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Deej : 4/15/2015 3:19 pm
Rangers looking to better their result from last year. Isles back in the playoff. Devils at home this time (and sadly, Ryanne Clowe may never suit up again according to reports). Around the league, Kane is back, and the Bruins GM is not.
Should be a great playoffs.

Metro and Central matchups look particularly awesome this year.
Curious to see how Kane looks  
figgy2989 : 4/15/2015 3:23 pm : link
If he is anywhere near full strength the Hawks are going to be a tough out.
Pacioretty out Game 1  
Deej : 4/15/2015 3:25 pm : link
I assume it is Kreider's fault. I dont like the Habs to win that series if Patches misses 3+ games. He is their only stud forward.
RE: Pacioretty out Game 1  
Greg from LI : 4/15/2015 3:27 pm : link
In comment 12234442 Deej said:
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I assume it is Kreider's fault.


Everything is Kreider's fault, including the weakness of the Canadian dollar.

Linked below is a comic-strip history of the Stanley Cup. Purty cool.
Link - ( New Window )
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arcarsenal : 4/15/2015 3:28 pm : link
Vermette a healthy scratch for the Hawks. Pacioretty still out for MTL.
Go CAPS !!  
tony stg : 4/15/2015 3:30 pm : link
still waiting..... :-(

Favorite event in sports  
Kyle in NY : 4/15/2015 3:30 pm : link
Can't wait. Looking forward to enjoying tonight's games before the Rangers get going and the nerves set in.
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arcarsenal : 4/15/2015 3:31 pm : link
I think OTT wins that series in 7.

Predictions?

StL/MIN : Blues in 7
CHI/NSH : Blackhawks in 6
ANA/WPG : Ducks in 5
VAN/CGY : Flames in 6

MTL/OTT : Senators in 7
TB/DET : Lightning in 6
WSH/NYI : Capitals in 7
NYR/PIT : Rangers in 5
Here's an easy drinking game to play during the games  
YAJ2112 : 4/15/2015 3:34 pm : link
even if your favorite team isn't playing.

NHL Rules

1. Pick a team.
2. Take a drink when:
a. Your team registers a shot on goal
b. A player from your team aside from the goalie is off his skates (ie gets knocked down, slides to block a shot, etc).
3. Take a shot when:
a. Your team scores a goal.
b. Your team's opponent has a goal disallowed on review.
4. Stand and finish your beer when a fight occurs (group social).
5. If your team is called for icing, you must stand up and spin around 3 times.
I think Price carries the Habs to the series win, but it'll be tough  
Greg from LI : 4/15/2015 3:36 pm : link
6 or 7 games.
First round predictions  
NYerInMA : 4/15/2015 3:37 pm : link
West:
Blues in 6
Blackhawks in 6
Ducks in 7
Flames in 7

East:
Habs in 7
Lightning in 5
Caps in 6
Rangers in 5
RE: Here's an easy drinking game to play during the games  
mgreenie03 : 4/15/2015 3:39 pm : link
In comment 12234467 YAJ2112 said:
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even if your favorite team isn't playing.

NHL Rules

1. Pick a team.
2. Take a drink when:
a. Your team registers a shot on goal
b. A player from your team aside from the goalie is off his skates (ie gets knocked down, slides to block a shot, etc).
3. Take a shot when:
a. Your team scores a goal.
b. Your team's opponent has a goal disallowed on review.
4. Stand and finish your beer when a fight occurs (group social).
5. If your team is called for icing, you must stand up and spin around 3 times.


As a Bruins fan I fully endorse this game!! Good luck to everyone this post season!!
Everyone picking the Caps  
Fish : 4/15/2015 3:39 pm : link
Everyone can't be right
Depends on Pacioretty.  
Andy in Halifax : 4/15/2015 3:39 pm : link
He's a HUGE threat to score, but without him I don't know if they can put enough pucks in to win. Sens are deep up front, Habs need MP to balance things out.

Agree that it has the look of a long series.

GO SENS GO
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arcarsenal : 4/15/2015 3:40 pm : link
Price was kind of human the last couple weeks of the season. 20 goals allowed his last 7 games, .895 sv%

He's going to have to be a brick wall that entire series for Montreal to win because they don't score and the one solitary guy who was consistent in that regard for them is out.
RE: I think Price carries the Habs to the series win, but it'll be tough  
figgy2989 : 4/15/2015 3:40 pm : link
In comment 12234476 Greg from LI said:
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6 or 7 games.


I think it really depends on how long Pacioretty is out. Let's hope they burn Subban out like they did against us in the ECF last year.

Or what Andy said!  
figgy2989 : 4/15/2015 3:41 pm : link
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RE: Everyone picking the Caps  
arcarsenal : 4/15/2015 3:43 pm : link
In comment 12234481 Fish said:
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Everyone can't be right


Truthfully, being as objective as I can.. I think losing Hamonic and home ice (especially in that fashion) are why this series slid into the Caps favor and is why I am picking them to win a hard fought, long series. With Hamonic I'd probably lean closer to a pick 'em and if the Isles hadn't flubbed home ice away, I would have had them in 7 instead of Washington.

Home ice isn't a huge deal but in this series, I do think it mattered and was important to get.
as far as the other series  
Greg from LI : 4/15/2015 3:43 pm : link
Rangers in 4 - the Yinz barely beat the goddamned Sabres with their playoff lives on the line. They're complete garbage right now, and having one more nothing defenseman won't change that.

Islanders in 7 - The Caps just don't have a lot of skill beyond Ovie/Backstrom, they're way too dependent on PP goals that will be much harder to come by in the playoffs, and I wonder how much Holtby has left in the tank after making 70-some starts.

Bolts in 6 - Detroit's goaltending is a mess, and they're beat up.

Blues in 7 - Another team with major goaltending questions. They'll move on but it will be a tense series.

Hawks in 5 - Kaner's return gives them a shot in the arm and Nashville stumbled to the finish line.

Jets in 6 - Bruce Boudreau sucks in the playoffs, full stop. Yet another team doomed by shitty goaltending.

Canucks in 7 - don't really have a strong opinion, this one could go either way. I'll go with the Canucks due to their veteraness.
I picked the Caps  
NYerInMA : 4/15/2015 3:47 pm : link
Because the Isles played like hot garbage down the stretch. I won't be surprised if the Isles prevail, but I think the Caps are a better team top to bottom and they have home ice.
Predictions  
Deej : 4/15/2015 3:52 pm : link
cant do it since I really like the Rangers this year. But for the other East series (dont know the West well enough):

WASH over NYI: I'd vote Ovie for the Hart (Price will win). Slight preference for WASH goalie. On the other hand, playoffs are 5 on 5, and over the season the Isles were much better than WASH at ES. Close, close call, but I dont like how the Isles played down the stretch so the Caps it is.

OTT over MTL: Basically betting that Patches is too hurt to go. You already dont have to respect the MTL forwards; without Patches, Karlsson can pinch the whole game. Karlsson-Subban is one hell of a matchup.

TB over DET: TB might be the best team in the East. Red Wings are a mirage to me. 70 PPG (10 more than #2 team), based on 294 PPs (~50 more than median). I dont think you can count on PP offense in the playoffs. I think it will be over in 4-5 games (so of course DET will win and make me look dumb).
Fair points  
Fish : 4/15/2015 3:57 pm : link
But as one of you pointed out, they lean on Ovie and Backstrom. The Isles have a full team.
My picks  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/15/2015 4:01 pm : link
Rangers in 6 - There are a handful of measurable that show the Pens have been underachieving and our bound to improve. I think they will, but not enough to take the series.

Capitals in 6 - This one stings, but with the Hamonic injury to a back 6 that is already inexplicably featuring Brian Strait, I don't see the Islanders cooling off the Caps

Senators in 7 - As arc alluded to, Price has been human, and the Habs need him to be inhuman in order to keep doing what they're doing. There is no team that believes in themselves more than the Senators now. I think they pull off the upset... hopefully Montreal doesn't do what they always do and lose their shit.

Lightning in 5 - I don't think Detroit's swoon down the stretch is an aberration. For now, they have the best coach in the league for my money. They play a disciplined game, but ultimately, they just aren't even close to as talented as Tampa, IMO.

West

Preds in 7

Canucks in 5

Ducks in 6

Blues in 7
I think TB destroys Detroit. Detroit might win a game  
Andy in Halifax : 4/15/2015 4:02 pm : link
Washington will get by NY in 7.
Rangers sweep Yins

St Louis over Minnesota in 7
Nashville over Chicago in 6
Calgary over Vancouver in 6
Winnipeg over Anaheim in 6
I really think it is the Isles series to win/lose  
Deej : 4/15/2015 4:02 pm : link
Washington will be Washington. Only variable on them is how dumb the penalties are, and whether they can get on the PP. Isles good at staying out the box.

Isles played two seasons. All was well until sometime in January or February. From afar it seemed like it was timed w/o the Okposo injury, but their fans can probably put a precise finger on it. If the Isles play like they did in the first 41, they'll skate the Caps out of the building; if they play like they did in March/April, they have no chance.
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arcarsenal : 4/15/2015 4:05 pm : link
I said Ducks over the Peg in 5 but it'll probably be closer to 6 or 7. The Winnipeg fans are going to be nuts.. they haven't seen a playoff series there since '96.

I still think the Ducks win the series, though. They'll save their underachieving for one of the following 2 rounds (I think CHI eventually takes them out in the WCF)
I think the Ducks and Lightning  
MetsAreBack : 4/15/2015 4:05 pm : link
have much easier roads to get to the Conference Finals than the Rangers do, and certainly any of the Central teams.

I think any team in the Central would win a series against any team in the West. NHL needs to tweak this model.

Pitt-NYR is going to be a much closer series than many here assume. Caps Isles is definitely going 7.

Final 4 prediction: Tampa-NYR; StL-Anaheim... but who the fuck knows when it comes to that Central. Dubnyk is capable of stealing a series and you dont know at what % Kane will be at in this first round.

Finals: Tampa vs St Louis
Cup: Tampa
Tampa isn't going to win a Cup  
Greg from LI : 4/15/2015 4:09 pm : link
Bishop has never started a Cup playoff game.
I think  
Fish : 4/15/2015 4:13 pm : link
Winnipeg is going to go all goon and beat the piss out of every team in front of them.
RE: I really think it is the Isles series to win/lose  
MetsAreBack : 4/15/2015 4:15 pm : link
In comment 12234522 Deej said:
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Washington will be Washington. Only variable on them is how dumb the penalties are, and whether they can get on the PP. Isles good at staying out the box.

Isles played two seasons. All was well until sometime in January or February. From afar it seemed like it was timed w/o the Okposo injury, but their fans can probably put a precise finger on it. If the Isles play like they did in the first 41, they'll skate the Caps out of the building; if they play like they did in March/April, they have no chance.



That's one way to look at it -- but its also the league's best powerplay against one of the league's worst kill units. And before you tell me the PP means less in the postseason because refs swallow their whistles, ... refs are swallowing their whistles more often in the regular season now too. Powerplay opportunities are down.

I think Washington securing home ice in this series and their playoff experience will help them here -- but its a series that is likely going 7, and regardless, the Islanders will take a shitload of positives out of their season this year that they can build on. It's one of those rosters where you know if they can secure a guy like Babcock or Julien, can make some serious runs down the line.
RE: Tampa isn't going to win a Cup  
MookGiants : 4/15/2015 4:15 pm : link
In comment 12234539 Greg from LI said:
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Bishop has never started a Cup playoff game.


That means they can't win? He's unproven in the playoffs but he's a good goalie. They can win a cup
I think Rangers-Pens goes 6-7 games  
Deej : 4/15/2015 4:17 pm : link
but it might be Pens in 6-7. I dont know how you could ever count out a team with Crosby and Malkin. However, the Pens' depth is horrific, and their back 6 is in injury-hell.
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arcarsenal : 4/15/2015 4:18 pm : link
In the bracket I filled out with a bunch of dudes I know I have TB beating NYR in the ECF and losing to CHI in the Finals.

I know Bishop is unproven but guys like Fleury or Crawford didn't have a ton of playoff experience when they won Cups, either. I'll admit I'm hedging a little bit here but I do think Tampa is good enough to get to the SCF. Winning it? I don't know. Probably not.. but if they're there anything's possible.
RE: RE: Tampa isn't going to win a Cup  
Deej : 4/15/2015 4:19 pm : link
In comment 12234546 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12234539 Greg from LI said:


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Bishop has never started a Cup playoff game.



That means they can't win? He's unproven in the playoffs but he's a good goalie. They can win a cup


I believe Cam Ward and Corey Crawford won the Cup in their rookie seasons.
Not Craw  
Deej : 4/15/2015 4:20 pm : link
Niemi.
I'm going to the Lightning game tomorrow  
Ben in Tampa : 4/15/2015 4:22 pm : link
lots of excitement down here about this squad.

I'm expecting a TB-NYR conference final.
and I get that Rangers fans tend to expect the worst  
Greg from LI : 4/15/2015 4:22 pm : link
But there's no real reason to expect the Penguins to suddenly rebound. Kris Letang ain't walking through that door. They haven't beaten a playoff team since Anaheim on March 6. Their only wins since then were:

1-0 over the Kings in OT
6-4 over Edmonton in a game that was tied at 4 late in the third
3-1 over Arizona
3-2 over Arizona
3-2 over the Sharks in a shootout
2-0 over the Sabres, a game that was 1-0 midway through the third in a game the Penguins absolutely had to win.

Those shiny possession numbers some people are bandying about as a reason to think they sudden pull a 180 were mostly compiled earlier in the season when they were dominating. Has fuck-all to do with the team the Penguins are right now. With Letang out, their 4th and 5th leading scorers are the clearly forked Kunitz and Brandon fucking Sutter. David Perron hasn't scored in 12 games.

RE: Tampa isn't going to win a Cup  
MetsAreBack : 4/15/2015 4:27 pm : link
In comment 12234539 Greg from LI said:
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Bishop has never started a Cup playoff game.


Every team has some question marks.


And he's like 6' 7" with the largest goalie pads I've ever seen. Doesnt have to do as much as others with that frame - he also has several regular seasons of data now that give you confidence he can do his part.

He'll give up some goals... everyone but Price does... but Tampa can put pucks in the net too. They may be deeper at Center than the Kings.

It's funny how Minnesota is a popular darkhorse... with a guy who has played well for 35-40 games.. but St Louis and Tampa have "goalie questions"

IF we play them in the ECF.... we're going to need some puck luck.

Anyway- since I always lose at gambling, I put decent money on Tampa (12:1) and Washington (18:1) going all the way, and NYI (18:1) winning the East (NYI cant win the Cup, no way).

So you can cross those teams off the list of East teams. I guess we just need to worry about Pittsburgh and Montreal.
It has happened, but it's rare  
Greg from LI : 4/15/2015 4:28 pm : link
And honestly Bishop hasn't been anything special this year anyway. Beyond Bishop, their top three scorers after Stamkos (Johnson, Kucherov and Palat) have played in a combined grand total of 9 playoff games between them. They're a good team and they'll be a contender for years, but this isn't the year.
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arcarsenal : 4/15/2015 4:28 pm : link
The Pens are a pretty crappy team right now and I maintain that Malkin isn't right. Between that, no Letang and the depth issues they had without even mentioning those things, it's hard to envision the Rangers needing more than 5 games to dispose of them.

If I wasn't a Ranger fan, I'd probably even pick them to sweep the series.

The Rangers are just a much, much better team than Pittsburgh is right now. But.. it is the playoffs and there's puck luck and some teams do get bounces so you never know. I'd be absolutely stunned if the Rangers lost the series or even needed 7 games to win it.
Roman Turek was huge, too. Didn't mean much.  
Greg from LI : 4/15/2015 4:32 pm : link
I didn't say Tampa has goalie problems, but I think it's reasonable to be mildly skeptical given Bishop's lack of a track record. He wouldn't be the first goalie to shine in the regular season and bomb in the playoffs like the aforementioned Roman Turek.
Well, I dont think Bishop has to be Hasek out there anyway  
MetsAreBack : 4/15/2015 4:42 pm : link
Tampa is incredibly deep down the middle, can roll 4 lines, and can put pucks in the net.

The reason they have to be considered one of the Cup favorites too is i dont think they'll be particularly challenged in the first 2 rounds. I think they beat Detroit in 5 and i dont trust Ottawa (speaking of goalie questions) or Montreal (can't score enough goals) to give them a particularly long series either.
the playoffs are a different animal  
Greg from LI : 4/15/2015 4:46 pm : link
A team as young as the Bolts is likely to hit some bumps in the road. I don't think Detroit beats them, but even given their goalie nightmare they're still a team that consistently brings it in the postseason. They won't be a pushover. I picked 6 games but 7 wouldn't surprise me either.
2 of last 3 years Detroit was bounced in 5  
MetsAreBack : 4/15/2015 4:56 pm : link
in the first round. I actually thought they made some good deadline deals, but then Cole got hurt and apparently Datsyuk has been playing with a bad injury for a while now.

Throw in some goaltender issues while you're set to get up against one of the best offenses in the NHL... i'd be surprised if it went more than 5.

Babcock is as good a coach as there is in the NHL though, no question there. Hope they can pull an upset or at least wear down TBL, but not likely.

I will give you though that the East bracket - top to bottom - has never been this good. 6 one hundred+ point teams, a 99 point team, and a 98 point team. Most years the #8 seed is a 93 point team. It's pretty wide open - i'm just assuming the Lightning and Rangers, who are a cut above others IMO, will prevail.

As we know, anything can happen... there was more of a gap between the Bruins and the rest of the field last year.... than there is Lightning/Rangers this year. Just have to hope for some breaks along the way i guess.
I'd be interested to see how the Rangers would do against Tampa  
Greg from LI : 4/15/2015 5:03 pm : link
Haven't played them since early December, before the team got hot.
the TBL and NYI type teams  
MetsAreBack : 4/15/2015 5:08 pm : link
even when we're hot... i dunno why... always seem to give us fits.

I think - guessing - its because Tampa is so good down the middle and Bishop is tough to score against.

Isles - not sure why. Yes, they have talent but the way we got our shit pushed in the first three games and then, while we won the last two, in both we did get some fortuitous bounces... one of our players said it was because "they didnt have much structure to their game ... so tough to (read)" (I'm paraphrasing)... dont really understand that reasoning but ok.

I think we are better off facing the Caps in round 2, but who knows. All the teams in the East present some opportunities and some challenges to play against.
The Isles play that intense forcheck that gives the Rangers trouble  
Greg from LI : 4/15/2015 5:11 pm : link
The Bruins and the Kings play a similar style and the Rangers struggle with them, too. Don't think Tampa really plays that way, can't say I see them all that often. They don't get on national TV very much.
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BrettNYG10 : 4/15/2015 5:12 pm : link
Rangers in 4
Capitals in 5
Ottawa in 6
Detroit in 6

St. Louis in 6
Chicago in 6
Vancouver in 5
Ducks in 7
oooh, Brett with the bold pick against Tampa!  
Greg from LI : 4/15/2015 5:16 pm : link
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Brett's just going opposite of MAB  
MetsAreBack : 4/15/2015 5:23 pm : link
probably a good move - though I did pick Montreal in the ECF last year (a broken clock is right twice a day, but it was a monumental upset over Boston)

I cant remember the last time only one first round series went 7 games though. Usually get at least 3 of them going 7.

If Brett's right... Wash-NYR and Ott-Detroit East semifinals? Holy shit sign me up for that.
RE: 2 of last 3 years Detroit was bounced in 5  
Deej : 4/15/2015 5:28 pm : link
In comment 12234639 MetsAreBack said:
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I will give you though that the East bracket - top to bottom - has never been this good. 6 one hundred+ point teams, a 99 point team, and a 98 point team. Most years the #8 seed is a 93 point team. It's pretty wide open - i'm just assuming the Lightning and Rangers, who are a cut above others IMO, will prevail.


This is a real interesting question to me. The top 8 in the East are a better group than they've been in years, I have little doubt. I still think the West is better.

I have a really hard time comparing today's NHL to the league of 10 and 20 years ago (let alone the 1980s). From everything I've seen and heard/read, the league has never been deeper with talent than it is right now (in the expansion era). The quality of play is so high on all but a handful of sad-sack teams. The "marginal" NHLer is way, way better than at any time I've been watching, My working theory is that the stars are as good as ever, but with better goalie play and technique (you really need to lift the puck in the post-standup-goalie era to score, and that take longer), and rosters bereft of goons and other guys who cant hang, there just arent the easy goals that used to fuel 60 goal and 125 point seasons. So the 8 East teams are really good; but I just think the whole league has really elevated its game too.
who are my fellow Rangers fans  
B in ALB : 4/15/2015 5:32 pm : link
rooting for the Caps-Stix series?
Sink  
MookGiants : 4/15/2015 5:33 pm : link
hole.
RE: the TBL and NYI type teams  
Deej : 4/15/2015 5:33 pm : link
In comment 12234657 MetsAreBack said:
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even when we're hot... i dunno why... always seem to give us fits.


Puck possession. We're not a great puck possession team, but because we excel in so many other phases, we can easily overcome being out-possessed against most teams. However, when the other team is REALLY good at puck possession, things get hairier.

Isles and Lightening were #1 and #3 in the East in CF%, and the #2 team Pittburgh had a very uneven season.
My round one picks:  
Metnut : 4/15/2015 5:40 pm : link

Isles in 7 (Isles are better 5 on 5 team)
Rangers in 7 (Rangers advance but Crosby/Malkin make them sweat)
Bolts in 5 (most talented team in nhl)
Senators in 6 (upset special #1)

Blackhawks in 7 (Toews back helps CHI, this will be a great series)
Canucks in 4 (how did Calgary make the playoffs?)
Blues in 7 (pure tossup series)
Jets in 6 (upset special #2, records aside, Jets have played better hockey for a while, Ducks' one goal magic ends)


I think the Caps  
MetsAreBack : 4/15/2015 5:41 pm : link
too much circus and drama in an Islanders series, and we're in the Caps heads a little bit, i think. KO'd them twice in the past 3 seasons, and controlled H2H this year.

and as others have said, if you can hold Ovi and Backstrom in check... you should be OK.

But I've learned there really isnt any easy playoff series out there, especially this year. The '94 Islanders arent walking through that door, unfortunately.
RE: My round one picks:  
MetsAreBack : 4/15/2015 5:44 pm : link
In comment 12234713 Metnut said:
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Blackhawks in 7 (Toews back helps CHI, this will be a great series)
Canucks in 4 (how did Calgary make the playoffs?)
Blues in 7 (pure tossup series)
Jets in 6 (upset special #2, records aside, Jets have played better hockey for a while, Ducks' one goal magic ends)



It's really, really tough to sweep a playoff series, even if Calgary does supposedly suck. Throw in some goaltending issues in Vancouver - they might win in 5, but dont count Calgary completely out.

I do think people underrate Anaheim a bit. Dont get me wrong - they would not survive the Metro, certainly not the Central, and would lose in the 2nd round to Tampa... but if they can't get to the WCF this year with that bracket, with LA sitting at home... they should blow it all up and start over.
Fair enough  
Metnut : 4/15/2015 5:48 pm : link
on both. Figured I'd be bold and pick a sweep there but I'm really not all that bullish on Vancouver either honestly.

This is the Ducks best chance in a while with LAK out. I think the Jets home ice is going to be crazy and they've really played good hockey for a while. I see the series as close to a tossup and think the Jets can do it.

Yeah Jets are a solid team  
MetsAreBack : 4/15/2015 6:01 pm : link
but this home ice stuff.... its as good as your talent, no? Pretty much every team has a nice, loud home playoff crowd.
RE: who are my fellow Rangers fans  
hudson : 4/15/2015 6:55 pm : link
In comment 12234704 B in ALB said:
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rooting for the Caps-Stix series?

Iraq v Iran.
RE: RE: who are my fellow Rangers fans  
Deej : 4/15/2015 7:39 pm : link
In comment 12234803 hudson said:
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In comment 12234704 B in ALB said:


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rooting for the Caps-Stix series?


Iraq v Iran.

How about Pens-Rangers?
CRAZY HABS SENS GAME  
Deej : 4/15/2015 8:42 pm : link
Habs were up 2-1. Subban slashes, gets 5 and a gamer. OTT PPG, MTL SHG, and now OTT PPG all on the 5 minute penalty. 3-3 game now.
5 goals  
Deej : 4/15/2015 8:42 pm : link
in less than 5 minutes.
Yeah, this is a wild game.  
arcarsenal : 4/15/2015 8:43 pm : link
The playoffs have arrived.
The Styx are looking very good  
Greg from LI : 4/15/2015 8:49 pm : link
It would be 3-0 if not for a LOLak misplay of the puck. Chippy game.
the Predators  
MookGiants : 4/15/2015 9:13 pm : link
are kicking the Blackhawks ass. 3-0 late 1st
Crawford yanked for Scott Darling  
YAJ2112 : 4/15/2015 9:37 pm : link
to start the 2nd for Chicago
3-2  
JayBinQueens : 4/15/2015 9:49 pm : link
sharp did a good job staying with it
Blackhawks tie it on the PP  
YAJ2112 : 4/15/2015 10:01 pm : link
Toews.
and the Canadiens hang on  
YAJ2112 : 4/15/2015 10:01 pm : link
for victory.
#pekkarinne  
arcarsenal : 4/15/2015 10:01 pm : link
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USA Network just put on  
Giants2012 : 4/15/2015 10:19 pm : link
Canucks vs Flames
Subban  
pjcas18 : 4/15/2015 10:29 pm : link
should have gotten a penalty, no doubt about it, I could even see a major, but ejected from the game was absolutely ridiculous.

RE: Subban  
MookGiants : 4/15/2015 10:31 pm : link
In comment 12235226 pjcas18 said:
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should have gotten a penalty, no doubt about it, I could even see a major, but ejected from the game was absolutely ridiculous.


Major penalty + injury = automatic ejection.
RE: RE: Subban  
pjcas18 : 4/15/2015 10:32 pm : link
In comment 12235229 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12235226 pjcas18 said:


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should have gotten a penalty, no doubt about it, I could even see a major, but ejected from the game was absolutely ridiculous.




Major penalty + injury = automatic ejection.


Stone returned to the ice immediately after leaving it.

What's the penalty for embellishment?

he doesn't  
MookGiants : 4/15/2015 10:38 pm : link
have to be out for the entire game for their to be an injury.

The referee isn't a doctor, he has to determine right on the spot if a guy is injured, and how was he supposed to know immediately that the guy would come back in a few minutes later?

If any type of injury occurs on a slash, it's an automatic major and ejection. The ref had no choice.

He embellished it but that was a vicious slash at the same time. You do that and you better be ready to hit the showers.
and didn't  
MookGiants : 4/15/2015 10:40 pm : link
Stone leave the game for good later on?

