Your INITIAL choice at 9 and your choice NOW

I've been enamored with Beasley and what Spags might possibly do with him(a la Von Miller and Bruce Irvin)..Still would be fine if he was the pick..

I wanted Scherff becuase I wanted a high end starter for the O line. After weeks of discussion I now realize we can pick up a guard in the second round that can be that guy without much of a drop off. Now I have my hopes on either Cooper or White, or one of the primiere pass rushers.

still Cooper.

...from the get-go.

Any alternative would be another point of attack player on either side of the ball.

But never a WR at 9.

Never.

A whole lotta BBIers don't realize how weak the team is upfront.

The weakest in the NFL.

How much weaker do you want to be?

Current - La'el Collins

guy but now I'm thinking Devante Parker. My guess is that Cooper and White will be gone. Beasley is the ONLY defensive player I'd take at 9. OL is decent but I'd still take Parker ahead of them.

Now......i am open to several but would prefer a trade down

BUT playing by your rules and assuming Cooper is gone...

Probably
Initial: La'el Collins
Now: Randy Gregory (but I am still making my mind up on him, could change as more info comes out)

Now Danny Shelton.

now DL.

In comment 12229590 Jolly Blue Giant said:

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I wanted Scherff becuase I wanted a high end starter for the O line. After weeks of discussion I now realize we can pick up a guard in the second round that can be that guy without much of a drop off. Now I have my hopes on either Cooper or White, or one of the primiere pass rushers.

+ 1

But I am not too upset at Cooper, White, Shelton, or DE like Ray or Beasley. At first I just wanted oline.

He does not fit Giants scheme and I wouldn't touch a non-sub 5.5 guy.

With the signing of Ellis it becomes a totally wasted pick for 2015.

White/Cooper/Beasley/Peat/LSU Collins/Scherf in that order.

I only prefer White to Cooper because of the different from OBJ skillset that he brings.

Peat allows Pugh to LG now and takes over from Beatty in a few years. Both Collins and Scherf allow Pugh to LG now, but stay at RT.

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Ideally a trade down and DJ Humphries.

and trade down

Scherff The only game I saw with Shane Ray he got tossed .
Kinda acted like a punk .
Giants could have 3-4 players slotted at #9
I could see them trading down .

I do not generally like under-sized guys as 4-3 DE full-timers. I do not know that he can be a true LB although I admit that I am willing to project Beasley there.

I don't want a part-time specialist with the #9 pick.

But "factoring in his hypercompetitiveness could mean "prone to be a late hit and foul machine" a la Frank Walker ??

In comment 12229633 Bob in Newburgh said:

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I do not generally like under-sized guys as 4-3 DE full-timers. I do not know that he can be a true LB although I admit that I am willing to project Beasley there. I don't want a part-time specialist with the #9 pick.

Hey Bob, always great to see you posting..I too obviously know mothing about Ray or anyone else beyond what I've learned..In general, I couldn't agree more with your point(s), but when Cosell talks, I listen..Intently

In comment 12229644 Bill2 said:

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But "factoring in his hypercompetitiveness could mean "prone to be a late hit and foul machine" a la Frank Walker ??

Sheesh I would hope not..But fortunately, it's all positive toward that end with Cosell..:)

Initially, La'el Collins.

Now, Randy Gregory.

Gregory can flat out play DE. The Giants have a strong history of successfully working with players who have substance abuse issues. Sure, the record isn't 100% success stories, but it is very strong.

Regarding Collins, I've only gained more confidence in him. However, there is good value on the OL available in Rounds 2 & 3. I would have to pass on Collins if Gregory were available.

I still would pick Amari Cooper or Kevin White over anyone, especially Cooper. I don't think either will be available. The NFL is largely a copycat league. Ironically, Beckham's success (and others, but mostly Beckham) will lead many teams to prioritize WR over other positions. The Raiders will almost certainly pick a WR (or Gurley, I think) and I feel pretty certain one other team in the top 8 will as well. So, no Cooper or White at 9.

In that case, I want Gregory if he is available!

Fun thread, thank you.

Peat, Collins or Scherff.

who run blocks and pass blocks and is healthy, not rehabbing an injury.

