good point. The thing is on live. He sent his wife to take out the trash, while the cleaning people were there. ???? doh. He had a gun on him on the tape. did the jury consider that it might not be the gun. They didn't care. Like I thought before the trial, the media influenced the verdict indirectly. He'll spend the rest of his life behind bars.
The gun on the tape was identified as the same gun that was used to kill Lloyd. His DNA was also on the shell casings that he foolishly left in the rental car that also matched the bullets found in Lloyd. This is a man that really thought he was untouchable because how else do you not erase your surveillance footage and not dispose of shell casings?
I'm just going by what the commentators are saying, it's live. He was pretentious and overconfident. He got his ass kicked in the Pats's lockerroom as a rookie because of his attitude. sad waste of a human life and a waste of talent.
FALL RIVER, Mass. – Defense attorney Michael Fee had just spent the better part of a half-hour slapping the prosecution around via a forceful, impressive and at times even mocking opening statement in the murder trial of his client, former New England Patriot Aaron Hernandez. [...]
Fee even attacked the most damning hurdle his client must clear: Hernandez's almost certain presence at the murder scene ... [...]
"Mere presence is not enough," Fee argued, essentially implying that Wallace did the killing. "In our system we cannot be convicted of a crime just because we hang with the wrong people or are in the wrong place at the wrong time."
Except moments later Judge E. Susan Garsh addressed the jury and pointed out that Fee wasn't accurate and, well, you sort of can be convicted for that under Massachusetts' "joint venture" law.
"The Commonwealth does not require proof that the defendant himself performed an act that caused Odin Lloyd's death to establish that the defendant is guilty of murder," Garsh said. "The Commonwealth requires two things, first the defendant knowingly participated in the commission of this crime and second, he did so with the intent required to commit the crime."
And that there may be the entire case against Aaron Hernandez.
Lisa Kraus Edwards
#AaronHernandez still will stand trial for 2012 double driveby murder in Boston (about hour north of here). Trial date postponed from 5/28
Great, now all those poor jurors are as good as dead Â
absolutely! But this guy is a gangster. He was a thug at Florida, and got his ass kicked (as a Pats rookie) in the lockerroom. It's sad listening to Lloyd's family (victim witness statements)
I'm just going by what the commentators are saying, it's live. He was pretentious and overconfident. He got his ass kicked in the Pats's lockerroom as a rookie because of his attitude. sad waste of a human life and a waste of talent.
Other way around, I never heard of Hernandez getting his ass kicked, but I did read about how as a rookie he threated to F-up Wes Welker because Welker wouldn't show him how to operate the film room equipment.
of the state that a trial provides more than a means to punish the guilty - there are families that have an interest in the closure the second trial could provide.
RE: 40 million dollars and he couldn't stay out of trouble. Â
absolutely! But this guy is a gangster. He was a thug at Florida, and got his ass kicked (as a Pats rookie) in the lockerroom. It's sad listening to Lloyd's family (victim witness statements)
That is true blapre74... 100 million probably wouldn't have had any effect on him either.
I was just saying that if I was prone to be tempted towards bad behavior - I would isolate my self completely - for at least the length of the contract. ; )
getting rid of the evidence. Her claim that she didn't know what was in the box that Hernandez instructed her to get rid of while he was being held for the murder of her sisters boyfriend is complete bullshit. Also she claimed that she doesn't remember the location of the dumpster in which she placed the box.
getting rid of the evidence. Her claim that she didn't know what was in the box that Hernandez instructed her to get rid of while he was being held for the murder of her sisters boyfriend is complete bullshit. Also she claimed that she doesn't remember the location of the dumpster in which she placed the box.
Andrew Brandt retweeted
Dan Wetzel
Jurors asked by media if they thought Shayanna told the truth. They all laugh and say, "no comment."
RE: RE: it's somewhat ironic that his own home security video Â
helped seal his fate...they had evidence putting him at the scene of the shooting, then his home security video showed him walking into his house holding a gun 10 minutes after the shooting made it a no brainer (and made the defense's weak claim that AH was there but not involved absurd)
most people who commit murder of this type "no dissing me brah" aren't very intelligent.
Clams I suspect Hernandez still doesn't understand why executing someone for dissing him isn't considered justifiable under the law.
getting rid of the evidence. Her claim that she didn't know what was in the box that Hernandez instructed her to get rid of while he was being held for the murder of her sisters boyfriend is complete bullshit. Also she claimed that she doesn't remember the location of the dumpster in which she placed the box.
of the state that a trial provides more than a means to punish the guilty - there are families that have an interest in the closure the second trial could provide.
