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NJ.com: Scherff is '100% a guard' and isn't Zack Martin

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/14/2015 7:55 pm
"So I know the comparison has been made a lot to Zack Martin and a lot of people have kicked that around," former NFL scout and current NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah said Monday on a pre-draft conference call with the media. "For me, I thought Zack had better feet and, taking even last year Brandon at his best, I thought Zack was more fluid in his ability to redirect and I thought there was a debate to be had about before Zack could play tackle at the next level.

"I know Brandon is 100 percent a guard. He can be a great guard. He reminds me of Marshall Yanda, who we drafted in Baltimore, who made that switch inside and has been a fantastic pro. I don't quite see the same agility, athletic ability [with Scherff that] I saw with Zack Martin."
Ex-NFL scout: Potential Giants draft pick Brandon Scherff is '100% a guard' and isn't Zack Martin - ( New Window )
2 things  
OBJesus : 4/14/2015 7:57 pm : link
I've been trying to preach
hips don't lie  
chris r : 4/14/2015 8:01 pm : link
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RE: hips don't lie  
OBJesus : 4/14/2015 8:04 pm : link
In comment 12233169 chris r said:
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Lol never thought a shakira reference could be applied to football, nicely done
What's the % on La'el  
BlueManFu : 4/14/2015 8:06 pm : link
As a G vs T? If neither of these guys project as a pro T, you cannot draft them at 9 (IMO)
Daniel Jeremiah  
Joey in VA : 4/14/2015 8:07 pm : link
Also said the Giants like to frequently use high picks on the OL. Yeah once every 11 years we use a 1st or 2nd on an OL.
Scherff  
Phil in LA : 4/14/2015 8:12 pm : link
got hurt in the second game. The better tape is from the year before, and he can probably play 4 positions.
I heard a comparison today between the two and this held more weight  
robbieballs2003 : 4/14/2015 8:13 pm : link
Both played LT in college but Martin was projected to guard because of his size and length as opposed to his ability. He has the feet and pass blocking ability to be a LT. Scherff has the physical make-up to play LT but he is projected to G because of his play. That is a huge difference.
If you look at the mocks for the last  
mrvax : 4/14/2015 8:17 pm : link
several years you saw 3-4 top 10 Oline guys rated and selected that high. I just don't see it this year. If the Giants go Oline in round 1, to me it will be a need pick.

They've picked need (Ross, Nicks, WIlson, Pugh) and they've pick pure BPA (Kiwanuka, Jason Pierre-Paul, Prince Amukamara). The other recent picks seemed to be a match for both.
RE: Daniel Jeremiah  
djm : 4/14/2015 8:20 pm : link
In comment 12233177 Joey in VA said:
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Also said the Giants like to frequently use high picks on the OL. Yeah once every 11 years we use a 1st or 2nd on an OL.


I count 4. Snee, Beatty, Pugh and richburg. But I still kind of agree that OL is not exactly a position that Reese tends to overdraft early on. From 04-2012 only twice did Reese zero in on OL but the last two years two more premium picks spent on OL. Necessity has forced Reese's hand it would appear.
We passed on Martin  
Big Rick in FL : 4/14/2015 8:20 pm : link
Who is a better player at a later pick. Can't see us taking Scherff at 9. If we take OL (Which I don't think we will) I think it will be somebody who is going to be a LT eventually.
True we passed on Martin  
djm : 4/14/2015 8:24 pm : link
But last year's draft was loaded with star power where as this one, the Giants may not have the array of choices available to them so scherff may be good value. With that said if they view him as a guard I don't think they take him. They'd take the safety before the guard even if it's considered a reach and I wouldn't blame them.
And no  
djm : 4/14/2015 8:25 pm : link
I don't think they take the safety. Just saying...
I sometimes wonder whether  
barens : 4/14/2015 8:39 pm : link
this years surprise high draft pick(or one of many), may be Jake Fischer. Im not saying he should the Giants pick, but I wonder if he's going to be one of the top OL taken.
Not too long ago didn't Mayock say that according to him  
Jay on the Island : 4/14/2015 8:50 pm : link
Scherff had the same grade as Martin did last year but Scherff is a better OT than Martin?
I think the giants are going  
Earl the goat : 4/14/2015 8:55 pm : link
Wide receiver or defensive line. It just seems like the value isn't there at 9 for offensive line and that a quality lineman can be had in 2-3-4
Neither of  
Old Dirty Beckham : 4/14/2015 9:03 pm : link
Those things assuming they are fact should take him out of contention
another Raanan special  
B in ALB : 4/14/2015 9:14 pm : link
Dude knows next to nothing about football other than what he cherry picks as quotes from former scouts. Congratulations. Great job. Thanks though. I was looking for something to help me sleep.
And Bo Jackson, Deon Sanders, and John Elway were 100%  
Marty in Albany : 4/14/2015 9:24 pm : link
football players and 0% baseball players. Yeah, right.
this shit is ridiculous  
B in ALB : 4/14/2015 9:33 pm : link
can't stand "reports" that claim to have some sort of inside knowledge about the Giants when in reality all they're doing is regurgitating some semi-anonymous source outside the organization to pitch an agenda.