He clearly had some type of injury from that slash. It doesn't have to be an immediate game ending injury.

The way the rule is written the officials had no choice, they aren't doctors who can say for 100% certain a guy isnt injured.
It didn't seem like rhe ref didn't even saw the slash  
pjcas18 : 4/15/2015 10:42 pm : link
he saw Stone rolling around on the ice.

It's a judgment call to be a major penalty in the first place. I've seen two-handers like that go for minors.



I didn't see Stone  
pjcas18 : 4/15/2015 10:43 pm : link
leave again. I think he finished the game, in fact he instigated a fight.
All I know is that  
Deej : 4/15/2015 10:47 pm : link
Kreider is a reckless player.
So the Isles now need to drop four in a row  
BlueHurricane : 4/15/2015 10:53 pm : link
For Brett's prediction to come true. Not gonna happen. We are taking this series in 5. 6 tops.
Darling has made some unbelievable saves here.  
arcarsenal : 4/15/2015 10:57 pm : link
If the Hawks win this game I don't know how you tell him he has to sit Game 2.
Yeah  
YAJ2112 : 4/15/2015 11:00 pm : link
Stone was involved in the fight after the final whistle
RE: It didn't seem like rhe ref didn't even saw the slash  
MookGiants : 4/15/2015 11:04 pm : link
In comment 12235250 pjcas18 said:
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he saw Stone rolling around on the ice.

It's a judgment call to be a major penalty in the first place. I've seen two-handers like that go for minors.




Not a judgement call if the ref determines the player is hurt. It's automatic.
Here is an example  
pjcas18 : 4/15/2015 11:07 pm : link
that might be in your mind, this rule hasn't changed, Adam Graves two-hands Mario Lemieux in the 1992 playoffs, what did the refs call?

So you see, it's a judgment call.

Graves slashes Lemieux - ( New Window )
and we have our first OT of the playoffs  
YAJ2112 : 4/15/2015 11:08 pm : link
in Nashville
RE: Here is an example  
MookGiants : 4/15/2015 11:18 pm : link
In comment 12235276 pjcas18 said:
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that might be in your mind, this rule hasn't changed, Adam Graves two-hands Mario Lemieux in the 1992 playoffs, what did the refs call?

So you see, it's a judgment call. Graves slashes Lemieux - ( New Window )


They blew that call, clearly. Although I do not know how the rule was then.

But the rule as it is right now, if the player is injured, it's automatic.

They are capable of blowing calls and screwing up the rules, and they may have in that instance, but tonight they did not.

Wasn't Graves suspended for 4 games after that one, too? Which would signal that they blew the call on the ice.

Here is the rule.

61.3 Major Penalty - A major penalty, at the discretion of the Referee based on the severity of the contact, shall be imposed on a player who slashes an opponent. When injury occurs, a major penalty must be assessed under this rule

They obviously felt there was an injury. Once they make that call, there is nothing else to consider.
2nd part of rule  
MookGiants : 4/15/2015 11:19 pm : link
61.5 Game Misconduct Penalty Whenever a major penalty is assessed for slashing, a game misconduct penalty must also be imposed.
I also  
MookGiants : 4/15/2015 11:21 pm : link
have no idea how you know that the rule is exactly as it was 23 years ago. Do you have a copy of the rule book from 1992?
A suspension  
pjcas18 : 4/15/2015 11:23 pm : link
might be absolutely warranted. I'd be ok with that. Let the league decide not real time.

It was a stupid play bu Subban, no excuses, I think the right call was a 2 min minor for slashing, and let the league review and decide on a suspension.

I could live with a 5 min major if they have a way to do that without the misconduct.

giving someone the gate because you think a player was injured is too hard to judge real time.

RE: I also  
pjcas18 : 4/15/2015 11:23 pm : link
In comment 12235288 MookGiants said:
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have no idea how you know that the rule is exactly as it was 23 years ago. Do you have a copy of the rule book from 1992?


If you listen to the video in the link the announcers said the Pens coach was pissed because it wasn't a 5 min major and a game misconduct.
RE: RE: I also  
MookGiants : 4/15/2015 11:27 pm : link
In comment 12235292 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 12235288 MookGiants said:


Quote:


have no idea how you know that the rule is exactly as it was 23 years ago. Do you have a copy of the rule book from 1992?



If you listen to the video in the link the announcers said the Pens coach was pissed because it wasn't a 5 min major and a game misconduct.


That doesn't mean that it had to be automatic like it is today. I honestly have no idea what the rule exactly stated then, that video doesn't make it clear either. Obviously it should have been more than a 2 minute minor.
Reading articles  
MookGiants : 4/15/2015 11:29 pm : link
about the suspension I am not seeing anything about the referees blowing the rule.

If the rule in 1992 read like it does now, then the referee in 1992 simply had no idea what the rule was, because it was clear that Lemieux was injured.

That leads me to believe the rule wasn't what it is now. I guess it's possible the referee just had no idea what the rule book said, but I think that's very unlikely. And nothing in the 3 articles ive found so far have mentioned it.
anyways  
MookGiants : 4/15/2015 11:35 pm : link
this blackhawks game is fuckin awesome.
Amazing game in Nashville  
Giants2012 : 4/15/2015 11:38 pm : link
Tough first round series.
RE: anyways  
pjcas18 : 4/15/2015 11:40 pm : link
In comment 12235301 MookGiants said:
Quote:
this blackhawks game is fuckin awesome.

it's awesome, love playoff hockey.
Not so sure  
MookGiants : 4/15/2015 11:51 pm : link
about that one, especially in overtime. At the very least they got the wrong guy
I think they should have let it  
pjcas18 : 4/15/2015 11:52 pm : link
go, especially after letting the questionable play on Nashville go (and I agreed with that no call)
that was a game  
MookGiants : 4/16/2015 12:25 am : link
that Nashville absolutely could not lose, especially with a 3-0 lead.

Brutal. Great game to watch though. Keith ends it.
Calgary  
MookGiants : 4/16/2015 12:27 am : link
and Vancouver tied at 1 with 5 to go on USA Network.
wow.... that's gotta be devastating for Nashville  
Greg from LI : 4/16/2015 12:28 am : link
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Flames  
MookGiants : 4/16/2015 12:33 am : link
score with about 30 seconds to go to take 2-1 lead!
man..I get up for a second to let my dogs out  
Greg from LI : 4/16/2015 12:35 am : link
And miss the goal. Too bad, I was looking forward to another OT.
re: the Graves slash  
Davisian : 4/16/2015 12:57 am : link
It wasn't pretty, but there's a clip on YouTube of much of that game and you see slashes almost as bad from both teams all game long. It was definitely in the game much more then.

It was actually surprising that Graves even got a suspension.

Now it's a clear cut game or two.



Bacon Cup...  
Run with 81 : 4/16/2015 2:02 am : link
Did somebody say BACON!!!!!
Did somebody say BACON? - ( New Window )
....  
BrettNYG10 : 4/16/2015 8:15 am : link
Washington's crowd was absolutely dreadful. Can't believe that was a playoff game.

The Islanders played a very good game defensively. I was impressed. I can't think of too many quality scoring opportunities for the Capitals, despite seemingly holding the puck for the majority of the second half of the game. They were all outside shots, etc.

The Predators loss was brutal. To go up 3-0 and lose...

The Senators/Habs series could be a great one. That rule needs to be amended - Subban did not deserve to be ejected for that.

Didn't see the Calgary/VAN game. I don't think too highly of either team, but my distrust in Anaheim gives the winner a legitimate shot at the WCF.
Outside of the Sedin's, there's really nothing particularly impressive  
arcarsenal : 4/16/2015 8:42 am : link
.. about the Nucks.

Of all the teams in the WC playoffs, the Canucks just seem the least threatening.
Road teams went 3-1 on day 1  
YAJ2112 : 4/16/2015 9:03 am : link
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.  
arcarsenal : 4/16/2015 12:45 pm : link
Stone has a microfracture. So, there's that...
RE: .  
figgy2989 : 4/16/2015 12:47 pm : link
In comment 12235971 arcarsenal said:
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Stone has a microfracture. So, there's that...


Yet Subban got nothing as far as suspension. Makes no sense. The league should have waited until they found out the injury severity before immediatly saying there would be no further punishment.

Well there's no reason they can't go back and change their minds...  
jv : 4/16/2015 12:49 pm : link
I mean I'm sure they won't but they can if they'd like to..
yeah  
pjcas18 : 4/16/2015 12:52 pm : link
surprised there is no suspension.

although no idea what a wrist microfracture is.

The only google links are about Stone.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/16/2015 1:00 pm : link
I wouldn't be furious if he wasn't suspended. I kinda think the game misconduct was sufficient. It was shitty but I didn't feel like it was overwhelmingly malicious.

What Byfuglien did to Miller a couple weeks ago seemed a lot worse as far as intent goes, IMO.
What makes Subban's slash interesting is that he threatened  
Andy in Halifax : 4/16/2015 1:04 pm : link
Stone the last time they played and clearly targeted him last night. A broken wrist off a baseball swing slash... definitely deserved 5 and a game. Absurd to think otherwise Brett.
I agree with arc.  
Andy in Halifax : 4/16/2015 1:05 pm : link
No suspension, but 5 and game was entirely sufficient.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/16/2015 1:06 pm : link
Didn't know there was a little bit of a history between them. I thought Subban just lost his cool.

That changes things slightly but I still don't think he deserves a suspension. I do think he should have been ejected as he was though.
The interesting thing will be the retaliation  
pjcas18 : 4/16/2015 1:13 pm : link
Cameron, stupidly, came out publicly and said if Subban isn't suspended the Senators will slash one of Montreal's players.

If he said nothing and just let hockey take care of itself it would happen and be over, but because he said that if someone does retaliate there will have to be punishment IMO.
As fans of each team, we kinda knew this would get ugly  
Andy in Halifax : 4/16/2015 1:18 pm : link
They've hated each other from 2013, and its only gotten worse since.

Ottawa has to be careful though, they can't goon it up and lose focus on winning. They can't go down 0-2. It sounds cowardly, but they might be better off to bait Montreal into penalties and try and sneak a W before going home. It's not like Montreal will intimidate anyone, that's not how they're built.
Apparently Chris Neil  
jv : 4/16/2015 1:19 pm : link
will be in the lineup if Stone can't go. I'm sure that will be uneventful.
RE: As fans of each team, we kinda knew this would get ugly  
pjcas18 : 4/16/2015 1:21 pm : link
In comment 12236055 Andy in Halifax said:
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They've hated each other from 2013, and its only gotten worse since.

Ottawa has to be careful though, they can't goon it up and lose focus on winning. They can't go down 0-2. It sounds cowardly, but they might be better off to bait Montreal into penalties and try and sneak a W before going home. It's not like Montreal will intimidate anyone, that's not how they're built.


Not cowardly at all, it's smart. Especially if the player of target is Subban, he's not exactly known for his discipline.


...  
BrettNYG10 : 4/16/2015 1:22 pm : link
1. Fuck you Andy.

2. I really don't think injuries should dictate suspensions. Something I really hate with the NHL.
It'd be fun if we can extend this into a long series  
Andy in Halifax : 4/16/2015 1:23 pm : link
Losing Stone would hurt, he's been our leader and best player during this run. Could end up being a classic series if Ottawa can get game 2 and make it competitive.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/16/2015 1:27 pm : link
From someone with no dog in the fight, I think this is going to be a looooong, awesome series. I think it'll be the best one in he EC this round.
Montreal  
pjcas18 : 4/16/2015 1:38 pm : link
lucked out as the 2nd seed in the east to play the hottest team in the NHL.

Ottawa went 21-3-3 since mid-February. Hammond was 20-1-2 in that time.

And MTL was without their best player and penalty killer and it was evident last night.

Ottawa was 2 for 5 on the PP last night and it almost was the downfall for Montreal.

OTT had 2 PP goals and a MTL own goal for their 3 goals.
Yeah, Ottawa's PP is dreadful.  
Andy in Halifax : 4/16/2015 1:49 pm : link
Montreal needs to correct a few things there as they were caught over pursuing and losing guys near the net a few times last night. That could/should bite them in the ass if not corrected.

Of course, opening night of the playoffs against a heated rival, players are bound to lose their position once in a while - they are a pretty decent PKing team so I assume they will correct a few things and improve as the series moves on.

Hopefully, opening night jitters explains a few poor performances from Ottawa too - Ceci, in particular, was dreadful. Responsible for 3 of the goals against last night with miscues.
RE: Yeah, Ottawa's PP is dreadful.  
pjcas18 : 4/16/2015 1:59 pm : link
In comment 12236127 Andy in Halifax said:
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Montreal needs to correct a few things there as they were caught over pursuing and losing guys near the net a few times last night. That could/should bite them in the ass if not corrected.

Of course, opening night of the playoffs against a heated rival, players are bound to lose their position once in a while - they are a pretty decent PKing team so I assume they will correct a few things and improve as the series moves on.

Hopefully, opening night jitters explains a few poor performances from Ottawa too - Ceci, in particular, was dreadful. Responsible for 3 of the goals against last night with miscues.


Was Ceci the defenseman who let Flynn walk out of the corner on the game winning goal?

the center (Pageau?) was very hesitant to play Flynn and should have, I couldn't see what defenseman it was though who got beat.
Yeah, Ceci lost his man on the GWG in the corner  
Andy in Halifax : 4/16/2015 2:10 pm : link
also lost his man in the corner on the first goal and coughed up the puck at the blueline on the SHG.

He's usually really solid - for a team with a really thin blueline we can't have our #3 shit the bed like that.

That's not meant to take away credit from the 4th line of Montreal - they were fantastic. Extremely impressive.
to his credit  
pjcas18 : 4/16/2015 3:34 pm : link
Subban says they got the call right, on the ice.
Downie is a douche  
The 12th Man : 4/16/2015 9:24 pm : link
The guy needs to get laid out.
TB loses despite outshooting DET 46-14  
BrettNYG10 : 4/16/2015 10:16 pm : link
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RE: TB loses despite outshooting DET 46-14  
JayBinQueens : 4/16/2015 10:52 pm : link
In comment 12237071 BrettNYG10 said:
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That's crazy
Road teams now 5-2  
YAJ2112 : 4/17/2015 12:06 am : link
and Winnipeg leading Anaheim in the 2nd
Lets Go  
10to13td : 4/17/2015 12:10 am : link
Red Wings.
hfboards  
Deej : 4/17/2015 10:04 am : link
I think is getting a little overrated. It is not the be-all that some want to make it out to be. I could find a lot of things that have insane correlation to winning a cup. For example, if you want to win a cup you better have have a Selke finalist.

I didnt see the TB-DET game. From the sh
sorry  
Deej : 4/17/2015 10:05 am : link
for that post title. I was going to link to some data someone collected on HFBoards (which I hate yet cant stop reading), and screwed up the post.
RE: TB loses despite outshooting DET 46-14  
pjcas18 : 4/17/2015 10:06 am : link
In comment 12237071 BrettNYG10 said:
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Two words, Pavel Datsyuk.

RE: Downie is a douche  
feelflows : 4/17/2015 10:06 am : link
In comment 12236900 The 12th Man said:
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The guy needs to get laid out.


did you hear Pierre McGuire? I actually burst out laughing.. he was LIVID!!!!
RE: sorry  
feelflows : 4/17/2015 10:08 am : link
In comment 12237480 Deej said:
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for that post title. I was going to link to some data someone collected on HFBoards (which I hate yet cant stop reading), and screwed up the post.


no problem.. HFBOARDS is overrated and complete trash! I go on to look at stats for some lower level players and that's it..

there's no such thing as a conversation.. God forbid someone goes on a tangent.. moderators step in and delete the post and warn you?? I'd tell them to eat shit, but they'd delete it lol
RE: sorry  
BrettNYG10 : 4/17/2015 10:08 am : link
In comment 12237480 Deej said:
Quote:
for that post title. I was going to link to some data someone collected on HFBoards (which I hate yet cant stop reading), and screwed up the post.


What the fuck is overrated then, cliff-hanging fuck?
I meant to say puck possession  
Deej : 4/17/2015 10:11 am : link
is getting overrated, in reference to the DET-TB game (which I missed). My jumping off point was some post on HF Boards about that TB really won the game because of puck possession, except they lost because of the score. It was bizarre. But then I couldnt find the post.

My head isnt on straight today.
I know it's still a bit away  
feelflows : 4/17/2015 10:14 am : link
but holy crap.. if the Isles and Rangers play like they did in game 1, this board can get very intense in a couple of weeks lol
Oh, HFBoards is terrible  
Deej : 4/17/2015 10:17 am : link
It's just a vice I cant quit. Havent posted there in years, but Im a consistent lurker. Reading the Habs fans bitching about Kreider-Price is like my Fox News of sports -- I get more pleasure out of being pissed off reading that than I do reading Rangers-side stuff.

Occasionally I feel a strong urge to post something, but Im always able to resist. I really wanted to post in the Habs-Sens game thread comparing the Subban slash to the Kreider "run" on Price.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 4/17/2015 10:26 am : link
I totally agree on puck possession. It's interesting, but Corsi is agnostic to shot quality.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/17/2015 10:33 am : link
I believe LA had the highest CF% this year and they're not even in the playoffs.

Corsi gives me a good indication of how a game I wasn't able to watch went. It's a good reference but I've never put a whole lot of stock in it because of the fact that shot quality has no variable weight in its equation.
Once they sort out the shot quality issue, like Brett said,  
Andy in Halifax : 4/17/2015 10:40 am : link
Corsi will be a really great stat.
War on Ice has been working on one, I think.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/17/2015 10:43 am : link
Nothing will ever replace watching the games, but they definitely help you think a bit differently. I enjoy the advanced stats, but can't stand when they're used out of context or as the end-all, as Deej said.
Here we go  
Fish : 4/17/2015 10:46 am : link
with the Corsi shit again.
Subban slash  
pjcas18 : 4/17/2015 10:48 am : link
and Kreider collision are not remotely similar.

Subban tomahawked Stone. He can argue intent I guess, maybe say he was trying to hit the stick of Stone or something, but he didn't he accepts his penalty as the right call.
Remember that time Fish contributed to a conversation?  
BrettNYG10 : 4/17/2015 10:48 am : link
Me neither.

Islanders aren't getting enough credit for playing a sound defensive game the other night. Mostly reading people shitting on Washington.

I'm really looking forward to the OTT/MTL game. Hope it goes 7.

Preds are cooked if they don't win tonight, IMO.
I'm disappointed the Islanders Caps series is the same time  
Andy in Halifax : 4/17/2015 10:51 am : link
as the Sens. I was really looking forward to watching that one. Something about old Patrick division rivalries excites me.
hey  
Fish : 4/17/2015 10:57 am : link
dickface, Im a bottom line guy. Its either a win or a loss. All this other shit is meaningless.
RE: to his credit  
RinR : 4/17/2015 11:01 am : link
In comment 12236383 pjcas18 said:
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Subban says they got the call right, on the ice.


Thats quite the change since he was jumping up and down right after it happened like Stone ran into his stick. Then he came back into the tunnel when Stone returned pouting like a 5 yr old.
I have two questions for those who use the NBC Sports App  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/17/2015 11:05 am : link
for games.

Question 1 is in regards to the Rangers tonight: I have a friend, die hard fan, who will be in Florida for a wedding tomorrow. He lives in New York City and obviously his cable info is based her, but the location of his phone will be in Florida. Will he be able to watch the Rangers on the NBC App or will he be subject to blackout restrictions due to his cable information being based in NY?

Question 2 is in regards to the Islanders: Getting wayyy ahead of myself here, but I have a wedding that would potentially happen during an Islanders ECF game. If that were to happen, I would be in New York City, but at that juncture, are all games national? My point being: would I be subject to blackout restrictions if I used the app in NYC at that point in the postseason?
by "tonight" with the Rangers  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/17/2015 11:06 am : link
I meant for tomorrow, of course.
flyers fire Berube  
feelflows : 4/17/2015 11:10 am : link
joke of a franchise lol
Berube probably sealed his fate with the Steve Mason fiasco  
Greg from LI : 4/17/2015 11:15 am : link
I'm sure Hextall will have that franchise turned around in no time! hahaha
RE: Berube probably sealed his fate with the Steve Mason fiasco  
feelflows : 4/17/2015 11:23 am : link
In comment 12237671 Greg from LI said:
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I'm sure Hextall will have that franchise turned around in no time! hahaha


I hear that Randy Carlyle is available.. make the call RONNIE!!!!
.  
arcarsenal : 4/17/2015 11:26 am : link
LOL.. Holtby is "sick" or something is wrong with him and the Caps had to recall Grubauer.

Can't make it up.
Holtby will play, according to Twitter.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/17/2015 11:27 am : link
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RE: RE: to his credit  
pjcas18 : 4/17/2015 11:28 am : link
In comment 12237641 RinR said:
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In comment 12236383 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


Subban says they got the call right, on the ice.



Thats quite the change since he was jumping up and down right after it happened like Stone ran into his stick. Then he came back into the tunnel when Stone returned pouting like a 5 yr old.


Yeah, can't imagine an athlete in the heat of the moment overreacting.
RE: Berube probably sealed his fate with the Steve Mason fiasco  
BrettNYG10 : 4/17/2015 11:35 am : link
In comment 12237671 Greg from LI said:
Quote:
I'm sure Hextall will have that franchise turned around in no time! hahaha


Kings fans said that Hextall kept Lombardi grounded with his logical thought process and that he's missed.

I don't know what he's like as a GM obviously, but I find that hilarious.
Yes and no.  
Andy in Halifax : 4/17/2015 11:38 am : link
After the baseball chop, jumping up and down as if to say "are you serious?? How did you call that" was a bit much.

But in a the middle of a heated rivalry, it may have been a desperate attempt to avoid a penalty (they were already shorthanded). Not sure he's gaining any favors with teh refs though as he had a similar reaction earlier when he high sticked a Senator in the face. Not sure how that penalty was over turned, btw.

Regardless, sucks that Stone is injured but I think the refs got that one right. Brett can tell me to fuck off all day, but no way is that a minor penalty and I think 5 and a game was enough based on the action.

Losing Stone is a serious blow to Ottawa's chances. Our advantage in forward depth is gone and we already had the second best goaltender in the series.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 4/17/2015 11:40 am : link
Andy, I really hate the game misconduct. My issue is with the rule more so than the call (now that I read up on it and re-watched). 5 seemed appropriate.

Still, fuck off.
Did not hear McGuire was watching the broadcast through MSG  
The 12th Man : 4/17/2015 11:41 am : link
Can only imagine what he was saying. Downie could have had another penalty in the 3rd with about 8 minutes to go.

Islanders getting no credit, personally that makes me happy. Let them use whatever excuse they want for why they lost, I hope they are using the same ones for the Capitals again tonight.

I was surprised the Flyers fired Berube knowing how well they played down the stretch.

I'll fuck off the day Davisian grows a pair  
Andy in Halifax : 4/17/2015 11:44 am : link
Ain't happenin!
RE: I'll fuck off the day Davisian grows a pair  
The 12th Man : 4/17/2015 11:48 am : link
In comment 12237732 Andy in Halifax said:
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Ain't happenin!


Good Luck with that.

Subban deserved the 5 minutes.
RE: RE: RE: to his credit  
RinR : 4/17/2015 11:51 am : link
In comment 12237702 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 12237641 RinR said:


Quote:


In comment 12236383 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


Subban says they got the call right, on the ice.



Thats quite the change since he was jumping up and down right after it happened like Stone ran into his stick. Then he came back into the tunnel when Stone returned pouting like a 5 yr old.



Yeah, can't imagine an athlete in the heat of the moment overreacting.


Please.

Two handed tomahawk but "Hey it was an accident"
RE: ....  
pjcas18 : 4/17/2015 11:55 am : link
In comment 12237720 BrettNYG10 said:
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Andy, I really hate the game misconduct. My issue is with the rule more so than the call (now that I read up on it and re-watched). 5 seemed appropriate.

Still, fuck off.


I said the same Wed night, I think 5 is an appropriate penalty, but it seems that's not an option. The rule should be adjusted
Both GMs  
pjcas18 : 4/17/2015 6:17 pm : link
Bergevin and Murray apparently issued a warning by the league and told the league would be keeping an eye on the series (no shock there).

And it looks like Pacioretty will be back
Pacioretty and  
pjcas18 : 4/17/2015 6:19 pm : link
Stone are both called Game time decisions
RE: Pacioretty and  
BrettNYG10 : 4/17/2015 6:23 pm : link
In comment 12238381 pjcas18 said:
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Stone are both called Game time decisions


Pussies.
Holtby out for the Caps.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/17/2015 6:27 pm : link
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why am i not surprised  
MetsAreBack : 4/17/2015 6:34 pm : link
Islanders record setting year of backup goaltenders continues.

As Rangers fan, didnt care who won that NYI-WAS series, but needed it to go 6-7 games so the Caps size and heavy game could wear NYI down a bit.
RE: RE: Pacioretty and  
pjcas18 : 4/17/2015 6:51 pm : link
In comment 12238384 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 12238381 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


Stone are both called Game time decisions



Pussies.


Agree.
Pacioretty  
pjcas18 : 4/17/2015 6:53 pm : link
is in the lineup
I feel  
pjcas18 : 4/17/2015 6:55 pm : link
like it's a "Daniel Lorusso's gonna fight" moment.

RE: why am i not surprised  
arcarsenal : 4/17/2015 6:57 pm : link
In comment 12238393 MetsAreBack said:
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Islanders record setting year of backup goaltenders continues.

As Rangers fan, didnt care who won that NYI-WAS series, but needed it to go 6-7 games so the Caps size and heavy game could wear NYI down a bit.


Amazing, isn't it?

We can't say much because we had an entire series of Tokarski in the ECF and Emery played most of the 1st rd last year but we also didn't face about 30 backups in the regular season.

I don't have much preference as far as who actually wins the series but I want it to go as long as possible and if the Caps fall into an 0-2 hole going back to LI, their chances of pushing it to even 6 games is going to be slim.
yup  
MetsAreBack : 4/17/2015 7:04 pm : link
Thats what I said earlier re: winner and series length

on Emery - mason did play 4 of those games and emery actually played pretty well for them in game 2. game 1 not even Carey price was going to beat us.... we were making it rain with quality scoring chances that night. only game we may have caught a break was game 3

and tokarski shockingly played well in the ECF. can't think of a game we won because he was in net.

but anyway it's not about having something to complain about - who cares if someone has the high ground. all teams need some luck to advance - just annoys me the islanders are getting some right now.
lmao could Grabeur be any worse?  
MetsAreBack : 4/17/2015 8:33 pm : link
3-2. if caps don't win tonight good night - they have to find a way
Caps suck balls and are historically hilarious  
djm : 4/17/2015 8:37 pm : link
..isles in 6
Tht was an absolute  
pjcas18 : 4/17/2015 8:37 pm : link
rocket from Subban
The Caps have dominated play for most of this period..  
arcarsenal : 4/17/2015 8:42 pm : link
Gotta get that next goal.