Now, Gregory if he slips which I can see happening.

Gregory is the top Pass Rusher in this class who can take over games, no way do you let him get past you if he is there at 9.

I feel confident the Giants can straighten the kid out, he doesn't have a bad track record/ history, to me it just seems immaturity which I think Gregory has admitted himself. If any team can straighten this kid out it is the Giants with Coughlin, and e is just way to good to pass up, I never thought we had a chance at him.

and it still remains the same. I don't buy most of the top of this draft is that great. I would love to pair Cooper with this team but I am not a big buyer in these pass rushers.

The best WR left.

Hopefully Cooper but Parker would be fine.

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Bowen (Bleacher Report): Which Prospects Have Scouts Buzzing in Run-Up to NFL Draft? "Brandon Scherff, OT/OG, Iowa Scherff has been a first-round prospect since the beginning of the 2014 college season, but the scouts I talk to now see him as a going 10th-15th overall, especially after he put his athletic ability on display at Iowa's pro day in the change-of-direction testing."

Thanks Defenderdawg for this

Best available DE, WR, or LT.

Since the first two figure to be gone, I'm looking at Peat and then Scherff.

that the OT's will be BPA at #9, pending a surprise pick ahead of us that enables a prospect to slip.

I was torn between Shelton and Scherff

Now I think Peat makes the most sense as we have no depth at tackle and Peat is a pure tackle

I don't want us to take a skill position player as they have the most risk and the shortest NFL lifespan

I found that worked for me last year.. so I am sticking with it. I dont have any idea who the Giants want and players seem to be "rising" in the last few weeks. I dont think they are actually rising.. I think that teams are starting to assemble their draft boards and info is getting out there..

The more I read, I allowed myself to be convinced Collins or Schreff was our best choice. Now, I've come full circle & believe Peat is our best bet to plug in initially at RT & then moving to LT when Beatty leaves!

Now, 1a - Beasley, 1b - Shelton

In comment 12229663 JonC said:

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that the OT's will be BPA at #9, pending a surprise pick ahead of us that enables a prospect to slip.

Jon, as an aside, would you be in favor of a trade-up for Williams or would the cost be too prohibitive given we need all the picks we can get..And out of curiosity what do you think it would take to get him?

He's the best player in this draft. I haven't looked at a chart to calculate the cost, but it's going to be heavy.

with a huge heart. But, they must be damned certain he can physically hold up at DE, or have a plan to deploy him off th edge. Otherwise, picking a tweener at #9 is damned dangerous, Beasley et al included.

quite highly of Ray through this entire process

you better get your bonafide pass rusher early. They might be gone by the end of round one early round 2....

Choice Now: DeVante Parker.

In comment 12229700 blueblood said:

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you better get your bonafide pass rusher early. They might be gone by the end of round one early round 2....

I've noticed that as well..Good point

Is that for a guy who seems rather slight in build, he is ultra competitive with the ball in the air and is very tough to bring down after the catch.

Really like Devante. Would mesh well with Cruz and Odell.

Giants think about Parker..

Brandon Scherff, but would not be disappointed with Danny Shelton.

Gregory now

Brandon Scherff now

I would be in favor of a trade down if none of the following are available:

Williams
Cooper
Beasley
DFJ
Scherff
White

Now i am torn between safety collins or OL. We need a lot of help on defense. I do not want a WR with the 1st pick.

Then - Danny Shelton

Now - Shane Ray/Randy Gregory (if both there then Ray)

I still think trading down is a realistic option based on the way this draft is set up. If Cooper/White is available at 9 I would sell this pick off to the highest bidder. Corner is another position where we are relatively strong and this draft is relatively weak. It's possible someone wants to move up and grab Waynes.

If we stay put, I want one of the pass-rushers. I agree that OL is a huge need for us as well, but I feel we can still get a starter at 40. If you look at our defensive personnel there is a serious lack of talent. Also, our best player, who is wildly inconsistent is playing on a franchise tag. DLINE FIRST PICK.

Now Brandon Scherff.

Would be very happy with either. As much as i would like a pass rusher, I think the 3-4 guys are really risky at #9

We need a top OL player. There are lots of quality WR's we can get at pick #40.