These articles are pure garbage and add absolutely nothing of substance to our following of the team. It's all conjecture. It's all nonsense. And it's trash.

Maybe bring some actual football knowledge and experience to bear on what is arguably the most exciting off season in Giants history.

Stop pushing an agenda based on getting clicks and views.

Or if all else fails, get a new job.
All I know is we needs guard and Scherff looks like he is super strong  
Rjanyg : 4/14/2015 9:42 pm : link
And of the video I saw, he can pull and maul people. He may not have LT feet but has decent athleticism.

Here is the question: would you rather have Scherff at LG and keep Pugh at RT.... OR......draft Flowers for RT and move Pugh to LG????
I agree that Scherff isn't the athlete that Martin is.  
yatqb : 4/14/2015 9:44 pm : link
But I still think he'll make a heck of an OG.
Rjanyg  
chillinman1183 : 4/14/2015 10:00 pm : link
Neither.
Devante Parker all day> BPA at 9 if he's there,wich is likely due to his injury that caused him to miss 7 games.
He's the most explosive of the top 3 on tape. He highpoints and attacks the ball every bit the way Kevin White does,maybe better. He's everything you look for in a #1 receiver.
Just look at his tape and #'s from the 4 years at Louisville. 19.9 ypc last year,18.6 his Sophmore season,and over 16 per the other 2 years. Not to mention the 33 TD's.
If not for the broken foot that caused him to miss the first 7 games we're most likely talking about him as the first receiver off the board.
The Giants would be lucky to draft this kid and it's looking like they'll have the opportunity. Lets hope I get what I want 2 years in a row. although in all my years of watching Giant football and the draft,I've only been right one time that I can remember in the first round,and that was last year. Here's hoping to 2 in a row with the same type of results. We would all be so lucky hu!? :)
RE: this shit is ridiculous  
OBJesus : 4/14/2015 10:01 pm : link
In comment 12233365 B in ALB said:
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can't stand "reports" that claim to have some sort of inside knowledge about the Giants when in reality all they're doing is regurgitating some semi-anonymous source outside the organization to pitch an agenda.

These articles are pure garbage and add absolutely nothing of substance to our following of the team. It's all conjecture. It's all nonsense. And it's trash.

Maybe bring some actual football knowledge and experience to bear on what is arguably the most exciting off season in Giants history.

Stop pushing an agenda based on getting clicks and views.

Or if all else fails, get a new job.


Where in the article did they claim to have "inside knowledge" on the giants process?

An ex-NFL scout doesn't have enough football knowledge for YOU to deem him credible? Lol

Seriously? THIS is arguably one of the most exciting offseasons in giants history? We're coming off an incredibly dissapointing 6-10 season and done nothing except add some mediocre to decent players, and we have a ton of holes to fill heading into what most would consider a less than stellar draft class. The year we desperately needed a WR, RT, and MLB and we signed Plax, McKenzie, and Pierce (who all paid off wonderfully as expected) THAT was an exciting offseason, the year we got Eli was an exciting offseason, this one has been a snoozer and a bit of a head scratcher to this point.

