big accomplishment and a successful season.
LOL, enjoy it all you can. I didn't say not to. I don't think my stance is at all unreasonable though. You've all watched this team all year long and I know not one of you would agree that it's the same team now as it was a few months ago.
Doesn't mean that can't turn around. It's just an observation. I realize fans don't like to hear bad things about their team.
I think experience in this league is paramount. Knowing how to navigate the playoffs and deal with adversity is a big deal and the Islanders are a team with a lot of guys who don't have that experience yet.
Your window is just opening now so obviously you guys have a lot to look forward to. I just wouldn't put too much stock in this particular year. Winning a round would be a big accomplishment and a successful season.
I agree with most of this but as I've said numerous times before, I think the lack of experience angle is really overstated and borderline inaccurate.
G: Halak: Single-handedly carried a Montrael team to the Eastern Conference Finals when they had no business being there.
Defense: Our top two defenseman are Stanley Cup winners. One was considered a leader on his cup team, the other a big contributor. Viznozky is 38 years old. Hamonic is hitting his prime and has seen the postseason before. Hickey and de Haan are raw, but both have been to the playoffs.
Those are most important units to have playoff experience and I'd actually say with Leddy, Boychuck, Viznozky and Halak, we are actually very experienced in that regard.
The offense, yes, has never really gone deep, but about 3/4s of the team got a taste of the postseason 2 years ago. It has to start somewhere for all good teams.
I worry about our blubbering idiot of a coach. I don't worry about our experience.
I liked the Halak signing at the time for you guys, but I think the guy is a below average goaltender. That was five years and three teams ago, IIRC.
I still think the Islanders need to upgrade the position, along with adding an elite winger and one or two superior defenders (these things may be in your system for all I know).
I liked the Halak signing at the time for you guys, but I think the guy is a below average goaltender. That was five years and three teams ago, IIRC.
I still think the Islanders need to upgrade the position, along with adding an elite winger and one or two superior defenders (these things may be in your system for all I know).
First off, I know he's been very mediocre lately, but the man was a damn All-Star this season. He is a reigning NHL All Star. He is not below average, but not elite either. He is a somewhere between a B and a B+ goalie. Below average is almost outrageous.
Secondly, the fact that you note the playoff run he had was 5 years ago actually supports the point I was trying to make to arc, which was that he is experienced. That was the whole point of the argument/discussion. No, it has no bearing on his play this year.. but his play this year earned him an All Star birth and a solid overall season.
Some puckhandling mishaps that turned into goals (3-4 that are quite vivid) and the incredible lack of focus on that Schenn prayer are the biggest mistakes.
He has a sv pctg of .922 over the past 20 games, so while the Isles' slide was there, his play wasn't the issue at all.
For the year, NHL average is .914 sv pctg and 2.52 GAA. Halak currently sits at .913 and 2.44. Essentially league average...but remember this: even "average" goaltending in the 2013 playoffs likely carries the Isles past PIT. I have the feeling that Halak plays north of average in the playoffs as the team will tighten up their D if they want to advance.
On another note, anyone want to take a stab at the over/under for PIT PPs tonight? You know the league desperately wants to make sure the Crying Marios get into the playoffs. Be prepared to shake your head often tonight.
I liked the Halak signing at the time for you guys, but I think the guy is a below average goaltender. That was five years and three teams ago, IIRC.
I still think the Islanders need to upgrade the position, along with adding an elite winger and one or two superior defenders (these things may be in your system for all I know).
First off, I know he's been very mediocre lately, but the man was a damn All-Star this season. He is a reigning NHL All Star. He is not below average, but not elite either. He is a somewhere between a B and a B+ goalie. Below average is almost outrageous.
Secondly, the fact that you note the playoff run he had was 5 years ago actually supports the point I was trying to make to arc, which was that he is experienced. That was the whole point of the argument/discussion. No, it has no bearing on his play this year.. but his play this year earned him an All Star birth and a solid overall season.
