I sometimes find myself forgetting about what Randle did last year. What can we reasonably expect from him? Has he figured it out? Is this offense much more suited for him than Gilbride's offense?
If he has finally "figured it out", his skillset really is a perfect compliment to Beckham and Cruz.
amirite?
Keep in mind once Cruz went out he was the number 2 guy. With a healthy Cruz, he will be the number 3. That might limit the number of balls thrown his way.
It really is all dependant on how Cruz comes back and if he can be effective.
That's the bottom line here. I think there is a slim chance he's on this team in 2016.
RR has to make both the easy and tough catchs, and equally important, run good routes.
That said, his contract gives him enough incentive for a good year, even if it is 45 catch and a good percentage against thrown tos.
If not, Harris, Parker?, Washington, in '16.
He's a bad route runner and a drop machine who consistently has his hands in retarted placements trying to catch the ball (I've never seen anything like it) but somehow how makes the occasional spec
Keep in mind once Cruz went out he was the number 2 guy. With a healthy Cruz, he will be the number 3. That might limit the number of balls thrown his way.
It really is all dependant on how Cruz comes back and if he can be effective.
Don't be fooled by bulk numbers, considering his amount of targets those numbers are actually pretty pedestrian
He's a bad route runner and a drop machine who consistently has his hands in retarted placements trying to catch the ball (I've never seen anything like it) but somehow how makes the occasional spec
I guess you are forgetting the first Skins game and the 49er performance?
Really?
Randle is a really good #3 wr and a so-so #2 Wr. Not reliable enough. Seems he only gets open when the coverage dictates it.
He still seems to struggle with the mental aspects of playing WR at the NFL level. I wouldn't call him a bust, but I don't think we've gotten enough out of him so far based on his draft position. If Cruz and Beckham stay healthy, Randle will serve well as a third-option type for Eli on the outside. But I don't think Eli has enough trust in him to rely on him frequently.
I also was concerned to hear the announcers say last year that the Giants believe they have to get Randle involved early in games to keep him focused and interested. To me, that's a red flag on a guy. I want my team's players to get an adrenaline rush just by leaving the tunnel and hitting the field pre-game.
Randle had skills to matchup with teams #2 CB for most of the year last year and did pretty well. Going against #3 CB's this year, I would expect him to win that matchup more often than not. I also think that him being a #3 this year will keep his numbers down and also allow us to sign him back at a reasonable price.
Worst case, Cruz is not what he was prior to the injury and Randle is a very solid in house insurance policy. Gives the Giants another year of evaluation to see what he can do.l
2) in a contract year
3) rinse & repeat
That's not entirely accurate.
Although he had two monster games at the end of the season - 6/132 against the Rams, 6/158 against Philly - Randle actually had more receptions in the first eight games of the season - 38 - than he did in the last eight - 33.
First eight games, 38 for 370 yards, 2 TDs. Last eight, 33 for 568 yards, 1 TD. Subtract the last two games, 27/278. Sure, he had some bumps along the way, but he was fairly consistent throughout the year.
Overall. I like randle but we need to prepare as if he is not going to keep producing. if he does, great because you can cut cruz if he does not produce. it is a sad position but you can't get too connected. If cruz is not 100% next year and randle stinks it up, then we need 2 wrs.
2) in a contract year
3) rinse & repeat
It really is as simple as that. It's so hard to hve an actual conversation about it. All other teams must only play the Pats and Seahawks each week if you comb through some of these threads.
My favorite are the ones about X player being too good in their final year and not being able to afford them. Let's for from X player to suck so we can afford them next year!
Improve those areas and become more consistent, and he'll be a good NFL WR. One that would be worth keeping in terms of the money it will take to keep him off the open market (which is no gimme unless he cleans up his game).
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Parker was far superior to him last year
Really?
Parker was one of the best 3rd down receivers in the league and has wayyy more reliable hands, every time a ball goes RRs way.. I fully expect him to drop it
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For the entire year up till the last few games where he fluffed up those numbers in the seasons garbage time...
That's not entirely accurate.
Although he had two monster games at the end of the season - 6/132 against the Rams, 6/158 against Philly - Randle actually had more receptions in the first eight games of the season - 38 - than he did in the last eight - 33.