Getting clicks and views is part of their job, however considering all the title consists of is an opinion that a lot of people agree with I wouldn't accuse them of "click baiting"

What's your profession that makes you so much more important to the world than a sports columnist? Oprah Winfrey's personal douche?
If we go OL  
ryanmkeane : 4/14/2015 10:01 pm : link
at 9, have to think the pick is either Flowers or Collins. Seems like those two have the best upside at LT down the road, and can play most spots on the line as well.

This all goes out the window if Cooper is available at 9. In that case, I think the Giants take him.
RE: All I know is we needs guard and Scherff looks like he is super strong  
OBJesus : 4/14/2015 10:02 pm : link
In comment 12233379 Rjanyg said:
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And of the video I saw, he can pull and maul people. He may not have LT feet but has decent athleticism.

Here is the question: would you rather have Scherff at LG and keep Pugh at RT.... OR......draft Flowers for RT and move Pugh to LG????


Don't forget option C. neither haha
OBJesus  
B in ALB : 4/14/2015 10:18 pm : link
You are a horrific dupe.

You're either that or you're a complete idiot.

Possibly both? Not been around long enough?

My football knowledge and experience? Both far surpass your miniscule understanding of anything. Period.

OK?

BTW, I've been here long enough that the posters here know my background and history.

You're a clown who will be forgotten in a month. Until you create another identity.

Fuckin loser.
strange to go after Ranaan  
chris r : 4/14/2015 10:28 pm : link
who brings the most to the table of any Giant reporter.

And I don't remember the BBI beloved Mike Garafolo showing off any great football knowledge himself.
RE: strange to go after Ranaan  
B in ALB : 4/14/2015 10:30 pm : link
In comment 12233450 chris r said:
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who brings the most to the table of any Giant reporter.

And I don't remember the BBI beloved Mike Garafolo showing off any great football knowledge himself.


Bottom feeder. Sorry but that's just my opinion. He's Ralphie-lite.
RE: OBJesus  
OBJesus : 4/14/2015 10:33 pm : link
In comment 12233431 B in ALB said:
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You are a horrific dupe.

You're either that or you're a complete idiot.

Possibly both? Not been around long enough?

My football knowledge and experience? Both far surpass your miniscule understanding of anything. Period.

OK?

BTW, I've been here long enough that the posters here know my background and history.

You're a clown who will be forgotten in a month. Until you create another identity.

Fuckin loser.


Time for a new keyboard lmao I'd be mad too if everything I said was absolutely ripped apart and I couldn't articulate anything that could be considered even close to a viable rebuttal for a single one of those objections.. and how many years did you play the game? You sound like an insecure keyboard warrior whos never put on pads out of pure fear and a lack of any sort of athletic ability, and think you have a thorough understanding of the game from watching the NFL network.. now try to pitch your fake back story to convince everyone you know what you're talking about, or just continue to cover your ears and scream LALALA like a child does when he's faced with truths he doesn't wanna believe
hahahagaha  
B in ALB : 4/14/2015 10:36 pm : link
Good lord you're a fucking moron.

also if anyone here should be banned its you  
OBJesus : 4/14/2015 10:37 pm : link
Your inferior mind can only churn out insults, you think they're gonna ban me for making a fool of a self proclaimed "BBI favorite son" without actually breaking any rules? Your narcissism clouds your logic badly, you need to take a breathe brah, you're credibility is plummeting by the second, better go get your buddies :) this guy needs some relief.. in more ways than one lol
RE: also if anyone here should be banned its you  
OBJesus : 4/14/2015 10:39 pm : link
In comment 12233464 OBJesus said:
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Your inferior mind can only churn out insults, you think they're gonna ban me for making a fool of a self proclaimed "BBI favorite son" without actually breaking any rules? Your narcissism clouds your logic badly, you need to take a breathe brah, you're credibility is plummeting by the second, better go get your buddies :) this guy needs some relief.. in more ways than one lol


Breath* before you jump all over it because you have no leg to stand on in this argument and your McIntosh 92 doesn't have auto correct
RE: hahahagaha  
OBJesus : 4/14/2015 10:41 pm : link
In comment 12233463 B in ALB said:
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Good lord you're a fucking moron.