Hoping the Sens knot it up with MTL.
I wondered why the Caps play such  
B in ALB : 4/17/2015 8:58 pm : link
awful fucking music in between play and it turns out that Ovechkin wants euro trash EDM music whenever he's on the ice. Dude plays on one side of the blue line and he's dictating music. Better yet, the trash bag franchise puts up with it. Garbage city.
Big goal  
pjcas18 : 4/17/2015 10:04 pm : link
from the American. Galcheynuk wins it in OT
That's  
MookGiants : 4/17/2015 10:14 pm : link
a pathetic goal to give up for Hammond. That puck has to be stopped every time
He knew it right away.  
arcarsenal : 4/17/2015 10:16 pm : link
Real tough loss for the Senators.

Sharp just scored a nasty goal. Tied in Nashville.
Yeah  
pjcas18 : 4/17/2015 10:22 pm : link
soft goal, that's maybe not surprisingly how a lot of OT's end.

Corey Crawford laid an egg tonight  
Anakim : 4/18/2015 12:26 am : link
.
Not playoffs, but...  
pganut : 4/18/2015 12:41 am : link
Mr. Erin Andrews, a/k/a Jarrett Stoll of the Kings, arrested and charged today with drug possession. Not smart heading into FA with no contract. And EA ain't stayin' with no non-job havin' felon. Some people is just stupid.

Jarret Stoll Arrested For Cocaine, MDMA in Las Vegas
Blow and molly...  
BurberryManning : 4/18/2015 12:51 am : link
Sounds like a weekend in LA, Coachella, Vegas, etc...I doubt Erin is/was shocked
Rich, lives in LA, done workin until August..  
Davisian : 4/18/2015 12:52 am : link
Pretty sure that's the exact time to have blow, Molly and Erin Andrews..
I call that "Saturday night" ...  
arcarsenal : 4/18/2015 12:57 am : link
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RE: Rich, lives in LA, done workin until August..  
BurberryManning : 4/18/2015 12:58 am : link
In comment 12238758 Davisian said:
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Pretty sure that's the exact time to have blow, Molly and Erin Andrews..


Yea, we probably could've even disregarded location...rich, weekend? Gotcha. Great way to stay in shape though...
Gonna dance that shit dryyyyyy  
Davisian : 4/18/2015 1:06 am : link
..
wait.....so is he getting blown by Molly, or by Erin Andrews?  
Greg from LI : 4/18/2015 2:26 am : link
So confused. ..
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 4/18/2015 9:54 am : link
Nashville/Chicago is really exciting hockey. I still find the Western games to be more exciting than the East overall.

I wonder if Crawford's benched.
This crap about the West better than East  
MetsAreBack : 4/18/2015 10:10 am : link
isn't true anymore. Especially if we get MTL-TBL and NYR-NYI semifinals over here.

A TBL-NYR ECF would be every bit the skill displayed in last year's CHI-LA series.

The worst two teams in the entire tournament are Vancouver and Calgary, so I feel like i'm only watching 3 playoff series out West.... Anaheim's road to the final 4 couldn't be easier.

I expect Caps-Isles to get even more intense and thrilling as the series moves on. And Wings-TBL could be a lot of fun too (I still expect TBL to roll in 6 games tops). Not surprised the clock struck midnight on Hamburglar and the Sens, but both of those games were close at least.
Not better.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/18/2015 10:11 am : link
More exciting.

The East definitely surpassed the West this year.
And I dont know much about Darling...  
MetsAreBack : 4/18/2015 10:12 am : link
but Q has quite the decision to make. Let's not forget Crawford was not particularly stellar last postseason either.
Well, so far the best individual game  
MetsAreBack : 4/18/2015 10:13 am : link
was G1 Chicago at Nashville.... but its early yet. Washington-NYI is going to produce a classic moment at some point, no doubt. Series is shaping up to go 6 minimum, and probably 7. Isles do need Hamonic back though.
......  
BrettNYG10 : 4/18/2015 10:19 am : link
If Holtby's out for the series, the Islanders will win. Grubauer was terrible.
RE: ......  
MookGiants : 4/18/2015 10:20 am : link
In comment 12238903 BrettNYG10 said:
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If Holtby's out for the series, the Islanders will win. Grubauer was terrible.


Wasn't Holtby sick last night and not injured?
RE: RE: ......  
BrettNYG10 : 4/18/2015 10:23 am : link
In comment 12238905 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12238903 BrettNYG10 said:


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If Holtby's out for the series, the Islanders will win. Grubauer was terrible.



Wasn't Holtby sick last night and not injured?


Yeah - apparently he was sick before game one too (might explain his mediocre play).
The Isles blew a big opportunity last night.  
arcarsenal : 4/18/2015 10:26 am : link
Not really surprising. I feel like 9 out of 10 times they'll blow a 2 goal lead.

CHI/NSH is definitely my favorite series in the West right now.
RE: Not playoffs, but...  
Deej : 4/18/2015 10:29 am : link
In comment 12238756 pganut said:
Quote:
Mr. Erin Andrews, a/k/a Jarrett Stoll of the Kings, arrested and charged today with drug possession. Not smart heading into FA with no contract. And EA ain't stayin' with no non-job havin' felon. Some people is just stupid.

Jarret Stoll Arrested For Cocaine, MDMA in Las Vegas


The LA Kings: best possession team in the NHL.
RE: Well, so far the best individual game  
pjcas18 : 4/18/2015 10:40 am : link
In comment 12238896 MetsAreBack said:
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was G1 Chicago at Nashville.... but its early yet. Washington-NYI is going to produce a classic moment at some point, no doubt. Series is shaping up to go 6 minimum, and probably 7. Isles do need Hamonic back though.


Agree, but Price made a game saving save on Michalek in a 2-2 game last night that could have been a major momentum stealer. The announcers made it sound like more of a gimme goal than it would have been, but still no idea why Michalek hesitated as much as he did.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 4/18/2015 10:51 am : link
That series has been really exciting. I hope it goes 7. Montreal is looking pretty good.
pjcas tries to bring the Habs into every discussion  
MetsAreBack : 4/18/2015 10:53 am : link

fuckin' pathetic. I'd rather face the Habs than TBL in an ECF (if we get there, obviously) though, so ... good luck?
RE: The Isles blew a big opportunity last night.  
timintey : 4/18/2015 10:57 am : link
In comment 12238909 arcarsenal said:
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Not really surprising. I feel like 9 out of 10 times they'll blow a 2 goal lead.

They really did. Not easy for me to say "no sweat, we're tied going back home". Up 3-1 with a AAA goalie in there, you gotta put those games away...and yes, they've done this far too many times under Cappy...
refs give Tampa an absurd powerplay  
MetsAreBack : 4/18/2015 3:23 pm : link
just because stamkos was involved in a scrum. Tampa cashes in. this game won't be close.
RE: pjcas tries to bring the Habs into every discussion  
pjcas18 : 4/18/2015 3:28 pm : link
In comment 12238930 MetsAreBack said:
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fuckin' pathetic. I'd rather face the Habs than TBL in an ECF (if we get there, obviously) though, so ... good luck?


LOL, guilty. I don't like associating with most Habs fans, so I have resorted to hockey fans on a Giants fan forum.

I feel like if Price plays like he did this season (as so far he has) those teams rooting for MTL instead of TB deserve what they get if it happens.

If Price plays his game, and the team stays healthy no one in the league scares me. Rangers are obvious the favorites, but they can't play until the ECF, so outside of them, TB and OTT did the most because of their speed, and MTL slow D like Markov, but they've been good through 2 games.
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 4/18/2015 3:59 pm : link
There's definitely not any frightening team this year. No team of 2013-2014 Boston caliber or LA - even this year's version of Chicago is weaker than last year's IMO.
RE: RE: pjcas tries to bring the Habs into every discussion  
MetsAreBack : 4/18/2015 4:20 pm : link
In comment 12239103 pjcas18 said:
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I feel like if Price plays like he did this season (as so far he has) those teams rooting for MTL instead of TB deserve what they get if it happens.



Nobody said MTL was easy. But they aren't as good as Tampa. And they weren't as good as Boston last year either, which is why we were all happy when you knocked off the Bruins.

Its a lesser of two evils kind of thing. Hopefully we get a rematch, Frenchie.
RE: .....  
arcarsenal : 4/18/2015 4:38 pm : link
In comment 12239115 BrettNYG10 said:
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There's definitely not any frightening team this year. No team of 2013-2014 Boston caliber or LA - even this year's version of Chicago is weaker than last year's IMO.


The Rangers are the frightening team.
TBL-NYR  
MetsAreBack : 4/18/2015 4:47 pm : link
would be last year's Kings-Hawks. Could go either way. So much talent on the ice + the whole Callahan / Boyle / Stralman / MSL drama

Biggest reason I want Washington to beat NYI is I don't want this team emotionally drained heading into that 7-game war with Tampa.
Home teams have certainly responded in game 2  
MetsAreBack : 4/18/2015 4:49 pm : link
assuming St Louis holds on to its 2-0 lead, the home teams will be 6-0 in game 2.

Meanwhile we've got to snap this game 2 curse of ours right? 1-8 in game 2's since 2011, most of them at MSG. Right???
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 4/18/2015 4:51 pm : link
WAS is a better matchup for the Rangers, IMO.

Bishop has bounced back nicely today, unfortunately.
WAS  
MetsAreBack : 4/18/2015 4:55 pm : link
better matchup + less media circus + this whole 'last year at the Barn' Alamo crap + I don't have to hear "yes yes yes" on gamethreads

We'd beat Washington... my only one concern would be their heavy game wearing on us, but with a little luck we should bounce them in 5.
Weber not travelling with team to Chicago  
MetsAreBack : 4/18/2015 4:59 pm : link
for second straight year, Hawks manage to take out the other team's captain early in the first round.... though obviously last night's check was fairly innocuous. Tough break for Nashville.
Agreed with all that.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/18/2015 5:03 pm : link
Washington is also a bit dirty at times, I'm worried about a cheap shot hurting someone (always a concern obviously).
RE: RE: RE: pjcas tries to bring the Habs into every discussion  
pjcas18 : 4/18/2015 5:13 pm : link
In comment 12239126 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 12239103 pjcas18 said:


Quote:



I feel like if Price plays like he did this season (as so far he has) those teams rooting for MTL instead of TB deserve what they get if it happens.





Nobody said MTL was easy. But they aren't as good as Tampa. And they weren't as good as Boston last year either, which is why we were all happy when you knocked off the Bruins.

Its a lesser of two evils kind of thing. Hopefully we get a rematch, Frenchie.


No need to explain, give a choice of TB or the Rangers as a Habs fan I'd rather face the Rangers. I think MTL matches up well against the Rangers (especially in MTL).
Hell of a third period in St Louis  
MetsAreBack : 4/18/2015 5:36 pm : link
Blues basically fighting for their playoff lives - Backes saves a tying goal.
Well last night certainly put a damper  
MetsAreBack : 4/19/2015 8:40 am : link
on my enthusiasm to watch today's quadruple header. Fuck.
MAB  
pganut : 4/19/2015 8:46 am : link
Sometimes walking away for a day (on an off day) does wonders. I didn't get to see anything on TV yesterday till about 9pm due to my kids' sports events yesterday, and when I finally sat down, I watched the Mets game...it helped clear my head immensely.
Anderson is apparently filling in for the Hamburglar tonight?  
BrettNYG10 : 4/19/2015 1:44 pm : link
Weird.
RE: Anderson is apparently filling in for the Hamburglar tonight?  
MookGiants : 4/19/2015 1:45 pm : link
In comment 12239960 BrettNYG10 said:
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Weird.


Not weird. Hammond has been bad the first two games, and he was absolutely pitiful in game 2
The GW was a softy, but I didn't think he was pitiful.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/19/2015 2:59 pm : link
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did you see the goal  
MookGiants : 4/19/2015 3:05 pm : link
where he was completely caught out of position and never even got down when he had plenty of time to do so?
I hear what you are saying Mook  
MetsAreBack : 4/19/2015 3:46 pm : link
but the Hamburglar is the only reason that team made the playoffs in the first place. I don't think this is the right long-term move for that organization - they aren't a Cup contender this year anyway.

When the Devils were pushing our shit in 2006... did the Rangers bench Hank for Weekes?
Senators  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2015 7:59 pm : link
playing like a desperate team, hard hitting, good skating, great first period (other than the score)
Sens sure were physical (holy cow!).  
Andy in Halifax : 4/19/2015 8:04 pm : link
But I thought Montreal had the better chances. Ottawa can't play like that for 3 periods, its impossible. They need to get better quality chances on Price. He's too good, won't let in perimeter stuff. Ottawa needs to get pucks closer to the net with traffic or hope Anderson gets in one of his zones.
RE: Agreed with all that.  
hudson : 4/19/2015 8:10 pm : link
In comment 12239150 BrettNYG10 said:
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Washington is also a bit dirty at times, I'm worried about a cheap shot hurting someone (always a concern obviously).

I'd say WAs too except I live in the DC area...
RE: RE: Agreed with all that.  
MetsAreBack : 4/19/2015 8:42 pm : link
In comment 12240340 hudson said:
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In comment 12239150 BrettNYG10 said:


Quote:


Washington is also a bit dirty at times, I'm worried about a cheap shot hurting someone (always a concern obviously).


I'd say WAs too except I live in the DC area...



At this point, who cares who we play. This team simply needs to pull their heads out of their asses, get back to the basics, lay a little wood... advance and let the chips fall where they may.

Penguins with the win last night went from 25% odds to win the series to 40% - and if they shore up their defense injuries tomorrow, odds will rise higher.


But then again i'm responding to Hudson. He had a great night last night. Dick.
another high intensity  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2015 8:47 pm : link
period. if you don't enjoy watching a game like this you will simply never like hockey.

Montreal doing a great job spacing out Ottawa  
Andy in Halifax : 4/19/2015 9:03 pm : link
negating any real transition attack. Ottawa respecting Montreal's quickness as well. At some point, Ottawa will have to live or die playing their own game and not be scared of Montreal's game.
Great action through 2 periods though.  
Andy in Halifax : 4/19/2015 9:04 pm : link
They were saying in the intermission the average number of hits in a playoff game is 18. Through 2 periods there have been 67 hits in this game, many of them massive.
RE: Great action through 2 periods though.  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2015 9:07 pm : link
In comment 12240386 Andy in Halifax said:
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They were saying in the intermission the average number of hits in a playoff game is 18. Through 2 periods there have been 67 hits in this game, many of them massive.


Incredible hitting, mostly by Ottawa, and Karlsson is playing like Scott Stevens.

He is better than I thought.

I'm glad that both Montreal hasn't tried to retaliate and taken a penalty nor have they been intimidated.

Anderson is the other story so far. he's been great.
Anderson has been great  
MetsAreBack : 4/19/2015 9:14 pm : link
only because I said Hamburglar should have started. Figures.

I still think going with a 34 year old over the guy who got you here is the wrong move. Whether Hammond is the long-term guy or not, you know unequivocably that Anderson isn't winning you a Cup. Maybe a game or two, but who gives a shit if you lose in 4 or 6.
I feel like there has been a penalty called every 5 minutes.  
arcarsenal : 4/19/2015 9:22 pm : link
Basically for most of this series.

Every time you turn around, there's someone in the box.
RE: I feel like there has been a penalty called every 5 minutes.  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2015 9:24 pm : link
In comment 12240400 arcarsenal said:
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Basically for most of this series.

Every time you turn around, there's someone in the box.


Mostly fair calls other than the one on Pacioretty just now.
Wiese  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2015 9:31 pm : link
for a 4th liner has some big goals
LOL.. Dale Weise, man...  
arcarsenal : 4/19/2015 9:31 pm : link
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Wiese  
MookGiants : 4/19/2015 9:32 pm : link
is such an annoying scrub.

Incredible bounce there for the Canadiens
I hate over the glass  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2015 9:38 pm : link
delay as an automatic call
RE: I hate over the glass  
BrettNYG10 : 4/19/2015 9:47 pm : link
In comment 12240412 pjcas18 said:
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delay as an automatic call


I do too. I don't recall it ever being a significant enough issue at the time to require the rules implementation.
It's annoying, but it is what it is.  
Andy in Halifax : 4/19/2015 9:50 pm : link
I don't like it when a player swipes at a puck and it goes over for a penalty. Happened once to each team this series so that's not the issue, but it just seems a bit harsh to penalize a guy who never had control of a puck.

Anyway, I just think Montreal is the better team at this point. I'd love to blame injuries to Stone and Ryan, but that's BS. Montreal has just flat out been better through 9 periods. They've really exposed Ottawa's d not named Karlsson or Methot.
This is it for the Senators.  
arcarsenal : 4/19/2015 9:58 pm : link
They have to find a way to take this game.
that's a brutal call  
MookGiants : 4/19/2015 10:06 pm : link
especially when they missed a real bad boarding on the Canadiens earlier
Wow, how do you call THAT???  
Andy in Halifax : 4/19/2015 10:06 pm : link
Terrible.
huge  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2015 10:10 pm : link
win
Well. Fuck  
Andy in Halifax : 4/19/2015 10:11 pm : link
But a deserved win.
And even if thiat is a penalty  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2015 10:11 pm : link
you don't call it in OT in the playoffs.
LOL.. again.. Dale Weise.  
arcarsenal : 4/19/2015 10:12 pm : link
Can't make it up.

Looks like the end of the road for the Cinderella Sens unfortunately.. barring a miracle.
I told you  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2015 10:12 pm : link
Wiese gets some big goals, that's kind of a soft one though
that  
MookGiants : 4/19/2015 10:14 pm : link
should not have counted. Clearly went off of Prust's glove. Wow
#1 seeds  
MetsAreBack : 4/19/2015 10:17 pm : link
Habs and Ducks in cruise control. Blues and Rangers in dog fights.

Fuck pjcas. Assuming you advance, just beat Tampa please - could there be anything worse for Rangers fans than not winning ... again... and seeing Callahan the year after Gaborik raise a Cup?
RE: RE: RE: Agreed with all that.  
hudson : 4/19/2015 10:22 pm : link
In comment 12240364 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 12240340 hudson said:


Quote:


In comment 12239150 BrettNYG10 said:


Quote:


Washington is also a bit dirty at times, I'm worried about a cheap shot hurting someone (always a concern obviously).


I'd say WAs too except I live in the DC area...




At this point, who cares who we play. This team simply needs to pull their heads out of their asses, get back to the basics, lay a little wood... advance and let the chips fall where they may.

Penguins with the win last night went from 25% odds to win the series to 40% - and if they shore up their defense injuries tomorrow, odds will rise higher.


But then again i'm responding to Hudson. He had a great night last night. Dick.

No actually this first round is a cant win for me.
Worse, either the Caps advance and Ovi is the new God or the Isles win and break their twenty two year drought.
Either the Rangers great season is destroyed or the Pens get a quick exit and another setback.
The only positive is, I expect the Pens to lose in 6, and don't think they'd have beaten the Isles or Caps, and losing to them for the Pens would be a lot worse.
I don't think it hit Prust's glove.  
Andy in Halifax : 4/19/2015 10:24 pm : link
Hard to see, but looked like a funny bounce off the glass.
Didn't look like it hit the glove  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2015 10:26 pm : link
to me either real time, in slow-mo on my DVR, or to the officials on replay, but of course to Mook it was clear.

I looked at it  
MookGiants : 4/19/2015 10:27 pm : link
about 20 times and I absolutely think it hit Prust's glove.

The sens bench, which was right there, thought so too, and that was in real time. Before the puck ever was in the net.
I'm not saying it didn't  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2015 10:31 pm : link
I don't see it hitting the glove. I have it on DVR and watched it a ton of times and it doesn't look like it touches the glove to me.

so if it did, it definitely isn't clear.
As an unbiased fan...  
damdevs : 4/19/2015 10:41 pm : link
as in my loser team is teeing it up right now....that went off Prust glove! No doubt about it...not even close.

Not only did the all 4 blind mice miss it, Toronto F'd up and missed it too (or chose not to do anything about it). The press in Canada will be all over this....shame it had to end like this, it was a great game
LOL  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2015 10:53 pm : link
not even close, Ok. watch the video, it hits the stanchion. Prust puts his hand up to try and swipe it but misses completely.

Show me the better video or even an image of it hitting his glove, otherwise your "not even close" is a ridiculous comment.

In either case, and I said it might have hit his glove, but there is no way possible Mooks comment of "clearly" and yours of "not even close" are the opposite of the truth. if it did in fact hit his glove it was not clear and not obvious, even on replay.
MTL Game Winning Goal - ( New Window )
This WPG/ANA game is insane.  
arcarsenal : 4/20/2015 10:54 pm : link
Everyone is just flying. Trading goals.. the crowd is fucking electric.
It has been loud  
pganut : 4/20/2015 11:03 pm : link
Up in the Peg. They love their team.

And they interviewed Adam Lowery's mom in the stands...very attractive woman.
Yes indeed.  
arcarsenal : 4/20/2015 11:18 pm : link
I want to root for WPG here... Byfuglien is making that very difficult. He's a complete fucking dirtbag.
RE: #1 seeds  
Fish : 4/20/2015 11:21 pm : link
In comment 12240456 MetsAreBack said:
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Habs and Ducks in cruise control. Blues and Rangers in dog fights.

Fuck pjcas. Assuming you advance, just beat Tampa please - could there be anything worse for Rangers fans than not winning ... again... and seeing Callahan the year after Gaborik raise a Cup?


man the fuck up
RE: This WPG/ANA game is insane.  
Deej : 4/21/2015 8:00 am : link
In comment 12241960 arcarsenal said:
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Everyone is just flying. Trading goals.. the crowd is fucking electric.


Western conference hockey.
Three times the Jets carried a lead into the 3rd..  
arcarsenal : 4/21/2015 8:48 am : link
...and 3 times they blew it and lost the game.

Oof. Still looking for that elusive playoff win.
Byfuglien should get suspended for that  
Greg from LI : 4/21/2015 9:28 am : link
.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/21/2015 9:36 am : link
Yeah, it's another dirtball move from a guy who does have a history now. It seems Big Buf is having a hard time keeping himself in check these days.

Shit like that has no place in the game. It was basically Dale Hunter lite.
Exactly  
Greg from LI : 4/21/2015 9:38 am : link
He's got an official league history now after the Miller suspension, so his defenders can't pull the "hey, he's never been disciplined before!" card they used after the Miller hit. And this wasn't a case of a guy making a hockey play but using a dirty move to do so, it was just a flat-out sucker punch from behind after the play was over. Dale Hunter lite is exactly right.
to be fair  
Kyle in NY : 4/21/2015 9:39 am : link
everybody hates Corey Perry. But yes that was a dirty play
.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/21/2015 9:43 am : link
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Pierre loves the dirtbags - ( New Window )
Bolts about to go down 2-1 in the series  
Deej : 4/21/2015 9:38 pm : link
which is odd since I was told that they already won the East. UNSTOPPABLE.
RE: Bolts about to go down 2-1 in the series  
JayBinQueens : 4/21/2015 9:41 pm : link
In comment 12243495 Deej said:
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which is odd since I was told that they already won the East. UNSTOPPABLE.

Detroit is a team I never want to see in the playoffs they're like the cardinals of baseball. Always find a way
Is DET/TB the only series that had 2 days between Games 2 and 3?  
arcarsenal : 4/21/2015 9:45 pm : link
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And Washington/Brooklyn is even 2-2  
Anakim : 4/21/2015 10:39 pm : link
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LOL.. so much for that rainbow.  
arcarsenal : 4/21/2015 10:40 pm : link
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RE: LOL.. so much for that rainbow.  
JayBinQueens : 4/21/2015 10:42 pm : link
In comment 12243599 arcarsenal said:
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I don't pay as close attention to other games. And I'm 100% not using this as an excuse. But to those that watch a lot of hockey. Does Tavares break more sticks than anyone else you've seen?

(The game tonight was lost when they went 0-3 when they had 3 PPs in a row)
Stick the rainbow  
KWhite2250 : 4/21/2015 10:43 pm : link
Up your fucking ass
I think too many sticks break in general..  
arcarsenal : 4/21/2015 10:45 pm : link
It's surprising to me that given all the technology out there that they still haven't figured out how to make these sticks a little more resistant to busting. You see at least 5 break every game. Shouldn't be that frequent.
bad karma  
MookGiants : 4/21/2015 10:49 pm : link
fellas.
Karma isn't real.  
arcarsenal : 4/21/2015 10:52 pm : link
My rooting interest lies directly in a 7 game series here. I don't care who wins Game 5 as long as the other team wins Game 6.
Mook  
KWhite2250 : 4/21/2015 10:57 pm : link
Im already prepared for the isles to lose the series. They have broken my heart enough times already in my life and made me suffer enough through the shit years. I honestly will never expect another series win until it actually happens.

And I absolutely expect your team to make the misery much worse when its all said and done.
rooting for them to lose isn't the bad karma  
MookGiants : 4/21/2015 10:58 pm : link
but the little jabs with the rainbow is.

Rangers still have business to take care of. Let's just worry about that.
Kathryn Tappen  
MookGiants : 4/21/2015 11:25 pm : link
schwing
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Route 9 in LEH : 4/22/2015 1:07 am : link
Lol that puck was missing for a while
RE: Kathryn Tappen  
Route 9 in LEH : 4/22/2015 1:10 am : link
In comment 12243630 MookGiants said:
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schwing


That and she's one of the more likeable female sportscasters as opposed to say Erin Andrews and every woman they got on NFL Network
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Route 9 in LEH : 4/22/2015 1:32 am : link
Anybody alive out there in BBI land? Nashville and Chicago still going in 2OT.
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Route 9 in LEH : 4/22/2015 1:59 am : link
Jesus Christ. 3 overtimes.
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Route 9 in LEH : 4/22/2015 2:18 am : link
Fuck. That sucks for Nashville. Chicago wins, again. Goodnight my baby! Seabrook
The NAS-CHI series was over  
NYerInMA : 4/22/2015 9:54 am : link
when CHI came back from a 3-0 hole in Game 1. Preds are not mentally tough enough to hang with the Blackhawks.
Gretzky on McDavid  
Deej : 4/22/2015 11:03 am : link
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"He's as good as I've seen in the last 30 years, the best player to come into the League in the last 30 years, the best to come along since [Mario] Lemieux and [Sidney] Crosby," Gretzky said. "He can definitely change a franchise's fortunes.