All you say is true Mike but I do not trust him. He's the best we got but I do not trust him at all. All year I have said that if the Islanders fail in the playoffs it's going to be because of Halak. He's just too inconsistent, and not from game to game either. It's almost from shot to shot.
Crush the Yinz tomorrow and go for home ice!!!
What they need to worry about now is winning these last two games to go in with some confidence. Having three days to stew on that loss to Philly isn't ideal. Need to wash that away with wins tonight and tomorrow.
I don't give a rat's ass how we got in, although as others on BBI have pointed out that it's crazy that a team with 98-99 points will miss the playoffs. All you need is a dance ticket and we have ours. Now, anything can happen. Outside of MTL, who is in a lot of trouble now with Patches out, there isn't a higher seeded team they can't beat, as evidenced by the fact that the Isles took the season series from most of the East teams.
It's up to Halak. If he's great or even very good, we can do some damage.
LGI
What they need to worry about now is winning these last two games to go in with some confidence. Having three days to stew on that loss to Philly isn't ideal. Need to wash that away with wins tonight and tomorrow.
You are 100% backing in. Wins aside, the Isles are playing their worst hockey of the season during the most important stretch. 3-9 going into the playoffs isnt exactly going into the playoffs hot. And it took you until game 80 to clinch after being in first for a large portion of the season. That is backing in.
WE ARE IN!!!!! Anything can happen as Giants fans should know.
Let's dance bitches!!!!!
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The fact that they were off on a night when another team lost and therefore could not catch the Islanders isn't backing in. Those early seasons wins count just as much as the late season ones.
What they need to worry about now is winning these last two games to go in with some confidence. Having three days to stew on that loss to Philly isn't ideal. Need to wash that away with wins tonight and tomorrow.
You are 100% backing in. Wins aside, the Isles are playing their worst hockey of the season during the most important stretch. 3-9 going into the playoffs isnt exactly going into the playoffs hot. And it took you until game 80 to clinch after being in first for a large portion of the season. That is backing in.
Sorry, like the person above said, I guess limping in would be a better term.
Does that mean they have no chance of doing anything in the playoffs? No, not at all... but 1) I believe the Isles are a team that needs home ice to win a playoff round this year and 2) If they don't legitimately play better than they've been over the last handful of weeks, it might not even matter.
With Grabovski coming back, the Islanders are looking to be completely healthy soon for the first time in months. I think the Islanders will be a tossup with any team they can be matched up with in the first round, but I'd rather avoid TB. I think they are the best team in the East and everyone else is clustered together.
they have been losing games lately, but i don't think they have been playing poorly.
That's the beauty of the playoffs...it's like a huge etch-a-sketch where everything restarts fresh after you shake it out. Past stumbles as well as past heroics are forgotten and new outcomes rule the day.
No need to prognosticate, just enjoy it.
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The fact that they were off on a night when another team lost and therefore could not catch the Islanders isn't backing in. Those early seasons wins count just as much as the late season ones.
What they need to worry about now is winning these last two games to go in with some confidence. Having three days to stew on that loss to Philly isn't ideal. Need to wash that away with wins tonight and tomorrow.
You are 100% backing in. Wins aside, the Isles are playing their worst hockey of the season during the most important stretch. 3-9 going into the playoffs isnt exactly going into the playoffs hot. And it took you until game 80 to clinch after being in first for a large portion of the season. That is backing in.
You clearly don't know what 'backing in' means, but thanks for sharing your confused thoughts.
Does that mean they have no chance of doing anything in the playoffs? No, not at all... but 1) I believe the Isles are a team that needs home ice to win a playoff round this year and 2) If they don't legitimately play better than they've been over the last handful of weeks, it might not even matter.
So a team not playing well down the stretch is backing in? Not the way 99% of the world uses that term, but if it makes Rangers fans happy, enjoy!
Me too.