And be sure not to quote my comments so you don't highlight how badly you're having circles around you, very transparent tactics, tisk tisk
have fun dupe  
B in ALB : 4/14/2015 10:43 pm : link
Meanwhile I'll refrain from posting in your pathetic "Has anyone ever played against anyone in the league" post to not embarrass you any further. Unless you want to get emasculated again and again.

Damn you're slow. One of the absolute worst to ever post here. Complete idiocy. Maybe take some Luminosity sessions or something. Good luck.

Night night clown.
RE: have fun dupe  
OBJesus : 4/14/2015 10:47 pm : link
In comment 12233474 B in ALB said:
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Meanwhile I'll refrain from posting in your pathetic "Has anyone ever played against anyone in the league" post to not embarrass you any further. Unless you want to get emasculated again and again.

Damn you're slow. One of the absolute worst to ever post here. Complete idiocy. Maybe take some Luminosity sessions or something. Good luck.

Night night clown.


Played WITH* damn you can't even read lololol and explain exactly what makes me "slow"? Cause I shit all over you and you're mad? That makes sense, go cry yourself to sleep cause you got your pants pulled down and spanked in the only place in the world you thought you could come and be "the man" an internet forum

all you have is  
OBJesus : 4/14/2015 10:48 pm : link
"Oh yeah?? Well.. well.. you're stupid!" You sound like a special needs child, I'm kinda starting to feel bad here...
RE: have fun dupe  
OBJesus : 4/14/2015 10:59 pm : link
In comment 12233474 B in ALB said:
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Meanwhile I'll refrain from posting in your pathetic "Has anyone ever played against anyone in the league" post to not embarrass you any further. Unless you want to get emasculated again and again.

Damn you're slow. One of the absolute worst to ever post here. Complete idiocy. Maybe take some Luminosity sessions or something. Good luck.

Night night clown.


"Omg I hate you, you're soo stupid! Mommmm!!!"

"Hey did you guys see how badly I just emasculated that dude? Uber pwnage, I'm so smart and kewl.. I called him stupid hehe"

It's awakward as hell listening to a child defend his clout on an internet forum
Instant Classic Pillowfight between these two  
BlueManFu : 4/14/2015 11:02 pm : link

Objesus vs. B in ALB - ( New Window )
I guess I'm in the minority on this, but I don't personally care if a  
PatersonPlank : 4/14/2015 11:13 pm : link
guy is projected T, G, or Center. If he can be a 10 year starter with All Pro potential, I say grab him. I don't think we should pass on a guy like this just because he plays G, not T.
RE: Instant Classic Pillowfight between these two  
OBJesus : 4/14/2015 11:13 pm : link
In comment 12233489 BlueManFu said:
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Objesus vs. B in ALB - ( New Window )


Lol I actually found that pretty funny, I guarantee he won't though his "rep" on these forums is clearly all he has in life, also the match wasn't quite as fair as you indicated.. my pillow was filled with rocks, never thought I'd feel like an e-bully :/ so I guess I deserve whatever you have to throw at me, it wasn't right of me to pick on him so hard and I apologize for the brutality you guys had to witness, the mortal kombat announcer is partially to blame though, he should have came in with his infamous line "finish him" like a half hour ago, but he's on vacation
RE: We passed on Martin  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/14/2015 11:18 pm : link
In comment 12233226 Big Rick in FL said:
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Who is a better player at a later pick. Can't see us taking Scherff at 9. If we take OL (Which I don't think we will) I think it will be somebody who is going to be a LT eventually.


The difference though is last year's draft was loaded at multiple positions. This years draft kinda sucks.

IMO if Reese ranks an OL in the same tier as other players available at 9, then he probably should take the OL. That's a big if though.
RE: another Raanan special  
Giants2012 : 4/14/2015 11:20 pm : link
In comment 12233345 B in ALB said:
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Dude knows next to nothing about football other than what he cherry picks as quotes from former scouts. .