First eight games, 38 for 370 yards, 2 TDs. Last eight, 33 for 568 yards, 1 TD. Subtract the last two games, 27/278. Sure, he had some bumps along the way, but he was fairly consistent throughout the year.
So 1/3rd of his yards came in 1/8th of his games, that doesn't screamn consistency to me, the one thing that RR is consistent with is dropping the ball, pretty much every week it seems
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Parker was far superior to him last year
Really?
Parker was one of the best 3rd down receivers in the league and has wayyy more reliable hands, every time a ball goes RRs way.. I fully expect him to drop it
Really? If true he must have had 800 balls hit him in the hands and only held 71. I don't recall him being thrown to that often.
It's true he needs to be more consistent and more mentally alert. I don't know what you're watching to lead you to such a conclusion. Nor do I see how you could possibly make a statement that "Parker was one of the best 3rd down receivers in the league and has wayyy more reliable hands".
If you like Randle as an NFL WR you must not know how to properly catch a football, cause anyone who does know how to can clearly see Randle does NOT, which I think is the bare minimum you can ask out of any professional WR, don't get me wrong as long as the game is played by humans there will be drops, even the best of WRs are bound to drop some easy receptions, but it's the way he does it sometimes, puts his hands in a position so retarted I couldn't even fathom trying to catch a football that way, it's sooo awkward, and it's frustrating to see an NFL WR look like the nerdy kid in gym class who never played a sport in his life trying to catch a ball
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Parker was far superior to him last year
Really?
Parker was one of the best 3rd down receivers in the league and has wayyy more reliable hands, every time a ball goes RRs way.. I fully expect him to drop it
Really? If true he must have had 800 balls hit him in the hands and only held 71. I don't recall him being thrown to that often.
It's true he needs to be more consistent and more mentally alert. I don't know what you're watching to lead you to such a conclusion. Nor do I see how you could possibly make a statement that "Parker was one of the best 3rd down receivers in the league and has wayyy more reliable hands".
Because statistically he was one of the best 3rd down receivers in the league and had a much lower drop rate...
He's talented no doubt, but way too inconsistent relative to his talent.
However he is exactly the type of player I think explodes in a contract year. He likely comes out on a mission this year so he can land a huge contract.
That could pay huge dividends for us in 2015 but don't know if I'd trust him after he gets the $$$. That is why (along with the Cruz unknown) I'd have no issue going WR if the value is there.
Do some people honestly believe what they say? - ( New Window )
71 catches on 127 targets is not very good... at all
1. I said he good for the occasional SPEC
2. Really? You need to pull out a highlight reel of him to sell him? I look good in a "highlight reel" everybody does, watch what he does throughout the course of a game and it tells a whole different story, do you assess collegiate prospects based on their "highlights" lmao but I don't know what I'm talking about.. sheesh
It's refreshing tha tyou'l admit this -- because in reading everything you wrote above -- it's clear that you haven't a clue about what you are talking about
And as for drops, well ...
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I don't know what I'm talking about.. sheesh
It's refreshing tha tyou'l admit this -- because in reading everything you wrote above -- it's clear that you haven't a clue about what you are talking about
You're right RR is a god with his amazing catch percentage on his absurd amount of targets
Except it's terrible
It can happen but it usually is due to injury more than anything else.
Randle I think will be very focused on having a career year. Year 2 of MacAdoo's system should only help.
Sure sign of an intellectual though.....
This comment alone shows you see what you wish.
And as for drops, well ...
I wish I could say hes consistenyl mediocre but he isn't even that, he pulls a big game out of his hat every once in a while, go look at his game by game stats on Google, looks like a lot of way up games and way down games, if you wanna see what consistency looks like look up odells game by game stats when you're done
Hard to believe though that he is only 23 years old. Hopefully he can take the next step and become consistent. If he and Cruz aren't playing at a high level I hate to see how much we would struggle in the passing game having to rely yet again on OBJ.
This comment alone shows you see what you wish.
