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The 12th Man : 4/9/2015 10:35 pm
Not the way we wanted to get in but we are in. Hopefully the pressure will come off and they can start to play like they have nothing to lose. I really believe we can be dangerous in these playoffs. Glad it is over and they are in.
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The Isles  
KWhite2250 : 4/10/2015 10:48 am : link
Seem cursed when it comes to finding a goalie. Osgood and Snow were the last real good goalies for us. Others that were good put on that jersey and become worse it seems...hextall, nabby, dp, halak, neuvirth
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arcarsenal : 4/10/2015 10:49 am : link
Halak and Cam Ward have roughly the same GAA and sv% numbers this year, FWIW..
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Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 10:52 am : link
In comment 12226883 arcarsenal said:
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Halak and Cam Ward have roughly the same GAA and sv% numbers this year, FWIW..


arc, its worth something, but not much. To my chagrin, the Islanders don't play a style that supports gaudy goal tending numbers. Even with that, through 2/3s of the season he still managed to have "All Star Worthy" numbers. Those numbers have dropped, but that's mostly due to the team as a whole shitting the bed down the stretch.

He's made plenty of big saves. We've seen what this team does to goalies. You guys loved your LOLNabby commentary, but Nabokov was a hell of a goalie for a long time. He came here and was solid when we were solid, and an absolute nightmare otherwise. Part of it was his age, but a lot of it was the team in front of him.

DK said it best.. if the Islanders are going to make any noise in the playoffs, they need Halak to bring his A game. He can't be a B goalie anymore. He needs a run like he had 5 years ago. It's not likely, but it's something he's proven he can do.
Mike  
KWhite2250 : 4/10/2015 10:54 am : link
Halak was like the 6th choice for the all star game. He wasnt originally on the team. Price, howard and luongo were. Henrik turned it down after an injury and i believe another guy too before Halak was put on the team. He hasnt been good but because nabby and poulin were so bad before, he looks much better.
Mike  
Mike in NY : 4/10/2015 10:54 am : link
I tried e-mailing you at the e-mail address you put in this thread from my Gmail account and it bounced back
OOF SORRY!!!  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 10:55 am : link
I'm a dumbass.

NYCIslandersFanS@gmail.com

I forgot the S.
RE: Mike  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 10:56 am : link
In comment 12226892 KWhite2250 said:
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Halak was like the 6th choice for the all star game. He wasnt originally on the team. Price, howard and luongo were. Henrik turned it down after an injury and i believe another guy too before Halak was put on the team. He hasnt been good but because nabby and poulin were so bad before, he looks much better.


Yep. All Star selections without people backing out are reserved for the NHL elite, which Halak certainly is not. He is on that level just below, which was validated in my eyes by his replacement selection.
RE: Mike  
EricNY33 : 4/10/2015 10:57 am : link
In comment 12226892 KWhite2250 said:
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Halak was like the 6th choice for the all star game. He wasnt originally on the team. Price, howard and luongo were. Henrik turned it down after an injury and i believe another guy too before Halak was put on the team. He hasnt been good but because nabby and poulin were so bad before, he looks much better.


He's had stretches where he's been very good. Let's not say he hasn't been any good. It just seems with him it goes to extremes. His highs are pretty high and his lows are very low.
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BrettNYG10 : 4/10/2015 11:01 am : link
In comment 12226852 Mike in Long Beach said:
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I liked the Halak signing at the time for you guys, but I think the guy is a below average goaltender. That was five years and three teams ago, IIRC.

I still think the Islanders need to upgrade the position, along with adding an elite winger and one or two superior defenders (these things may be in your system for all I know).




First off, I know he's been very mediocre lately, but the man was a damn All-Star this season. He is a reigning NHL All Star. He is not below average, but not elite either. He is a somewhere between a B and a B+ goalie. Below average is almost outrageous.

Secondly, the fact that you note the playoff run he had was 5 years ago actually supports the point I was trying to make to arc, which was that he is experienced. That was the whole point of the argument/discussion. No, it has no bearing on his play this year.. but his play this year earned him an All Star birth and a solid overall season.


He was an All-Star because a handful of goalies backed out and his numbers were okay at that point.

Of the 42 goalies who've played 27 or more games, he's tied for 26th.

If you guys had Corey Schneider, you'd have run away with the division.
I can remember  
KWhite2250 : 4/10/2015 11:04 am : link
The rangers game he stood on his head and then he was ok. Last week or 2 weeks ago he had 3 games where he finally was the goalie we had hoped for. He stood on his head and they still lost those games. Then he followed it up with 2 not so good games.