Ty - i agree.

Watch him do a 180 shortly and praise the guy.
RE: RE: another Raanan special  
OBJesus : 4/14/2015 11:36 pm : link
In comment 12233508 Giants2012 said:
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In comment 12233345 B in ALB said:


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Dude knows next to nothing about football other than what he cherry picks as quotes from former scouts. .



Ty - i agree.

Watch him do a 180 shortly and praise the guy.


He's a columnist what do you expect? That he went to college majoring in journalism and a minored in football scouting? O.o at least he's wise enough to listen to the opinions of those who have spent their whole life doing what he's talking about, what proven qualifications does B in ALB have that he can properly assess tape? And unless he's spending all of his time in a dark room watching every individuals FULL game tapes (and at least a solid handful of them) than he's "cherry picking opinions" based on what he's heard as well...
but i think its a safe bet  
OBJesus : 4/14/2015 11:42 pm : link
He looks at prospect rankings, probably goes and watches YouTube "highlights" since we don't have access to anything more than that on a lot of players in the draft (obviously there's full game films available for a lot of the big name guys) and I highly doubt he could give any sort of technical breakdown and report on a player that an NFL GM wouldn't throw in the trash
OBJesus  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/14/2015 11:52 pm : link
is a previously banned poster.
RE: OBJesus  
Mason : 4/15/2015 4:17 am : link
In comment 12233539 Eric from BBI said:
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is a previously banned poster.


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RE: OBJesus  
wgenesis123 : 4/15/2015 4:43 am : link
Looks like he is a currently suspended poster too!
Account Suspended...  
BMac : 4/15/2015 6:33 am : link
...Thank you, Jesus!
Here ya go, Mason.  
Klaatu : 4/15/2015 7:13 am : link
I don't care if he's a guard  
UberAlias : 4/15/2015 7:58 am : link
If he will give our guys a big push in the running game and give Eli a pocket to step up in and do it at a pro-bowl level, sign me up.
.....  
Klaatu : 4/15/2015 8:08 am : link
Farewell and adieu to the troll ObtuseJesus.
Farewell and adieu, you extremely royal pain.
It was long past the time that you wore out your welcome.
And, hopefully, we'll never see you again.

well...that was entertaining  
I Love Clams Casino : 4/15/2015 8:23 am : link
Thank you
RE: I guess I'm in the minority on this, but I don't personally care if a  
UberAlias : 4/15/2015 8:32 am : link
In comment 12233499 PatersonPlank said:
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guy is projected T, G, or Center. If he can be a 10 year starter with All Pro potential, I say grab him. I don't think we should pass on a guy like this just because he plays G, not T.


I'm with you Plank. One of the things that made the Saints offense so good in past seasons was the strength of their interior line. I remember facing them a few years ago and Breese carved us up. We got pressure on the edges several times, but Breese was always able to step up comfortably and picked us apart like it were 7-7.

I'm not saying OT doesn't have more value, but quality OL, regardless of where, can make an impact. And let's not underestimate the value of getting push in the running game. Fixing that issue could have a huge impact on this offense. I keep saying this: there were only 2 teams with lower YPC than us last year, yet we were in the top 10 (10th) in rushing attempts. Those ineffective runs killed us, and the lack of push up front in running game has been a huge problem for a few years now.
RE: RE: I guess I'm in the minority on this, but I don't personally care if a  
I Love Clams Casino : 4/15/2015 8:36 am : link
In comment 12233624 UberAlias said:
In comment 12233499 PatersonPlank said:


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I'm not saying OT doesn't have more value, but quality OL, regardless of where, can make an impact. And let's not underestimate the value of getting push in the running game. Fixing that issue could have a huge impact on this offense. I keep saying this: there were only 2 teams with lower YPC than us last year, yet we were in the top 10 (10th) in rushing attempts. Those ineffective runs killed us, and the lack of push up front in running game has been a huge problem for a few years now.


two thumbs up!
UberAlias.  
Klaatu : 4/15/2015 8:38 am : link
In 2009, the Saints' interior O-Line - Goodwin, Nicks, Evans - were all Day 3 picks.
RE: .....  
BMac : 4/15/2015 8:54 am : link
In comment 12233606 Klaatu said:
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Farewell and adieu to the troll ObtuseJesus.
Farewell and adieu, you extremely royal pain.
It was long past the time that you wore out your welcome.
And, hopefully, we'll never see you again.


