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Headhunter : 4/14/2015 1:20 pm
Should be fun with a pumped up crowd
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He's only a SS  
Giants2012 : 4/14/2015 10:36 pm : link
B/c the 3rd baseman makes a fortune and they want his bat in this weak lineup.
The 3rd baseman is the best hitter on the team.  
arcarsenal : 4/14/2015 10:39 pm : link
He just can't stay healthy. He's not just playing because he makes a lot of money.

They want to see if Flores can man SS or not. It was obvious when Tejada got his start at 2B. Alderson pretty clearly made it known to Collins that Flores is going to play SS every day for some amount of time and I don't see them abandoning that now.
Silver lining  
sshin05 : 4/14/2015 10:40 pm : link
flo will hit higher in the lineup and so will Travis.
Collins LOL'd at the 4 man bench not being enough..  
arcarsenal : 4/14/2015 10:42 pm : link
"We're doing good enough aren't we? Heheh!"

This guy is such a fucking dope.
Best hitter on the team my tail  
Giants2012 : 4/14/2015 10:43 pm : link
The kid isn't a SS and everybody worth their salt knows it. The team has nothing at the position so they put Flores there b/c of his bat. If any lother SS could hit their weight Flores would be off SS.
If DWs injury is severe enough  
sshin05 : 4/14/2015 10:45 pm : link
dl him and call up Campbell
Duda is the only other guy you can make an argument for.  
arcarsenal : 4/14/2015 10:47 pm : link
There is no other player on this team who is as good a hitter as David Wright and it's not even debatable.

If everyone knew Flores couldn't play SS at all, he wouldn't be there right now. They'd be hoping for replacement level with Tejada or have fast tracked Reynolds a bit.

If he hits the way they think he can, it'll be worth it. They're not going to jump ship on it 9 games into the year.
Gary Apple just called Matt Harvey the Black Knight  
PhiPsi125 : 4/14/2015 10:47 pm : link
lol
Listening to Collins  
Rflairr : 4/14/2015 10:52 pm : link
It sounds like the Wright injury is serious.

Just can't count on Wright to stay healthy
Thought you meant 3rd base in general  
Giants2012 : 4/14/2015 10:54 pm : link
Yes, Wright is likely the best hitter if not Murphy. Regardless, put Flores on a different team and he's a 3rd baseman. He's not a SS and eveybody besides a few knows that. Not putting Flores at SS means what? The Mets will still hope his bat produces? Don't tell me you really believe his range and glove to the side is going to improve. This is as good as his defense is going to get and that's not very good.
Collins made it sound like Wright's leg was hanging  
PhiPsi125 : 4/14/2015 10:55 pm : link
off his body...yet Wright stayed in the game at first and then briskly walked off the field and down the steps on his own power with just a slight limp. Weird game all the way until the end.

Hopefully its not THAT serious.
His glove hasn't really been the issue.  
arcarsenal : 4/14/2015 10:58 pm : link
For whatever reason he's made bad throws to 1B.. which is out of the ordinary because he has a good arm and has been pretty accurate in the past. He's a young kid who is probably nervous and putting an insane amount of pressure on himself. He was adequate in the field last year when he started getting regular PT. If he hits, his defense won't be the end of the world.

Ian Desmond has been an absolute joke defensively so far this year.. I don't foresee him losing his place anytime soon because he can hit.
RE: Thought you meant 3rd base in general  
PhiPsi125 : 4/14/2015 10:58 pm : link
In comment 12233482 Giants2012 said:
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Yes, Wright is likely the best hitter if not Murphy. Regardless, put Flores on a different team and he's a 3rd baseman. He's not a SS and eveybody besides a few knows that. Not putting Flores at SS means what? The Mets will still hope his bat produces? Don't tell me you really believe his range and glove to the side is going to improve. This is as good as his defense is going to get and that's not very good.


Honestly, again with the range? Holy fucking shit. Outside of a couple of plays that really only outstanding shortstops get to, what the hell are you seeing that we are not? That one bad game aside, what games has he lost for the Mets because of his "bad range"?

Are you just regurgitating the ignorant media bullshit that they all seem to be reporting from the same 5 year old scouting report?
Nervous lol  
Giants2012 : 4/14/2015 11:03 pm : link
Who the heck gets nervous on a routine GB and throw? A SS can do it with his eyes closed. He's not a SS.
Despite 10 total baserunners in his first two starts  
sshin05 : 4/14/2015 11:04 pm : link
harveys whip is still under 1
RE: Nervous lol  
PhiPsi125 : 4/14/2015 11:05 pm : link
In comment 12233490 Giants2012 said:
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Who the heck gets nervous on a routine GB and throw? A SS can do it with his eyes closed. He's not a SS.