I was a huge supporter of this pickup and I used the same argument as Mike is now when MAB and I went back and forth about Halak being untested in playoffs. But as the season has gone on, he has not been impressive. I will give him a pass this year because any night 3 of the 6 dmen are midgets who just do not help the guy out in front of his crease. Just think how bad this D could've been had Leddy and Boychuk not been picked up.

I know its not nice to do but I am also praying for a strait injury. The curse of Strait needs to be taken off the team somehow!!!
All I want  
EricNY33 : 4/10/2015 11:05 am : link
is an Islanders-Rangers playoff series. Whatever happens happens, but I want that match-up because of what it will do for sports in this town.
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arcarsenal : 4/10/2015 11:07 am : link
Potential/definite East playoff goalies...

Price
Lundqvist
Bishop
Halak
Fleury
Rask
Howard/Mrazek
Holtby
Hammond

Where do you put Halak in that group?

I would say Price, Lundqvist and Rask are certainly above him. Holtby has been better than Halak this year. Bishop and Fleury are probably in the same ballpark. Hammond has played far less games so where you put him is debatable.
RE: I can remember  
EricNY33 : 4/10/2015 11:08 am : link
In comment 12226915 KWhite2250 said:
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The rangers game he stood on his head and then he was ok. Last week or 2 weeks ago he had 3 games where he finally was the goalie we had hoped for. He stood on his head and they still lost those games. Then he followed it up with 2 not so good games.

I was a huge supporter of this pickup and I used the same argument as Mike is now when MAB and I went back and forth about Halak being untested in playoffs. But as the season has gone on, he has not been impressive. I will give him a pass this year because any night 3 of the 6 dmen are midgets who just do not help the guy out in front of his crease. Just think how bad this D could've been had Leddy and Boychuk not been picked up.

I know its not nice to do but I am also praying for a strait injury. The curse of Strait needs to be taken off the team somehow!!!


This is kinda what I mean. Before Tuesday night he was actually playing pretty well, and then he has a game like that and gives up a goal that a junior hockey goalie would easily stop.
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EricNY33 : 4/10/2015 11:09 am : link
In comment 12226920 arcarsenal said:
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Potential/definite East playoff goalies...

Price
Lundqvist
Bishop
Halak
Fleury
Rask
Howard/Mrazek
Holtby
Hammond

Where do you put Halak in that group?

I would say Price, Lundqvist and Rask are certainly above him. Holtby has been better than Halak this year. Bishop and Fleury are probably in the same ballpark. Hammond has played far less games so where you put him is debatable.


Arc I'd agree with your assessment. He's probably on the same level as Bishop and Fleury.
KW  
pganut : 4/10/2015 11:12 am : link
Very valid points. Halak's play, on an individual level, has been solid. However, when being under siege - as amplified during the slide - due to walking turnover machines like Strait, or unoptimized defensive pairings as ridiculously "masterminded" by a coach that coaches with his gut, Halak has had to endure extended zone pressure and a season of failed clears...doesn't matter who the goalie is, he's gonna give up goals. To Halak's credit, his shakiest stretch was early (despite a winning record) when he gave up goal after goal high stick side. He brought his coach in and fixed it. As noted, there have been more than a couple of games post-ASB where he absolutely bailed us out by making incredible saves. I am hopeful, and expect, his experience to be a key to advancing now.
Pretty much agree with you.  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 11:14 am : link
My order would be:
1) Price
2) Lundqvist
3) Rask
4) Holtby
5) Bishop
6) Halak
7) Fleury
8) Hammond (though he could be anywhere on this list)
9) Howard/Mrazek (too much indecision here)

The thing is, IMO, you could make the argument Halak is as high as 4 or as low as 8. He's absolutely on par with Holtby and Bishop, but as I mentioned, the Islanders don't play well in front of him, especially lately, and that has greatly impacted his statistics.

Put it this way. Halak is 5th in the entire NHL in wins. 4th in the Eastern Conference. In his case specifically, I think the win total says a lot more than his GAA.
Halak's always been extremely inconsistent  
Greg from LI : 4/10/2015 11:15 am : link
It's why he's bounced around.
RE: RE: RE: This was the textboox definition of backing in.  
Mike from Ohio : 4/10/2015 11:16 am : link
In comment 12226709 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 12226591 arcarsenal said:


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Any of you guys trying to paint it any differently are just trying to see unicorns and roses. The Islanders were woefully unimpressive since basically that 6-5 loss to the Rangers back in mid February and have not strung together a bunch of quality wins in quite some time.

