Your INITIAL choice at 9 and your choice NOW

But now I think if Waynes lasts, it has to be him. We have zero safeties and there is no reason to think Waynes can't be a matchup type safety or 3rd CB that will take the pressure off a safety.

I'm not in love with Cooper or Kevin White and with all the OL available, I think when it all goes down guys like Collins, Peat, Scherff, Flowers, Clemmings, Humphries are too hard to distinguish between. It's a game of rock, paper, scissors when choosing between the top OT prospects. There are also some enormous guards out there and plenty of big RT prospects that can be had in rounds 2 and 3.

I think if a blue chip player is there, you pounce.

I still want a Pass Rusher -- I think it's critical to put a premium player into the defensive mix

I've been saying for months that he's the best receiver in this class. he highpoints and attacks the ball better then White. He's the most explosive after the catch of the top 3 and has the highest upside.
So for those who say he's not a top 10 talent they haven't actually watched any tape,and are listening to what some others have said and repeating it.
43 catches for 855 yards in 6 games last year,for 19.9 YPC.
as a Sophmore he averaged 18.6,and in 4 years has never averaged under 16.2. He's an absolute top 10 talent at the very least!!! The Giants should be so lucky to get this kid at 9. White and Cooper likely go before him due to the injury this past season that caused him to miss 7 games,so the Giants have an excellent chance of landing him at 9.
Contrary to popular belief on here,there are no OL worth a top 15 pick let alone at 9.
Beasley is likely gone when they pick,so Unless the Giants think he can be a 3 down LB in a 43 who can put his hand in the dirt and rush on 3rd down or obvious passing downs,then he's not the choice anyway. The only other option might be Shane Ray. Once again,IMO Parker would be the higher rated player.
There's no DT's that carry a top ten grade either IMO. Some on here have said Danny Shelton,but I don't think you draft a DT at 9 who would come out on 3rd down and obvious passing situations.
Malcom brown is a good player with a little pass rush ability but I don't think he's worthy of a top 10 selection either.
The Giants don't draft DT's in the first round anyway and I can't see that changing this year. Maybe if there were a player they just couldn't pass up,but there isn't one in this years draft other than Leanord Williams,and he'll be long gone.
So not only do I disagree very strongly that Parker isn't a top 10 pick,we're likely talking about him being the first receiver off the board if he doesn't break his foot and miss those 7 games.
Like Reese said last year about OBJ,when we were up and he was available,there was no discussion,Beckham was our guy.
This year Parker is likely going to be(there guy).
Unless Cooper drops to 9 somehow there should be no question who the pick is. if that happens Reese has a tough decision to make. I'd still go with Parker because the only thing Cooper has on him is route running,wich Parker has improved and will only get better with coaching.
I'm not as enamored with Kevin Whites 4.35 forty at the combine as most,as you just don't see it consistently on film. Not to mention he's a one year wonder. I'm not saying he's not going to be an excellent receiver,I'd just take Parker or Cooper over him without a second thought!!

when it became clear he wouldn't be available I had to rethink.

Brandon Scherff

Wild Card: Shane Ray

Scherff is solid in all phases and projects at a high level to 4 positions. Rare combination of overall size and elite athleticism.

Shane Ray is a tough evaluation for the Giants. We'll need to embrace some defensive flexibility to maximize his impact. If we're prepared to do that he could be the pick.

On Ray, too small for DE and he'll be a liability at OLB.

A lot a lot...

In comment 12229586 Big Blue '56 said:

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I've been enamored with Beasley and what Spags might possibly do with him(a la Von Miller and Bruce Irvin)..Still would be fine if he was the pick..

Originally I had Peat, he still would be my choice if Dupree (DE) wasn't there. I, obviously have become a huge fan of Dupree and would now select him at #9. I have "0" concerns at RB and WR while we can address OT/OG later in the draft and UFA's. That leaves us a defense which didn't measure up last year compounded by the JPP situation. JMHO.

'0' concerns at WR doesn't add up imo. Yeah we have a legit #1 in OBJ. Cruz returning to form is far from a certainty. The concerns over RR are two fold: the first being his inconsistency which he needs to lay to rest, the second being his contract status as this is his final year.