Well, you can't argue with stupid...and you are proving that in spades right now.

I don't know where you came from but I wish you would go back there.
RE: Despite 10 total baserunners in his first two starts  
PhiPsi125 : 4/14/2015 11:06 pm : link
In comment 12233491 sshin05 said:
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harveys whip is still under 1


It's funny that this is a "bad" start for Harvey.

Larger than life.
RE: Nervous lol  
sshin05 : 4/14/2015 11:07 pm : link
In comment 12233490 Giants2012 said:
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Who the heck gets nervous on a routine GB and throw? A SS can do it with his eyes closed. He's not a SS.


With only 8 games this season, you have to give him more of a chance to fail. Unless ur some baseball expert or scout.
Kershaw's WHIP is 1.70 and ERA is 5.84  
PhiPsi125 : 4/14/2015 11:09 pm : link
Haha, he sux
RE: Nervous lol  
arcarsenal : 4/14/2015 11:10 pm : link
In comment 12233490 Giants2012 said:
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Who the heck gets nervous on a routine GB and throw? A SS can do it with his eyes closed. He's not a SS.


Gee, I don't know.. maybe a fucking 23 year old kid playing baseball in front of tens of thousands of people on television at a position he hasn't had much experience playing since he was a kid?

These are people, not robots. Nerves are a part of sports. There are 10 million examples of baseball players who have had the yips and struggled with routine shit for a time. It happens.

Though, considering who I'm arguing with.. I wouldn't expect you to know that.
RE: RE: Nervous lol  
Giants2012 : 4/14/2015 11:11 pm : link
In comment 12233494 sshin05 said:
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Who the heck gets nervous on a routine GB and throw? A SS can do it with his eyes closed. He's not a SS.



With only 8 games this season, you have to give him more of a chance to fail. Unless ur some baseball expert or scout.


The experts and scout had him pegged as a 3rd baseman. The Mets themselves moved to 3rd in 2012. Even the novices should know that. Not to mention, he's been take off SS on multiple occassions since the age if 16 if you haven't been paying attention outisde of 8 RG games.
RE: RE: Nervous lol  
Giants2012 : 4/14/2015 11:14 pm : link
In comment 12233497 arcarsenal said:
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Who the heck gets nervous on a routine GB and throw? A SS can do it with his eyes closed. He's not a SS.



Gee, I don't know.. maybe a fucking 23 year old kid playing baseball in front of tens of thousands of people on television at a position he hasn't had much experience playing since he was a kid?

These are people, not robots. Nerves are a part of sports. There are 10 million examples of baseball players who have had the yips and struggled with routine shit for a time. It happens.

Though, considering who I'm arguing with.. I wouldn't expect you to know that.



The only thing you got correct is "you don't know" followed by the daily meltown. He's been playing SS on and off since the age of 16. Not that you would know that either.
He played SS for 4 years in the Mets organization when he first arrive  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2015 11:16 pm : link
He was moved off the position and then moved back and has been there for well over a year now. I don't know why this is such a phenomenon.
DW  
sphinx : 4/14/2015 11:20 pm : link
Adam Rubin
David Wright sounds prepared to go on DL. Will have MRI in morning. Says missing 2 weeks preferable to pushing through, causing major issue.


Eric Campbell summoned to NY

RE: RE: RE: Nervous lol  
sshin05 : 4/14/2015 11:24 pm : link
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Who the heck gets nervous on a routine GB and throw? A SS can do it with his eyes closed. He's not a SS.



Gee, I don't know.. maybe a fucking 23 year old kid playing baseball in front of tens of thousands of people on television at a position he hasn't had much experience playing since he was a kid?

These are people, not robots. Nerves are a part of sports. There are 10 million examples of baseball players who have had the yips and struggled with routine shit for a time. It happens.

Though, considering who I'm arguing with.. I wouldn't expect you to know that.




The only thing you got correct is "you don't know" followed by the daily meltown. He's been playing SS on and off since the age of 16. Not that you would know that either.


We don't know how well he will play SS but we know his bat has always play in that position. Players who has his numbers in the minors more than not have done well in the majors.
RE: DW  
sshin05 : 4/14/2015 11:28 pm : link
In comment 12233507 sphinx said:
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Adam Rubin
David Wright sounds prepared to go on DL. Will have MRI in morning. Says missing 2 weeks preferable to pushing through, causing major issue.


