Your INITIAL choice at 9 and your choice NOW

I've been enamored with Beasley and what Spags might possibly do with him(a la Von Miller and Bruce Irvin)..Still would be fine if he was the pick..

I wanted Scherff becuase I wanted a high end starter for the O line. After weeks of discussion I now realize we can pick up a guard in the second round that can be that guy without much of a drop off. Now I have my hopes on either Cooper or White, or one of the primiere pass rushers.

still Cooper.

...from the get-go.

Any alternative would be another point of attack player on either side of the ball.

But never a WR at 9.

Never.

A whole lotta BBIers don't realize how weak the team is upfront.

The weakest in the NFL.

How much weaker do you want to be?

Current - La'el Collins

guy but now I'm thinking Devante Parker. My guess is that Cooper and White will be gone. Beasley is the ONLY defensive player I'd take at 9. OL is decent but I'd still take Parker ahead of them.

Now......i am open to several but would prefer a trade down

BUT playing by your rules and assuming Cooper is gone...

Probably
Initial: La'el Collins
Now: Randy Gregory (but I am still making my mind up on him, could change as more info comes out)

Now Danny Shelton.

now DL.

In comment 12229590 Jolly Blue Giant said:

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I wanted Scherff becuase I wanted a high end starter for the O line. After weeks of discussion I now realize we can pick up a guard in the second round that can be that guy without much of a drop off. Now I have my hopes on either Cooper or White, or one of the primiere pass rushers.

+ 1

But I am not too upset at Cooper, White, Shelton, or DE like Ray or Beasley. At first I just wanted oline.

He does not fit Giants scheme and I wouldn't touch a non-sub 5.5 guy.

With the signing of Ellis it becomes a totally wasted pick for 2015.

White/Cooper/Beasley/Peat/LSU Collins/Scherf in that order.

I only prefer White to Cooper because of the different from OBJ skillset that he brings.

Peat allows Pugh to LG now and takes over from Beatty in a few years. Both Collins and Scherf allow Pugh to LG now, but stay at RT.

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Ideally a trade down and DJ Humphries.

and trade down

Scherff The only game I saw with Shane Ray he got tossed .
Kinda acted like a punk .
Giants could have 3-4 players slotted at #9
I could see them trading down .

I do not generally like under-sized guys as 4-3 DE full-timers. I do not know that he can be a true LB although I admit that I am willing to project Beasley there.

I don't want a part-time specialist with the #9 pick.

But "factoring in his hypercompetitiveness could mean "prone to be a late hit and foul machine" a la Frank Walker ??

In comment 12229633 Bob in Newburgh said:

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I do not generally like under-sized guys as 4-3 DE full-timers. I do not know that he can be a true LB although I admit that I am willing to project Beasley there. I don't want a part-time specialist with the #9 pick.

Hey Bob, always great to see you posting..I too obviously know mothing about Ray or anyone else beyond what I've learned..In general, I couldn't agree more with your point(s), but when Cosell talks, I listen..Intently

In comment 12229644 Bill2 said:

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But "factoring in his hypercompetitiveness could mean "prone to be a late hit and foul machine" a la Frank Walker ??

Sheesh I would hope not..But fortunately, it's all positive toward that end with Cosell..:)

Initially, La'el Collins.

Now, Randy Gregory.

Gregory can flat out play DE. The Giants have a strong history of successfully working with players who have substance abuse issues. Sure, the record isn't 100% success stories, but it is very strong.

Regarding Collins, I've only gained more confidence in him. However, there is good value on the OL available in Rounds 2 & 3. I would have to pass on Collins if Gregory were available.

I still would pick Amari Cooper or Kevin White over anyone, especially Cooper. I don't think either will be available. The NFL is largely a copycat league. Ironically, Beckham's success (and others, but mostly Beckham) will lead many teams to prioritize WR over other positions. The Raiders will almost certainly pick a WR (or Gurley, I think) and I feel pretty certain one other team in the top 8 will as well. So, no Cooper or White at 9.

In that case, I want Gregory if he is available!

Fun thread, thank you.

Peat, Collins or Scherff.

who run blocks and pass blocks and is healthy, not rehabbing an injury.