I'll never forget the time (cause I watched the replay 5 times in a row to confirm I wasn't crazy) that he tried to catch a ball with his left hand vertical and his right hand horizontal... stick your left arm straight out with your palm facing the direction you're looking (like your about to catch a baseball) than stick your right arm out and rotate your wrist 90 degrees upward (like you're about to karate chop down on something) now put your hands next to each other, and try to catch a football that way you're going to be catching the front tip of the ball in your left hand and the side of the ball with your right hand, this is the madness I have witnessed him try to attack a ball with maybe I get on him a little bit too much for that incident but that is sooo bad and uncoordinated the image of that is just burned in my head and I can't get over how an NFL receiver does that
You never were on the debate team were you, that's pretty much the first rule of debate... if you're not intelligent enough to stick to the subject, that you have to mindlessly hurl insults... You lost, pretty simple concept to grasp if you know the basics of psychology
It shows you can't articulate a viable rebuttal which cause frustration and leads to... insults
GG
you're underplaying the disparity between the numbers, there are plenty of guys who aren't half as good as Beckham but their adjust number with randles amount of targets would be much closer to Beckham's than his are
Auto correct killing me, and I know that'll be the next thing someone jumps on me for lol
But back on subject his totals on 127 targets are not good, borderline awful actually...
Top WRs with the same number of targets, TY Hilton 130, Calvin Johnson 128, and Randall Cobb 126.
The reason for the numbers is he got the looks.
With Cruz coming back and OBJ getting even more targets, means Randle will get less targets and putting up equivalent numbers will be very difficult. You may have witnessed his best year, if he remains in NY.
Except he'd probably have a lot more to say even if that's peppered in there, you know who counters a point with nothing but "oh yeah? Well you're stupid"? Children, who brains can't proccess anything more than that
Perfect example^ see how I came back at you with an actual point pertaining to yours? That's what's missing, it wouldn't have taken any thought what so ever for me to say to you "you're an idiot" or "you're a troll etc" I can't belive I'm the only one here who knows how debate works, ever see a politician pull that kinda shit? His campaign would be over, why? It shows weak mindedness
RR is a far superior athlete to them but his hands are right on par with theirs, I think even they could have put up these pedestrian numbers if they were targeted 127 TIMES! People aren't getting how bad the production is for that amount, our own Preston Parker would have better numbers than that if you adjusted his totals to 137 targets
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But Parker is the man. Got it.
Now go away.
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I don't like OBJesus.
If you like Randle as an NFL WR you must not know how to properly catch a football, cause anyone who does know how to can clearly see Randle does NOT, which I think is the bare minimum you can ask out of any professional WR, don't get me wrong as long as the game is played by humans there will be drops, even the best of WRs are bound to drop some easy receptions, but it's the way he does it sometimes, puts his hands in a position so retarted I couldn't even fathom trying to catch a football that way, it's sooo awkward, and it's frustrating to see an NFL WR look like the nerdy kid in gym class who never played a sport in his life trying to catch a ball
really, so you are suggesting our crack talent team drafted a wide receiver who cannot catch a football properly? Seriously?
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But Parker is the man. Got it.
Now go away.
Official drops are a joke, they only count if the ball hits you dead in the chest and there's no defender within 5 yards of you, remember how many drops we had as a team the first 2 weeks? I remember counting at least 15 (prob more) victor Cruz alone had like 3-4 BRUTAL ones just in week 1 I know we all remember that, yet after week 2 as a team we "officially" had like 4 drops, get the fuck out of here with that, try going back and actually watching and assessing tape and than tell me RR isn't a drop machine and Preston Parker doesn't have reliable hands, that way I'll be able to confirm that you have no idea what you're looking at when you watch games, and you sure as hell never put on pads
If you had a brain and new anything about what game you were watching you would not make such a claim. If you want to say that Randle has been inconsistent and lacking in focus, agreed. And that he has to show that he is real player this year or else, agreed as well. But to dismiss his talent is absurd and claim some journeyman who was undrafted and OUT OF FOOOTBALL FOR ALL OF 2013 after being cut by the Saints is the "best 3rd down receiver in the league" is idiotic.
Then your real name must be Stevie Wonder. Buh BYE
Then you need a better set of glasses
If you had a brain and new anything about what game you were watching you would not make such a claim. If you want to say that Randle has been inconsistent and lacking in focus, agreed. And that he has to show that he is real player this year or else, agreed as well. But to dismiss his talent is absurd and claim some journeyman who was undrafted and OUT OF FOOOTBALL FOR ALL OF 2013 after being cut by the Saints is the "best 3rd down receiver in the league" is idiotic.