Eric Campbell summoned to NY


If they dl dw now, he can technically be back before May. Most likely give him 2-3 games in the minors before deactivating him.
RE: RE: RE: Nervous lol  
arcarsenal : 4/14/2015 11:31 pm : link
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Who the heck gets nervous on a routine GB and throw? A SS can do it with his eyes closed. He's not a SS.



Gee, I don't know.. maybe a fucking 23 year old kid playing baseball in front of tens of thousands of people on television at a position he hasn't had much experience playing since he was a kid?

These are people, not robots. Nerves are a part of sports. There are 10 million examples of baseball players who have had the yips and struggled with routine shit for a time. It happens.

Though, considering who I'm arguing with.. I wouldn't expect you to know that.




The only thing you got correct is "you don't know" followed by the daily meltown. He's been playing SS on and off since the age of 16. Not that you would know that either.


Uh, he was moved off SS in the minors after 2011. He didn't play there at all in 2012 or 2013. Nothing I said was inaccurate. He was 19 years old in 2011 and until last season, he literally did not play there at all. He was moved to 2B and 3B.

Good effort, though. One day you'll contribute something interesting or insightful to a Met thread.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Nervous lol  
Giants2012 : 4/14/2015 11:36 pm : link
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Who the heck gets nervous on a routine GB and throw? A SS can do it with his eyes closed. He's not a SS.



Gee, I don't know.. maybe a fucking 23 year old kid playing baseball in front of tens of thousands of people on television at a position he hasn't had much experience playing since he was a kid?

These are people, not robots. Nerves are a part of sports. There are 10 million examples of baseball players who have had the yips and struggled with routine shit for a time. It happens.

Though, considering who I'm arguing with.. I wouldn't expect you to know that.




The only thing you got correct is "you don't know" followed by the daily meltown. He's been playing SS on and off since the age of 16. Not that you would know that either.



Uh, he was moved off SS in the minors after 2011. He didn't play there at all in 2012 or 2013. Nothing I said was inaccurate. He was 19 years old in 2011 and until last season, he literally did not play there at all. He was moved to 2B and 3B.

Good effort, though. One day you'll contribute something interesting or insightful to a Met thread.


Wrong again and despite being a huge fan of yourself perhaps you might consider posting some accurate information rather than whining at others daily. You've become the Crosby of BBI with all the whining.
Cambell is literally  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2015 11:37 pm : link
scorching hot hitting .550. I hope he gets the immediate start tomorrow and he's not riding pine for the likes of Tejada.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Nervous lol  
arcarsenal : 4/14/2015 11:47 pm : link
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Who the heck gets nervous on a routine GB and throw? A SS can do it with his eyes closed. He's not a SS.



Gee, I don't know.. maybe a fucking 23 year old kid playing baseball in front of tens of thousands of people on television at a position he hasn't had much experience playing since he was a kid?

These are people, not robots. Nerves are a part of sports. There are 10 million examples of baseball players who have had the yips and struggled with routine shit for a time. It happens.

Though, considering who I'm arguing with.. I wouldn't expect you to know that.




The only thing you got correct is "you don't know" followed by the daily meltown. He's been playing SS on and off since the age of 16. Not that you would know that either.



Uh, he was moved off SS in the minors after 2011. He didn't play there at all in 2012 or 2013. Nothing I said was inaccurate. He was 19 years old in 2011 and until last season, he literally did not play there at all. He was moved to 2B and 3B.

Good effort, though. One day you'll contribute something interesting or insightful to a Met thread.



Wrong again and despite being a huge fan of yourself perhaps you might consider posting some accurate information rather than whining at others daily. You've become the Crosby of BBI with all the whining.


Ah, the village idiot strikes again. Where did Wilmer Flores play SS in 2012 or 2013? Would love to know.
Whatever you guess at Crosby  
Giants2012 : 4/14/2015 11:51 pm : link
Learn to read #87. Clearly posted above

>>>The experts and scout had him pegged as a 3rd baseman. The Mets themselves moved to 3rd in 2012. Even the novices should know that. Not to mention, he's been take off SS on multiple occassions since the age if 16 if you haven't been paying attention outisde of 8 RG games.<<<

Enjoy your meltdown
Quoting your own nonsense? LOL..  
arcarsenal : 4/15/2015 12:01 am : link
You can't even construct a string of simple, grammatically correct sentences.

I'm afraid I just cannot take you seriously. (Not that anyone on these threads does)

Nothing I posted was "wrong"

Until last season, he hadn't played SS since he was a 19 year old kid. Hence, he doesn't have all that much recent experience there... which was kind of my point. Unsurprisingly, you're just as bad at understanding English as you are speaking/typing it.