But now I think if Waynes lasts, it has to be him. We have zero safeties and there is no reason to think Waynes can't be a matchup type safety or 3rd CB that will take the pressure off a safety.

I'm not in love with Cooper or Kevin White and with all the OL available, I think when it all goes down guys like Collins, Peat, Scherff, Flowers, Clemmings, Humphries are too hard to distinguish between. It's a game of rock, paper, scissors when choosing between the top OT prospects. There are also some enormous guards out there and plenty of big RT prospects that can be had in rounds 2 and 3.

I think if a blue chip player is there, you pounce.

I still want a Pass Rusher -- I think it's critical to put a premium player into the defensive mix

I've been saying for months that he's the best receiver in this class. he highpoints and attacks the ball better then White. He's the most explosive after the catch of the top 3 and has the highest upside.
So for those who say he's not a top 10 talent they haven't actually watched any tape,and are listening to what some others have said and repeating it.
43 catches for 855 yards in 6 games last year,for 19.9 YPC.
as a Sophmore he averaged 18.6,and in 4 years has never averaged under 16.2. He's an absolute top 10 talent at the very least!!! The Giants should be so lucky to get this kid at 9. White and Cooper likely go before him due to the injury this past season that caused him to miss 7 games,so the Giants have an excellent chance of landing him at 9.
Contrary to popular belief on here,there are no OL worth a top 15 pick let alone at 9.
Beasley is likely gone when they pick,so Unless the Giants think he can be a 3 down LB in a 43 who can put his hand in the dirt and rush on 3rd down or obvious passing downs,then he's not the choice anyway. The only other option might be Shane Ray. Once again,IMO Parker would be the higher rated player.
There's no DT's that carry a top ten grade either IMO. Some on here have said Danny Shelton,but I don't think you draft a DT at 9 who would come out on 3rd down and obvious passing situations.
Malcom brown is a good player with a little pass rush ability but I don't think he's worthy of a top 10 selection either.
The Giants don't draft DT's in the first round anyway and I can't see that changing this year. Maybe if there were a player they just couldn't pass up,but there isn't one in this years draft other than Leanord Williams,and he'll be long gone.
So not only do I disagree very strongly that Parker isn't a top 10 pick,we're likely talking about him being the first receiver off the board if he doesn't break his foot and miss those 7 games.
Like Reese said last year about OBJ,when we were up and he was available,there was no discussion,Beckham was our guy.
This year Parker is likely going to be(there guy).
Unless Cooper drops to 9 somehow there should be no question who the pick is. if that happens Reese has a tough decision to make. I'd still go with Parker because the only thing Cooper has on him is route running,wich Parker has improved and will only get better with coaching.
I'm not as enamored with Kevin Whites 4.35 forty at the combine as most,as you just don't see it consistently on film. Not to mention he's a one year wonder. I'm not saying he's not going to be an excellent receiver,I'd just take Parker or Cooper over him without a second thought!!

when it became clear he wouldn't be available I had to rethink.

Brandon Scherff

Wild Card: Shane Ray

Scherff is solid in all phases and projects at a high level to 4 positions. Rare combination of overall size and elite athleticism.

Shane Ray is a tough evaluation for the Giants. We'll need to embrace some defensive flexibility to maximize his impact. If we're prepared to do that he could be the pick.

On Ray, too small for DE and he'll be a liability at OLB.

A lot a lot...

In comment 12229586 Big Blue '56 said:

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I've been enamored with Beasley and what Spags might possibly do with him(a la Von Miller and Bruce Irvin)..Still would be fine if he was the pick..

Originally I had Peat, he still would be my choice if Dupree (DE) wasn't there. I, obviously have become a huge fan of Dupree and would now select him at #9. I have "0" concerns at RB and WR while we can address OT/OG later in the draft and UFA's. That leaves us a defense which didn't measure up last year compounded by the JPP situation. JMHO.

'0' concerns at WR doesn't add up imo. Yeah we have a legit #1 in OBJ. Cruz returning to form is far from a certainty. The concerns over RR are two fold: the first being his inconsistency which he needs to lay to rest, the second being his contract status as this is his final year.