Never said he was, but I remember late in the season them showing receiving stats on 3rd down and Preston Parker was right near the top in efficiency and all the announcers were praising him.. doesn't matter what he did the year before on some other team, and I did some more research and a lot of beat writers praised his work on 3rd down when he was with tampa.
If you do some more research 90% of the football world thinks official drops are a joke as it's a very subjective "stat" I was just reading an old article about us in the begging of last year and the writer specifically said Victor Cruz had 3 drops (depending on who you ask) I'm looking at all the drop leaders last year and the list ends after about 20 players or so the lowest of which had 5, and RR is not on the list, yet some how Cruz racked up 8 in his short season (as bad as it was early on) either way you're telling me RR didn't have 5 drops last season???? C'mon now, that right there proves how big of a joke "official" drops are
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valid but official drops are bogus? NOt to mention that Randle has been on the field for all 48 games of his career, has a better YPC average You're a moron. Your entire premise is ridiculous. Parker is a ham and egger journeyman. You come and here and stir shit and think it passes for analysis.
If you had a brain and new anything about what game you were watching you would not make such a claim. If you want to say that Randle has been inconsistent and lacking in focus, agreed. And that he has to show that he is real player this year or else, agreed as well. But to dismiss his talent is absurd and claim some journeyman who was undrafted and OUT OF FOOOTBALL FOR ALL OF 2013 after being cut by the Saints is the "best 3rd down receiver in the league" is idiotic.
Never said he was, but I remember late in the season them showing receiving stats on 3rd down and Preston Parker was right near the top in efficiency and all the announcers were praising him.. doesn't matter what he did the year before on some other team, and I did some more research and a lot of beat writers praised his work on 3rd down when he was with tampa.
If you do some more research 90% of the football world thinks official drops are a joke as it's a very subjective "stat" I was just reading an old article about us in the begging of last year and the writer specifically said Victor Cruz had 3 drops (depending on who you ask) I'm looking at all the drop leaders last year and the list ends after about 20 players or so the lowest of which had 5, and RR is not on the list, yet some how Cruz racked up 8 in his short season (as bad as it was early on) either way you're telling me RR didn't have 5 drops last season???? C'mon now, that right there proves how big of a joke "official" drops are
And based on "targets" is valid? So the QB "targets" WR but throws it at his feet, or over his head and that is a negative to the receiver? Again, you are an idiot. Go away.
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valid but official drops are bogus? NOt to mention that Randle has been on the field for all 48 games of his career, has a better YPC average You're a moron. Your entire premise is ridiculous. Parker is a ham and egger journeyman. You come and here and stir shit and think it passes for analysis.
If you had a brain and new anything about what game you were watching you would not make such a claim. If you want to say that Randle has been inconsistent and lacking in focus, agreed. And that he has to show that he is real player this year or else, agreed as well. But to dismiss his talent is absurd and claim some journeyman who was undrafted and OUT OF FOOOTBALL FOR ALL OF 2013 after being cut by the Saints is the "best 3rd down receiver in the league" is idiotic.
Never said he was, but I remember late in the season them showing receiving stats on 3rd down and Preston Parker was right near the top in efficiency and all the announcers were praising him.. doesn't matter what he did the year before on some other team, and I did some more research and a lot of beat writers praised his work on 3rd down when he was with tampa.
If you do some more research 90% of the football world thinks official drops are a joke as it's a very subjective "stat" I was just reading an old article about us in the begging of last year and the writer specifically said Victor Cruz had 3 drops (depending on who you ask) I'm looking at all the drop leaders last year and the list ends after about 20 players or so the lowest of which had 5, and RR is not on the list, yet some how Cruz racked up 8 in his short season (as bad as it was early on) either way you're telling me RR didn't have 5 drops last season???? C'mon now, that right there proves how big of a joke "official" drops are
And based on "targets" is valid? So the QB "targets" WR but throws it at his feet, or over his head and that is a negative to the receiver? Again, you are an idiot. Go away.