Exactly. For this reason alone, it's probably worth it to go forward with the other trial. You can't just ignore the other victims. I don't believe that's good for society. There's also the issue of adding another precedent with respect to procedure, sentencing, etc. and to just keep the system engaged.
During the trial, Kraft said Hernandez proclaimed his innocence when they spoke in the weight room at Gillette Stadium, the team’s home base, two days after the murder. Hernandez also said he hoped the time of the killing would become public, since he was at a nightclub then, Kraft testified.
Prosecutors seized on the latter comment during closing arguments, asking how Hernandez would know when Lloyd was killed when the information had not been publicly released.
In comment 12234056 Jay on the Island
said:Quote:getting rid of the evidence. Her claim that she didn't know what was in the box that Hernandez instructed her to get rid of while he was being held for the murder of her sisters boyfriend is complete bullshit. Also she claimed that she doesn't remember the location of the dumpster in which she placed the box.
^^^^^^This
Either that or perjury.
She was granted immunity to testify. Anything she said about "the box" or "the dumpster" would make her immune to prosecution for getting rid of evidence, I think. If it could be proved she lied on the stand she could be charged with perjury. If the prosecution had any such evidence I assume they would have already introduced it.
Lisa Kraus Edwards
Jurors found Kraft compelling b/c #AaronHernandez told him he was at club at time of murder, when ME said exact time of murder not known
In comment 12233827 Deej said:
Seems like a waste of resources to pursue. I guess if Hernandez wins an appeal in this case you could revive it, but otherwise why bother? [/quote]
I think the families of the other two murder victims might have something to say about whether a trial would be a waste of time.
Also, to anyone that complains about waste of taxpayer money, unless you live in Mass don't sweat it. This is a state cast, not a federal one. Not a cent of your taxpayer money will be spent on that trial.
RE: RE: RE: Now what happens with the double murder trial? Â
In comment 12233827 Deej said:
Seems like a waste of resources to pursue. I guess if Hernandez wins an appeal in this case you could revive it, but otherwise why bother?
I think the families of the other two murder victims might have something to say about whether a trial would be a waste of time.
Also, to anyone that complains about waste of taxpayer money, unless you live in Mass don't sweat it. This is a state cast, not a federal one. Not a cent of your taxpayer money will be spent on that trial. [/quote]
Moreover, this is exactly the kind of thing tax money should be spent on.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Now what happens with the double murder trial? Â
In comment 12234173 sb from NYT Forum said:Quote:In comment 12233827 Deej said: Seems like a waste of resources to pursue. I guess if Hernandez wins an appeal in this case you could revive it, but otherwise why bother?
I think the families of the other two murder victims might have something to say about whether a trial would be a waste of time.
Also, to anyone that complains about waste of taxpayer money, unless you live in Mass don't sweat it. This is a state cast, not a federal one. Not a cent of your taxpayer money will be spent on that trial.
Moreover, this is exactly the kind of thing tax money should be spent on. [/quote]
If he is found guilty of murder in the other case I assume the families of the deceased will file civil suits against Hernandez, if they haven't already. The Odin family has filed for $5 mil and this verdict would seem to assure their claim is validated. There may be very little of his wealth left over for his fiance. She may have to work to support her son.
RE: I wouldn't try the second case unless it's necessary Â
I would keep that in my pocket in case he some how gets out on a technicality.
I'm pretty sure there is a right to a speedy trial, which would negate the possibility of filing this case away for years unless they need it. I think presenting a case to the Grand Jury years after you collected your last piece of evidence would make it clear the DA was not proceeding timely or in good faith.
The families of the victims in the other shooting deserve to have the guilty held accountable, even if he is already serving life without parole. The other trial can and should go forward.
of keeping a trial in your pocket, even if it was possible, which it is not. They can't just wait to prosecute "just in case". I still dont know why you would do it even if it was allowed.
Lisa Kraus Edwards
It is 1.6 miles as the crow flies from Gillette Stadium to #AaronHernandez's maximum security prison. He may hear crowd on game days.
Lisa Kraus Edwards
It is 1.6 miles as the crow flies from Gillette Stadium to #AaronHernandez's maximum security prison. He may hear crowd on game days.
what happens if there is a successful appeal in this case? even if he isn't totally exonerated - appeal could result in significantly reduced sentence.
So while Aaron Hernandez has been sentenced to life without parole, his sentence also triggers an automatic appeal to the Massachusetts Supreme Court. What happens if Hernandez claims his actions were caused by the effects of concussions while playing football? All you need is a court to agree, and you're looking at a potential ban on football in the state of Massachusetts.
