Drafting Will Beatty's successor. Is it a must this year?

But if the value is there, you don't let Will Beatty prevent you from taking one. That goes for any point during the draft.

but I agree.

Key now is to find a plug and play LG with versatility to play one of the tackle spots in the future.

Hopefully, that player can be found in the first 2 rounds.

And finding an elite LT (who also can play RT) is one of toughest positions to find outside of top round 1. It can be done but percentages are lower than other positions.

If they think Peat is that guy , I'm all for.it

Do they believe WB is a viable long term LT? My guess is the answer is no.

Do they believe Pugh is a better fit at LG? My guess is yes.

This leads me to believe Peat makes sense as a RT in year 1 and LT in year 2 and beyond. No other LT prospect in this draft is a year 1 starter at RT and LT going forward (Clemmings is too raw in year 1 and Flowers may never have the feet to play LT and Fisher much like Beatty is a LT only).

Not a Beatty fan. I want a solid left tackle for the next 10 years, who doesn't? Beatty in 2014 was better than 2013, but was that a very low bar? I do acknowledge he had a better bounce back season coming back from a broken leg in 14. Is it a must? No. I wouldn't mind him playing another year (or two?) if the Giants can get one of those top players at another position.

and I think that's where the value will lead them at #9.

will be there at #9, though stranger things have happened. I heard a couple weeks ago that NYG has been pouring a lot of scouting resources into OL prospects, and that Peat was the "frontrunner" at #9, which was before Flowers' and Scherff's pro-day workouts. With Peat's upside at LT, and questions if the others can play LT in the NFL, I believe he'll remain their top OL prospect on draft night.

is no.

what the "plan" is for this team....does this team think it can compete this year for the SB, or is the the real push in 2016? And of course, what is available at #9 and #40....

The fact is, Eli's window is closing....this OL has to be fixed....

I'd rather have LT prospect in D.J. Humphries and a true G, someone like Laken Tomlinson, then a Brandon Scherff or La’el Collins who are Tackles but might project better as Guards, but you are paying the Tackle price tag.

I also like the DE value in round 2 as well as the WR. Wish we had about 5 selections in the second round!

it's more about the future.

You draft a left tackle this year, where do you put Beatty?

are normally very low.

Drafting an OT at #9 might be a player good enough to start at RT right away this year, and kick Pugh inside to LG, effectively addressing two positions in the manner I suspect they want.

eg, Peat at RT, Pugh at LG and move forward.

Then, they'd need to find a RT prospect to backfill once WB is moved out and Peat is kicked to LT.

Not optimal for continuity, but it rarely is optimal in reality anyway.

as others have pointed out we haven't had to many
top ten picks LT are Valuable and essential .
If they Feel Peat or Collins or anyone else fits.
I think you have to take him . God forbid if we
Have a starter or two go down .
Seems many here are under rating this draft .
I don't remember anyone screaming for OBJ last year .
WEhave to be able to run the ball and convert short
yardage .

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1. Is WB looking close to the end?
2. Do they see someone this year they are confident is a replacement(BS, LC,AP,+)?
3. Does team think there is one in this draft(Flowers?) that can be developed, say, rd 2 or 3?
4. Does team think there is one in next offseason FA they can sign?
5. Does team think next years class will be deep, or deep enough, to think they can get one wherever they draft next year?
And likely another 5 questions.
I've been pushing OL for this draft @9, especially a roadgrader,like Scherff but now unsure of his pass-pro; if NYFG feel he can, he's the pick IMO and if some other OL that can develop both ways, I'm good with that. That said, in a worse case scenario, I'd like them to pick one in the 2nd round if not at 9, to at least see if the pick is developing, and if not, try again in next years draft.

Someone we can put at RT, and then move to LT after Beatty. This could be Peat, Scherff, Collins, etc. I'm to the point where I would be happy with however the Giants brass think is the best player. All of these guys will be long gone by pick #2, so I say take the best one of the bunch and move on.

and then a G at #40.

Pugh had a big step back regardless of his injuries last year. Pugh and Beatty are never going to a probowl. The amount of tackles who excel after 30 are few and far between. Never mind a guy who has never been dominant.

So do the Giants really have a choice but to find a T? Newhouse has been a failure so him as the back up is very Charles Brown like. Schwartz may be the 3rd tackle of thats the case

In comment 12230891 LauderdaleMatty said:

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Pugh had a big step back regardless of his injuries last year. Pugh and Beatty are never going to a probowl. The amount of tackles who excel after 30 are few and far between. Never mind a guy who has never been dominant. So do the Giants really have a choice but to find a T? Newhouse has been a failure so him as the back up is very Charles Brown like. Schwartz may be the 3rd tackle of thats the case

Matty, no regardless, it was because he played with one arm most of the year..You know how limiting that might be my friend..

In comment 12230481 Sy'56 said:

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But if the value is there, you don't let Will Beatty prevent you from taking one. That goes for any point during the draft.

Same here. Beatty is plenty good enough if the pieces around him improve and are working. We don't need to replace him right now but you'll always want to upgrade if possible.

But at #9 no one viewed as a future LT will likely be good enough value to pass on a playmaker elsewhere (to the OP's point). IMO Beatty is towards the bottom of our problems heading into 2015.

so if you think he's good enough then no.

the trickle down (hopefully) is

better play at RT, LG and the ultimate replacement at LT

That if Pugh is still on the roster after this season, the Giants believe he is Beatty's successor at LT.

If LT is the best value at #9, grab him. Beatty's 30 and serviceable, but you upgrade when the rare opportunities present themselves. The #9 pick may do exactly that.

Would you sign up for Beatty for another few seasons over a player with a potentially much higher floor and ceiling? Not me.

I wish there were a blue chip 4-3 DE sitting there for us, but alas ...

and has stated that he has no desire to move and has further stated that he's irritated with all this fan-base talk of moving him, I continue to think that the Giants need a RT more than a LT for the sake of the running game. I have no idea how the Giants view the situation. Draft day will be interesting, as always.

In comment 12230897 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 12230891 LauderdaleMatty said: Quote: Pugh had a big step back regardless of his injuries last year. Pugh and Beatty are never going to a probowl. The amount of tackles who excel after 30 are few and far between. Never mind a guy who has never been dominant. So do the Giants really have a choice but to find a T? Newhouse has been a failure so him as the back up is very Charles Brown like. Schwartz may be the 3rd tackle of thats the case Matty, no regardless, it was because he played with one arm most of the year..You know how limiting that might be my friend..

56 he wasn't playing well before the arm. Of course the arm really limited him but I don't see him as a sure fire long term starter He also was OK as a rookie. Not the heights people seem to want to put him. Also there's been plenty of talk of moving him to G from inside the organization. Add to that Beatty's age and they need a T pretty badly IMO.

will be gone, as we're really only talking about the top WR or two, and if they desperately want a true DE then it's what appears to be a reach for Dupree or Odi or?

At 9.

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far too stiff and gets beaten/loses containment far too often for my liking has the weight and build but just dont think he has the skills or athletisms to be a good nfl OT (either right or left tackle)

give me la'el collins who could play LT ,RT or any of the guard spots if needed start him at RT shift pugh inside to guard and run behind the right side on the OL again as they did behind snee

then next year is they think beatty isnt good enough/too expensive they have a ready made standby to take over at LT and pugh goes back to RT again or they draft a RT which is far easier to do

take either carl davis or Odighizuwa in round 2 and with luck take ali marpet in round 3 to finish the OL rebuild and help if the decide to move on from beatty next year