While I agree WR isn't a glaring weakness '0' concern strikes me as a cavalier attitude to hold toward one of the impact positions in the league imo.

and I seriously doubt they will take any of the hybrid DE,LBs, at least none of those weighing in at or around 245. And bulking them up may give you a different athlete.

Don't have the expertise to assess whether Peat, Collins, Or Scherff can play LT or will be career RT, or possibly a guard - but, that will be a big part of the discussion. If they draft one of those three - they start at RT and Pugh gets moved inside.

Scherf

then La'ell Collins and now back to Peat.

That couldn't be considered a "reach"? Except for maybe Todd Gurley

Don't want Ray, don't want Gregory, don't want Bud, don't want Scherff, don't want Shelton, what a shitty spot were in, I PRAY we trade back

now Randy Gregory. OL in this draft is plentiful. Only a handful of impact DL/LB tweener types available. We need a pass rusher who can play the run and that is Gregory.

In comment 12229956 OBJesus said:

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That couldn't be considered a "reach"? Except for maybe Todd Gurley Don't want Ray, don't want Gregory, don't want Bud, don't want Scherff, don't want Shelton, what a shitty spot were in, I PRAY we trade back

I don't love the value at 9 this year and would be happy with a trade. Then take Collins in the first.

Initially: Landon Collins

Now: Brandon Scherff

did you watch the combine this year? I watched the OL drills and I don't want this guy. If you TiVod it, watch the mirror drill and listen to the commentary by Sean O'Hara. I like Scherff and La'el Collins but I would pass on Peat.

Parker now.

would be one of the top DT's. Thirtieth against the run is unacceptable. Shelton or Malcom Brown would go a long way to change that. You hear the argument that Shelton is strictly a NT. IMHO. not true. He is a one technique who would excel in a 4-3. He played most of the snaps at Washington and has great lateral quickness as well as brute strength.

and scouts acknowledged. Try to not let how he looked affect your view of his actual testing results.

Scherff now. I'm assuming Cooper won't be there.

They're going to pick a playmaker or cornerstone OL, as they always do. #NYGphilosophy

Now - Gregory

Didn't like Peat but have started warming up to him. Love both WR's but doubt they get there.

but now that it looks like Shelton will be available would prefer him. O-Line sucked last year but the defense is what killed the Giants. Think it all hinges on not getting pressure up the middle to stop the run or to make the qb leave the pocket. Hankins was good but he was it on that line. When he wasn't on the field the line got driven back or stood up.

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my favorite prospect in our range for a while now. The more I see him, the more I feel confident in him. He controls people with power but has nimble feet. I can see why people aren't totally sold on him. Physically, he's not a special talent. He doesn't play "pretty". He looks a little sloppy at times. But he gets results. Over and over and over again. And I think his performance at the combine answered a lot of questions for me. He was the best OLineman at the combine in terms of positional drills. He might look sloppy at times but he moved so smoothly during those drills. I think Collins can play any position on the line, any scheme.

But recently I've moved away from "OL in the 1st". If Collins is there and we take him, I'd absolutely be cool with it. But right now I've got my eyes on pass rushers and receivers. Hoping for White or Gregory.

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He doesn't play "pretty". He looks a little sloppy at times. But he gets results. Over and over and over again

I think we had two players recently that played that way: Diehl and Seubert

:)

Now - Cooper

Now - Trade down for Maxx Williams

And now Cooper or either Collins. La'el or Landon.

In comment 12229867 raever said:

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A lot a lot...

And that does nothing to change my opinion.

Full time, two way DE that weighs 245lbs and stands 6'2.5. If there is one, I doubt there are many more, but despite the scuttle butt about the "passing league", this a league with shorter off seasons, BS OTAs and a joke of training camp. Running the ball is much easier than passing with the way defenses are terrified of the pass. A light in the pants DE added to the most horrific run defense this team has EVER had...makes no sense to me. Ray plays hard, great, he's a competitor, amazing but he's going to get tossed around like a rag doll at DE if he has any notion of stopping the run. We have a player like that already.

I don't what any guru says, Ray is too slight to be a good DE in the 4-3 and nothing anyone says will sway me.