In comment 12234177 RB^2 said:Quote:In comment 12234173 sb from NYT Forum said:Quote:In comment 12233827 Deej said: Seems like a waste of resources to pursue. I guess if Hernandez wins an appeal in this case you could revive it, but otherwise why bother?
I think the families of the other two murder victims might have something to say about whether a trial would be a waste of time.
Also, to anyone that complains about waste of taxpayer money, unless you live in Mass don't sweat it. This is a state cast, not a federal one. Not a cent of your taxpayer money will be spent on that trial.
Moreover, this is exactly the kind of thing tax money should be spent on.
If he is found guilty of murder in the other case I assume the families of the deceased will file civil suits against Hernandez, if they haven't already. The Odin family has filed for $5 mil and this verdict would seem to assure their claim is validated. There may be very little of his wealth left over for his fiance. She may have to work to support her son.
Next up is another murder trial in which he is accused of killing two men and wounding another person near a Boston nightclub in July 2012.
Prosecutors have said Hernandez fatally shot Daniel de Abreu and Safiro Furtado when he fired into their 2003 BMW. Another passenger was wounded and two others were uninjured.
Hernandez pleaded not guilty at his arraignment.
The families of de Abreu and Furtado filed civil suits against Hernandez, and a judge froze his $5 million in assets, pending the outcome of the double-murder trial. The freeze includes the disputed $3.3 million signing bonus payment Hernandez claims he is owed by the New England Patriots.
Hernandez is also being sued by a man who claims Hernandez shot him while they were in a limousine in Miami in February 2013. Link - ( New Window )
but it's not as simple as doing gang stuff. The guy has been linked to Latin gangs his whole life and when you are in that deep, exiting gracefully isn't really on the menu. He either A) enjoyed the power or B) was in too deep to walk away from.
He is the dumbest of dumb fucks and i hope he rots. Fucking guy was a millionaire playing on a yearly super bowl contender and instead he brutally killed 3 people over nothing.
The gun on the tape was identified as the same gun that was used to kill Lloyd. His DNA was also on the shell casings that he foolishly left in the rental car that also matched the bullets found in Lloyd. This is a man that really thought he was untouchable because how else do you not erase your surveillance footage and not dispose of shell casings?
Fee even attacked the most damning hurdle his client must clear: Hernandez's almost certain presence at the murder scene ... [...]
"Mere presence is not enough," Fee argued, essentially implying that Wallace did the killing. "In our system we cannot be convicted of a crime just because we hang with the wrong people or are in the wrong place at the wrong time."
Except moments later Judge E. Susan Garsh addressed the jury and pointed out that Fee wasn't accurate and, well, you sort of can be convicted for that under Massachusetts' "joint venture" law.
"The Commonwealth does not require proof that the defendant himself performed an act that caused Odin Lloyd's death to establish that the defendant is guilty of murder," Garsh said. "The Commonwealth requires two things, first the defendant knowingly participated in the commission of this crime and second, he did so with the intent required to commit the crime."
And that there may be the entire case against Aaron Hernandez.
Link - ( New Window )
#AaronHernandez still will stand trial for 2012 double driveby murder in Boston (about hour north of here). Trial date postponed from 5/28
Other way around, I never heard of Hernandez getting his ass kicked, but I did read about how as a rookie he threated to F-up Wes Welker because Welker wouldn't show him how to operate the film room equipment.
And this is why Spike's tweet rings true.
Since when can money not get you out of trouble?
I'm disturbed by this turn of events.
What's happening to the country I know and love?
Fuckin' hippies.
That is true blapre74... 100 million probably wouldn't have had any effect on him either.
I was just saying that if I was prone to be tempted towards bad behavior - I would isolate my self completely - for at least the length of the contract. ; )
I doubt he lasts long in jail.
Jury speaking now. Didn't buy PCP defense, "we were all shocked" that #AaronHernandez attorney said he was there in closings
#AaronHernandez jury, standing in group, won't answer if they think he was actual trigger man
When asked if they thought black object #AaronHernandez was holding was a gun, juror responds: "Which time?"
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Dan Wetzel
Jurors asked by media if they thought Shayanna told the truth. They all laugh and say, "no comment."
Quote:
helped seal his fate...they had evidence putting him at the scene of the shooting, then his home security video showed him walking into his house holding a gun 10 minutes after the shooting made it a no brainer (and made the defense's weak claim that AH was there but not involved absurd)
most people who commit murder of this type "no dissing me brah" aren't very intelligent.
Clams I suspect Hernandez still doesn't understand why executing someone for dissing him isn't considered justifiable under the law.
He had to protect his rep brah
^^^^^^This
Either that or perjury.
That is the new 'in' defense, replacing, 'he did not know right from wrong'.