While I agree WR isn't a glaring weakness '0' concern strikes me as a cavalier attitude to hold toward one of the impact positions in the league imo.

and I seriously doubt they will take any of the hybrid DE,LBs, at least none of those weighing in at or around 245. And bulking them up may give you a different athlete.

Don't have the expertise to assess whether Peat, Collins, Or Scherff can play LT or will be career RT, or possibly a guard - but, that will be a big part of the discussion. If they draft one of those three - they start at RT and Pugh gets moved inside.

Scherf

then La'ell Collins and now back to Peat.

That couldn't be considered a "reach"? Except for maybe Todd Gurley

Don't want Ray, don't want Gregory, don't want Bud, don't want Scherff, don't want Shelton, what a shitty spot were in, I PRAY we trade back

now Randy Gregory. OL in this draft is plentiful. Only a handful of impact DL/LB tweener types available. We need a pass rusher who can play the run and that is Gregory.

In comment 12229956 OBJesus said:

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That couldn't be considered a "reach"? Except for maybe Todd Gurley Don't want Ray, don't want Gregory, don't want Bud, don't want Scherff, don't want Shelton, what a shitty spot were in, I PRAY we trade back

I don't love the value at 9 this year and would be happy with a trade. Then take Collins in the first.

Initially: Landon Collins

Now: Brandon Scherff

did you watch the combine this year? I watched the OL drills and I don't want this guy. If you TiVod it, watch the mirror drill and listen to the commentary by Sean O'Hara. I like Scherff and La'el Collins but I would pass on Peat.

Parker now.

would be one of the top DT's. Thirtieth against the run is unacceptable. Shelton or Malcom Brown would go a long way to change that. You hear the argument that Shelton is strictly a NT. IMHO. not true. He is a one technique who would excel in a 4-3. He played most of the snaps at Washington and has great lateral quickness as well as brute strength.

and scouts acknowledged. Try to not let how he looked affect your view of his actual testing results.

Scherff now. I'm assuming Cooper won't be there.

They're going to pick a playmaker or cornerstone OL, as they always do. #NYGphilosophy

Now - Gregory

Didn't like Peat but have started warming up to him. Love both WR's but doubt they get there.

but now that it looks like Shelton will be available would prefer him. O-Line sucked last year but the defense is what killed the Giants. Think it all hinges on not getting pressure up the middle to stop the run or to make the qb leave the pocket. Hankins was good but he was it on that line. When he wasn't on the field the line got driven back or stood up.

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my favorite prospect in our range for a while now. The more I see him, the more I feel confident in him. He controls people with power but has nimble feet. I can see why people aren't totally sold on him. Physically, he's not a special talent. He doesn't play "pretty". He looks a little sloppy at times. But he gets results. Over and over and over again. And I think his performance at the combine answered a lot of questions for me. He was the best OLineman at the combine in terms of positional drills. He might look sloppy at times but he moved so smoothly during those drills. I think Collins can play any position on the line, any scheme.

But recently I've moved away from "OL in the 1st". If Collins is there and we take him, I'd absolutely be cool with it. But right now I've got my eyes on pass rushers and receivers. Hoping for White or Gregory.

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He doesn't play "pretty". He looks a little sloppy at times. But he gets results. Over and over and over again

I think we had two players recently that played that way: Diehl and Seubert

:)

Now - Cooper

Now - Trade down for Maxx Williams

And now Cooper or either Collins. La'el or Landon.

In comment 12229867 raever said:

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A lot a lot...

And that does nothing to change my opinion.

Full time, two way DE that weighs 245lbs and stands 6'2.5. If there is one, I doubt there are many more, but despite the scuttle butt about the "passing league", this a league with shorter off seasons, BS OTAs and a joke of training camp. Running the ball is much easier than passing with the way defenses are terrified of the pass. A light in the pants DE added to the most horrific run defense this team has EVER had...makes no sense to me. Ray plays hard, great, he's a competitor, amazing but he's going to get tossed around like a rag doll at DE if he has any notion of stopping the run. We have a player like that already.

I don't what any guru says, Ray is too slight to be a good DE in the 4-3 and nothing anyone says will sway me.