Wowza. I'd put Lindros in that group as a prospect too, especially after he played in the Canada Cup while still in juniors (and scored 3 goals). I mean, the Rangers were willing to give Amonte, Kovalev, Beezer/Patrick, Weight, 3 #1s, and $12 million for him.

I hope he's a good ambassador for the sport, and in particular better than Crosby.
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arcarsenal : 4/22/2015 11:08 am : link
I'd be fucking furious if I were a Sabres fan.

Not that Eichel is a terrible consolation prize but if McDavid is the generational talent some seem to think he is, man.. they got screwed.
well  
djm : 4/22/2015 11:08 am : link
the fact that McDavid didn't puke his guts up while on national TV after the Oilers were announced as the #1 team speaks volumes about the kid's character.
RE: .  
Metnut : 4/22/2015 11:14 am : link
In comment 12244013 arcarsenal said:
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I'd be fucking furious if I were a Sabres fan.

Not that Eichel is a terrible consolation prize but if McDavid is the generational talent some seem to think he is, man.. they got screwed.


I don't think the Sabres got screwed. They only had a 20% or so shot at getting #1 overall. The worst team doesn't have any sort of right to the top pick IMO, that's why there's a draft lottery. The Oilers somehow winning the lottery again is a whole other story.
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arcarsenal : 4/22/2015 11:17 am : link
That's exactly why I'd be so annoyed. Because it's Edmonton.. again.
so.....how will the Oilers fuck this up?  
Greg from LI : 4/22/2015 11:18 am : link
Because you know they will manage to do so.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 4/22/2015 11:19 am : link
Fuck the Sabres. They tanked and it didn't work out. Tough shit.
and it's not like the Sabres aren't getting a tremendous player  
Greg from LI : 4/22/2015 11:22 am : link
There's a dropoff from McDavid to Eichel, but Eichel would be the overall #1 pick 95% of the time. He just happened to be in the same class as a truly once-in-a-generation prospect. It's not like they're going from McDavid to Alexandre Daigle.
RE: and it's not like the Sabres aren't getting a tremendous player  
Deej : 4/22/2015 12:10 pm : link
In comment 12244045 Greg from LI said:
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There's a dropoff from McDavid to Eichel, but Eichel would be the overall #1 pick 95% of the time. He just happened to be in the same class as a truly once-in-a-generation prospect. It's not like they're going from McDavid to Alexandre Daigle.


Daigle was very well regarded before the draft (remember, Kariya and Pronger were in that draft too). I'd say that in the last 25 years, the "fuck, I guess I'll take that guy" #1 overalls were: JOVO, Chris Philips, Stefan (maybe), and MAF. DiPietro was a stupid pick, but that's a different thing entirely.

Pens got the #1 pick they used on MAF plus a late #2 and Mikael Samuelsson (indisputably a bottom 6 forward) for #3 and a mid #3. Staggeringly poor return for trading out of #1 overall. The Philips draft (1996) was the worst draft I've ever seen, maybe in any major sport. Only two guys ever made multiple all star games -- Chara (#56) and Kaberle (#204).
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I'm in the minority  
pjcas18 : 4/22/2015 12:53 pm : link
here, but I believe the gap between Eichel and McDavid is miniscule.

Eichel is bigger, stronger, Patrick Kane.

McDavid is probably similar to Crosby in a lot of regards without the demonstrated edge (or whatever you want to call it Crosby plays with).

But...I have a tendency to favor American players, not normally from a skill standpoint, just that I want them to be successful.
RE: ....  
schabadoo : 4/22/2015 12:56 pm : link
In comment 12244041 BrettNYG10 said:
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Fuck the Sabres. They tanked and it didn't work out. Tough shit.


This.
read a Canadian hockey blog post suggesting  
Greg from LI : 4/22/2015 2:43 pm : link
That the Sabres are thinking about tanking again next season and telling Eichel to stay in college for one more year.
He should finish his degree and sign with the Rangers  
BrettNYG10 : 4/22/2015 2:49 pm : link
After graduating.

They'll probably be pretty bad anyway. The Capitals were still shit Ovechkin's rookie year.
yep  
Greg from LI : 4/22/2015 3:02 pm : link
Plenty of examples - the '05-06 Caps, the '05-06 Penguins who sucked with an 18 year old Crosby, the '89-90 Nordiques who lost 61 games despite a 39-63-102 season from a 19 year old Joe Sakic, the '84-85 Penguins who lost 51 in LePew's rookie year. Hell, the '90-91 Nordiques still lost 50 games with Sakic scoring 109 points AND a young Mats Sundin.
this is kind of funny  
Greg from LI : 4/22/2015 3:08 pm : link
Looking up teams for that last post, I came across the '83-84 Red Wings in Yzerman's rookie year. That team was loaded with past and future Rangers - five of their top 10 scorers were Ron Duguay, John Ogrodnick, Kelly Kisio, Brad Park and Eddie Johnstone. Eddie Mio was on the team too.

They also had a bunch of future coaches and GMs - Ted Nolan, Colin Campbell, Barry Melrose and Ken Holland.
Next Year's potential  
pjcas18 : 4/22/2015 3:10 pm : link
#1 Auston Matthews (and American) is an incredible prospect.

Could be the first American to go #1 overall since Kane.
RE: read a Canadian hockey blog post suggesting  
Deej : 4/22/2015 3:27 pm : link
In comment 12244451 Greg from LI said:
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That the Sabres are thinking about tanking again next season and telling Eichel to stay in college for one more year.


This would be pretty surprising.
The guy won the Hobey  
pjcas18 : 4/22/2015 3:55 pm : link
Baker, Hockey East player of the year, and led the NATION in points, assists and plus minus

As an 18 year old freshman.

I'm no hockey development expert, but I'm pretty sure repeating that level isn't necessary.

Buffalo might tank again, but I see no reason for Eichel to return to BU.

a)it ensures the tank  
Greg from LI : 4/22/2015 4:16 pm : link
b)there's speculation (or so the piece claimed) that Eichel took losing the championship fairly hard and wouldn't mind returning for one more season to win the title.
I would think the Eichel  
Deej : 4/22/2015 5:42 pm : link
would want to burn a year to get to RFA/UFA faster. And I'd think the Sabres would want Eichel in the fold ASAP. What if he goes back to BU, they lose another heartbreaker, and the Sabres are a total clusterfuck? What if Reinhart comes back and is again overmatched physically and has to go to the WHL, Grigorenko again shows nothing, and the worst concerns re Kane prove true? Buffalo was really, really horrible last year. Isnt there SOME risk that Eichel would at that point pull a Lindros/Steve Francis?

I dont think a culture of losing is a good thing. The Oilers are not a good model. They should try to sign Eichel ASAP. Things might be different if he was a Junior guy, where you could ink him and then demote him anyway, but under current rules, just sign him.
RE: this is kind of funny  
Giants2012 : 4/22/2015 5:54 pm : link
In comment 12244500 Greg from LI said:
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That team was loaded with past and future Rangers - five of their top 10 scorers were Ron Duguay, John Ogrodnick, Kelly Kisio, Brad Park and Eddie Johnstone. Eddie Mio was on the team too.



Neil Smith was in the Wings organization after a stint with the Isles and then back to NY. He was close to all those players.
RE: a)it ensures the tank  
pjcas18 : 4/22/2015 6:08 pm : link
In comment 12244614 Greg from LI said:
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b)there's speculation (or so the piece claimed) that Eichel took losing the championship fairly hard and wouldn't mind returning for one more season to win the title.


I see, I misunderstood, I thought they were suggesting Eichel needs another year of college to develop further. If they want him at BU so they can be worse it makes perfect sense, if he's willing.
Without Carey Price  
pjcas18 : 4/22/2015 8:05 pm : link
Montreal is a very average team. Maybe even out of the playoffs depending on who he'd be replaced with.

I'm starting to think he's vezina and hart worthy - even though I think the voting is over.
I've been saying that for awhile.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/22/2015 8:19 pm : link
Get on the fucking Price bandwagon.
I have never seen  
pjcas18 : 4/22/2015 8:21 pm : link
this penalty called - face off violation after a warning.

RE: Without Carey Price  
Deej : 4/22/2015 8:28 pm : link
In comment 12244905 pjcas18 said:
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Montreal is a very average team. Maybe even out of the playoffs depending on who he'd be replaced with.

I'm starting to think he's vezina and hart worthy - even though I think the voting is over.


I did some back of the envelope math towards the end of the season and figured out that Price was good for something like 48 fewer goals vs a replacement level goalie (which is actually better than some starters).
Damn, the Blues scored 3 goals in the 1st 10 minutes.  
nygmen84 : 4/22/2015 10:04 pm : link
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Tampa down 2-0  
schabadoo : 4/23/2015 8:45 pm : link
Can be down 3-1 in the series. That wasnt supposed to happen.
RE: Tampa down 2-0  
BrettNYG10 : 4/23/2015 9:08 pm : link
In comment 12246636 schabadoo said:
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Can be down 3-1 in the series. That wasnt supposed to happen.


The Penguins were supposed to win the division with 135 points.
RE: I have never seen  
Giants2012 : 4/23/2015 9:11 pm : link
In comment 12244954 pjcas18 said:
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this penalty called - face off violation after a warning.


Really? Never heard of that yet I guess it happened.
Oh Fishsticks  
Giants2012 : 4/23/2015 9:11 pm : link
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RE: Oh Fishsticks  
pganut : 4/23/2015 9:12 pm : link
In comment 12246670 Giants2012 said:
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Really? Now?
No  
Giants2012 : 4/23/2015 9:15 pm : link
I won't
Good man.  
pganut : 4/23/2015 9:16 pm : link
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RE: RE: Tampa down 2-0  
schabadoo : 4/23/2015 9:16 pm : link
In comment 12246662 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 12246636 schabadoo said:


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Can be down 3-1 in the series. That wasnt supposed to happen.



The Penguins were supposed to win the division with 135 points.


In MABs defense, they had an easy schedule.
Been in the same position every year  
Giants2012 : 4/23/2015 9:17 pm : link
But once

shit  
B in ALB : 4/23/2015 9:35 pm : link
TB ties it in no time. That escalated quickly.
TB tied it...  
arcarsenal : 4/23/2015 9:35 pm : link
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wow, tie game  
Greg from LI : 4/23/2015 9:35 pm : link
That was fast. Pathetic defense by Detroit.
That was fast  
Giants2012 : 4/23/2015 9:36 pm : link
Very fast

Tied
great play by whoever that was on Tampa  
Greg from LI : 4/23/2015 9:42 pm : link
Game's probably over otherwise
and Tampa wins in OT  
YAJ2112 : 4/23/2015 10:00 pm : link
on a 4 on 2
that is gonna leave a mark for Detroit  
Greg from LI : 4/23/2015 10:01 pm : link
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Brad Richards just scored for CHI.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/23/2015 10:02 pm : link
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dreadful  
MookGiants : 4/23/2015 10:02 pm : link
defensive plays by Detroit to piss that game away. 27 should have cleared that, puck was not hard and went right by his stick, didnt even get a piece of it, which is all he needed to do.

Richards just scored for Chicago
Rad with a goal for Chi  
YAJ2112 : 4/23/2015 10:02 pm : link
on a leaky Rinne
2 of the 3 Tampa goals came courteous of horrid Detroit defensive  
Greg from LI : 4/23/2015 10:06 pm : link
breakdowns.

Tie game, nice goal for the Preds
RE: RE: Tampa down 2-0  
MetsAreBack : 4/23/2015 11:14 pm : link
In comment 12246662 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 12246636 schabadoo said:


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Can be down 3-1 in the series. That wasnt supposed to happen.



The Penguins were supposed to win the division with 135 points.



Good call on Tampa's demise, gentlemen. That's one of those hi-fives you wish you could have back. Can only imagine how elated you two would have been had someone here called Boston two years ago... and they trailed by 2 goals with 90 seconds left to Toronto.

And as reiterated many times - MAB not only factored in the Penguins remaining schedule, but a healthy Malkin, Letang, Ehrhoff, Pouliot, etc too.

Just thankful Pittsburgh got hammered with the injury bug and not us. (and I called 115 points, not 135... you hedge fund dick!)
...  
Route 9 in LEH : 4/24/2015 12:15 am : link
Vancouver up 2-1 on Calgary
...  
Route 9 in LEH : 4/24/2015 12:39 am : link
Vancouver wins

That Tampa Bay game was wild!
RE: ...  
Anakim : 4/24/2015 1:26 am : link
In comment 12246854 Route 9 in LEH said:
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Vancouver wins

That Tampa Bay game was wild!


Terrible last play though. Johnson had a wide-open net. He turned Kyle Quincey inside out
RE: RE: RE: Tampa down 2-0  
BrettNYG10 : 4/24/2015 7:36 am : link
In comment 12246831 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 12246662 BrettNYG10 said:


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In comment 12246636 schabadoo said:


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Can be down 3-1 in the series. That wasnt supposed to happen.



The Penguins were supposed to win the division with 135 points.




Good call on Tampa's demise, gentlemen. That's one of those hi-fives you wish you could have back. Can only imagine how elated you two would have been had someone here called Boston two years ago... and they trailed by 2 goals with 90 seconds left to Toronto.

And as reiterated many times - MAB not only factored in the Penguins remaining schedule, but a healthy Malkin, Letang, Ehrhoff, Pouliot, etc too.

Just thankful Pittsburgh got hammered with the injury bug and not us. (and I called 115 points, not 135... you hedge fund dick!)


I'm always down for some MAB bashing, regardless of current or future reality.
Senators in 7 !  
arcarsenal : 4/25/2015 10:07 am : link
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was Prust always this much of a shithead  
Greg from LI : 4/25/2015 10:14 am : link
And I just willfully ignored it because he was a Ranger? Because he's been a serious asshole in Montreal.
Yes. He's a total fuckwad.  
Andy in Halifax : 4/25/2015 10:19 am : link
Pulled similar shit when things got a bit tight 2 years ago. A lot of yap, a lot of stick work. One gaping vagina.

Still can't imagine Price losing the next two. He'll steal one and that will be that.

Ottawa came out of that game pretty banged up too, MacArthur and Pageau both hurt. Both have a good chance to play but won't be 100%.
RE: was Prust always this much of a shithead  
BrettNYG10 : 4/25/2015 10:24 am : link
In comment 12248686 Greg from LI said:
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And I just willfully ignored it because he was a Ranger? Because he's been a serious asshole in Montreal.


I was wondering the same thing. I don't remember him being as frequently dirty as I perceive him now.
Hey, if anyone can pull this off.. it's the Sens.  
arcarsenal : 4/25/2015 10:26 am : link
They've been playing on life support for like 3 months now. Chances are slim but all they have to do is win 2 in a row now.. and for a team that has had the streaks they have, I am not ruling it out and I'm definitely pulling for them.

Pressure starts to mount very quickly when you have a team on the ropes and struggle to put them away.
As soon as I type the comments  
pjcas18 : 4/25/2015 10:31 am : link
about Price I knew it would jinx him.

Last night was the first game of the series I can honestly say I thought Montreal outskated and overall outplayed the Senators.

Price was off his game, and pulling Hammond for Anderson was a ballsy move by Cameron and Anderson has been ridiculous and has absolutely been good enough to steal the series. Cameron deserves a ton of credit for keeping his team focused and positive.

Prust was always the same, but when he's your douche bag you notice or care a little less.

I'd love to see Ottawa win the next one, bring the pressure  
schabadoo : 4/25/2015 10:38 am : link
And I don't recall Prust with any suspensions or real cheap play in NY. He had a legitimate role to play.
Game 7 would be all kinds of epic  
Andy in Halifax : 4/25/2015 11:17 am : link
That building would be NUTS. We gotta see that, it would be fun for all hockey fans. But I suspect Montreal will throw the kitchen sink in game 6 and Ottawa must be just about out of gas by now.
Ottawa  
pjcas18 : 4/25/2015 11:23 am : link
has all the momentum right now. Hockey players don't get out of gas, not in April - June. I really believe 7 games doesn't matter to these guys OT doesn't matter. They might say it does because they all want to close a series out and not have to travel and things like that, but you aren't going to lose because you win a series in 7 instead of 5. or go to triple OT in one of the game.

Even up 3 - 0 MTL was not playing great and all 3 games were really close.

As I mentioned before, MTL is very average without a stellar Price. usually he is, but even slightly off and you get games like last night.

Glacheynuk has been Montreal's best player, and Subban has been downright awful.

Karlsson vs Subban for Norris? I've heard multiple announcers say that, Karlsson is such a better player.

I think the forwards are pretty evenly matched, and goalie has been since the switch to Anderson - you could even give OTT an edge in net right now, but the blue line is the difference. If anyone is out of gas it's Markov. Such a solid season, but he's old and he's been making mistakes.

And I thought Ceci was brutal for OTT after the OT loss, but he's redeemed himself. He's playing very well.
Tampa now down 3-0 with three minutes to go  
schabadoo : 4/25/2015 8:44 pm : link
...to possibly the worst team left in the playoffs.
Detroit  
pjcas18 : 4/25/2015 8:53 pm : link
is the team that doesn't scare anyone because of their goaltending mostly, but they have the best player in the league (IMO) in Datsyuk. And Zetterberg is a great complementary player/borderline star.

Datsyuk is not just good offensively, he's one of the most creative players and he's so good defensively.

not saying he can singlehandedly win a series, but if he gets help from his goalie (like tonight) I think Detroit can beat the winner of MTL/OTT
the Predators  
pjcas18 : 4/25/2015 8:59 pm : link
Blackhawks series is a lot of fun to watch.

back and forth action.

I also loved the Caps Isles game, hard hitting, great goaltending, solid game.

Matt Martin might be my favorite non-Canadiens, non American player. dude hits everything that moves.

I've liked Detroit's chances in this series  
schabadoo : 4/25/2015 9:03 pm : link
It was 180-100, almost 2-1 for your money. I'd say 99 out 100 experts predicted an easy win for Tampa. But they just can't score right now, and Bishop has been average.
with 6 seconds left  
Mike in NY : 4/25/2015 9:08 pm : link
Patrick Kane ties ita
*it at 3  
Mike in NY : 4/25/2015 9:08 pm : link
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Six goals in the first period  
schabadoo : 4/25/2015 9:13 pm : link
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Oh yeah  
pjcas18 : 4/25/2015 9:19 pm : link
absolutely, I thought TB would win the series. that speed is tough to defend, but I also thought Stamkos would dominate. Not sure what's wrong with him. Tyler Johnson has been all over the place though.

reminds me a little of Pat Verbeek.

Predators gonna win in 7  
Route 9 in LEH : 4/25/2015 9:41 pm : link
Book it!

(A BBI classic)
Does Nashville realize they are allowed to play offense still?  
YAJ2112 : 4/25/2015 10:50 pm : link
And finally the puck goes in for Chicago, that goal has been coming for about 10 minutes
...  
Route 9 in LEH : 4/26/2015 12:05 am : link
Goodnight Vancouver and Nashville
I'm still  
MookGiants : 4/26/2015 1:25 am : link
trying to figure out how Saad didn't get called for interference on Keith's game winning goal. He completely went out of his way to pick and bump into Jones and he never had the puck. Am I missing something?
brett  
MetsAreBack : 4/26/2015 9:05 am : link
one more Tampa loss to go here. The jinx continues!

(would give MTL one hell of an easy road to the ECF but whatever)

I still think Tampa comes back and wins this series - but Babcock man... one hell of a fuckin coach. The guy just continuously overachieves. Babcock coaching Pittsburgh or NYI would be downright scary.


Rooting for STL and OTT today. I want to see some Game 7s - nothing better in pro sports than hockey Game 7s, especially when your team isn't a part of it.
Agree on game 7s  
pjcas18 : 4/26/2015 9:20 am : link
in hockey, best thing in sports.

I don't mind if my team is in them.

and game 7 OT is just another level.

I know it's not practical but I wish the NHL would go to sudden death OT until there's a winner, for the regular season. baseball handles it, NHL should figure out a way.
You want sudden death  
MookGiants : 4/26/2015 11:49 am : link
in the regular season?

Do you want guys dead by the 50th game?

Comparing it to baseball is odd to say the least.
RE: You want sudden death  
pjcas18 : 4/26/2015 11:59 am : link
In comment 12249843 MookGiants said:
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in the regular season?

Do you want guys dead by the 50th game?

Comparing it to baseball is odd to say the least.


Not comparing sports, you're smarter than that. Comparing the results, no ties (and without a gimmick like a shootout)

and yes, I'd like to try it, maybe they can try it in the AHL or something.
why though?  
MookGiants : 4/26/2015 12:25 pm : link
the quality of play towards the end of the season and overtime will be greatly impacted if you ever tried it.

The overtime system needs tweaking (mostly getting rid of the shootout and 3 point games). If you win in overtime, you get 2 points and the loser gets zero. If you tie, each gets a point.

I don't see any way sudden death in the regular season could ever work. You can't have games going an extra 40 minutes in the regular season
for one I'd like to eliminate ties  
pjcas18 : 4/26/2015 12:52 pm : link
and #2, sudden death OT is just cool to watch.

I'm not sure adding 40 min (potentially) of OT to ties will have a measureable injury or fatigue impact.

Not sure. I'd at least try it.

when considering playoffs exclusively all the way back to 1930 there have only been 49 games to go beyond double OT.

at least go to a 20-min OT before the shootout and see how many shootouts it prevents.




It'd be incredibly impractical I'd think  
schabadoo : 4/26/2015 2:29 pm : link
And I'd hate missing the ending of a game because it's double overtime on a weeknight. And you'd have to get rid of back to back games. And it seems pointless. No shame in a tie.
Horrible goal given up by Allen against Minny  
NYerInMA : 4/26/2015 3:58 pm : link
In an elimination game that's especially brutal.
St Louis pulling yet another playoff failure  
MetsAreBack : 4/26/2015 4:44 pm : link

at what point do you break up that team because it just can't get it done year after year? They are this era's San Jose Sharks.
They need to find an answer between the pipes.  
arcarsenal : 4/26/2015 4:50 pm : link
Jake Allen and Brian Elliott aren't it.
Hitchcock is gonna get fired after this one  
Kyle in NY : 4/26/2015 4:51 pm : link
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Huge goal for StL.  
arcarsenal : 4/26/2015 4:59 pm : link
That's a killer goal to let in for the Wild. Changes the whole feel of the 3rd period.
ok fine...  
MetsAreBack : 4/26/2015 5:02 pm : link
trade them Talbot for Berglund or Oshie.
The Blues have never had a goalie worth a damn  
Torrag : 4/26/2015 5:05 pm : link
That whiff with the glove the other night crushed his teams belief...
Habs vs Sens  
Giants2012 : 4/26/2015 6:10 pm : link
Much see TV
....  
BrettNYG10 : 4/26/2015 6:19 pm : link
really want this to go seven.
I fucking hate the Habs  
B in ALB : 4/26/2015 6:26 pm : link
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Refs pathetic  
Giants2012 : 4/26/2015 7:22 pm : link
Cost Sens a goal
Habs with a gift of a quick whistle  
schabadoo : 4/26/2015 7:22 pm : link
Loose puck blown dead.
The refs essentially take a goal  
bigbluehoya : 4/26/2015 7:51 pm : link
For the opposition off the board in MTL? You don't say.

Save for Pacioretty/Price, this group of players is a perfect fit for the organization in that they're completely unlikeable.
I marvel at the cognitive dissonance it takes to cheer for Gallagher  
schabadoo : 4/26/2015 8:00 pm : link
Who's led the league in goaltender interference penalties and costantly falls into goalies, while holding some vendetta against Kreider.
Gallagher is a toilet stain  
B in ALB : 4/26/2015 8:42 pm : link
In fact, the Habs have quite a few guys who fit into that category.

PP Ottawa. Come on!
Surprised they didn't pull the goalie there to go  
Wuphat : 4/26/2015 8:45 pm : link
6-4 on ice
Price  
JayBinQueens : 4/26/2015 8:47 pm : link
got super lucky his helmet came off
Oh my  
pganut : 4/26/2015 8:47 pm : link
Z needed to lift that.
Omg  
Giants2012 : 4/26/2015 8:47 pm : link
Really?
...  
Route 9 in LEH : 4/26/2015 8:48 pm : link
Lol what one in Ottawa
Gosh  
Giants2012 : 4/26/2015 8:51 pm : link
Delay of game?

Habs are just sitting on the puck
Montreal  
MookGiants : 4/26/2015 8:51 pm : link
vs Detroit, who the hell would the refs blow in that series? They've been on their knees for both franchises for years
pj, congrats to you  
pganut : 4/26/2015 8:52 pm : link
(And to Spock, wherever he may be).

Andy, sorry, my friend. That was a run for the ages that your Sens put together in the last couple of months. Storybook stuff. A healthy Sens team next season will not be fun to play.
Therien  
MookGiants : 4/26/2015 8:52 pm : link
is also the biggest douche on the planet as far as coaches go, and was before he ever went to Montreal when that jerkoff was the coach of the WBS Penguins.
Great  
pjcas18 : 4/26/2015 8:53 pm : link
game, love playoff hockey.
Tough way to lose  
bigbluehoya : 4/26/2015 8:53 pm : link
Knowing that you scored the equalizer.

Price was the difference.
Bummer..  
arcarsenal : 4/26/2015 8:53 pm : link
Thought the Sens could push it to 7.
RE: pj, congrats to you  
B in ALB : 4/26/2015 8:56 pm : link
In comment 12250425 pganut said:
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(And to Spock, wherever he may be).

Andy, sorry, my friend. That was a run for the ages that your Sens put together in the last couple of months. Storybook stuff. A healthy Sens team next season will not be fun to play.


Pffffft. Fuck Spock.
RE: Great  
B in ALB : 4/26/2015 8:58 pm : link
In comment 12250427 pjcas18 said:
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game, love playoff hockey.


You're totally right about that. NHL playoffs are must see TV. A TB/MTL series would be really good too. ECF caliber.

Still hate the Habs though.
I have no hate for the Rangers  
pjcas18 : 4/26/2015 9:01 pm : link
I just don't consider them a rival like the Bruins or Maple Leafs, or even now the Senators, unless we play them.

But I get the Habs hate. A lot of asshole fans.
RE: RE: pj, congrats to you  
pganut : 4/26/2015 9:03 pm : link
In comment 12250437 B in ALB said:
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In comment 12250425 pganut said:


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(And to Spock, wherever he may be).

Andy, sorry, my friend. That was a run for the ages that your Sens put together in the last couple of months. Storybook stuff. A healthy Sens team next season will not be fun to play.



Pffffft. Fuck Spock.
C'mon, man. I need some good marks on my chit for when the big day comes, whenever that is. As of now, I'm fucked.
Thanks pga  
pjcas18 : 4/26/2015 9:08 pm : link
I'm hoping the Islanders pull it out tomorrow.