Kind of reminds me of the end of "Pay or Die."
Think Robert Shaw in Jaws.  
Klaatu : 4/15/2015 9:07 am : link
...
Paterson  
ryanmkeane : 4/15/2015 9:34 am : link
good point - let's say we take Collins or Flowers with the idea they play tackle. However, if they end up being a pro bowl guard - that's an excellent pick regardless. Let's take one of these maulers and see what they can do. I think the only safe bet is that Flowers will not be a guard, at least right away anyway, in the NFL.
RE: UberAlias.  
UberAlias : 4/15/2015 10:56 am : link
In comment 12233629 Klaatu said:
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In 2009, the Saints' interior O-Line - Goodwin, Nicks, Evans - were all Day 3 picks.


So was Tom Brady.
RE: RE: UberAlias.  
UberAlias : 4/15/2015 10:58 am : link
In comment 12233904 UberAlias said:
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In comment 12233629 Klaatu said:


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In 2009, the Saints' interior O-Line - Goodwin, Nicks, Evans - were all Day 3 picks.



So was Tom Brady.


We have drafted plenty of mid round linemen that have not worked out.
Great, other teams have had success drafting OL in late rounds...  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/15/2015 12:13 pm : link
...Unfortunately, Reese and Co. have shown no ability to do that.
RE: RE: RE: UberAlias.  
Klaatu : 4/15/2015 12:16 pm : link
In comment 12233910 UberAlias said:
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In comment 12233904 UberAlias said:


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In comment 12233629 Klaatu said:


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In 2009, the Saints' interior O-Line - Goodwin, Nicks, Evans - were all Day 3 picks.



So was Tom Brady.



We have drafted plenty of mid round linemen that have not worked out.


That's true, but that's a lick on us for poor evaluation. Some Guards are worth picking in the first round...Steve Hutchinson, for example, 17th overall. Most aren't, which is why most teams look for them after Day 1. We haven't been successful at it in recent years, but other teams like the Saints and Ravens certainly have.
Martin's pass-pro is significantly better  
Coach Mason : 4/15/2015 12:59 pm : link
Scherff falls off his blocks quite a bit and his guy is involved in disrupting the play alot more often than you'd expect. Do not want at 9.

RE: Think Robert Shaw in Jaws.  
BMac : 4/15/2015 1:35 pm : link
In comment 12233663 Klaatu said:
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Nah! The shark would have spit OBJesus out.
Two Thumbs Up B in Bama  
Bluesbreaker : 4/15/2015 4:59 pm : link
I don't post a whole lot but the guy is an asswipe
IMO . I no religious nut but went to Catholic school
I don't like the handle either .
People that comment nothing usefull on a Post
must lead a boring Life .
re: Scherff is 100% a Guard...  
johnboyw : 4/17/2015 6:52 am : link
Not sure where Jeremiah gets off making a blanket statement like this other than being able to say "See, I told you so" when Scherff ends up playing guard for the team that drafts him. This guy has the tools and toughness to play RT with some NFL level coaching on his footwork. That said, I agree that if White is there at #9, the Giants will most likely take him as the draft is very deep for OL well into the 3rd round. If they somehow feel that either Flowers or Collins is the way they want to go first, they may trade down 3-4 picks to get one of them since neither is worth drafting at #9 and pick up an extra draft choice in the process.
Glad Eric put an end to that disgraceful exchange going on above.
RE: RE: OBJesus  
section125 : 4/17/2015 8:09 am : link
In comment 12233564 wgenesis123 said:
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Looks like he is a currently suspended poster too!


Now if we can just get rid of brownstain , ahh brownstone.
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