Now I remember why I intended on ignoring you.
Crosby  
Giants2012 : 4/15/2015 12:14 am : link
You're wrong. Your theories about "he's nervous" blah, blah, blah is your bias nonsense. Did you even play the game beyond Little League? You don't sound like you understand the game as your bias tantrums have more to do with emotion b/c the kid simply wears a Mets uniform. Myself and many love the kid like F-Mart but put down the kool aid. He's not a SS despite your Crosby tantrum and it's not nerves. A SS can field and throw in his sleep much like a CF glides back for a ball or takes his first step back on a ball hit right at him. Not that you demonstrate you know much besides reciting where the play occurred (impressive acumen)and pulling a Crosby with others while praising yourself for bias reasons.
I went to the game.  
NyquistX3 : 4/15/2015 1:13 am : link
The place was about to explode after Harvey got to 2 strikes on Utley.
Injuries are killing this team already  
ZGiants98 : 4/15/2015 8:38 am : link
So frustrating.
RE: Crosby  
arcarsenal : 4/15/2015 8:40 am : link
In comment 12233545 Giants2012 said:
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You're wrong. Your theories about "he's nervous" blah, blah, blah is your bias nonsense. Did you even play the game beyond Little League? You don't sound like you understand the game as your bias tantrums have more to do with emotion b/c the kid simply wears a Mets uniform. Myself and many love the kid like F-Mart but put down the kool aid. He's not a SS despite your Crosby tantrum and it's not nerves. A SS can field and throw in his sleep much like a CF glides back for a ball or takes his first step back on a ball hit right at him. Not that you demonstrate you know much besides reciting where the play occurred (impressive acumen)and pulling a Crosby with others while praising yourself for bias reasons.


I think "biased" is the word you're looking for. Try using the phrase correctly before putting it in yet another nonsensical paragraph 10 times. You sound like even more of a moron than you already are. Again simple English is quite the struggle for the simple mind. No surprises here.

If you don't think nerves and pressure are a part of sports, I don't know what to tell you. Only thousands of athletes who have actually played the game have revealed that and it's just common sense. Flores is perfectly capable of throwing the ball to first base. He's done it thousands of times.

How long was Knoblauch in baseball before he started sailing throws to 1B like it was his job? That was a guy with a Gold Glove on his resume and numerous All-Star appearances. "Not a SS", though.. right?
Leave it to the phillies to make a Harvey start an  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/15/2015 8:48 am : link
unwatchable and bad game
well at least the news on Cuddyer and Flores...  
Italianju : 4/15/2015 8:53 am : link
was positive. More Cuddyer i guess since we assumed Flores was ok since he stayed in the game. Hopefully by being smart with this Wright can just miss a couple weeks, that said i feel like he is going to miss more then that.
Nothing to see here...  
arcarsenal : 4/15/2015 8:55 am : link
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Nationals third baseman Ryan Zimmerman, a Gold Glove Award recipient in 2009, made four throwing errors in a five-game span in April. His manager, Davey Johnson, attempted to pin the problem on Zimmerman's surgically repaired shoulder. Zimmerman, however, deflected that excuse and hinted that the issue was a mental one.
"People make errors. It's going to happen again before the year is over," Zimmerman said. "Everyone is going to make errors. It's part of the game. Nobody wants it to happen. Of course, you feel bad. You play baseball long enough, that kind of stuff happens. It's part of the game. If you let it consume you, that's what gets you."


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Tyner witnessed pitcher Matt Garza, then his teammate in Tampa Bay, struggle to complete ordinary throws to first base.
"If you bunted on him, he's throwing it down the right-field line," Tyner said. "It wasn't even close. You'd see him over on a back field working on it and it'd look like a 6-year-old trying to throw to first base. He could throw 95 mph wherever he wants to the batter, but he could not throw the ball to first base."


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Indians closer Chris Perez has seen infielders and pitchers alike demonstrate symptoms of the Yips, with their minds only getting in their way.
"They're telling themselves before it's hit, 'Don't throw it in the dirt,'" Perez said. "And of course, they throw it right in the dirt."


No way a mental hurdle could have been getting in the way of a 23 year old kid's fielding with limited experience even though he's demonstrated in the past that he's perfectly capable of adequately fielding the position.

LOL.