Does that mean they have no chance of doing anything in the playoffs? No, not at all... but 1) I believe the Isles are a team that needs home ice to win a playoff round this year and 2) If they don't legitimately play better than they've been over the last handful of weeks, it might not even matter.



So a team not playing well down the stretch is backing in? Not the way 99% of the world uses that term, but if it makes Rangers fans happy, enjoy!



Looks like I struck a nerve.

Go ahead and tell me how many of the teams who will be in the playoffs this year have been worse than the Islanders over the last month+

You have a losing record since February 16th (9-10-5. You had the most wins in the entire league around the midway point and needed until game 80 to even clinch a playoff spot (via an assist from Florida)

I had no problem admitting how impressive the Isles were earlier in the year but they've been anything but for some time now.

And again, it doesn't mean they will get swept out of the first round. They're capable of playing better but it has been a while since they've done it consistently.

If you think they're good enough to make a Cup run this year, good for you. I personally don't see it.. but nothing wrong with being optimistic about your team.


Didn't strike a nerve at all, I was explaining to you why I think you are using the term incorrectly. The fact that you are a Ranger fan misusing it on an Islander thread only makes it more unusual. But call it what you will.

I am not sure why you would suggest that saying "they didn't back in" is synonymous with "they are playing really well now" but let me clarify. No, I don't believe the Islanders are playing well now, and I am aware of their record over that stretch as there were only 3 games I did not watch buzzer to buzzer all year.

I don't think the Islanders are winning the cup this year. I said so back when they were in first place in the division, and did so on this board. They are talented but inexperienced, and those teams usually don't go all the way.

If you want to stir shit, feel free to do so, but please stop constructing straw men to knock down to do so.
Frans made the trip  
KWhite2250 : 4/10/2015 11:17 am : link
But Matt Martin did not. Also Jiggs will be doing the game, maybe he can regain the magic he brought to us the last few years.
Hey we're in  
Dave M : 4/10/2015 11:20 am : link
Halak was one of the top contributors to the Islanders being a playoff team. He carried the Islanders against the leagues elite including 3 great games against the President trophy winners. I think he did get worn out because of the workload and it showed. After they traded for Neuvirth he got some rest and I think he's looked better the last couple weeks(Tuesdays goal aside). It would be great to knock the penguins out of the playoffs so I hope the A game is brought tonight.

Seriously though, he's actually going to sit out a valuable player to dress Strait in the playoffs. It is unfathomable that he's going to do that. Also, we've seen enough of pig nose to know why he shouldn't play. Dress Grabs idiot!
RE: RE: RE: RE: This was the textboox definition of backing in.  
arcarsenal : 4/10/2015 11:25 am : link
In comment 12226940 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 12226657 Mike from Ohio said:


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In comment 12226591 arcarsenal said:


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Any of you guys trying to paint it any differently are just trying to see unicorns and roses. The Islanders were woefully unimpressive since basically that 6-5 loss to the Rangers back in mid February and have not strung together a bunch of quality wins in quite some time.

Does that mean they have no chance of doing anything in the playoffs? No, not at all... but 1) I believe the Isles are a team that needs home ice to win a playoff round this year and 2) If they don't legitimately play better than they've been over the last handful of weeks, it might not even matter.



So a team not playing well down the stretch is backing in? Not the way 99% of the world uses that term, but if it makes Rangers fans happy, enjoy!



Looks like I struck a nerve.

Go ahead and tell me how many of the teams who will be in the playoffs this year have been worse than the Islanders over the last month+

You have a losing record since February 16th (9-10-5. You had the most wins in the entire league around the midway point and needed until game 80 to even clinch a playoff spot (via an assist from Florida)

I had no problem admitting how impressive the Isles were earlier in the year but they've been anything but for some time now.

And again, it doesn't mean they will get swept out of the first round. They're capable of playing better but it has been a while since they've done it consistently.

If you think they're good enough to make a Cup run this year, good for you. I personally don't see it.. but nothing wrong with being optimistic about your team.



Didn't strike a nerve at all, I was explaining to you why I think you are using the term incorrectly. The fact that you are a Ranger fan misusing it on an Islander thread only makes it more unusual. But call it what you will.

I am not sure why you would suggest that saying "they didn't back in" is synonymous with "they are playing really well now" but let me clarify. No, I don't believe the Islanders are playing well now, and I am aware of their record over that stretch as there were only 3 games I did not watch buzzer to buzzer all year.

I don't think the Islanders are winning the cup this year. I said so back when they were in first place in the division, and did so on this board. They are talented but inexperienced, and those teams usually don't go all the way.

If you want to stir shit, feel free to do so, but please stop constructing straw men to knock down to do so.