Now, Gregory if he slips which I can see happening.

Gregory is the top Pass Rusher in this class who can take over games, no way do you let him get past you if he is there at 9.

I feel confident the Giants can straighten the kid out, he doesn't have a bad track record/ history, to me it just seems immaturity which I think Gregory has admitted himself. If any team can straighten this kid out it is the Giants with Coughlin, and e is just way to good to pass up, I never thought we had a chance at him.

and it still remains the same. I don't buy most of the top of this draft is that great. I would love to pair Cooper with this team but I am not a big buyer in these pass rushers.

The best WR left.

Hopefully Cooper but Parker would be fine.

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Bowen (Bleacher Report): Which Prospects Have Scouts Buzzing in Run-Up to NFL Draft? "Brandon Scherff, OT/OG, Iowa Scherff has been a first-round prospect since the beginning of the 2014 college season, but the scouts I talk to now see him as a going 10th-15th overall, especially after he put his athletic ability on display at Iowa's pro day in the change-of-direction testing."

Thanks Defenderdawg for this

Best available DE, WR, or LT.

Since the first two figure to be gone, I'm looking at Peat and then Scherff.

that the OT's will be BPA at #9, pending a surprise pick ahead of us that enables a prospect to slip.

I was torn between Shelton and Scherff

Now I think Peat makes the most sense as we have no depth at tackle and Peat is a pure tackle

I don't want us to take a skill position player as they have the most risk and the shortest NFL lifespan

I found that worked for me last year.. so I am sticking with it. I dont have any idea who the Giants want and players seem to be "rising" in the last few weeks. I dont think they are actually rising.. I think that teams are starting to assemble their draft boards and info is getting out there..

The more I read, I allowed myself to be convinced Collins or Schreff was our best choice. Now, I've come full circle & believe Peat is our best bet to plug in initially at RT & then moving to LT when Beatty leaves!

Now, 1a - Beasley, 1b - Shelton

In comment 12229663 JonC said:

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that the OT's will be BPA at #9, pending a surprise pick ahead of us that enables a prospect to slip.

Jon, as an aside, would you be in favor of a trade-up for Williams or would the cost be too prohibitive given we need all the picks we can get..And out of curiosity what do you think it would take to get him?

He's the best player in this draft. I haven't looked at a chart to calculate the cost, but it's going to be heavy.

with a huge heart. But, they must be damned certain he can physically hold up at DE, or have a plan to deploy him off th edge. Otherwise, picking a tweener at #9 is damned dangerous, Beasley et al included.

quite highly of Ray through this entire process

you better get your bonafide pass rusher early. They might be gone by the end of round one early round 2....

Choice Now: DeVante Parker.

In comment 12229700 blueblood said:

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you better get your bonafide pass rusher early. They might be gone by the end of round one early round 2....

I've noticed that as well..Good point

Is that for a guy who seems rather slight in build, he is ultra competitive with the ball in the air and is very tough to bring down after the catch.

Really like Devante. Would mesh well with Cruz and Odell.

Giants think about Parker..

Brandon Scherff, but would not be disappointed with Danny Shelton.

Gregory now

Brandon Scherff now

I would be in favor of a trade down if none of the following are available:

Williams
Cooper
Beasley
DFJ
Scherff
White

Now i am torn between safety collins or OL. We need a lot of help on defense. I do not want a WR with the 1st pick.

Then - Danny Shelton

Now - Shane Ray/Randy Gregory (if both there then Ray)

I still think trading down is a realistic option based on the way this draft is set up. If Cooper/White is available at 9 I would sell this pick off to the highest bidder. Corner is another position where we are relatively strong and this draft is relatively weak. It's possible someone wants to move up and grab Waynes.

If we stay put, I want one of the pass-rushers. I agree that OL is a huge need for us as well, but I feel we can still get a starter at 40. If you look at our defensive personnel there is a serious lack of talent. Also, our best player, who is wildly inconsistent is playing on a franchise tag. DLINE FIRST PICK.

Now Brandon Scherff.

Would be very happy with either. As much as i would like a pass rusher, I think the 3-4 guys are really risky at #9