Now I want a trade down and La'el Collins.

If Leonard Williams falls to the Raiders at 4, I call them up and see what they want

You can't teach motor or competitiveness but you can max out your frame and at 6'2" I don't see how Ray can ever be a 3 down lineman.

I've wanted one of the top DTs from the get to and that hasn't changed. Too soft in the middle. I'd be really happy with either Williams or Shelton. I don't really love any of the OTs in this draft.

Shane Ray was my intial choice

I believe it will be Gregory.

I would be the farm it's not Gregory. Guy with repeatedly failed drug screens, after the Will Hill fiasco and this is the 1st round pick. I'm not certain they'd take him w/o the drug testing issue. Too light for full time DE

not be the farm

for all the common sense reasons stated.

Smart with a much stronger 2013 season than 2014. Reese & crew are deliberately avoiding "recency bias" to take the long view on prospects.

2nd round: I am really hoping Gurley is still there.

Now - #TeamScherff

In comment 12231091 cosmicj said:

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Smart with a much stronger 2013 season than 2014. Reese & crew are deliberately avoiding "recency bias" to take the long view on prospects. 2nd round: I am really hoping Gurley is still there.

Can you see Dallas or possibly Philly taking Gurley?

no clue. This draft I think is going to provide some major surprises given the talent dearth and lack of blue chippers.

Now - Ray, if he's there

I've been saying for months that he's the best receiver in this class. he highpoints and attacks the ball better then White. He's the most explosive after the catch of the top 3 and has the highest upside.
So for those who say he's not a top 10 talent they haven't actually watched any tape,and are listening to what some others have said and repeating it.
43 catches for 855 yards in 6 games last year,for 19.9 YPC.
as a Sophmore he averaged 18.6,and in 4 years has never averaged under 16.2. He's an absolute top 10 talent at the very least!!! The Giants should be so lucky to get this kid at 9. White and Cooper likely go before him due to the injury this past season that caused him to miss 7 games,so the Giants have an excellent chance of landing him at 9.
Contrary to popular belief on here,there are no OL worth a top 15 pick let alone at 9.
Beasley is likely gone when they pick,so Unless the Giants think he can be a 3 down LB in a 43 who can put his hand in the dirt and rush on 3rd down or obvious passing downs,then he's not the choice anyway. The only other option might be Shane Ray. Once again,IMO Parker would be the higher rated player.
There's no DT's that carry a top ten grade either IMO. Some on here have said Danny Shelton,but I don't think you draft a DT at 9 who would be a 2 down run stuffer and come out on 3rd down and obvious passing situations.
Malcom brown is a good player with a little pass rush ability but I don't think he's worthy of a top 10 selection either.
The Giants don't draft DT's in the first round anyway and I can't see that changing this year. Maybe if there were a player they just couldn't pass up,but there isn't one in this years draft other than Leanord Williams,and he'll be long gone.
So not only do I disagree very strongly that Parker isn't a top 10 pick,we're likely talking about him being the first receiver off the board if he doesn't break his foot and miss those 7 games.
Like Reese said last year about OBJ,when we were up and he was available,there was no discussion,Beckham was our guy.
This year Parker is likely going to be(there guy).
Unless Cooper drops to 9 somehow there should be no question who the pick is. if that happens Reese has a tough decision to make. I'd still go with Parker because the only thing Cooper has on him is route running,wich Parker has improved and will only get better with coaching.
I'm not as enamored with Kevin Whites 4.35 forty at the combine as most,as you just don't see it consistently on film. Not to mention he's a one year wonder. I'm not saying he's not going to be an excellent receiver,I'd just take Parker or Cooper over him without a second thought!!

A simple foot fracture that's healed is a non-factor..If LisFranc, that's a different story concern-wise, imo

would be neat.

Scherff if Cooper's gone, then and now.

In comment 12232350 Phil in LA said:

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Scherff if Cooper's gone, then and now.

Do you ascribe to some of the mindsets that say he does indeed have the feet to play OLT?

that is

Choice Now: Parker, White, or Odi

Still loving Devante Parker and his AJ Green game. Really like the idea of Parker or White with Beckham for the next 5 years.

But I also have a man crush on Odi.