I'm not sure where I was "stirring shit", I think you and I just have different interpretations of what backing into the playoffs means.

Simply put, I think when a team is playing poorly down the stretch or below the level they had been for most of year and has to start scoreboard watching a bit to clinch a spot, they're more or less backing in. I'm aware you could have just clinched on your own but considering that it took until game 80 to clinch when you were leading the entire league in wins not too long ago tells me you're stumbling across the finish line. Will it matter once the playoffs start? Probably not. I don't know.

Semantics, really. Call it whatever you want. My being a Rangers fan doesn't make a difference. I'd say the same thing about them if the roles were reversed.
RE: All I want  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 11:27 am : link
In comment 12226917 EricNY33 said:
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is an Islanders-Rangers playoff series. Whatever happens happens, but I want that match-up because of what it will do for sports in this town.


1 Islanders ROW guarantees that the teams will meet in the 2nd round if they win their respective 1st round series.

Would a whole take a lot to get the Rangers in the first round:
Isles lose last 2
Sens win last game
Pitt gets 3/4 remaining possible points
Detroit gets at least a point in their last game

And there are too many scenarios (all unlikely) for me to even figure out right now to get the Rangers in the ECF, meaning we'd fall to 7 specifically. If someone else wants to take a stab at that, please do ha
RE: This was the textboox definition of backing in.  
Mike from Ohio : 4/10/2015 11:34 am : link
In comment 12226970 arcarsenal said:
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Simply put, I think when a team is playing poorly down the stretch or below the level they had been for most of year and has to start scoreboard watching a bit to clinch a spot, they're more or less backing in.


This is where we differ. I don't see playing really well for half a year, and then falling off but still controlling your own destiny is backing in. If you do, we will agree to disagree. But I think you can see how coming on an Islander thread celebrating them making the playoffs to stay they backed in is might be construed by some as shit stirring, no?

Either way, as we can all agree the standings reset next week and it is wide open after that. Would love to get a first round win and go against the Rangers in round 2 - regardless of outcome. As you mentioned this is the first step in a building process. I would feel much differently about that step if they win a playoff series. The confidence gleaned from that may be what they need to regain their earlier season form, and then anything is possible.
Btw  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 11:35 am : link
I tip of the cap to the Red Wings organization, extending their professional sports record of 24 straight playoff appearances. Unreal.
Oh for fucks sake  
KWhite2250 : 4/10/2015 11:59 am : link
Strait is still playing. Is de haan hurt? This is becoming beyond frustrating with this guy. Frans and Martin still out. Clutterbuck back and cmac out.
Strait must  
EricNY33 : 4/10/2015 12:04 pm : link
have incriminating photos or information on Capuano. I can't understand why this guy sees any ice time.
It's comical  
Lithium : 4/10/2015 12:12 pm : link
now that deHaan continues to sit in favor of both Hickey and Strait. Every outlet I have read states Fred needs to stop the insanity and sit Strait. This guy, at best a 7th dman, is going to play close to 60 games this year. It's disgraceful.
I said this months ago  
hudson : 4/10/2015 12:16 pm : link
That Halak wouldn't hold up.
That's been his history, and why he is on his 4th team.

He is a very good goalie for stretches, but simply is not durable enough to handle a full 60+ game workload without significant dropoff.

A 1A goalie if there ever was one.
RE: I said this months ago  
Dave M : 4/10/2015 12:26 pm : link
In comment 12227081 hudson said:
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That Halak wouldn't hold up.
That's been his history, and why he is on his 4th team.

He is a very good goalie for stretches, but simply is not durable enough to handle a full 60+ game workload without significant dropoff.

A 1A goalie if there ever was one.



He's going to be fine. He'll put a big nail in your teams coffin tonight.
RE: RE: I said this months ago  
hudson : 4/10/2015 12:38 pm : link
In comment 12227102 Dave M said:
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In comment 12227081 hudson said:


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That Halak wouldn't hold up.
That's been his history, and why he is on his 4th team.

He is a very good goalie for stretches, but simply is not durable enough to handle a full 60+ game workload without significant dropoff.

A 1A goalie if there ever was one.




He's going to be fine. He'll put a big nail in your teams coffin tonight.

How's that division banner coming along.....
Winning the division  
Metnut : 4/10/2015 12:42 pm : link
sure proved important in last year's playoffs.
RE: RE: RE: I said this months ago  
Mike in NY : 4/10/2015 12:44 pm : link
In comment 12227136 hudson said:
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In comment 12227102 Dave M said:


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In comment 12227081 hudson said:


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That Halak wouldn't hold up.
That's been his history, and why he is on his 4th team.