Exactly. For this reason alone, it's probably worth it to go forward with the other trial. You can't just ignore the other victims. I don't believe that's good for society. There's also the issue of adding another precedent with respect to procedure, sentencing, etc. and to just keep the system engaged.
Prosecutors seized on the latter comment during closing arguments, asking how Hernandez would know when Lloyd was killed when the information had not been publicly released.
LOL! What an IDIOT!!!!!
said:Quote:getting rid of the evidence. Her claim that she didn't know what was in the box that Hernandez instructed her to get rid of while he was being held for the murder of her sisters boyfriend is complete bullshit. Also she claimed that she doesn't remember the location of the dumpster in which she placed the box.
^^^^^^This
Either that or perjury.
She was granted immunity to testify. Anything she said about "the box" or "the dumpster" would make her immune to prosecution for getting rid of evidence, I think. If it could be proved she lied on the stand she could be charged with perjury. If the prosecution had any such evidence I assume they would have already introduced it.
Jurors found Kraft compelling b/c #AaronHernandez told him he was at club at time of murder, when ME said exact time of murder not known
#AaronHernandez jurors said they could not agree unanimously on premeditation
Jurors also said they felt bad for Robert Kraft, because it was clear he had a bad cold while testifying #AaronHernandez
#AaronHernandez jurors said they could not agree unanimously on premeditation
that seems odd. So Hernandez called 2 of his thug buddies to join him in driving Lloyd out to an industrial park at 3 am to what...give him noogies?
Seems like a waste of resources to pursue. I guess if Hernandez wins an appeal in this case you could revive it, but otherwise why bother? [/quote]
I think the families of the other two murder victims might have something to say about whether a trial would be a waste of time.
Also, to anyone that complains about waste of taxpayer money, unless you live in Mass don't sweat it. This is a state cast, not a federal one. Not a cent of your taxpayer money will be spent on that trial.
Seems like a waste of resources to pursue. I guess if Hernandez wins an appeal in this case you could revive it, but otherwise why bother?
I think the families of the other two murder victims might have something to say about whether a trial would be a waste of time.
Also, to anyone that complains about waste of taxpayer money, unless you live in Mass don't sweat it. This is a state cast, not a federal one. Not a cent of your taxpayer money will be spent on that trial. [/quote]
Moreover, this is exactly the kind of thing tax money should be spent on.
I think the families of the other two murder victims might have something to say about whether a trial would be a waste of time.
Also, to anyone that complains about waste of taxpayer money, unless you live in Mass don't sweat it. This is a state cast, not a federal one. Not a cent of your taxpayer money will be spent on that trial.
Moreover, this is exactly the kind of thing tax money should be spent on. [/quote]
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If he is found guilty of murder in the other case I assume the families of the deceased will file civil suits against Hernandez, if they haven't already. The Odin family has filed for $5 mil and this verdict would seem to assure their claim is validated. There may be very little of his wealth left over for his fiance. She may have to work to support her son.
I'm pretty sure there is a right to a speedy trial, which would negate the possibility of filing this case away for years unless they need it. I think presenting a case to the Grand Jury years after you collected your last piece of evidence would make it clear the DA was not proceeding timely or in good faith.
The families of the victims in the other shooting deserve to have the guilty held accountable, even if he is already serving life without parole. The other trial can and should go forward.
It is 1.6 miles as the crow flies from Gillette Stadium to #AaronHernandez's maximum security prison. He may hear crowd on game days.
It is 1.6 miles as the crow flies from Gillette Stadium to #AaronHernandez's maximum security prison. He may hear crowd on game days.
Ugh... now THAT would be torture for me.
Link - ( New Window )
I think the families of the other two murder victims might have something to say about whether a trial would be a waste of time.
Also, to anyone that complains about waste of taxpayer money, unless you live in Mass don't sweat it. This is a state cast, not a federal one. Not a cent of your taxpayer money will be spent on that trial.
Moreover, this is exactly the kind of thing tax money should be spent on.
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Next up is another murder trial in which he is accused of killing two men and wounding another person near a Boston nightclub in July 2012.
Prosecutors have said Hernandez fatally shot Daniel de Abreu and Safiro Furtado when he fired into their 2003 BMW. Another passenger was wounded and two others were uninjured.
Hernandez pleaded not guilty at his arraignment.
The families of de Abreu and Furtado filed civil suits against Hernandez, and a judge froze his $5 million in assets, pending the outcome of the double-murder trial. The freeze includes the disputed $3.3 million signing bonus payment Hernandez claims he is owed by the New England Patriots.
Hernandez is also being sued by a man who claims Hernandez shot him while they were in a limousine in Miami in February 2013.
Link - ( New Window )