A friend of mine said he'd get me tickets for one of the games. I used to go to Nassau Coliseum once a year in my youth. We'd play Oyster Bay during the day (and get our locker room robbed every year) and then play mini-one on one's during an Islanders game that night.

It was fun, I'd like to see one of the last games.

So hopefully they win, game 7's in the NHL are can't miss sports.
There were some good games in this first round  
MetsAreBack : 4/26/2015 9:16 pm : link
but altogether, must say a little disappointing in that we're looking at just two Game 7's tops... and very few epic games in general.

With that said... the most important thing is my team advanced in 5, so ....
RE: Thanks pga  
pganut : 4/26/2015 9:23 pm : link
In comment 12250457 pjcas18 said:
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I'm hoping the Islanders pull it out tomorrow.

A friend of mine said he'd get me tickets for one of the games. I used to go to Nassau Coliseum once a year in my youth. We'd play Oyster Bay during the day (and get our locker room robbed every year) and then play mini-one on one's during an Islanders game that night.

It was fun, I'd like to see one of the last games.

So hopefully they win, game 7's in the NHL are can't miss sports.
Appreciate that, pj. I like that lots of folks have good memories of the Old Barn. Even Rangers fans have some fond memories of some Isles' thrashings there. But we've had some damn good ones there, too.
PS, I may have your wallet ;)
...  
Route 9 in LEH : 4/26/2015 9:41 pm : link
Anaheim vs Calgary , Minnesota vs Chicago in the West and Montreal vs Detroit/Tampa Bay and NY Rangers vs NY Islanders/Washington. Jeez, the Tampa Bay series hasn't even played game 6 yet. That's tomorrow night and game 7 Wednesday night, if necessary.
...  
BrettNYG10 : 4/27/2015 8:30 am : link
The Rangers will likely play Thursday and Sunday since Eric Clapton has shows Friday/Saturday at the Garden (unless they can fit in the game Saturday afternoon, but not sure how easy it is to convert the arena from ice hockey to a concert in a handful of hours - and I doubt anyone wants to risk the game going into multiple OT's).

Maybe someone can get Clapton to cancel the concert for some coke.
Congrats to the Habs on that hard fought 1-1 win last night!  
Andy in Halifax : 4/27/2015 8:39 am : link
I kid, I kid. Good luck next round pjcas. You may require a fountain of youth for Markov though, that guy has seen better days out there.

I'm not sure I think the Habs get by Tampa, but I think they match-up really well against Detroit. Any any time you have Price in nets you have a strong chance to win any series.

Cheers.
That was a fun series to watch.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/27/2015 8:41 am : link
Really even. It's hard to essentially win four coin flips in a row - especially when the opponent has the best goaltender in the world.

And Markov is getting his Brad Richards on. He's terrible.
RE: Therien  
hudson : 4/27/2015 9:40 am : link
In comment 12250426 MookGiants said:
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is also the biggest douche on the planet as far as coaches go, and was before he ever went to Montreal when that jerkoff was the coach of the WBS Penguins.

What;d he do so bad in WBS?

He is a good tactical coach, Pens played their best, most structured hockey system with this core under him and he's done the same with the Habs.
He also has mellowed out some, that was his biggest problem.
Andy, you're taking this better than I would  
Greg from LI : 4/27/2015 9:43 am : link
Much better. That whistle was insanely bad. I've seen Rangers games where Hank is on top of the puck for 2-3-4 full seconds, there's no whistle, and someone on the other team keeps whaling away at him like a lumberjack until the puck squirts in.....yet a puck that was never, ever covered up draws a whistle in the blink of an eye. Awful.
RE: ...  
NYerInMA : 4/27/2015 9:48 am : link
In comment 12250874 BrettNYG10 said:
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The Rangers will likely play Thursday and Sunday since Eric Clapton has shows Friday/Saturday at the Garden (unless they can fit in the game Saturday afternoon, but not sure how easy it is to convert the arena from ice hockey to a concert in a handful of hours - and I doubt anyone wants to risk the game going into multiple OT's).

Maybe someone can get Clapton to cancel the concert for some coke.


I had heard that the Sat. night Clapton concert will be moved if the Rangers want to play at MSG that night. So I think Thu/Sat for Games 1 and 2 is a good bet.
You're right, good catch.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/27/2015 9:50 am : link
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NYDN - ( New Window )
RE: Andy, you're taking this better than I would  
Andy in Halifax : 4/27/2015 10:03 am : link
In comment 12250995 Greg from LI said:
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Much better. That whistle was insanely bad. I've seen Rangers games where Hank is on top of the puck for 2-3-4 full seconds, there's no whistle, and someone on the other team keeps whaling away at him like a lumberjack until the puck squirts in.....yet a puck that was never, ever covered up draws a whistle in the blink of an eye. Awful.

What tops it off is they actually changed the rules to prevent this EXACT thing. They were supposed to review it and had the option of ruling it a goal.
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Rule 38.4 (viii) has been modified to allow broader discretion to Hockey Operations to assist the referees in determining the legitimacy of all potential goals (e.g., to ensure they are "good hockey goals"). The revised Rule will allow Hockey Operations to correct a broader array of situations where video review clearly establishes that a "goal" or "no goal" call on the ice has been made in error. The new expanded rule will also allow Hockey Operations to provide guidance to referees on goal and potential goal plays where the referee has blown his whistle (or intended to blow his whistle) after having lost sight of the puck.


Nothing can be done about it now, so I'll tip my cap and congratulate the Habs fans but the refs blew this call TWICE. Once with the bad whistle, then again when they either failed to realize they could go top review or chose not to. But this is sports and refs fuck up all the time. It was just the Sens turn to get the raw end of the deal.
Wow....I didn't know that was the rule now  
Greg from LI : 4/27/2015 10:05 am : link
You're right - it's much, much worse than it appeared at the time.
.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/27/2015 1:01 pm : link
Tampa Bay Head Coach Jon Cooper Accuses Red Wings Of Cheating
Detroit CBS - ( New Window )
RE: .  
Deej : 4/27/2015 4:06 pm : link
In comment 12251531 BrettNYG10 said:
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Tampa Bay Head Coach Jon Cooper Accuses Red Wings Of Cheating Detroit CBS - ( New Window )


Someone needs the waaambulance. I thought the Lightening were already in the Finals?
The Red Wings have done that shit for years  
B in ALB : 4/27/2015 4:08 pm : link
it's nothing new. Sounds like Cooper is in crisis mode trying to get his team to nut up. Gonna be tough on the road tonight.

Two great games later.
never forget...  
MetsAreBack : 4/27/2015 6:27 pm : link

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Hank has a lot to prove
Deej : 4/13/2015 3:33 pm : link
He's kind of got a Peyton Manning thing going


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Puck possession scares me a bit
Deej : 4/13/2015 1:26 pm : link
Cant be too dismissive of the advanced stats. We were not a top 10 possession team in any 1/3 segment of the season. What worries me are great puck possession teams. A massive imbalance of possession would be a lot to overcome IMO. Easier path for us would be PITT > WASH (not NYI) > Not Tampa Bay in ECF > Not CHI in SCF.


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I think Rangers-Pens goes 6-7 games
Deej : 4/15/2015 4:17 pm : link : reply
but it might be Pens in 6-7.



Seriously where the fuck did Tyler Johnson come from?  
MetsAreBack : 4/27/2015 8:48 pm : link
Wasnt he undrafted?

the longer this game goes scoreless  
YAJ2112 : 4/27/2015 9:02 pm : link
the more it favors the Islanders I think
Well, that should open the game up some  
YAJ2112 : 4/27/2015 9:12 pm : link
and Detroit only down 1 now.
I've said a few times...  
arcarsenal : 4/27/2015 9:17 pm : link
I think Johnson is one of the most underrated players in the league.
Is holtby kidding me with that shit?  
redbeard : 4/27/2015 9:37 pm : link
Jesus tap dancing christ
that's  
MookGiants : 4/27/2015 9:38 pm : link
a goal that a goalie usually doesn't recover from. Terrible. That was as easy of a save as Holtby will have all year and he just blew it
cap player  
MookGiants : 4/27/2015 9:42 pm : link
had half the net wide open and fired it right into Halak, wow. That puck has to be in the back of the net, crazy bounce
LOL.. Beagle with as bad a miss as you'll ever see.  
arcarsenal : 4/27/2015 9:46 pm : link
Not many teams know how to choke quite like the Capitals.
really crappy third periods tonight  
MetsAreBack : 4/27/2015 9:53 pm : link
I know I apparently over-rate Tampa but like Boston in 2012 (Leafs) or like the Sharks last year vs LA... you've got to put good teams like that away when you have the chance.

Damnit.

I hate the Caps so freakin much I guess I don't care that much about this game - its just the downside of NYI if we were to get upset is so much worse. I also think we'd miss Zucc a lot more in an Islanders series than Caps where a guy like Sheppard may actually have some value.
there you go  
MetsAreBack : 4/27/2015 9:54 pm : link
who is this Ketnotzov guy? on fire lately.
Hell of a play by that guy  
redbeard : 4/27/2015 9:55 pm : link
Islanders don't deserve to advance after their piss poor showing in a game 7
Kuznetsov just waltzed right into prime territory..  
arcarsenal : 4/27/2015 9:57 pm : link
And no one touched him. That's embarrassing
Nobody fucks up a good thing like the caps  
redbeard : 4/27/2015 10:03 pm : link
Unbelievably bad penalty
Feel for some of the Islander fans on here  
MookGiants : 4/27/2015 10:09 pm : link
but I really didn't want to play them. They're a tough matchup for us and losing to them would just be unbearable. And even if we got through it the emotional drain from the series may have hurt us for the next series.

Caps will be very tough but the lesser of 2 evils in my opinion
Yep..  
arcarsenal : 4/27/2015 10:10 pm : link
Preferred the Caps. Hate them and hated pulling for them in any capacity but I just didn't like the matchup against the Islanders.
So assuming Tampa takes care of business at home Wednesday  
MetsAreBack : 4/27/2015 10:17 pm : link

the top 4 seeds in the East (measured by points) advance.

In the West, 1-4-6 and 8 advance. Man must be nice to be a Ducks fan this year... as easy a road to the WCF as there has ever been.

Also means with the Wed night game 7 that the NHL has no reason to move us up a day. It'll be Thursday night against the Caps -- two full days off for the Caps, who while they went 7 physical with NYI.. like us in prior years... didn't have all that much overtime in the series, so I do expect them to come out with energy.
The frustration that is Brian Boyle, in gif format  
Deej : 4/28/2015 11:19 am : link
Deej  
Giants2012 : 4/28/2015 11:30 am : link
amazing highlight, thanks for sharing

Must watch TV tonight. Game Seven
RE: Deej  
BrettNYG10 : 4/28/2015 11:33 am : link
In comment 12253402 Giants2012 said:
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amazing highlight, thanks for sharing

Must watch TV tonight. Game Seven


Except it's tomorrow, unfortunately.
RE: Seriously where the fuck did Tyler Johnson come from?  
Greg from LI : 4/28/2015 11:36 am : link
In comment 12252439 MetsAreBack said:
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Wasnt he undrafted?


Same reason MSL was undrafted - no one believed he'd make it because he's so small.
RE: RE: Deej  
Giants2012 : 4/28/2015 11:37 am : link
In comment 12253409 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 12253402 Giants2012 said:


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amazing highlight, thanks for sharing

Must watch TV tonight. Game Seven



Except it's tomorrow, unfortunately.


Wait, Detroit's in the East lol
and reducing the West to seeds (1-4-6-8 advancing)  
Greg from LI : 4/28/2015 11:37 am : link
Overlooks the fact that the Blackhawks are not the average 4 seed.
I mean, does anyone truly believe Anaheim would beat Chicago  
Greg from LI : 4/28/2015 11:38 am : link
in a series? I don't. Not a chance in hell, actually.
fine, and the Wild are a good 6 seed too  
MetsAreBack : 4/28/2015 11:42 am : link
but it doesnt diminish the point that Anaheim has the easiest run to a WCF that I can recall in quite some time. Calgary is complete fool's gold. Hell, werent they sellers at the deadline?

Meanwhile in the East we are probably look at four 101+ point powerhouses exchanging blows over the next month.
Pittsburgh in 2008 had a much easier road  
Greg from LI : 4/28/2015 11:50 am : link
An Ottawa team on their last legs for that particular roster, and then two very flawed teams in the Rangers and Flyers. Pittsburgh went 12-2 in those three series. The Hawks are a much tougher team than any of those. I think you're overstating the importance of a weak Calgary team sneaking into the second round. Chicago is a much better team than Washington and all their bitch points, and Minnesota might be as well.
RE: I mean, does anyone truly believe Anaheim would beat Chicago  
Deej : 4/28/2015 11:54 am : link
In comment 12253429 Greg from LI said:
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in a series? I don't. Not a chance in hell, actually.


They have a decent shot. Chicago will be favored, but it's not like ANA will be 9:1 or anything like that.
RE: .  
arcarsenal : 4/28/2015 12:00 pm : link
In comment 12234461 arcarsenal said:
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I think OTT wins that series in 7.

Predictions?

StL/MIN : Blues in 7 (Nope. Should have known better.. LOLStL)
CHI/NSH : Blackhawks in 6 (Ding)
ANA/WPG : Ducks in 5 (Almost)
VAN/CGY : Flames in 6 (Ding)

MTL/OTT : Senators in 7 (Guh)
TB/DET : Lightning in 6 (Maybe off by a game)
WSH/NYI : Capitals in 7 (Ding)
NYR/PIT : Rangers in 5 (Ding)


Had the upset in the right bracket but wrong conference. Not too shabby, though.
Washington went to 21 overtimes this year  
MetsAreBack : 4/28/2015 12:04 pm : link
we went to 17. It wasnt that outlandish this year for them. They're going to be a tough out, especially if we convert at the rate we did against Pittsburgh (e.g., didnt make the most of our opportunities).

Could be a little golden era here for DC sports - both hockey & basketball are in the quarterfinals, and the Nats should - on paper - be the best team in the National League.

Redskins do suck -- but our guys really need to shut down this Verizon Center fun they're having.
I'm with deej and Brett  
MetsAreBack : 4/28/2015 12:07 pm : link
starting to think the Ducks are a little underrated.
I did not do well in the West  
Greg from LI : 4/28/2015 12:27 pm : link
Chicago was the only series I called correctly. In the East, I called the Rangers and Habs, missed the Caps/Isles, and we'll see what happens tonight. I picked the Bolts.
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 4/28/2015 4:14 pm : link
MIN/CHI is the series I'm most looking forward to (excluding NYR).
Kronwall suspended for game 7.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/28/2015 6:46 pm : link
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RE: .....  
hudson : 4/28/2015 10:16 pm : link
In comment 12254228 BrettNYG10 said:
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MIN/CHI is the series I'm most looking forward to (excluding NYR).

MIN-StL would have been better.
RE: RE: .....  
arcarsenal : 4/28/2015 10:57 pm : link
In comment 12254990 hudson said:
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In comment 12254228 BrettNYG10 said:


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MIN/CHI is the series I'm most looking forward to (excluding NYR).


MIN-StL would have been better.


Pretty sure we saw that already...
LOLHudson.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/29/2015 7:43 am : link
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a MTL/OTT series  
B in ALB : 4/29/2015 7:55 am : link
would have been really good too.
B, this is the NHL Playoffs thread.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/29/2015 8:08 am : link
Your Islanders were eliminated.

GTFO.
RE: B, this is the NHL Playoffs thread.  
B in ALB : 4/29/2015 8:17 am : link
In comment 12255212 BrettNYG10 said:
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Your Islanders were eliminated.

GTFO.


Please go root for someone else, Mush. I've been a Rangers fan since before you were a drunken mistake.

At the very least, your fat ass shouldn't be starting any game threads.
hudson's a better Ranger fan than you.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/29/2015 8:25 am : link
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RE: hudson's a better Ranger fan than you.  
B in ALB : 4/29/2015 8:32 am : link
In comment 12255229 BrettNYG10 said:
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Haha. That hurts.
Zidlicky out with a concussion now too.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/29/2015 12:42 pm : link
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RE: Zidlicky out with a concussion now too.  
schabadoo : 4/29/2015 12:46 pm : link
In comment 12255959 BrettNYG10 said:
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Kronwall out, Abdelkader's status is unknown.
RE: So the Isles now need to drop four in a row  
BrettNYG10 : 4/29/2015 1:34 pm : link
In comment 12235261 BlueHurricane said:
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For Brett's prediction to come true. Not gonna happen. We are taking this series in 5. 6 tops.


Good call.
RE: RE: So the Isles now need to drop four in a row  
Deej : 4/29/2015 2:20 pm : link
In comment 12256139 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 12235261 BlueHurricane said:


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For Brett's prediction to come true. Not gonna happen. We are taking this series in 5. 6 tops.



Good call.


It's funny 'cause his dreams are crushed.
Rooting for Detroit so  
Giants2012 : 4/29/2015 6:59 pm : link
the ex-Rangers are out of the way.
RE: Rooting for Detroit so  
NYerInMA : 4/29/2015 7:09 pm : link
In comment 12256730 Giants2012 said:
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the ex-Rangers are out of the way.


Same, rooting for Detroit but expecting TB to advance.
RE: RE: RE: .....  
hudson : 4/29/2015 7:46 pm : link
In comment 12255032 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 12254990 hudson said:


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In comment 12254228 BrettNYG10 said:


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MIN/CHI is the series I'm most looking forward to (excluding NYR).


MIN-StL would have been better.



Pretty sure we saw that already...

Fucking ipad...meant CHI-StL
Hart finalists announced  
pganut : 4/29/2015 7:59 pm : link
John Tavares, Alex Ovechkin and Carey Price. No surprises, but it's official. You know where my heart is, but this is Price's to lose.
I'd give it to AO  
Deej : 4/29/2015 8:30 pm : link
but Price appears to have the popular support and is certainly deserving.
Eh...  
pganut : 4/29/2015 8:37 pm : link
Ovechkin rightfully gets the Richard trophy. I think that Backstrom may have been more valuable to the Caps with his all around game...Ovi didn't start playing "defense" till the playoff series, and I think the Caps could have still won a ton of games without him. I'd like to see Price get the Vezina which he deserves; I'm old school and don't think goalies should get MVP, but he is deserving. If the Hart is for the player most valuable to his team, it's JT. Not many would argue the Isles wouldn't have been half the team without him. But most writers already have Price and that's fine.
What's with the reflections  
Giants2012 : 4/29/2015 8:43 pm : link
all over the ice?
pganut  
Deej : 4/29/2015 8:50 pm : link
Ovie played defense all season. I dont think that's a fair criticism at all.
Here is a WaPo  
Deej : 4/29/2015 8:52 pm : link
article from January
Link - ( New Window )
Deej  
pganut : 4/29/2015 9:07 pm : link
While 8 played more d this year than in previous years, that doesn't say exceptionally much. I live in the DC area and saw a good amount of Caps games. Props that he improved, and I don't question he's a lethal goal scorer. We'll agree to disagree on the spirit of the Hart, and of course I also have a little bias (wink emoji).
Oh I dont think he was a great defensive player  
Deej : 4/29/2015 9:12 pm : link
but he tried. He did play defense.
We have a goal  
Giants2012 : 4/29/2015 9:40 pm : link
1-0 Tampa
I had a feeling Detroit blew this series....  
arcarsenal : 4/29/2015 9:43 pm : link
...when they choked away that 2 goal lead late in Game 4.

Ugh.
Biggie Strals  
bigbluehoya : 4/29/2015 10:01 pm : link
Looking really good for TB
It's really, really annoying that Stralman isn't a Ranger anymore.  
arcarsenal : 4/29/2015 10:03 pm : link
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...  
Route 9 in LEH : 4/29/2015 10:05 pm : link
Damn Red Wings just got bitched out these last minutes. Straalman.
RE: I had a feeling Detroit blew this series....  
MetsAreBack : 4/29/2015 10:09 pm : link
In comment 12257035 arcarsenal said:
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...when they choked away that 2 goal lead late in Game 4.

Ugh.



They got it back in game 5. They didn't blow anything - Tampa just exerted its will when it counted. Honestly, Babcock had his team play as well as it could in this series - Mrzek was outstanding, his guys played their hearts out -- just a serious talent differential.

I do think a lot of really good teams stare into the abyss at some point in their playoffs - recent history is littered with championship or Cup finalist teams that were on the brink. Hell, we were last year in Pittsburgh. Hope this wasn't Tampa's "test"

As much as I hate the Habs, I'll be rooting for them next round.
You don't  
MookGiants : 4/29/2015 10:11 pm : link
ever "get back" a game that you blew in the playoffs. They may have lost anyways but game 5 didn't erase that, they never in a million years should have blown that lead
RE: It's really, really annoying that Stralman isn't a Ranger anymore.  
Greg from LI : 4/29/2015 10:19 pm : link
In comment 12257079 arcarsenal said:
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This is all I could think about during the third period. Stralman looked fantastic
RE: RE: I had a feeling Detroit blew this series....  
arcarsenal : 4/29/2015 10:36 pm : link
In comment 12257086 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 12257035 arcarsenal said:


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...when they choked away that 2 goal lead late in Game 4.

Ugh.




They got it back in game 5. They didn't blow anything - Tampa just exerted its will when it counted. Honestly, Babcock had his team play as well as it could in this series - Mrzek was outstanding, his guys played their hearts out -- just a serious talent differential.

I do think a lot of really good teams stare into the abyss at some point in their playoffs - recent history is littered with championship or Cup finalist teams that were on the brink. Hell, we were last year in Pittsburgh. Hope this wasn't Tampa's "test"

As much as I hate the Habs, I'll be rooting for them next round.


Don't understand this logic at all. You don't get the game "back".. that game could have won the series if not for the Game 4 mishap.

Leading by 2 goals with that little time left and allowing 2 quick ones and then losing in OT is devastating when it's a swing between potentially taking a commanding 3-1 lead in a series or having it knotted up.

If Detroit doesn't blow Game 4, odds are pretty heavily in their favor that they win the series. It was a huge missed opportunity.

Tampa is good.. they're not quite as good as just not trying until it was necessary to "impose their will" and win the series.
Tampa travels on their one day of rest  
Giants2012 : 4/29/2015 11:57 pm : link
and play Friday night
MAB loves his made-up narrative of teams turning it on.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/30/2015 8:33 am : link
Worked out well for the Kings this year.

Signing Boyle instead of Stralman could cost the team a Cup. It'll be a gut punch if TB beats NYR in 6 or 7 (if both get that far).

Price is the first goalie to lead the league in wins, save percentage, and GAA since Eddie Belfour in 1990-1991. And with no 90 point scorer, he's the obvious choice. In Tokarski's decisions, the Canadiens averaged a point per game. Given how close the East was, it's reasonable to assume they wouldn't have made it with an average goalie.
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BrettNYG10 : 4/30/2015 9:33 am : link
Of the first round match-ups, the team with the better regular season Corsi lost 7 of the 8 rounds played (with Chicago the lone exception).
RE: You don't  
MetsAreBack : 4/30/2015 9:56 am : link
In comment 12257087 MookGiants said:
Quote:
ever "get back" a game that you blew in the playoffs. They may have lost anyways but game 5 didn't erase that, they never in a million years should have blown that lead



Very simple concept.

If they'd held on in game 4, they'd be up 3-1 in the series and Tampa would have played with a lot more desperation in game 5. The series would very likely be 3-2 heading back to Detroit anyway. They blew game 4... Tampa blew game 1, it happens.

And they blew a 2-0 lead against an explosive offense with an entire period to go, people. People act like they blew a 4 goal lead.
I never said Tampa wasnt trying....  
MetsAreBack : 4/30/2015 10:06 am : link

I said they were playing poorly and i just wish Detroit could have put them away given the chance. Big difference.

And yes, Brett, recent history is littered with teams winning a Cup or getting to SCF that were on the brink at one point.

-Kings last year in round 1
-Boston in 2013 against Toronto down 2 goals with 90 seconds left
-NJ had to go double overtime of game 7 in the first round in 2012
-Boston 2011 won 3 game 7s, two of them in OT
-Flyers 2010 down 0-3 to Boston comes back and wins the series, goes to Finals
-us last year vs Pitt

Quinneville was quoted in the Nashville series (game 1 i think) that all SCF teams at some point get severely tested... that quote is actually where I got the 'narrative' from and it makes perfect sense.

A lot of parity and momentum in this league - Detroit had the chance thanks to a hot goaltender to put away a much better, but inexperienced team than them in the first round and they failed. I think Tampa gains confidence from that and beats Montreal now. We'll see - I put my money where my mouth is on that so i do win some $$$ if it happens.

And fuck PJ.
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BrettNYG10 : 4/30/2015 10:13 am : link
I definitely believe there's a benefit to early-round challenges (and have heard that elsewhere despite not hearing Q's quote). I just don't believe teams turn it on/off. TB was outplayed last night and struck me as a team that was 'nervous' (I hate applying emotions when I don't know the players individually - and hate applying narratives perpetuated by broadcasters, but I don't have a good word for it).

I walked away from round 1 less impressed with TB and more impressed with MTL than anticipated.

And lol Stamkos.
Yeah i just think they are a young team  
MetsAreBack : 4/30/2015 10:58 am : link
experiencing their first game 7... they'll learn from that.

Not sure they were "outplayed" last night... Tampa players admit they were really nervous which played a part, but bottom line while Detroit had a lot more shots... how many were grade A chances? Bishop didnt exactly have to stand on head to get the shutout.

Basically my worst fear is after seeing Gaborik scream like a little girl last year, we have an ECF against Cally,Boyle & Stralman LOL

War-On-Ice says DET had 20 chances, TB 10.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/30/2015 11:03 am : link
There were a couple opportunities where they had a wide open net and weren't able to complete the tip-in, etc.

Zetterberg seemed to want to only shoot at Bishop's chest last night.
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arcarsenal : 4/30/2015 11:08 am : link
Yeah, it's enough that Bishop is about 8 feet tall and has two mattresses strapped to his legs as it is.. the Wings shot almost everything right into the shitty Grateful Dead logo on his chest last night to make it even easier on him.
Bishop  
pjcas18 : 4/30/2015 11:09 am : link
Was my only real question with TB. He answered some of that by his game 7 shutout. Two teams I felt gave Montreal the toughest matchup were TB and WAS.
I thought Bishop sucked for large parts of the series.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/30/2015 11:55 am : link
He's still a question mark for me - as is the depth of the TB defense.

....  
BrettNYG10 : 4/30/2015 11:56 am : link
Then again, the Habs have Markov doing a nice Richards impression back on D.
Anaheim....wow!  
timintey : 5/1/2015 7:51 am : link
Could have another quick series...