Now I want a trade down and La'el Collins.

If Leonard Williams falls to the Raiders at 4, I call them up and see what they want

You can't teach motor or competitiveness but you can max out your frame and at 6'2" I don't see how Ray can ever be a 3 down lineman.

I've wanted one of the top DTs from the get to and that hasn't changed. Too soft in the middle. I'd be really happy with either Williams or Shelton. I don't really love any of the OTs in this draft.

Shane Ray was my intial choice

I believe it will be Gregory.

I would be the farm it's not Gregory. Guy with repeatedly failed drug screens, after the Will Hill fiasco and this is the 1st round pick. I'm not certain they'd take him w/o the drug testing issue. Too light for full time DE

not be the farm

for all the common sense reasons stated.

Smart with a much stronger 2013 season than 2014. Reese & crew are deliberately avoiding "recency bias" to take the long view on prospects.

2nd round: I am really hoping Gurley is still there.

Now - #TeamScherff

In comment 12231091 cosmicj said:

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Smart with a much stronger 2013 season than 2014. Reese & crew are deliberately avoiding "recency bias" to take the long view on prospects. 2nd round: I am really hoping Gurley is still there.

Can you see Dallas or possibly Philly taking Gurley?

no clue. This draft I think is going to provide some major surprises given the talent dearth and lack of blue chippers.

Now - Ray, if he's there

I've been saying for months that he's the best receiver in this class. he highpoints and attacks the ball better then White. He's the most explosive after the catch of the top 3 and has the highest upside.
So for those who say he's not a top 10 talent they haven't actually watched any tape,and are listening to what some others have said and repeating it.
43 catches for 855 yards in 6 games last year,for 19.9 YPC.
as a Sophmore he averaged 18.6,and in 4 years has never averaged under 16.2. He's an absolute top 10 talent at the very least!!! The Giants should be so lucky to get this kid at 9. White and Cooper likely go before him due to the injury this past season that caused him to miss 7 games,so the Giants have an excellent chance of landing him at 9.
Contrary to popular belief on here,there are no OL worth a top 15 pick let alone at 9.
Beasley is likely gone when they pick,so Unless the Giants think he can be a 3 down LB in a 43 who can put his hand in the dirt and rush on 3rd down or obvious passing downs,then he's not the choice anyway. The only other option might be Shane Ray. Once again,IMO Parker would be the higher rated player.
There's no DT's that carry a top ten grade either IMO. Some on here have said Danny Shelton,but I don't think you draft a DT at 9 who would be a 2 down run stuffer and come out on 3rd down and obvious passing situations.
Malcom brown is a good player with a little pass rush ability but I don't think he's worthy of a top 10 selection either.
The Giants don't draft DT's in the first round anyway and I can't see that changing this year. Maybe if there were a player they just couldn't pass up,but there isn't one in this years draft other than Leanord Williams,and he'll be long gone.
So not only do I disagree very strongly that Parker isn't a top 10 pick,we're likely talking about him being the first receiver off the board if he doesn't break his foot and miss those 7 games.
Like Reese said last year about OBJ,when we were up and he was available,there was no discussion,Beckham was our guy.
This year Parker is likely going to be(there guy).
Unless Cooper drops to 9 somehow there should be no question who the pick is. if that happens Reese has a tough decision to make. I'd still go with Parker because the only thing Cooper has on him is route running,wich Parker has improved and will only get better with coaching.
I'm not as enamored with Kevin Whites 4.35 forty at the combine as most,as you just don't see it consistently on film. Not to mention he's a one year wonder. I'm not saying he's not going to be an excellent receiver,I'd just take Parker or Cooper over him without a second thought!!

A simple foot fracture that's healed is a non-factor..If LisFranc, that's a different story concern-wise, imo

would be neat.

Scherff if Cooper's gone, then and now.

In comment 12232350 Phil in LA said:

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Scherff if Cooper's gone, then and now.

Do you ascribe to some of the mindsets that say he does indeed have the feet to play OLT?

that is

Choice Now: Parker, White, or Odi

Still loving Devante Parker and his AJ Green game. Really like the idea of Parker or White with Beckham for the next 5 years.

But I also have a man crush on Odi.