He is a very good goalie for stretches, but simply is not durable enough to handle a full 60+ game workload without significant dropoff.

A 1A goalie if there ever was one.




He's going to be fine. He'll put a big nail in your teams coffin tonight.


How's that division banner coming along.....


That division banner is not coming along well for your Penguins. Wait, you are still a Penguins fan? With you flip flopping more than a former candidate for President I really cannot tell anymore
The last  
Fish : 4/10/2015 1:18 pm : link
2 posts suck.
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arcarsenal : 4/10/2015 1:29 pm : link
Nothing will ever suck as hard as you, Fish.
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Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 2:10 pm : link
In comment 12227194 arcarsenal said:
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Jeez, man.. not a hudson fan but if he really does have Aspergers and you're taunting him about it that's a pretty bad look.

He deserves like 90% of the shit he gets but that's going a little far. Better off just calling him a douche and moving on or ignoring him altogether.


I see where you're coming from, but he's on literally every Islanders thread at this point. If shaming him away is the only way (other than reporting him to Eric which I will never do) then I really don't care. If hudson wants to start contributing in an acceptable way he's fine by me.
Agree with arc on this one  
Mike from Ohio : 4/10/2015 2:23 pm : link
Stick to calling him a douche. Leave the aspergers shit out of this. Low class crap there.
It's hudson  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 2:32 pm : link
I really couldn't care less.
and anyone who really suffers from aspergers  
Mike from Ohio : 4/10/2015 2:42 pm : link
This is why I hate when anyone suggests one team's fans are better than another's. Clearly every fan base has their share of idiot douchebags.
Omg  
Fish : 4/10/2015 2:47 pm : link
It's hockey for crying out loud. What's in a name. Go cry in a pillow.
RE: Omg  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 2:54 pm : link
In comment 12227397 Fish said:
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It's hockey for crying out loud. What's in a name. Go cry in a pillow.


He must be new here.
RE: RE: Omg  
Mike from Ohio : 4/10/2015 2:57 pm : link
In comment 12227414 Mike in Long Beach said:
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It's hockey for crying out loud. What's in a name. Go cry in a pillow.



He must be new here.


No, just understanding why nobody takes you seriously.
Go Bucks!!  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 2:58 pm : link
I'm not going to fight with you over Hudson, lol
I hate the bucks  
Mike from Ohio : 4/10/2015 3:02 pm : link
Not interested in fighting with anyone. Just speaking my mind.
RE: I hate the bucks  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 3:13 pm : link
In comment 12227433 Mike from Ohio said:
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Not interested in fighting with anyone. Just speaking my mind.



go Islanders?
On another note.  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 3:25 pm : link
What's up with playoff tickets. Someone here mentioned they heard from the inside that they were only going to be made available to Barclays and NVMC season ticket holders. Was there any truth to that?

I'm thinking it's less and less likely, just because if that were the case, they would've made an announcement already. Would be a pretty big F you to the fans to tell them at the last second that they won't be able to buy tickets. I don't think that's going to happen, though.
RE: On another note.  
Metnut : 4/10/2015 3:30 pm : link
In comment 12227493 Mike in Long Beach said:
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What's up with playoff tickets. Someone here mentioned they heard from the inside that they were only going to be made available to Barclays and NVMC season ticket holders. Was there any truth to that?

I'm thinking it's less and less likely, just because if that were the case, they would've made an announcement already. Would be a pretty big F you to the fans to tell them at the last second that they won't be able to buy tickets. I don't think that's going to happen, though.


Ticketmaster says that there's a presale for AmEx holders Monday at noon and then general public Wednesday at 9am. I don't expect too many tickets to be available and expect that most of us will be stuck with stubhub if we want to go. We're looking at $120-$150 for cheap seats.
Hey, i have one of those :)  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/10/2015 3:37 pm : link
.
RE: Hey, i have one of those :)  
Metnut : 4/10/2015 3:43 pm : link
In comment 12227528 Mike in Long Beach said:
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Good luck. I'm going to give it a shot too, but I'm likely going to be 6-20 beers deep at Mets opening day when the presale happens.

I'm committed to going to at least one playoff game, even if it means secondary market costs. I need to say goodbye to the barn.
Dave M  
Fish : 4/10/2015 4:24 pm : link
and I went to the Isles / Pens playoff game 2 years ago. Awesome time. We drank scotch in parking lot at 12:00 in afternoon. That was our tailgate.
Please, please, please, Islanders,  
oldog : 4/10/2015 4:38 pm : link
win tonight. Whiney, fakey, Sydney, must be denied, and you need better position for the playoffs. I will watch with my fingers crossed.
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