And the Backstrom hit on Boyle while should have been called, was no worse than the Ovie boarding/cross check on Hickey in game 7 last round. Add in the Wilson hit on Viznovsky... Caps get away with a ton of shit...
RE: ....  
pjcas18 : 5/1/2015 8:17 am : link
In comment 12258001 BrettNYG10 said:
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Then again, the Habs have Markov doing a nice Richards impression back on D.

Even subban has been bad. He's a liability defensively and Markov had been compensating for him but Markov age is starting to show.
Montreal ties it at 1  
YAJ2112 : 5/1/2015 9:37 pm : link
late in the 3rd. Eerily familiar.
such a softie  
pjcas18 : 5/1/2015 9:42 pm : link
for as well as Bishop has played. He's been phenomenal.

hopefully they got in his head now.
OT in the playoffs  
pjcas18 : 5/1/2015 9:46 pm : link
nothing better
this game has multi-OTs  
YAJ2112 : 5/1/2015 10:31 pm : link
written all over it
yep  
pjcas18 : 5/1/2015 10:42 pm : link
and montreal caught a break, Price was pushed into the net, but if he wasn't I think there was a chance that puck could have gone in anyway.

I don't think off the replays they showed it was the wrong call, but if he didn't push Price into the net he might have had a goal - and price might have gone into the net on his own.
The Hawks all over Dubnyk early  
arcarsenal : 5/1/2015 10:46 pm : link
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can't turn it over  
pjcas18 : 5/1/2015 11:01 pm : link
in your own zone. can't blame Price for that.
Minny ties Chicago in 2nd at 3  
YAJ2112 : 5/1/2015 11:07 pm : link
after being down 3-0
glad to see Montreal lose  
B in ALB : 5/1/2015 11:10 pm : link
Because it sort of makes me feel better about the Rangers loss last night. But. Not really. Fuck!
Fucking Detroit..  
arcarsenal : 5/1/2015 11:11 pm : link
Really wish they would have gotten rid of the Lightning.
Pominville  
MookGiants : 5/2/2015 12:10 am : link
shanked one when he had an open net
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BrettNYG10 : 5/2/2015 12:33 pm : link
TB's game winner shouldn't have counted. More officiating incompetence. Unbelievable.
RE: .....  
pjcas18 : 5/2/2015 12:35 pm : link
In comment 12265803 BrettNYG10 said:
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TB's game winner shouldn't have counted. More officiating incompetence. Unbelievable.


refs miss offsides, I don't get bent out of shape about that. I wish it wouldn't have happened, but the habs had their chances.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/2/2015 12:37 pm : link
It annoys the shit out of me as a fan to see the refs impact games. I can't believe how incompetent they are. Coaches deserve a challenge if they're not going to clean this shit up.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/2/2015 12:42 pm : link
And bad calls can be tied to four of the Rangers last six playoff losses.

Game 1 of the SCF the refs missed a delay of game when a King defender shot it over the boards about a minute before Brown scored the game winner.

Game 2 was the interference game.

Game 5 they called Zucc for a tripping when Muzzin tripped him that led to a game tying goal.

Then game 1 here with the Boyle hit.

I'm of the same thought process of you - it's incumbent on the teams to win the games. The refs aren't responsible for those losses - the Rangers didn't lose the Cup because of the refs.

It's just amazing how incompetent they are. I only cite the Rangers because they're the team I follow closest - I'm sure I can come up with examples if I followed other teams with the same intensity.
RE: .....  
pjcas18 : 5/2/2015 12:58 pm : link
In comment 12265816 BrettNYG10 said:
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It annoys the shit out of me as a fan to see the refs impact games. I can't believe how incompetent they are. Coaches deserve a challenge if they're not going to clean this shit up.


I was actually surprised they didn't review it, don't they normally review plays like that?
I didn't think offsides was reviewable?  
BrettNYG10 : 5/2/2015 1:03 pm : link
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I don't know  
pjcas18 : 5/2/2015 1:07 pm : link
I thought goals in general were reviewable so if the play was offsides couldn't they say it was offsides and no goal?

in either case, it should be, though I hate over-reviewing stuff, but general sentiment is that refs are human. I expect these calls to even out over time. Just sucks this one happened in OT in the playoffs.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/2/2015 5:33 pm : link
I think every goal should be reviewable. You add about five minutes to a game at worst.

They should even out over time - the Rangers certainly got a few favorable calls/non-calls in round one. The issue is that they're consistently getting somewhat obvious things wrong in crucial situations, costing teams games and potentially a series. The sport is at its best right now, and for the refs to be a focal point of post game discussion in two of the four game ones played is really disappointing.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/3/2015 6:43 pm : link
Prust got four minutes. Got an unsportsmanlike penalty for bitching at the refs.

Ridiculous penalty to give in the playoffs, imo.
Offside should be reviewable  
NYerInMA : 5/3/2015 7:32 pm : link
That is an easy yes/no review and it's stupid that it's not reviewable. Also, TB is starting to wake up and that's not good for the Habs or any of the other remaining teams.
I don't think offsides  
pjcas18 : 5/3/2015 7:34 pm : link
in and of itself should be reviewable.

But I think all scoring plays should be reviewable and if it's determined the play was offsides the goal should be disallowed.

Montreal is so undisciplined.
The Lightning are good.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/3/2015 7:49 pm : link
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I don't think this series goes more than 5.  
arcarsenal : 5/3/2015 7:51 pm : link
The Habs are just outmatched.

Fuck the Wings...
I don't think they're outmatched  
pjcas18 : 5/3/2015 8:00 pm : link
they should have won game one and the first half of this game they outplayed TB.

They just can't play like they did the second half of the 2nd period. total collapse

The Lightning are Kings-like in the sense  
BrettNYG10 : 5/3/2015 8:35 pm : link
That no lead feels safe. They have 4-5 guys who you feel like can score at anytime.

I think they're winning the Cup.
A more physical team can beat TB  
pjcas18 : 5/3/2015 8:42 pm : link
like the Capitals or Rangers - especially with good D.

MTL is not very physical and their D are their Achilles heal.
TBL has everything you look for in a SC Champion  
MetsAreBack : 5/3/2015 8:44 pm : link
pains me to say because I really hate Yzerman. Detroit needed to put them away when they had the chance... much like San Jose last year vs LA
I think TB will get to the SCF..  
arcarsenal : 5/3/2015 8:44 pm : link
But I don't think they'll win it. I think CHI will win it again. Anaheim would have a good shot at beating TB too, IMO.. I just don't think they'll get there.
TB and NYR are the class of the East  
NYerInMA : 5/3/2015 8:47 pm : link
I'd like to think that the Rangers can beat them if they meet in the ECF, since all three losses to TB occurred early in the season before the Rangers turned it on, but I'd be lying if I said that I would be happy about facing them.
Anaheim  
pjcas18 : 5/3/2015 8:50 pm : link
can beat Chicago if Crawford doesn't play better.

I blame  
MookGiants : 5/3/2015 8:52 pm : link
the assholes on here acting like game 4 was in the bag for the Red Wings
The Hawks need to get better goaltending..  
arcarsenal : 5/3/2015 8:55 pm : link
But Andersen will get tested way more by them than he will the Jets or Flames. I'm assuming that is going to be the WCF and it should be a really good one.

I think either is capable of beating TB, though.
Look, we have a chance to beat TBL...  
MetsAreBack : 5/3/2015 9:26 pm : link
assuming we get to the ECF. A hell of a lot more difficult without Zuccs, but we have the talent and the goalie to win that series. It will just be really tough. Would love for our guys to rise to the challenge.
RE: I blame  
BrettNYG10 : 5/4/2015 7:35 am : link
In comment 12268955 MookGiants said:
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the assholes on here acting like game 4 was in the bag for the Red Wings


Coming from the douchebag who needs to have chicken parm to support his boy Callahan?

MAB, I don't view them as some unstoppable juggernaut destined to roll over every team in its path. They went to seven games (and got badly outplayed in the 7th game) against a pedestrian Detroit team, and have been badly outplayed against Montreal at times.

Anaheim and Chicago look really impressive - and I've been reserved on Chicago all year (depth is a bit softer than it has been historically, and their goaltending is a question mark). Suter is having a terrible series for MIN.
I think Calgary is going to get swept.  
arcarsenal : 5/4/2015 8:29 am : link
Young team, no Giordano.. winning a series was a good step forward for them this year but the ride ends here (and abruptly at that)
RE: I blame  
schabadoo : 5/4/2015 8:44 am : link
In comment 12268955 MookGiants said:
Quote:
the assholes on here acting like game 4 was in the bag for the Red Wings


Now that's a power I wish I had...
Would be something  
NYerInMA : 5/4/2015 9:49 am : link
if the Rangers-Caps series was the only non-sweep this round. ANA, TB, and CHI are cruising in their series.
Prust  
Deej : 5/4/2015 10:48 am : link
I know Andy and pjcas say he's always been like this, but I dont remember him being such a gorilla in NY. Look at this video of him constantly running Bishop behind the net. What a joke.
Link - ( New Window )
I don't deny that my opinion of Prust was colored by the team he  
Greg from LI : 5/4/2015 10:54 am : link
played for at the time, but I agree with Deej - I think he's gone beyond the things he did as a Ranger.
RE: Would be something  
MetsAreBack : 5/4/2015 3:59 pm : link
In comment 12269679 NYerInMA said:
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if the Rangers-Caps series was the only non-sweep this round. ANA, TB, and CHI are cruising in their series.


I think Anaheim sweeps.

Tampa might sweep, but Price doesnt strike me as the quitter and should be able to win them 2 games. Tampa in 6.

Minnesota isnt completely done yet - they are so good in their own building. Clock definitely appears to be striking midnight on Dubnyk though. Hawks in 5.

NYR-WAS at this point is probably the only series still in doubt. So far certainly has the feel of another 6-7 game war between these two franchises.
can't wait to see Chicago kick Anaheim's ass  
Greg from LI : 5/4/2015 4:26 pm : link
Playing the Blackhawks is going to be a bucket of cold water on them after breezing past arguably the two weakest teams in the playoffs. I can't explain exactly why, but I really dislike Anaheim and want to see them fail. Part of it is distaste for Kesler and Perry, part of it is residual dislike of Boudreau from when he coached Washington, I guess.
RE: I don't deny that my opinion of Prust was colored by the team he  
pjcas18 : 5/4/2015 4:30 pm : link
In comment 12269837 Greg from LI said:
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played for at the time, but I agree with Deej - I think he's gone beyond the things he did as a Ranger.


I think you're just misremembering. He was always a dirtbag. he was suspended (from a playoff game?) with the Rangers for a elbow to the head of someone.

he is always involved in extra curricular crap. and he's not a very good fighter. He's kind of one of those tweeners, not really good enough for a regular shift, and not good enough a fighter to be an enforcer.

He wouldn't see the ice if I were running the show.

I hope Therrien gets fired this off-season. Montreal doesn't stack up talent wise with any of the teams in the playoffs, but the way he uses the lines is criminal and Subban is playing Chara/Karlsson like minutes and he doesn't have the defensive game those guys do to warrant the minutes.

People in MTL say Galcheynuk is struggling, he has him paired with Dale Wiese and David Desharnais, he has to slow down to play with them, it's absurd.

anyway, good luck tonight Rangers fans, I still hate the Caps from my DC days - living in a place and not liking the teams in the area will make you hate them in a way you didn't know possible.
to make matters worse  
MetsAreBack : 5/4/2015 11:06 pm : link
the Wizards look on their way to an ECF date with the Bulls too. Those douche-bags are having way too much fun at the Verizon Center these days (Nats will be in the playoffs too)

Thank God for the Redskins to keep those fuck grounded.
I would give my left nut  
MookGiants : 5/5/2015 8:37 pm : link
to have Patrick Kane on the Rangers. What a player
I'd give both your nuts for Kane.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/5/2015 9:10 pm : link
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I'd give your double vagina  
MookGiants : 5/5/2015 9:11 pm : link
for Kane
...  
Route 9 in LEH : 5/5/2015 11:56 pm : link
That looks like a goal (in Calgary)
...  
Route 9 in LEH : 5/5/2015 11:58 pm : link
Wooahhh...

very hard to overturn I guess
...  
Route 9 in LEH : 12:14 am : link
Damn. Flames force overtime! Clutch goal...the perfect season for Anaheim is currently taking a nap time...?
...  
Route 9 in LEH : 12:40 am : link
WOW!!! Calgary wins! LOL that was a delayed penalty for a long ass time.
that game  
MookGiants : 12:40 am : link
was awesome.

Some great saves by Calgary to stay in it and Backlund wins it
this figures  
pjcas18 : 5/7/2015 8:29 pm : link
montreal has outplayed TB 3 of 4 games and will likely be down 3 - 1. this offense could have been useful in games 1 or 3.

wouldn't have helped really in game 2.
No love for the Habs but I hope they can keep this series alive a bit.  
arcarsenal : 5/7/2015 8:35 pm : link
Kucherov has been a monster though.
Similar houghts  
pjcas18 : 5/7/2015 8:41 pm : link
I hope the Rangers can keep that series alive
Prust the goal scorer that got away  
schabadoo : 5/7/2015 9:19 pm : link
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Not looking good for the Wild  
NYerInMA : 5/7/2015 10:52 pm : link
Chicago is snuffing the life out of them.
...  
Route 9 in LEH : 5/9/2015 7:08 pm : link
Tampa Bay ends it tonight?
Hopefully Montreal can extend the series  
NYerInMA : 5/9/2015 8:01 pm : link
if not complete the comeback. If the Rangers somehow advance, I would much prefer to face the Habs than TB.
Stralman  
MookGiants : 5/9/2015 9:24 pm : link
just made an excellent move that lead to the tying goal
Sick play by Strals  
bigbluehoya : 5/9/2015 9:25 pm : link
at the blue line leads to the equalizer.

Ho hum
Habs get the  
bigbluehoya : 5/9/2015 9:40 pm : link
Go ahead goal with 4 min remaining.

Bishop was a statue on that one. Didn't look to me like he was screened though.
Calgary up 2-1 after 2  
YAJ2112 : 5/10/2015 11:52 pm : link
but already holding on for dear life.
and Anaheim  
YAJ2112 : 5/11/2015 12:13 am : link
ties it a minute in
OT coming up  
YAJ2112 : 5/11/2015 12:51 am : link
for Ducks-Flames
Flames hanging on by their fingernails  
Greg from LI : 5/11/2015 1:07 am : link
Can't believe Kesler hit the post instead of scoring, and now an incredible save by Ramo
That  
MookGiants : 5/11/2015 1:09 am : link
goal should have been disallowed
and that's it  
Greg from LI : 5/11/2015 1:10 am : link
Jesus I can't stand Boudreau. I want to punch his fat face through the TV screen. Chicago is going to make mincemeat of that team.
Clearly goalie interference on the GWG by ANA  
NYerInMA : 5/11/2015 11:36 am : link
Shouldn't have counted. That said, ANA was definitely the better team in this series from what I saw.
RE: and that's it  
BrettNYG10 : 5/11/2015 11:38 am : link
In comment 12280722 Greg from LI said:
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Jesus I can't stand Boudreau. I want to punch his fat face through the TV screen. Chicago is going to make mincemeat of that team.


great game last night  
GeneInCal : 5/11/2015 11:48 am : link
kids got to meet and wish Getzlaf a happy birthday. Ducks in 6
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Greg from LI : 5/11/2015 11:51 am : link
Haha, that's classic.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/11/2015 11:52 am : link
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Callahan  
pjcas18 : 5/12/2015 11:00 am : link
emergency appendectomy - out for tonight (next series too)?
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arcarsenal : 5/12/2015 11:12 am : link
Come on, Habs... force a Game 7.
Cally  
Deej : 5/12/2015 11:14 am : link
we all knew this would happen eventually, given his style of play.
You knew he was going to need an emergency apendectomy?  
Andy in Halifax : 5/12/2015 11:16 am : link
That seems like a stretch.
RE: You knew he was going to need an emergency apendectomy?  
Deej : 5/12/2015 12:09 pm : link
In comment 12282874 Andy in Halifax said:
Quote:
That seems like a stretch.


Yeah, I wasnt being serious.
Damnit!  
Andy in Halifax : 5/12/2015 12:13 pm : link
You bunch'd me.

Gloves are off puck.
Price  
MookGiants : 5/12/2015 8:16 pm : link
probably wants that one back, although a nice deflection and would have been a great save
That was a great shot.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/12/2015 8:54 pm : link
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Stamkos  
MookGiants : 5/12/2015 8:54 pm : link
with a ridiculous shot to make it 2-0.

Montreal looks awful in this game
Crosby, Ovechkin  
Giants2012 : 5/12/2015 9:02 pm : link
and maybe Stamkos/ex-Rangers. Yikes
This is ugly  
pjcas18 : 5/12/2015 9:16 pm : link
montreal out of gas, better hope to get to the locker room down only 2.
Parenteau  
MookGiants : 5/12/2015 9:18 pm : link
hits the outside of the post when he had a lot of open net, brutal for canadiens
ridiculous  
pjcas18 : 5/12/2015 9:19 pm : link
penalty
Goodnight Habs  
NYerInMA : 5/12/2015 9:19 pm : link
3-0 TB after the PP goal.
that's  
MookGiants : 5/12/2015 9:19 pm : link
likely the game.
up until tonight  
MookGiants : 5/12/2015 9:20 pm : link
Montreal I think played better most of the 5 games, they were unfortunate to be down 3-2.

But they are getting their ass kicked completely tonight
One thing MTL couldn't do was take penalties.  
arcarsenal : 5/12/2015 9:21 pm : link
That just buried em.
I thought Carey Price  
RyanMcdonagh27 : 5/12/2015 10:40 pm : link
was untouchable??
if you watched this series  
MookGiants : 5/12/2015 10:53 pm : link
and put even 1% of it on Price you're brain dead.
Hoping the Rangers get there and  
Giants2012 : 5/12/2015 10:54 pm : link
Will MSL have something to offer his ex-team? I'm sure ex-Rangers have something to offer us.
Just win tomorrow  
SethFromAstoria : 5/12/2015 11:22 pm : link
happy to see that team of whiners gone. Especially that coach. Pathetic leader of divers and complainers.

Just win tomorrow.
Seth  
Giants2012 : 5/12/2015 11:23 pm : link
Yeah, i'm not a fan of that coach.
Seth bringing the idiocy  
pjcas18 : 5/12/2015 11:34 pm : link
as usual. team of whiners and divers. Ok. Did you hear someone else say that and merely want to parrot what they said?

I've watched almost every Canadiens game and they whine no more than any other team. Fact. Probably less to be honest.

But keep on hating - because you are the one who sounds like the whiner and complainer.

And don't get me started on whiny fan bases. Read a Rangers thread on here and call another fan base whiny. Please do that. It would be the height of hypocrisy.
The hypocriy of diving and the Canadiens - ( New Window )
But I do agree Therrien  
pjcas18 : 5/12/2015 11:39 pm : link
is a jackass and I think there might be a chance he's fired.

his use of Prust was ridiculous, and he way overused Wiese.

RE: if you watched this series  
RyanMcdonagh27 : 5/12/2015 11:53 pm : link
In comment 12284207 MookGiants said:
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and put even 1% of it on Price you're brain dead.


If you question Price's ability to do anything, you must be brain dead
Price has the ability to steal  
pjcas18 : 5/12/2015 11:57 pm : link
a series.

he didn't do it this year. he did last year against Boston and he was the main reason the Canadiens were even in the playoffs and the #2 seed.

tonight wasn't his fault per se, but many times he'll make 2 of those 3 saves and "steal the game". he blames himself, I don't.

I blame the Caandiens lack of depth, lack of skill players, lack of legit #1 d-pair and poor coaching.

Pacioretty, Galcheynuk, Price, and Subban are the core they have to work with. Plekanec, Desharnais, Belieau, can be role players, not not log first two line minutes. Not sure about some of the younger guys yet (de la rose for example), but they got some good experience the past two years

Bergevin, who I like, has some work to do.
I'd be happy to  
SethFromAstoria : 5/12/2015 11:58 pm : link
discuss hockey and/or baseball and debate whether I;m an idiot or not but I watched the full series last year between the Rangers and that team and I know what I saw and heard. Then this year...every coach in the league besides that guy would have said "we had other chances to win the game, I;m not going to go nuts about a missed offsides call". He went on tv and cried like a baby like he did last year after every game. The Rangers have had a ridiculous amount of inane calls and mistakes against them these playoffs and even if the fans go nuts, AV goes on tv and is classy and calm. Just this last game there was a call that was beyond atrocious and could have affected the result of the game in the last 2 minutes but he didn't go on tv and cry about it.

I'm sorry your team lost and I know why you're upset. I don't blame you. I just dislike that team aside from your goalie and Pacioretty. They are classy great players. Many of the rest take their cue from the coach and dive and complain. SOrry but it's the facts.
Montreal  
pjcas18 : 5/13/2015 12:04 am : link
had two players take embellishment penalties this year, the Rangers had one.

one is a team of divers, the other is not.

that's what you're saying?

Many teams had more than two players called for embellishment.

the only comments I heard Therrien say (whom I've admitted I don't like), was something like "it's frustrating to lose a game on an offsides. That's not supposed to happen"

that's what I heard. and offsides is not a judgment call, it shouldn't happen, but it did and they moved on.

If Vigneault lost a playoff game in OT on a play that was offsides I doubt he'd be so classy and reserved, he'd probably have some choice words and as much as I don't like Therrien I think he was fine with his post-game comments from that loss.
RE: Montreal  
SethFromAstoria : 5/13/2015 12:13 am : link
In comment 12284272 pjcas18 said:
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had two players take embellishment penalties this year, the Rangers had one.

one is a team of divers, the other is not.

that's what you're saying?

Many teams had more than two players called for embellishment.

the only comments I heard Therrien say (whom I've admitted I don't like), was something like "it's frustrating to lose a game on an offsides. That's not supposed to happen"

that's what I heard. and offsides is not a judgment call, it shouldn't happen, but it did and they moved on.

If Vigneault lost a playoff game in OT on a play that was offsides I doubt he'd be so classy and reserved, he'd probably have some choice words and as much as I don't like Therrien I think he was fine with his post-game comments from that loss.


look I'm a fan of a team that played your team last year and the series was full of that shit. I don't catch more than a handful of Canadiens games in a year but I know what us Rangers fans watched last year and at times it was a joke. I don't have a scientific explanation or raw numbers on dives for you. I just know what made me lose respect last year and especially goes for the coach. I doubt Canadiens fans are fond of the Rangers either. SO what are we arguing here?

Again, sorry for the loss.
No apology necessary  
pjcas18 : 5/13/2015 12:17 am : link
I have no hate for the Rangers, with the Canadiens eliminated I don't care so much who wins.

I'm rooting mostly for close games, OT, and American players to shine.

I disagree on last year, I think the Kreider play set the tone for the series and from that point on the Canadiens had to scrap for every advantage playing with a minor league goalie - and he didn't play well - but it changed their whole approach knowing they didn't have price between the pipes.

anyway, last year is last year and this year is still going for some teams, good luck tomorrow it would be good to see NYR/TB. I'd watch WAS/TB (which is what I predicted when the playoffs started), but the Rangers being in it would make it more of an event.

Chicago looks tough right now though
Sorry I meant this  
pjcas18 : 5/13/2015 12:18 am : link
and he didn't play well

to say and he did play well
Was PK hurt?  
Andy in Halifax : 5/13/2015 8:30 am : link
After a strong three games against Ottawa he really disappeared. Only times I really noticed him was in a bad way defensively.

Maybe playing next to a pylon took its toll?
nothign official that I've seen,  
pjcas18 : 5/13/2015 8:36 am : link
but PK in his own right is a defensive liability.

MTL if they add anything this off-season my hope would be a top defenseman.

and not something stupid like trading Galcheynuk for Yandle.


he (Subban) played really well game 5 (offensively), but if nothing else stood out to fans last night it should have been the Lightning breakout vs. MTL. there are a lot of moving parts here, but it starts with the D.


You probably expect to keep Petry?  
Andy in Halifax : 5/13/2015 8:40 am : link
I thought he fit in well and looked like a solid second pairing guy.

I am of the belief that to win in the playoffs you need 2 pairs of D that you can throw out against anybody and not get crushed. Petry seemed to give you a boost but perhaps Beaulieu is projected to take his spot?
RE: You probably expect to keep Petry?  
pjcas18 : 5/13/2015 8:51 am : link
In comment 12284396 Andy in Halifax said:
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I thought he fit in well and looked like a solid second pairing guy.

I am of the belief that to win in the playoffs you need 2 pairs of D that you can throw out against anybody and not get crushed. Petry seemed to give you a boost but perhaps Beaulieu is projected to take his spot?


I thought Petry was a good acquisition, tough, good shot, mostly a stay at home defenseman, but definitely someone I wouldn't be afraid to have as a top 4 D. Kind of like Boychuk if I had to compare him to someone.

I really like Bealuieu, at 22, he's got some good experience, good size, and good skill and I think he can develop into ta top 4 D.

I'd even test Pateryn some more. He was hurt, but showed some good things.

And I'd strongly consider firing Therrien. Montreal had less talent (on paper) than most of the other playoff teams, but it was criminal what he did with Galcheynuk and de la rose - the two guy besides Pacioretty who showed the most skill and energy. Guys like Gallagher and Desharnais are max effort guys, but a lot of that is wasted effort, Galcheynuk looks like he could be a star in the making and de la rose was an afterthought initially this year, but he excelled (for 19 year old) IMO.

and those two (Galcheynuk and de La Rose get the most criticism in the papers).
well, the last time someone fired Therrien, they won a Cup  
Greg from LI : 5/13/2015 9:10 am : link
So clearly it's the right move
Bump  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 5/17/2015 3:46 pm : link
Ducks up 1-0 early against the Blackhawks
is this game  
MookGiants : 5/17/2015 3:47 pm : link
in Chicago or Anaheim? Sounds like Chicago
Mook if the rangers win and advance  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 5/17/2015 3:53 pm : link
Who would you rather see in the finals?
tough one  
MookGiants : 5/17/2015 4:01 pm : link
maybe Chicago But they have the experience in the cup finals with 2 already under their belt. So it's pretty much a toss up. Anaheim is deeper and much more physical. Chicago's depth on the blue line is pretty weak right now. And I don't think Crawford is very good
with all of the dirty  
MookGiants : 5/17/2015 4:29 pm : link
shots the Ducks have taken at the hawks it's amazing that the refs have called only one penalty on them. Tripping the goalie, slashing kane, boarding multiple times. Cross checks.
Wow  
Deej : 5/17/2015 5:00 pm : link
Terrible by Beauchemin. Huge goal by Richards to make it a 1 goal game late in the 2nd.
RE: is this game  
hudson : 5/17/2015 5:08 pm : link
In comment 12290070 MookGiants said:
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in Chicago or Anaheim? Sounds like Chicago

I was thinking the same thing, man that was a big cheer.
Chicago is probably a better team overall...  
arcarsenal : 5/17/2015 5:09 pm : link
But the Ducks' are the type of team that gives the Rangers more issues.