Balances out, notice Beckham had a way higher % than both of them, I guess Eli just coincedntly gave him more catchable balls? Naa what you're saying could be applied to everyone so imo it balances it out, if you're going to try to sum up a WR on paper without ever watching him that's the best stat to do it with, not the totals posted in the OP that have 0 context what so ever
Oh and did you stop to think that the throw at the receivers feet or whatever could be the receivers fault....? Maybe he didn't generate any kind of separation, maybe he wasn't where he was supposed to be, but it's not like RR has ever had a reputation for both of those .....LOLOL what's it like watching your point go through a paper shredder I'm curious?
Which stat?
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Considering he only had 36 total receptions on the year, I find that hard to believe
Which stat?
Ohhh the 3rd down stat? Like I said it was during one of the game braocasts late in the year, it was an efficiency stat, didn't have anything to do with bulk iirc
Unless everyone of his 36 catches was on third down...that is a bit of a reach, no?
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It seems he definitely figured it out and had a breakout year. He was also on the same page with Eli.
Keep in mind once Cruz went out he was the number 2 guy. With a healthy Cruz, he will be the number 3. That might limit the number of balls thrown his way.
It really is all dependant on how Cruz comes back and if he can be effective.
Don't be fooled by bulk numbers, considering his amount of targets those numbers are actually pretty pedestrian
He stepped up in the end, though, big time. He finally started consistently willing balls that were contested.
Fuck you.
Unless everyone of his 36 catches was on third down...that is a bit of a reach, no?
Never said he was #1 in anything, but that hear was near the top, and actually most of his catches prob were on 3rd down am I seriously the only one that remembers the work he did on 3rd down for us... Jeez, how quickly people forget
His primary inconsistencies seem irreparable at this point, maybe not the route running, but there's really no way to coach bad hands.. unfortunately
Sorry Danny - not referring to you -- referring to - OBJesus - the demented thread derailer
Sorry to ruin the thread of fantasies and delusions with facts and relevant numbers that actually have context... I now know this is no place to bring logic, or any sort of in depth football knowledge, thanks for letting me know
for instance ---- you used the phrase "in depth" - and you are clearly "out of your depth"
in fact convoluted and confused also leap to the mind readily - and then you circle back around and attack the credibility of everyone else arguing with you -- great stuff -- are you older than 12?
for instance ---- you used the phrase "in depth" - and you are clearly "out of your depth"
in fact convoluted and confused also leap to the mind readily - and then you circle back around and attack the credibility of everyone else arguing with you -- great stuff -- are you older than 12?
I'd be mad too if I was debating a subject with someone and their knowledge on the subject was far superior to mine despite the fact I care very much about it, not one point I made in relation to anything football could be denied, people wanna disagree so badly but can't articulate any sort of valid rebuttal (because there's not one to be made) so they get mad and try to change the subject lol classic aversion, I see right through every one of you people and that is just one of the many reasons I'm so far ahead of you right now, you guys must get dizzy watching me run circles around you, I expected more when I came here.. obviously it's nothing but casual fans who know very little about the game and never played it
-- please stay out front there and keep moving
by the way -- watch out for Randy - if you stay out front he can bean you
-- please stay out front there and keep moving
by the way -- watch out for Randy - if you stay out front he can bean you
1/10
Idk what people think I'm gonna get banned for... cause I state my opinion and am told "fuck you" for it? Lol dream on fellas you're never gonna get your way, don't be mad a superior mind has come to steal your clout.. over and out, motha fucks
Try me then...
Maybe youd like to counter a point I had on the subject? No one else seems to have the capability, just disagreeing to disagree really, no reasoning or anything viable to back up their objection, a challenge would be a welcomed change
With Odell in his 2nd year & Cruz coming back Randle should see a lot of single coverage against teams #2 or #3 CB. If Odell keeps doing what he did last year, Cruz returns to 75% of the player he was & Randle continues to get better we could very well have the best offense in the league. Throw in Rashad, Donnell, Vereen, Andre Williams, Dwayne & Marcus Harris and it could be scary for opposing defenses.
I'm really excited to see Odell this year. He was the only good position player on our Offense for 8 of the last 10 weeks and was destroying teams whose only real game plan was to shut him down. If teams have to worry about the above mentioned players I think Odell could have somewhere between 1600-1800 yards and 16-18 TDs.
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Hence, Dumpster, Salty Meathead, and now ObtuseJesus.
I'd run away too
OBJesus