And if the Islanders win tonight or tomorrow then they would have have gotten in if both of those teams won, and won out for the rest of the season. But because the Islanders don't play until tonight, they backed in?
I guess I always believed backing in meant your season is done and you need other teams to lose to get you in. Apparently what it means is that teams that don't finish the season strong all backed in. Maybe wins in the last 10 games of the season should count for 3 points since they are more meaningful?
You learn something new on BBI everyday.
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Any of you guys trying to paint it any differently are just trying to see unicorns and roses. The Islanders were woefully unimpressive since basically that 6-5 loss to the Rangers back in mid February and have not strung together a bunch of quality wins in quite some time.
Does that mean they have no chance of doing anything in the playoffs? No, not at all... but 1) I believe the Isles are a team that needs home ice to win a playoff round this year and 2) If they don't legitimately play better than they've been over the last handful of weeks, it might not even matter.
So a team not playing well down the stretch is backing in? Not the way 99% of the world uses that term, but if it makes Rangers fans happy, enjoy!
Looks like I struck a nerve.
Go ahead and tell me how many of the teams who will be in the playoffs this year have been worse than the Islanders over the last month+
You have a losing record since February 16th (9-10-5. You had the most wins in the entire league around the midway point and needed until game 80 to even clinch a playoff spot (via an assist from Florida)
I had no problem admitting how impressive the Isles were earlier in the year but they've been anything but for some time now.
And again, it doesn't mean they will get swept out of the first round. They're capable of playing better but it has been a while since they've done it consistently.
If you think they're good enough to make a Cup run this year, good for you. I personally don't see it.. but nothing wrong with being optimistic about your team.
Not for one second did I think the Isles would fail to get 1 point over the next two games. What happend was the points they piled up all year left them ahead of all but 7 other teams with two games left.
They have sucked lately but they did not back in.
And again, it doesn't mean they will get swept out of the first round. They're capable of playing better but it has been a while since they've done it consistently.
At least the penalty kill got better.
It's almost the same crap put forth about our two runs..We weren't 10-6 in '07, we were 14-6..THAT was our season long body of work, no matter how we ended up there..
We weren't 9-7 in '11, we were 13-7(.650 ball)..THAT was our season long body of work..
Lightning in a bottle twice, my ass..
Big Blue '56 : 10:03 am : link : reply
in what universe is 100 points considered backing in?p
1) 100 points is not what it used to be with the SO and we should stop pretending it is.
2) The point total has NOTHING to do with whether or not a team backed in. What matters is what they did down the home stretch and if they were in jeopardy when they shouldn't have been. The Islanders fit the bill on both of those. The only thing that would make it more definitive would be if they actually NEEDED other teams to lose (which still might be the case).
It also hurts the cause for "backing in" that it didn't last until the final game of the season, but if you look at the body of work over the last 6 weeks and the position the Islanders and fans found themselves in until about 10pm last night, you can't say on any level that they went out and took what's theirs. They relied heavily on previous success.
Doesn't mean that can't turn around. It's just an observation. I realize fans don't like to hear bad things about their team.
I think experience in this league is paramount. Knowing how to navigate the playoffs and deal with adversity is a big deal and the Islanders are a team with a lot of guys who don't have that experience yet.
Your window is just opening now so obviously you guys have a lot to look forward to. I just wouldn't put too much stock in this particular year. Winning a round would be a big accomplishment and a successful season.
Hadn't looked at the standings all that closely..Saw some say 100..My point stands even if they wind up with 98
But because I am theceternal optimist, I think at least 2 points get earned between tonight/tomorrow to hit the century mark.
Doesn't mean that can't turn around. It's just an observation. I realize fans don't like to hear bad things about their team.
I think experience in this league is paramount. Knowing how to navigate the playoffs and deal with adversity is a big deal and the Islanders are a team with a lot of guys who don't have that experience yet.