The Rangers have to beat TB 3 more times for it to matter but if they do, I'd probably rather see Chicago on the other end. A series against the Ducks would probably look a lot like the one we just saw against the Caps. Rangers/Hawks would likely resemble more the type of play we saw yesterday against TB.
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 5/17/2015 8:03 pm : link
The Ducks were guaranteed the Cup the first time MAB started talking shit about them.

Our only hope is that the NHL's partnership with McDonald's falls apart and Boudreau is forbidden from eating his McRib and fries from the Cup.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 5/17/2015 8:04 pm : link
Also, fuck Brad Richards.
I laughed when he scored that goal.  
arcarsenal : 5/17/2015 8:58 pm : link
There's no fucking way he ever would have done that here. I guess he didn't get the memo that we're past the Conference Semifinals now and that he's supposed to start sucking.
i seem  
MookGiants : 5/17/2015 9:04 pm : link
to remember him scoring a goal in game 1 of the ECF last year
The Rangers  
pjcas18 : 5/17/2015 9:08 pm : link
are so much better than either of those teams it's obvious.

not being a jinx, but this is the Rangers cup to lose.
RE: ....  
Giants2012 : 5/17/2015 9:44 pm : link
In comment 12290221 BrettNYG10 said:
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Also, fuck Brad Richards.


+ 1

He sucked here
RE: i seem  
arcarsenal : 5/17/2015 9:58 pm : link
In comment 12290272 MookGiants said:
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to remember him scoring a goal in game 1 of the ECF last year


Yeah, so did Rick Nash.

That was the last goal Richards scored last postseason and we played 10 games after that where he totaled 2 assists during that entire span.

Anyway.. cut it out, pj! Fuckin' A.

I honestly think the Ducks would be a pain in the ass for the Rangers if they both advanced. Teams who can play physical just make it really tough.

Whatever.. gotta beat Tampa 3 more times before we even cross that bridge.
RE: The Rangers  
BrettNYG10 : 5/18/2015 8:57 am : link
In comment 12290277 pjcas18 said:
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are so much better than either of those teams it's obvious.

not being a jinx, but this is the Rangers cup to lose.


I think both Western teams are awfully close to the Rangers.
I respect your opinion  
pjcas18 : 5/18/2015 9:02 am : link
but you're wrong.

start in net. Not close. Objectively, not close.

move to D, not close.

team speed, TB is the closest to the Rangers

forecheck/system - no one is close to the Rangers

depth, not close, they can roll 4 lines

the only area the Rangers lag is in "stars" only because Nash isn't scoring. The Rangers don't have a Kane/Toews/Stamkos/Getzlaf/Perry but so what, it's not enough to outweigh everything else and the way Kreider is playing right now, someday we'll be saying team X has no Kreider.
I hope you're right.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/18/2015 9:13 am : link
I think Anaheim poses a bit of a match-up issue.

Also, Corey Perry scares the shit out of me. He gets those dirty fucking goals that I love to see (but not against my team).
RE: .....  
MetsAreBack : 5/18/2015 9:21 am : link
In comment 12290219 BrettNYG10 said:
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The Ducks were guaranteed the Cup the first time MAB started talking shit about them.

Our only hope is that the NHL's partnership with McDonald's falls apart and Boudreau is forbidden from eating his McRib and fries from the Cup.



Wait... what? I said the Ducks were getting to the Final 4 this year. The only thing I said about the Ducks is if they'd met the Kings in the playoffs again - they'd lose... they are the Kings bitch (in fairness... a lot of teams are this time of year). But they got lucky, had two incredibly easy playoff rounds, now completely healthy facing a Blackhawks team with a lot of blue line injuries.... and have a great chance to play for a Cup.

I agree with arc's assessment earlier - the Ducks are basically Capitals 2.0 A little more depth/skill than Washington, but not quite as strong in goal/D... would be a hell of a series.

But i'm not getting ahead of myself... Saturday was just ONE game and we always suck in game 2 when up 1-0 in the series. I expect to see a different TBL performance tonight.
maybe my view is too distorted by the last Rangers-Ducks game  
Greg from LI : 5/18/2015 9:22 am : link
Where the Rangers absolutely dominated them in every phase of the game, but I'm just not particularly worried about Anaheim.
BTW  
Greg from LI : 5/18/2015 9:28 am : link
I read somewhere that Hayes is replacing Marty on the Nash-Brassard line.
fuck all this speculation  
B in ALB : 5/18/2015 9:28 am : link
Where the fuck is the game thread?
RE: BTW  
MookGiants : 5/18/2015 9:31 am : link
In comment 12290542 Greg from LI said:
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I read somewhere that Hayes is replacing Marty on the Nash-Brassard line.


huh? That already happened in game 1
RE: RE: BTW  
Greg from LI : 5/18/2015 9:34 am : link
In comment 12290547 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12290542 Greg from LI said:


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I read somewhere that Hayes is replacing Marty on the Nash-Brassard line.



huh? That already happened in game 1


I didn't see most of game one. Since the game winner was Moore from Hayes, I assumed this was new.
RE: RE: RE: BTW  
MookGiants : 5/18/2015 9:37 am : link
In comment 12290551 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 12290547 MookGiants said:


Quote:


In comment 12290542 Greg from LI said:


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I read somewhere that Hayes is replacing Marty on the Nash-Brassard line.



huh? That already happened in game 1



I didn't see most of game one. Since the game winner was Moore from Hayes, I assumed this was new.


Nope, Hayes was on the Nash-Brassard line from the start of game 1.

That goal came right after a PK, so lines were a bit messed up
Rangers have played well recently  
NYerInMA : 5/18/2015 9:39 am : link
against both Chicago and Anaheim, though obviously they only play twice a year in the regular season. Also, as we saw in Game 1 on Saturday, just because a team dominates another in the regular season, it doesn't mean that history will repeat itself in the playoffs. If the Rangers get to the SCF, I like their chances against both the Western finalists, but I could see them losing to both teams as well. There's really no way to know until it happens.
and i think we faced a backup goalie both times against Anaheim  
MetsAreBack : 5/18/2015 10:08 am : link
I know Bryz started one of the games for them. They also beefed up at the trade deadline i think right?

just doesnt mean much - if we play our game like we have the past couple of games, we've got a good shot but all these teams left are excellent.
RE: RE: .....  
BrettNYG10 : 5/18/2015 10:10 am : link
In comment 12290537 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 12290219 BrettNYG10 said:


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The Ducks were guaranteed the Cup the first time MAB started talking shit about them.

Our only hope is that the NHL's partnership with McDonald's falls apart and Boudreau is forbidden from eating his McRib and fries from the Cup.




Wait... what? I said the Ducks were getting to the Final 4 this year. The only thing I said about the Ducks is if they'd met the Kings in the playoffs again - they'd lose... they are the Kings bitch (in fairness... a lot of teams are this time of year). But they got lucky, had two incredibly easy playoff rounds, now completely healthy facing a Blackhawks team with a lot of blue line injuries.... and have a great chance to play for a Cup.

I agree with arc's assessment earlier - the Ducks are basically Capitals 2.0 A little more depth/skill than Washington, but not quite as strong in goal/D... would be a hell of a series.

But i'm not getting ahead of myself... Saturday was just ONE game and we always suck in game 2 when up 1-0 in the series. I expect to see a different TBL performance tonight.


I must be confusing you with someone else that trashed Anaheim going into the post-season. Either way, I'm down for some MAB bashing.

We can look ahead. We're not playing the games. I'm just hoping that series goes seven.
Anderson  
MookGiants : 5/18/2015 10:13 am : link
Got pulled early in the game at MSG because he gave up 3 goals on 7 shots in firs 7 minutes
It's only one game yet  
Giants2012 : 5/18/2015 10:13 am : link
was surprised the Ducks handled the Hawks pretty well.
probably me  
Greg from LI : 5/18/2015 10:21 am : link
I've been ripping the Ducks because a)I can't stand Boudreau b)I didn't watch them that much during the season but when I did, they looked unimpressive, and their goal diff is pathetic for a team with that record.
.  
arcarsenal : 5/18/2015 10:26 am : link
Chicago outplayed Anaheim for pretty significant stretches yesterday. I would say they had the better of the play overall. But Anaheim capitalized on their chances and the Hawks didn't. It was just one of those games.
Agree that Chicago had their chances yesterday  
MetsAreBack : 5/18/2015 12:21 pm : link
but Anaheim's physicality impressed me and i just think Chicago's going to have a hard time without Roszival - he averaged 18 minutes/game for them and they were already thin back there - his replacement looked out of his league in limited minutes... and Crawford is so up-and-down. IMO the least dependable of the 4 goalies left.

Can never count Chicago out this time of year though. Only one game i guess and i'm sure the ridiculous layoff (10 days for Chicago, right?) impacted things too.
holy shit  
MookGiants : 5/20/2015 1:07 am : link
I have never in my life seen that
That  
Giantfootball025 : 5/20/2015 1:07 am : link
was crazy. I didn't think it would count but holy shit that's nuts hahaha.
no goal  
MookGiants : 5/20/2015 1:08 am : link
didn't even know that they had a rule for that
I had no idea what the rule was but I'm glad that's how it went down  
Mike in Long Beach : 5/20/2015 1:11 am : link
If you use any part of your body to intentionally bury the puck, I don't think it should count. I like it. What a game.
Agree  
Giantfootball025 : 5/20/2015 1:24 am : link
Mike. And yes this game has been awesome.
Blackhawks  
MookGiants : 5/20/2015 2:08 am : link
win. Great game.
Is there a rule about heading the puck in?  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 5/20/2015 8:51 am : link
That should've counted based on sheer awesomeness.
RE: I had no idea what the rule was but I'm glad that's how it went down  
BrettNYG10 : 5/20/2015 9:05 am : link
In comment 12293888 Mike in Long Beach said:
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If you use any part of your body to intentionally bury the puck, I don't think it should count. I like it. What a game.


I'd actually do away with most of those rules and let players slap, head, or kick pucks in. Still maintain disallowing above the crossbar deflections for safety reasons.
.  
arcarsenal : 5/20/2015 9:33 am : link
It's got to be one or the other. Either allow nothing that goes off any part of the body to count or allow all of it to count. I think they should just allow it. Let players kick it in, head it in.. who cares. Just get rid of the grey area in determining kicking motion or not, etc.
I have zero issue with the current rule  
pjcas18 : 5/20/2015 9:36 am : link
about goals off body parts.

you can't take away the ability to hit off a skate, pants, etc. and still count IMO.

At the same time intentionally swatting or kicking a puck in the net I believe should not be allowed.

I think that's how the rule works
.  
arcarsenal : 5/20/2015 9:39 am : link
I just don't like the "interpretation" of whether or not it was a kicking motion because the refs get it wrong like 50% of the time anyway. Just allow anything off a skate to count. Kicked or not.
RE: .  
pjcas18 : 5/20/2015 9:40 am : link
In comment 12293997 arcarsenal said:
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I just don't like the "interpretation" of whether or not it was a kicking motion because the refs get it wrong like 50% of the time anyway. Just allow anything off a skate to count. Kicked or not.


Is it wrong that much? I'd err on the side of being wrong, if there is any doubt on this. just my 2c.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 5/20/2015 9:52 am : link
Boston hires Don Sweeney as GM.

Babcock is apparently negotiating with Buffalo, which really surprises me.
RE: ....  
pjcas18 : 5/20/2015 10:09 am : link
In comment 12294013 BrettNYG10 said:
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Boston hires Don Sweeney as GM.

Babcock is apparently negotiating with Buffalo, which really surprises me.



still can't believe they fired Chiarelli. I'd hire him in a second. If anyone can straighten out Edmonton its him, IMO. They blame him for Seguin - who slept with Horton's wife and HAD to be traded. they blame him for Boychuk - who they had to trade or lose next year and had a big cap hit and they honestly didn't need him, but he built that team pretty well.

I didn't know Seguin slept with his wife.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/20/2015 10:18 am : link
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I thought Seguin's issue  
MetsAreBack : 5/20/2015 10:27 am : link
was that he was showing up to Stanley Cup Finals games hungover and sometimes even still drunk (?)

I dont know... I dont think he did all that fantastic a job for Boston. I think they'll be back to being a pretty good team next year, but they are basically a comeback miracle against Toronto away from being a nobody all the way back to 2011.


On the kicking motion stuff - clearly using your skates to kick a puck in around the goalie is really dangerous. We all saw that goalie injury from 25 years ago.

But i dont understand the rule where kicking motions are allowed in the blue paint - as long as it touches a stick or another player before going in. If the kicking rule is in place because of safety -- then any kicking motion in the blue paint should be a penalty or at least a disallowed goal, right?

Tampa had a clear kicking motion in the crease on Monday - still counted because Johnson was able to get his stick on it before going in. Still a dangerous play to Hank though.
I guess Babcock wants to build a team from the ground up  
Greg from LI : 5/20/2015 10:30 am : link
And no one is more "ground" than Buffalo. Plus they have a probable superstar to build around.
RE: I didn't know Seguin slept with his wife.  
pjcas18 : 5/20/2015 10:35 am : link
In comment 12294068 BrettNYG10 said:
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Rumor, but widely believed to be true - and perpetuated by people who I believe.
maybe he did have to trade Seguin  
Greg from LI : 5/20/2015 10:37 am : link
But he should have been able to do better than Loui Ericsson in return.
That makes a lot more sense.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/20/2015 10:38 am : link
I thought the return they got was a bit shitty and wouldn't have traded him - but I wasn't privy to his coital activities.
RE: I thought Seguin's issue  
pjcas18 : 5/20/2015 10:42 am : link
In comment 12294086 MetsAreBack said:
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was that he was showing up to Stanley Cup Finals games hungover and sometimes even still drunk (?)

I dont know... I dont think he did all that fantastic a job for Boston. I think they'll be back to being a pretty good team next year, but they are basically a comeback miracle against Toronto away from being a nobody all the way back to 2011.


On the kicking motion stuff - clearly using your skates to kick a puck in around the goalie is really dangerous. We all saw that goalie injury from 25 years ago.

But i dont understand the rule where kicking motions are allowed in the blue paint - as long as it touches a stick or another player before going in. If the kicking rule is in place because of safety -- then any kicking motion in the blue paint should be a penalty or at least a disallowed goal, right?

Tampa had a clear kicking motion in the crease on Monday - still counted because Johnson was able to get his stick on it before going in. Still a dangerous play to Hank though.

Is that what the rule is? kicking motions in the crease are illegal?

I though you just can't kick it in the net directly.

Never realized it was for safety.

no, its not the rule  
MetsAreBack : 5/20/2015 11:25 am : link
If it were, then Tyler Johnson's third goal would not have counted.

i'm saying it should be. If the rule isnt in place for goalie safety (blades coming off the ice and in potential contact with players).... then IMO its a stupid rule period.

I can understand not allowing thrown or swatted pucks by hand to count... but body parts, skates, knees, whatever... goals are goals. Why must it be by stick? That's silly.

Yeah, I'm not familiar with the reasoning  
pjcas18 : 5/20/2015 11:37 am : link
is it safety? You can't kick in a goal directly from anywhere, not just the crease. But guys kick pucks to their sticks all the time, I think if you can kick the puck to your stick and direct it in the net it should be a goal.
Babcock agrees to an eight year, $50M deal with Toronto.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/20/2015 2:14 pm : link
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Detroit now i would assume goes into heavy rebuild mode  
MetsAreBack : 5/20/2015 3:25 pm : link

Babcock may be a little overrated, but even he admitted that team had no chance to compete in coming years with the younger, better teams.

Just surprised he went Toronto over Buffalo - Toronto isnt particularly close either. I guess its the ego - wanting to end Toronto's plight - and even moreso the cash.

Who knows, Babcock might make Toronto a borderline playoff team next year... but more likely we have 10 teams competing for 8 slots in the East next year (non-playoff teams Boston, Colombus and Florida competing ... while Detroit falls out)
the difference is, whatever the org's shortcomings  
Greg from LI : 5/20/2015 3:27 pm : link
Toronto isn't going to go cheap. They have all the money in the world to spend. That's hardly true for Buffalo. And a lot of hockey people think highly of Shanny.
true, they will spend  
MetsAreBack : 5/20/2015 3:35 pm : link
but this league is about developing from within, getting some high draft choices to build around, and nailing on those draft picks.

How good would Tampa be right now if Drouin was as advertised? Hell they should have Seth Jones on their blue line right now.

They still might win a Cup, but holy shit....
true  
Greg from LI : 5/20/2015 3:37 pm : link
On the other hand, Tampa developed two top-line scorers from an undrafted guy and a 6th round pick, so it offsets Drouin being a flop.
So, since the Blues were in the playoffs  
pganut : 5/20/2015 6:35 pm : link
And I didn't want to drop this into the Rangers thread...

Marty Brodeur is your new Assistant GM of the St. Louis Blues.

Watch out, donut shops.

And he'll never out-Garth...Garth.

Brodeur signs three-year deal to be Blues assistant GM - ( New Window )
what's with all these ex superstars  
MetsAreBack : 5/20/2015 7:11 pm : link
getting GM jobs recently? Messier came a whisker close too a few years back.

Some guys like Yzerman are doing phenominal jobs -- but who knew so many, i mean i get that they know talent and Xs/Os... but who knew so many understood advanced metrics and business aspects to the cap era and all that stuff too.
Buffalo is not cheap  
hudson : 5/20/2015 7:15 pm : link
Their owner, Pegulla, has no problem spending money.
Yzerman at least served a few years with Detroit  
BrettNYG10 : 5/20/2015 7:33 pm : link
Before getting the opportunity to run his old team. Guys who work their way up tend to do alright while guys who are gifted gigs (Gretzky, Snow) tend to struggle.
RE: what's with all these ex superstars  
pganut : 5/20/2015 7:37 pm : link
In comment 12295150 MetsAreBack said:
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getting GM jobs recently? Messier came a whisker close too a few years back.

Some guys like Yzerman are doing phenominal jobs -- but who knew so many, i mean i get that they know talent and Xs/Os... but who knew so many understood advanced metrics and business aspects to the cap era and all that stuff too.
I think many players in the mid 80s onward started paying attention to dollars and cents. I was an advisor at Smith Barney in the early/mid 90s and Stevie Y was a Financial Consultant in the Troy, MI office in the offseasons at that time. Alan Eagleson screwed over many players who trusted him and lost money...guys like Yzerman started paying attention.
And the NHL has always been an old boys club.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/20/2015 7:38 pm : link
Right now, only seven GMs didn't play in the NHL - and one of those seven include Stan Bowman.
Drouin isnt a flop  
Deej : 5/20/2015 7:49 pm : link
by some statistical measures he's been very good. I think I saw that his possession stats were excellent and his points/60 compares favorably to some stars.

And re Snow, I though Isles fans have been generally happy with him, no? That team seems headed in the right direction. I know a lot of fans want Cappy fired though.
Using the happiness of the stupidest fan base in sports  
BrettNYG10 : 5/20/2015 7:50 pm : link
Probably isn't a good measure.
RE: Drouin isnt a flop  
pganut : 5/20/2015 7:53 pm : link
In comment 12295187 Deej said:
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by some statistical measures he's been very good. I think I saw that his possession stats were excellent and his points/60 compares favorably to some stars.

And re Snow, I though Isles fans have been generally happy with him, no? That team seems headed in the right direction. I know a lot of fans want Cappy fired though.
Correct. Snow has done very well overall and especially in the last couple of years. While Cappy is beloved by the players - a great trait for sure - I want someone who can put the Isles in the best position to win. I think Cappy is great for BPT, and without question a Babcock would have been great, although not at the coin he got. I'd love to see the Isles with someone like Jon Cooper.
RE: Using the happiness of the stupidest fan base in sports  
Deej : 5/20/2015 7:59 pm : link
In comment 12295191 BrettNYG10 said:
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Probably isn't a good measure.


Touche. Also, I meant to say that Drouin's positives are purely offense. His defense is reportedly putrid.
Would Pouliot be a good comp for him?  
BrettNYG10 : 5/20/2015 8:00 pm : link
High draft pick, strong puck possession, but a disappointment overall?
Id like to know  
MookGiants : 5/20/2015 11:16 pm : link
What its going to take for Stamkos to get called for a penalty
RE: Would Pouliot be a good comp for him?  
Deej : 5/20/2015 11:23 pm : link
In comment 12295207 BrettNYG10 said:
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High draft pick, strong puck possession, but a disappointment overall?


It's cliche to say "it's way too early", but it's way too early. Drouin is 20 years old and doesnt have a full nhl season in yet.
it just makes Tampa even scarier for the next 5 years  
MetsAreBack : 5/20/2015 11:37 pm : link
not sure when Cap hell will set in for them... but man... I will say its absolute fucking bullshit that there is no state income tax or cost of living adjustment in this league. I really despise this ownership group.

It's one thing to want parity and all that. Its another thing to rape your players and set a cap way too fucking low with not even a cost of living adjustment by market.
RE: it just makes Tampa even scarier for the next 5 years  
Mike in Long Beach : 5/21/2015 1:57 am : link
In comment 12295823 MetsAreBack said:
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not sure when Cap hell will set in for them... but man... I will say its absolute fucking bullshit that there is no state income tax or cost of living adjustment in this league. I really despise this ownership group.

It's one thing to want parity and all that. Its another thing to rape your players and set a cap way too fucking low with not even a cost of living adjustment by market.


Is this really the ax you want to grind? Tampa certainly doesn't have any advantage when it comes to attracting talent than say... New York City.

What would you want? Floridian teams functioning with a $60 million cap while the Rangers get $70 (or something like that)? C'mon.
correct, but more like $75MM against $70MM  
MetsAreBack : 5/21/2015 9:00 am : link
The difference is roughly 8%. So the math is $5-6mm that should be adjusted for so that the players take home is roughly equal across markets.

You can say 'cmon' all you like - Isles will now be impacted too playing in Brooklyn. In a sport that is notoriously stingy with its players even though everyone knows the revenues are there - you dont think cost of living is going to factor into an agent and player's decision on where to play? They take home 8% more of their pay playing in Florida or Texas than they do in NYC.

And I'm not sure what the 'appeal' of playing in NY is for a hockey player. Marketing is non-existent. You get a more loyal fan base than you do in Florida? Yay?

It's lazy, common denominator shit that they dont adjust caps for cost of living.

/endrant
MAB  
Deej : 5/21/2015 9:49 am : link
I dont know why we dont hear more about the differential tax rates effecting player movement. Marginal income tax rate in British Columbia is 45.8% for income over C$ 151k, plus 12% sales tax when you actually spend the money. If I was a player I'd want to be in Texas or Florida.
nice job NBC  
YAJ2112 : 5/23/2015 8:37 pm : link
they just had a stat that the Ducks are 12-2 in the playoffs so far this year. So I guess this series is already over.
brutal turnover  
MookGiants : 5/23/2015 10:34 pm : link
by Blackhawks and it goes from 3-1 to 3-3 in 23 seconds
Wow.  
arcarsenal : 5/23/2015 10:36 pm : link
Anaheim just scored 3 times in about 30 seconds
now 4-3  
MookGiants : 5/23/2015 10:36 pm : link
3 goals in 37 seconds.

Shoudl have been boarding on I think Getzlaf right before the goal
The Ducks just went bananas  
pganut : 5/23/2015 10:37 pm : link
Hawks have to be wondering what just happened.
Anaheim is a scary team.  
arcarsenal : 5/23/2015 10:38 pm : link
They have size, elite talent up front and 3 balanced defensive pairings. If the Rangers are able to get past TB and have to beat the Ducks, it's going to be a hell of a task.
Huge goal, Chicago  
arcarsenal : 5/23/2015 10:43 pm : link
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Hawks answer on PP  
pganut : 5/23/2015 10:44 pm : link
Good response. Would have been easy to have been numb after the Anaheim bkitz.
Blitz, that is  
pganut : 5/23/2015 10:45 pm : link
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and double OT coming up  
YAJ2112 : 5/23/2015 11:46 pm : link
pretty amazing considering the number of chances in OT
I haven't seen a beating like this  
MookGiants : 5/25/2015 9:48 pm : link
since someone stuck a banana in my pants and turned a monkey loose
RE: I haven't seen a beating like this  
hudson : 5/25/2015 9:52 pm : link
In comment 12300177 MookGiants said:
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since someone gave me a wedgee

Ouch.
Anaheim looks to me like the best team left of the 4.  
arcarsenal : 5/25/2015 10:03 pm : link
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I wouldn't be surprised to see the Blackhawks trade for one  
BrettNYG10 : 5/25/2015 10:14 pm : link
Of the Rangers defensemen this off-season.
Namely, Klein.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/25/2015 10:15 pm : link
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Bad goal  
JayBinQueens : 5/25/2015 10:19 pm : link
Given up by Anaheim.
Chicago chipping back.  
JayBinQueens : 5/25/2015 10:51 pm : link
Now 3-2 Anaheim after it being 3-0.

End of 2.

Something tells me we're in store for at least a 4th period tonight
Holy crap  
JayBinQueens : 5/25/2015 11:48 pm : link
Chicago with 2 goals in 1:10 to tie the game with 30 seconds left
That's why Staal and all these Rangers  
Giants2012 : 5/25/2015 11:49 pm : link
Should just throw the puck at the net. Anything can happen
wow  
MookGiants : 5/25/2015 11:49 pm : link
i turned it off at 4-2. Chicago is relentless.
RE: That's why Staal and all these Rangers  
MookGiants : 5/25/2015 11:50 pm : link
In comment 12300249 Giants2012 said:
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Should just throw the puck at the net. Anything can happen


Staal would have to come within the same area code of the net for anything to happen. Amazing how when he does shoot he literally never comes close to hitting the net
Wow, what a comeback.  
arcarsenal : 5/25/2015 11:52 pm : link
Can never count the Hawks out. Toews shot that from behind the red line. Talk about an impossible angle... it literally was. And it still went in because Andersen was terribly positioned.
Atrocious goal given up by Andersen  
timintey : 5/25/2015 11:54 pm : link
they lose this game, that will haunt him...
3 of the 4 goals  
MookGiants : 5/25/2015 11:56 pm : link
were terrible to give up by Andersen

what a ridiculous angle  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/25/2015 11:56 pm : link
on that last goal.
RE: RE: That's why Staal and all these Rangers  
Giants2012 : 5/26/2015 12:04 am : link
In comment 12300251 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12300249 Giants2012 said:


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Should just throw the puck at the net. Anything can happen



Staal would have to come within the same area code of the net for anything to happen. Amazing how when he does shoot he literally never comes close to hitting the net



Well, he did travel all the way around the net and was in close proximity to the goal with two Rangers in front. He opted to pass back to ghe point.