Just something I made up... - ( New Window )
I disagree  
Headhunter : 4/15/2015 8:59 am : link
I found it a bad game that was highly entertaining. Guys hit by a pitch that weren't, catcher's interference that wasn't , Cuddyer gets hurt and the first play his replacement makes is the number 1 defensive highlight of the night. Utley who took out someone in a borderline dirty slide a couple of years ago got drilled and stared down by Harvey. Ryan Howard showing the athleticism of a cadaver. Familia making it interesting before closing the door. Davis Wright teaching Little Leaguers how not to slide. Terry Collins appeals a play that is not appeal able and ices Matt Harvey. Terry Collins gets thrown out. The Mets win
Well at least the lineup  
ZGiants98 : 4/15/2015 9:00 am : link
was together for one whole week! Too bad most of them were ice cold during said week!
Cuddyer getting hurt pisses me off  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/15/2015 9:04 am : link
especially since it seemed like he was warming up.

That kind of sapped the fun out of the game.
That's the point where  
ZGiants98 : 4/15/2015 9:08 am : link
I started to get pissed off too. Especially since it happened after Flores had already got hit.

I really want to sweep this fuckers tonight now. Fuck last night.
RE: I disagree  
ZGiants98 : 4/15/2015 9:19 am : link
In comment 12233654 Headhunter said:
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I found it a bad game that was highly entertaining. Guys hit by a pitch that weren't, catcher's interference that wasn't , Cuddyer gets hurt and the first play his replacement makes is the number 1 defensive highlight of the night. Utley who took out someone in a borderline dirty slide a couple of years ago got drilled and stared down by Harvey. Ryan Howard showing the athleticism of a cadaver. Familia making it interesting before closing the door. Davis Wright teaching Little Leaguers how not to slide. Terry Collins appeals a play that is not appeal able and ices Matt Harvey. Terry Collins gets thrown out. The Mets win


Dont forget Recker playing 3rd! lol
It looks  
Metnut : 4/15/2015 9:20 am : link
like none of the injuries are serious, so nothing to panic about. The Nats are dealing with a lot of injuries to their line up (and Zimmerman and Strasburg looking like dogshit).

Hopefully Wright can avoid the DL and play vs Florida this weekend, but it looks like they are going to keep him out for 2 weeks as a precaution. It's nice to see Duda and D'Arnaud hitting.

I didn't think Niese looked too good in his first outing. Would love to see a strong outing from him against a bad Philly team. Win tonight, split the Gee/Colon games vs FLA, and win the DeGrom/Harvey games and we are off and running!
Say what you want about the game  
Shecky : 4/15/2015 9:22 am : link
But you can't deny it was an exciting game to watch. Memorable. The stadium was rocking, and the fans were rewarded. When was the last time a Mets game felt like that in the regular season???
RE: Say what you want about the game  
Metnut : 4/15/2015 9:24 am : link
In comment 12233688 Shecky said:
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But you can't deny it was an exciting game to watch. Memorable. The stadium was rocking, and the fans were rewarded. When was the last time a Mets game felt like that in the regular season???


Crowd was great last night. I was at opening day and they were good too, but last night was something else. If this team can string some wins together early on this season, the place will be jumping this summer.
I saw the game until Harvey exited, glad to see they won but it's  
Eric on Li : 4/15/2015 9:31 am : link
a gut shot to hear Wright got hurt too. Gotta shut him and Cuddyer down and just give them as long as they need to get healthy. I'm sure Campbell is the likely replacement at 3B since he got off to a hot start in AAA and there's now a gaping RH hole in the lineup. I'd also consider putting Murphy at 3B and bringing up Reynolds to play 2B. I'm guessing we'll see mostly Tejada/Cambell though, and maybe they also bring up Muno?

Not sure how I'd adjust the lineup in light of both injuries. I think I'd start by moving Lagares up to the 2 hole. You could move Granderson into the middle to be more of a run producer, but then you run into problems trying to break up all the lefty bats in the middle of the lineup. Granderson - Lagares - Duda - TdA - Murphy - Mayberry isn't terrible. Mayberry/Kirk platoon won't kill them.

I guess the good news is they weren't hitting much anyways and good teams find a way to win?
Crosby  
Giants2012 : 4/15/2015 10:09 am : link
First person, your "bias" opinion that Flores is nervous based on the crowd size doesn't justify why he pulled off of SS in 2012 in front of a small crowds in the minors. When you're in a hole, stop digging. Reaching for Knoblauch analogies is sad.
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arcarsenal : 4/15/2015 10:13 am : link
He didn't play SS in 2012 in the minors. And again, your post makes no sense. Shocker...

Anything else you want to be wrong about?
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