Your window is just opening now so obviously you guys have a lot to look forward to. I just wouldn't put too much stock in this particular year. Winning a round would be a big accomplishment and a successful season.
I agree with most of this but as I've said numerous times before, I think the lack of experience angle is really overstated and borderline inaccurate.
G: Halak: Single-handedly carried a Montrael team to the Eastern Conference Finals when they had no business being there.
Defense: Our top two defenseman are Stanley Cup winners. One was considered a leader on his cup team, the other a big contributor. Viznozky is 38 years old. Hamonic is hitting his prime and has seen the postseason before. Hickey and de Haan are raw, but both have been to the playoffs.
Those are most important units to have playoff experience and I'd actually say with Leddy, Boychuck, Viznozky and Halak, we are actually very experienced in that regard.
The offense, yes, has never really gone deep, but about 3/4s of the team got a taste of the postseason 2 years ago. It has to start somewhere for all good teams.
I worry about our blubbering idiot of a coach. I don't worry about our experience.
It's up to Halak. If he's great or even very good, we can do some damage.
LGI
pga, i saw this first
But a Rangers fan? Is your degree from JC Duvalier's med school? ;-)
I liked the Halak signing at the time for you guys, but I think the guy is a below average goaltender. That was five years and three teams ago, IIRC.
I still think the Islanders need to upgrade the position, along with adding an elite winger and one or two superior defenders (these things may be in your system for all I know).
But a Rangers fan? Is your degree from JC Duvalier's med school? ;-)
No eyes, just bones, tendons and ligaments..:)
I liked the Halak signing at the time for you guys, but I think the guy is a below average goaltender. That was five years and three teams ago, IIRC.
I still think the Islanders need to upgrade the position, along with adding an elite winger and one or two superior defenders (these things may be in your system for all I know).
First off, I know he's been very mediocre lately, but the man was a damn All-Star this season. He is a reigning NHL All Star. He is not below average, but not elite either. He is a somewhere between a B and a B+ goalie. Below average is almost outrageous.
Secondly, the fact that you note the playoff run he had was 5 years ago actually supports the point I was trying to make to arc, which was that he is experienced. That was the whole point of the argument/discussion. No, it has no bearing on his play this year.. but his play this year earned him an All Star birth and a solid overall season.
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He has a sv pctg of .922 over the past 20 games, so while the Isles' slide was there, his play wasn't the issue at all.
For the year, NHL average is .914 sv pctg and 2.52 GAA. Halak currently sits at .913 and 2.44. Essentially league average...but remember this: even "average" goaltending in the 2013 playoffs likely carries the Isles past PIT. I have the feeling that Halak plays north of average in the playoffs as the team will tighten up their D if they want to advance.
On another note, anyone want to take a stab at the over/under for PIT PPs tonight? You know the league desperately wants to make sure the Crying Marios get into the playoffs. Be prepared to shake your head often tonight.
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I liked the Halak signing at the time for you guys, but I think the guy is a below average goaltender. That was five years and three teams ago, IIRC.
I still think the Islanders need to upgrade the position, along with adding an elite winger and one or two superior defenders (these things may be in your system for all I know).
First off, I know he's been very mediocre lately, but the man was a damn All-Star this season. He is a reigning NHL All Star. He is not below average, but not elite either. He is a somewhere between a B and a B+ goalie. Below average is almost outrageous.
Secondly, the fact that you note the playoff run he had was 5 years ago actually supports the point I was trying to make to arc, which was that he is experienced. That was the whole point of the argument/discussion. No, it has no bearing on his play this year.. but his play this year earned him an All Star birth and a solid overall season.
All you say is true Mike but I do not trust him. He's the best we got but I do not trust him at all. All year I have said that if the Islanders fail in the playoffs it's going to be because of Halak. He's just too inconsistent, and not from game to game either. It's almost from shot to shot.
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Also add in any rags fans in area who may want to hang.... Assuming not Rangers game that night.