He does miss the net all the time but he was close to the net as he's every been. At least try to shoot
I don't know  
MookGiants : 5/26/2015 12:05 am : link
who that was who went for the mind numbing slap shot instead of simply dumping it in, but he cost his team the game
Man.. what a gut punch for Chicago.  
arcarsenal : 5/26/2015 12:05 am : link
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well  
YAJ2112 : 5/26/2015 12:05 am : link
that was fast... that might be the dagger
Nice  
Giants2012 : 5/26/2015 12:05 am : link
Flip
I know it's the Hawks  
Stufftherun : 5/26/2015 12:06 am : link
and all but I thought they were done after being down 3 but being down 2 with less than 2 minutes ...

Well, so much for completing the comeback and finishing them off.
RE: RE: RE: That's why Staal and all these Rangers  
MookGiants : 5/26/2015 12:06 am : link
In comment 12300259 Giants2012 said:
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In comment 12300251 MookGiants said:


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In comment 12300249 Giants2012 said:


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Should just throw the puck at the net. Anything can happen



Staal would have to come within the same area code of the net for anything to happen. Amazing how when he does shoot he literally never comes close to hitting the net




Well, he did travel all the way around the net and was in close proximity to the goal with two Rangers in front. He opted to pass back to ghe point.

He does miss the net all the time but he was close to the net as he's every been. At least try to shoot


100% agreed, he has to shoot it
it was Bickle  
YAJ2112 : 5/26/2015 12:07 am : link
with the dumb shot
I think it was Bickel  
MookGiants : 5/26/2015 12:07 am : link
who made that awful decision.

Knowing they are changing lines and he simply doesn't flip it in.

What an idiot
Yep  
timintey : 5/26/2015 12:08 am : link
Bickle blew that, big time
how do you look  
MookGiants : 5/26/2015 12:11 am : link
your teammates in the face after that nonsense? And he's been awful all playoffs
Chicago  
MookGiants : 5/26/2015 12:12 am : link
will find a way to get it back to Anaheim
i'll never understand  
MookGiants : 5/27/2015 10:14 pm : link
how that's not reviewable. Crawford had no chance to stop it because of the interference
and now  
MookGiants : 5/27/2015 10:15 pm : link
they call goalie interference on Chicago.

Amazing how bad these officials are.
Huge goal for Shaw and the Hawks.  
arcarsenal : 5/27/2015 10:35 pm : link
I have a feeling Anaheim will give them one last scare before this clock hits 0.
Gonna have  
spike : 5/27/2015 10:37 pm : link
Two game 7s.

NHL playoff is the best in sports
RE: Gonna have  
MookGiants : 5/27/2015 10:38 pm : link
In comment 12303536 spike said:
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Two game 7s.

NHL playoff is the best in sports


Nah, NBA is better. Watching free throw competitions and hack a howards while everyone knows who is going to the finals is just so awesome to watch.
Nothing better than playoff hockey.  
arcarsenal : 5/27/2015 10:41 pm : link
Going to have a couple of incredible Game 7's.
Give me the World Series any day.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/27/2015 10:48 pm : link
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RE: Give me the World Series any day.  
Anakim : 5/27/2015 11:29 pm : link
In comment 12303544 BrettNYG10 said:
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Either US Opens...


I think the Ducks will win Game 7 though. Just a hunch. Blackhawks dominated them tonight though
NHL Ratings  
Giants2012 : 5/28/2015 8:10 am : link
New York vs Chicago

Or

Tampa vs Anaheim

hmmmm, tough call
RE: NHL Ratings  
MookGiants : 5/28/2015 8:33 am : link
In comment 12303667 Giants2012 said:
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New York vs Chicago

Or

Tampa vs Anaheim

hmmmm, tough call


Well, if you're thinking the refs are going to rig it in favor of NY/Chicago, please explain the missed goalie interference last night?
The NFL told them to ignore it.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/28/2015 8:35 am : link
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If the Rangers make the finals  
Deej : 5/28/2015 8:47 am : link
it will top off an interesting crossroad for the NHL. You'll be coming off of back to back seasons of NY-LA/ANA or NY-LA then NY-CHI in the finals (obviously with an ANA or CHI falling just short this year and CHI falling short last year). LA, CHI, and BOS have won the last 5 cups. Oh, and Tampa (w/ Orlando) is a top 10 market too.

If they cant boom the # of US fans after all that, then either we just need to concede that hockey can never be more than a niche sport, or just fire EVERYONE at league HQ.
RE: The NFL told them to ignore it.  
Giants2012 : 5/28/2015 9:28 am : link
In comment 12303703 BrettNYG10 said:
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In this case i think they should listen to the NFL. Safe to say the marketing department in the NFL is a bit ahead of the NHL. Good to see the latest NHL star about to arrive in Edmonton.

RE: RE: NHL Ratings  
Giants2012 : 5/28/2015 9:30 am : link
In comment 12303698 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12303667 Giants2012 said:


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New York vs Chicago

Or

Tampa vs Anaheim

hmmmm, tough call



Well, if you're thinking the refs are going to rig it in favor of NY/Chicago, please explain the missed goalie interference last night?


Wasn't thinking about rigging or a goalie interference
RE: If the Rangers make the finals  
MetsAreBack : 5/28/2015 9:32 am : link
In comment 12303724 Deej said:
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or just fire EVERYONE at league HQ.



I am fully supportive. They have the best spectating sport in the country but they just cannot get out of their own way. It's incredible.

If the Rangers win tomorrow, they are winning the Cup. They are better than either of these West teams - Chicago doesnt have enough Defensive depth and we can slow down Kane/Toews... and Anaheim, while tough, i think Hank is a lot more polished than Andersen.

But Tampa is just such a pain in the ass for us for whatever reason... tomorrow is such a coin toss.

Personally, how awesome would a murderers row storyline be of:

-Crosby (and Malkin)
-Ovechkin
-Stamkos
-Kane (and Toews)

...potentially 5 wins away from bouncing the best 4 (non-goalie) players in the league. Makes for a hell of a t-shirt anyway.
I'm fine with hockey being a niche sport  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2015 9:34 am : link
That means they don't have to cater to the wretched "casual fans", for whom everything needs to be dumbed down. I've seen it happen to the NFL, I don't want it happening to the NHL as well.
and apologies to Islanders fans for leaving Tavares  
MetsAreBack : 5/28/2015 9:36 am : link
out of that top 4 conversation.... but you dont fit into my storyline so i'm going with the Tavares is 5th best viewpoint.
NHL officials are having the same problems...  
BamaBlue : 5/28/2015 9:37 am : link
as NFL officials. The game has gotten so fast that the 'old' ways of officiating are becoming much more difficult. As both games have gotten progressively more complex (more rules) and faster, officiating has had difficulty keeping pace.

The worst aspect of NHL officiating seems to be absent in this years playoff. In past years, it was difficult to get 'normal' holding, tripping, or interference calls during playoff games. Clutch and grab teams, could rely on this to beat superior competition. So far in this years playoffs, I can't say there has been a lot of 'swallowing the whistle.'
RE: I'm fine with hockey being a niche sport  
MetsAreBack : 5/28/2015 9:37 am : link
In comment 12303809 Greg from LI said:
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That means they don't have to cater to the wretched "casual fans", for whom everything needs to be dumbed down. I've seen it happen to the NFL, I don't want it happening to the NHL as well.


I hear you, but personally i'd like to get the salary cap up to reasonable levels. It's absurdly low.
To which I'd respond with my burning hatred for salary caps  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2015 9:52 am : link
But that's a different argument.
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arcarsenal : 5/28/2015 9:57 am : link
I think both WC teams are better than TB.

If the Rangers get back to the SCF, they're still going to have their work cut out for them.
Well we all know the playoffs in general are never a picnic  
MetsAreBack : 5/28/2015 10:06 am : link
i mean a fairly limited on talent Washington club pushed as to the very brink.... but Tampa to me looks more potent than either of those west teams. It's probably more of a matchup headache for us than anything else, but the Tampas and Isles of the world seem to give us more fits than anyone else.

Certainly each West team brings something scary to the table - be it size and physicality of Anaheim or the playoff experience and speed of Chicago.... but if we get by Tampa, we're winning the Cup. And I'm a pessimist... but the Rangers to me look a lot better than both WC teams.
Neither WC  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2015 10:11 am : link
team is better than TB. In fact I think the final 4 EC teams were all better than both of these teams.

Starting with the goalies. If the Rangers advance they really have the only goalie capable of stealing a series.

Bishop showed he's capable of stealing a game, but not a series.

Chi basically has 4 D at most and that's being polite. they'll never stand up to the rangers or even the Lightning forecheck. and at this point Anderson is a MAF like playoff circus in net and Crawford has been pulled from games. no confidence in either goalie.


the ECF is the stanley cup.
RE: Neither WC  
MetsAreBack : 5/28/2015 10:19 am : link
In comment 12303915 pjcas18 said:
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the ECF is the stanley cup.



I agree that it is pjcas... for the Rangers.

For Tampa, their inexperience and the general shakiness of Bishop since game 4 of the Habs series... i cant say with certainty that they would beat Anaheim. Would be a good series though (which i would not watch one nano-second of because I'm a sore fuckin' loser)
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arcarsenal : 5/28/2015 10:19 am : link
I would take Crawford over Bishop.

And it's not like TB has much defensively beyond the Hedman/Stralman pair. I would take the Blackhawks' top 4 over theirs even if they really don't have a 3rd pair at this point.

I would also take Toews, Kane, Saad, Shaw and Sharp over Stamkos, Killorn and the Triplets.

Anaheim has the top tier offensive talent with Getzlaf/Perry, they have Kesler as their 2C, they have 3 balanced pairs and they're physical. Andersen is a major question mark but who knows.

I really just don't think Tampa is this juggernaut. They've just given us a lot of trouble for whatever reason.
TB is a bad matchup for the Rangers  
Deej : 5/28/2015 10:25 am : link
They killed us all season, and when they're on they make our vaunted defense look like swiss cheese. Kucherov also seems to be Hank's kryptonite. This series has been a real confidence shaker. I really feel like it's Tampa's game to lose. Not entirely sure why they kill us, but I suspect that it's because our back end is neither fleet nor physical, which lets their undersize top 6 carve us up.

We played much better against Chicago (1-0, 0-1 though no Kane) and we absolutely manhandled the Ducks (4-1 & 7-2).
I guess I've seen Bishop  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2015 10:28 am : link
play like a an elite goalie, even in a game 7, enough to give him the nod over Crawford. He's had shaky moments no doubt, but normally when the game is no longer in the balance, which doesn't mean it's ok.

and that's where it starts for me, goalies.

talent is talent. Kane will get his goals as would Toews, Saad, etc, but so would Stamkos, Johnson, Palaat, Killorn, etc.

Anaheim is the wild card. They are a better team than Chicago or TB but that circus in net moves them to last in my final 4.
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Deej : 5/28/2015 10:29 am : link
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Chris Johnston ‏@reporterchris 2m2 minutes ago

Cedric Paquette is on the ice at #TBLightning practice.
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Lightening #3 center. Missed game 6.
I dont know about "Tampa's game to lose"  
MetsAreBack : 5/28/2015 10:30 am : link

I'm not nearly as confident as others here about tomorrow - i see the game as a pick 'em (why Rangers are -145 baffles me) ... but I dont see it as "Tampa's game to lose"

We do have the better goalie and have been able to win possession in all 3 home games in this series, even if we lost two of them.

But holy shit their dominance at MSG this year has got to stop. 1-4 is ridiculous.
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arcarsenal : 5/28/2015 10:32 am : link
Bishop has been flat out bad in 3 of these 6 games. Ironically, all of his bad games were at Amelie and not MSG but even still. The guy isn't moving well laterally at all. He's slow across the crease and he's leaving a gaping 5 hole.

Hank hasn't dominated either, but... Game 7 @ MSG, I know who my money is on...
Well Zucc may practice for us ...  
MetsAreBack : 5/28/2015 10:33 am : link
though I doubt he'll play. Sounds like he'll be back for Game 1 of SCF if we get there though.

I actually think the 2 day break helps them a lot more than us. They had some banged up bodies, and they were complaining last round about how tired they were. I guess 23 & 24 yr olds arent quite used to the 100+ game season just yet.
Yeah, Tampa's game to lose  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2015 10:34 am : link
is flimsy at best.

4 - 0 for Henrik in game 7's at home and 7 - 0 for the Rangers in game 7's at home.

is no accident.

Henrik has a 1.4 gaa and a 95+% save percentage.

he ups in game in this situation.

Rangers score 3 and the game is won. Less than that it will be a battle.

my prediction: handshakes

both games.
The Rangers should probably be favored, but only slightly.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/28/2015 10:36 am : link
Home ice, best record in the league, etc. Neither should be heavily favored, though.

I think experience is wildly overrated, but if it's going to come in to play, it's tomorrow.
I'm not one that really buys into the "ups his game" stuff  
MetsAreBack : 5/28/2015 10:38 am : link
Hank is unfortunately due to be human one of these game 7s. We've put too much pressure on the guy over the years by taking the pedal off the metal when we get up in series, with the lousy game 2 play, etc.

Everyone reverts to the mean over time.

But hopefully its in a future season when he already has a Cup under his belt.
Stralman is quietly 6-0 in game 7s himself by the way  
MetsAreBack : 5/28/2015 10:39 am : link


I really, really hate the storyline of facing 3 ex Rangers from last year in this game. It just adds to the pain if we lose seeing that Benedict Arnold Callahan celebrate on our ice.
if you don;t buy the  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2015 10:41 am : link
"ups his game" stuff, how do you explain the game 7 experience and results being better than non-game 7's?

coincidence?

I believe when placed on a stage like this players do in fact increase their focus and intensity and "up their game".

just watch regular season to playoff hockey and tell me players don't up their game. I believe it.
I think there is some of that...  
MetsAreBack : 5/28/2015 10:43 am : link
but a lot of luck comes into play too, especially for a goalie. I remember in game 7 against the Flyers last year, 2nd period... Giroux missed a wide open net he normally hits in his sleep.

We're not talking about a ridiculous sample size either.

We need to give the guy 4 goals tomorrow IMO.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/28/2015 10:43 am : link
I don't buy into clutch except for very, very few athletes. I think Lundqvist is one of them. Eli too. Eli might be a better example because he goes from above average to elite in clutch situations. Lundqvist goes from elite to fucking absurd.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/28/2015 10:44 am : link
I thought Lundqvist played great in game six... And he gave up three goals. So I agree, the team needs to net four. Hopefully they're in Bishop's head.
RE: I think there is some of that...  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2015 10:45 am : link
In comment 12303991 MetsAreBack said:
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but a lot of luck comes into play too, especially for a goalie. I remember in game 7 against the Flyers last year, 2nd period... Giroux missed a wide open net he normally hits in his sleep.

We're not talking about a ridiculous sample size either.

We need to give the guy 4 goals tomorrow IMO.


4 almost guarantees it, I said 3, but 4 I think is a done deal.

just stay out of the box and half the game takes care of itself.

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arcarsenal : 5/28/2015 10:45 am : link
I do think Henrik ups his game and thrives in these situations. The sample size is far too large to ignore now.

Sure, he could come out tomorrow night and struggle and have a bad night but I'd be way more concerned about the guy in the other goal crease.

Getting pulled in a Game 6, maybe banged up.. never been here before.. you wonder how much confidence is going to be there. If NYR get on him early and put a couple past, I think the guy is going to fold.
I think it's Tampa's game to lose  
Deej : 5/28/2015 10:50 am : link
because I've seen every Rangers-Bolts game this season. It's just the sense I've gotten. Because they've run us off the ice several times. But more importantly because even in our recent wins they've really been able to force us into their style of "fire wagon" hockey. We are winning and losing against Tampa on their terms. Or at least that is my sense.

My comment about it being Tampa's game to lose is not a prediction that they'll win, or even that they're 50-50 to win.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/28/2015 10:59 am : link
EJ Hradek ‏@EJHradek_NHL 11m11 minutes ago
SCF: Gm 1 Wed, 6/3 8pm ET, G 2, Sat, 6/6 7pm, G 3 Mon, 6/8 8pm, G 4 Wed, 6/10 8pm, G 5, Sat, 6/13 8pm, G 6, Mon, 6/15 8pm, G 7 Wed, 6/17 8pm
I hear you  
MetsAreBack : 5/28/2015 10:59 am : link
i'm nervous as fuck too.

This is our biggest game since the '94 two game 7s. This deep into the playoffs, this far into our contender window (with teams like the Islanders getting better quickly) -- the stakes are just fucking enormous.

Game 7's in rounds 1 and 2 are nerve racking too, for sure, but if you lose its not like you were that close to a Cup...

Hopefully Hank has a little more magic in him.
And MAB  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2015 11:04 am : link
to your earlier point, I view myself as a sore loser too, but MTL is three players (Price, Paccioretty, and Subban) - you don't win a cup that way.

So, while disappointed I wasn't heartbroken, they're not built to win a cup like the Rangers.

and I love watching good hockey so these back game 7's for me are like Christmas in May.

I'm just hoping for OT (or at least close games).

And I'll watch the SCF games no matter who is in but I won't move a commitment for it or DVR them. If I'm home I watch.

I just think the Rangers are better equipped to handle the pressure  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2015 11:05 am : link
Tampa's won a game 7? Whoop-de-doo, they won an opening round game 7 at home - and one in which Detroit controlled the play for the most part, too. They haven't played a game 7 like this, with a Cup berth on the line while facing the god of Game 7s. The Rangers have been here many times before in recent seasons. We can talk about how perhaps they shouldn't end up needing 7 games in all those series, but the point is that they are very comfortable playing in them.
I think  
Deej : 5/28/2015 11:07 am : link
Game 3 of the finals was our biggest game (measured pre-game) since 94. The opening 2 in LA were soul crushing.

Game one we led 2-1; unable to protect the lead, we let them tied it in the 2nd and lost in OT. Ok, not protecting a 1st period lead I can live with.

Game two was a catastrophe. Up 4-2 after 2 periods, we bleed off the lead in the first half of the 3rd period, and lose it in 2OT.

We needed to win game 3, and instead we shit the bed with a 3-0 loss. We lost any shot at the cup right there.
the bitch of it was that they played better in game 3 than  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2015 11:10 am : link
in either of the first two games. Them's the bounces.

Fuck Dwight King, by the way.
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arcarsenal : 5/28/2015 11:15 am : link
The SCF was soul crushing. That series never should have gone that way. But those are the fucking breaks.

These guys remember it. And they know how close they are to getting back. We're not being denied this shit. Tampa can have their day. But it won't be tomorrow night.
was such a weird finals  
MetsAreBack : 5/28/2015 11:15 am : link
i agree, our best game was game 3 - and we lost by 3

Our worst game of the series was easily Game 4 - and we won on two pucks stopped on ice snow

The game 2 blown call certainly didnt help, but the Kings were the better team. I didnt come away from that series saying we blew that... sure we could have made it a longer series... but the better team won.

Cant say the same were we to lose 3 home games to this Tampa team in an ECF. That would be crushing - especially against Callahan, and even Stralman (since he never should have been let go)
aren't there three Rangers  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2015 11:21 am : link
who used to be Lightning?

not being a dick, but so many times I read about the ex-rangers, but MSL, Boyle and Moore all played for the Lightning.

is there less incentive for the former Lightning? Not sure of the reference.
not, not less incentive  
MetsAreBack : 5/28/2015 11:22 am : link
but i just dont care about the Lightning or their 100 fans

It's all about me and my feelings. You dont know that by now?
RE: not, not less incentive  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2015 11:23 am : link
In comment 12304071 MetsAreBack said:
Quote:
but i just dont care about the Lightning or their 100 fans

It's all about me and my feelings. You dont know that by now?


LOL, yes I know that by now.
the Kings were the better team  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2015 11:23 am : link
But that doesn't help soothe the sting of losing three overtime games. OT is a crapshoot - all you need is a bounce to go your way.
RE: aren't there three Rangers  
Deej : 5/28/2015 11:28 am : link
In comment 12304068 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
who used to be Lightning?

not being a dick, but so many times I read about the ex-rangers, but MSL, Boyle and Moore all played for the Lightning.

is there less incentive for the former Lightning? Not sure of the reference.


It is less relevant because (1) Boyle and Moore werent immediate TBL to NYR guys (and indeed, Dom Moore is a classic journeyman), and (2) the 3 NYR to TBL guys were on NY last season, two of whom were around for the cup run, and all 3 seem to be in a real snit about being cast out of NY.

BTW, that last part is really revisionist history by them. Stralman we dont know the story on -- some say Sather lowballed him and others say his wife wanted out of NY. Boyle talked about wanting to be a #3 center which Sather didnt see him as (rightfully). And Callahan wanted too much money and term for a guy who is a massive injury/decline risk.
...  
Deej : 5/28/2015 11:30 am : link
I do think that if MSL had played a significant role in a Rangers series win over TBL that it would be a HUGE deal. Imagine if Lundqvist forced his way to TBL, and then came back and killed us in the ECF the next season. Just brutal.

Unfortunately the MSL storyline hasnt panned out because of the honking fork sticking out of Marty's back.
Well from my perspective  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2015 11:34 am : link
MSL has as much incentive as anyone, being snubbed by his former GM, Yzerman, for the Olympic team - which allegedly lead to his trade.

if anyone could use some extra incentive it's MSL.
Dom Moore is more of a Ranger than anything else  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2015 11:35 am : link
Dude's played for nine teams, so of course he's not identified with any one in particular, but he's played in 242 as a Ranger and 133 as a Bolt.

Regarding Stralman....I don't see why he'd lie about not getting another offer from the Rangers after the first one was rejected.
Stralman was a fuck up  
MetsAreBack : 5/28/2015 11:37 am : link
and is 100% on Sather

Boyle i'm not sure about - the 3rd line C stuff makes no sense just because he never had a realistic shot at 3rd line C for Tampa. So... it was about the money. It's always about the money - personally I would have payed Boyle, not Glass, but this is small compared to the Stralman issue.

Callahan is just bad luck to be facing him now. We made the right decision moving on - even if it was utterly ridiculous that we had to throw a 1st round pick in to get it done.
I'd rather have Boyle than Glass  
Deej : 5/28/2015 1:02 pm : link
but I dont think that was the trade off in Sather's mind. Glass was the needed grit add. I think Sather viewed the decisions as:

Glass vs. Carcillo/Dorsett (grit)
B. Boyle vs. D. Moore (defensive 4th line pivot)
Stralman vs. D. Boyle (midpriced #4 dman).
Stralman made no sense then  
Sonic Youth : 5/28/2015 1:28 pm : link
and makes no sense now. Letting him go was universally hated. The story about his wife wanting out of NYC (why?) is the only thing that even makes sense or makes it acceptable.

Sather isn't a total idiot. Everyone saw how well Stralman played. That must have been it.

As for game 7, I'm so fucking incredibly nervous for this game. These games aren't fun, and I'm not looking forward to it. This is going to be so ridiculously stressful, and its a weird feeling knowing that I will be either elated or totally crushed in 36 hours.

I am PRAYING that we can build a lead and just coast through the game, even though I know it won't happen.
didnt see this posted  
MetsAreBack : 5/29/2015 8:52 am : link
Quote:
The groups for the 2016 World Cup of Hockey appear to have been set.
Group A will consist of Canada, Czech Republic, USA, and the Europe All-Stars. While Group B will consist of Finland, Russia, Sweden, and the U23-North Americans. Each nation will play a game against their groupmates with the top two teams in each group advancing to the semi-finals. The championship final will be a best-of-three series. The World Cup of Hockey is slated to run from Sept. 17th to Oct. 1st, with each game being played in Toronto's Air Canada Centre.



As much as I think Bettman and this ownership group are incompentently run... this is a really cool idea and sure makes next preseason tremendously interesting.
by next...  
MetsAreBack : 5/29/2015 8:52 am : link
i mean next calendar year, or 2016 of course
how do the all-star  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2015 9:01 am : link
teams work?
You mean as in who gets to pick them?  
MetsAreBack : 5/29/2015 9:31 am : link

Not sure, would think it would be like how baseball has done it, but dont know. I just think the under 23 teams is a really nice touch.

It's tough to gauge just how hard the vets will try in preseason though. And whether teams that make deep runs in the playoffs the year prior will volunteer their players for this.
no, must making sure I understand, so USA and Canada  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2015 9:36 am : link
will each have a team that will be only be USA and Canada players who are over 23, and there will be a team combined of USA and Canada players under 23 they compete with?

it's been a long week, not sure I understand that.
correct  
MetsAreBack : 5/29/2015 9:40 am : link
.
interesting  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2015 9:42 am : link
sounds like enough to make me watch, but initial reaction is I prefer it to be a country tournament.

1996 world cup might be the best collection of talent assembled in one tournament. still the best hockey I've seen.

Who would actually root for the North American under 23 team? Mexico?
I would  
MetsAreBack : 5/29/2015 10:01 am : link
why would you root for the older guys over them? And there's some serious talent on that under 23 team (especially the Canada team). I think its a great way for the league to market some of these young names.

Plus this gives Canada (all games in Toronto) some "playoff" games. No offense, but its been pretty quiet up there for a while in that regard.
I'd root for Team USA over the NA under-23s  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2015 10:18 am : link
Because, by jingo, I'm a jingo. USA! USA!

RE: I would  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2015 10:18 am : link
In comment 12305649 MetsAreBack said:
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why would you root for the older guys over them? And there's some serious talent on that under 23 team (especially the Canada team). I think its a great way for the league to market some of these young names.

Plus this gives Canada (all games in Toronto) some "playoff" games. No offense, but its been pretty quiet up there for a while in that regard.



Well they did win an Olympic gold in February last year and a couple international tournaments but otherwise agree. Not sure how much they care though since the bulk of the players on all the teams are Canadian and bring the cup home to their small towns after they win for the American franchise. but whatever I agree with you, they haven't had an NHL champ in forever.

if I understand right though the U23 team will be US and Canada - weakening both teams O23 teams possibly.

I want the USA to have the best team possible and Patrick Kane is 26 now, but if this was 4 years ago, he was still one of the best players in the US and if I understand this right he would have been on the North American U23 team, not US.

unless it's highly unlikely for a player under 23 to even make the team I don't see who roots for the North American team to beat their country.
from rotoworld -- that's it??  
MetsAreBack : 5/29/2015 7:57 pm : link

Quote:
NHL players only get paid for the calendared duration of their regular season, but those who make the playoffs get nice bonuses as well. All denominations in American dollars.

The President Trophy winners (New York Rangers) earn an extra $21,538. First round losers get $10,769, while second round losers net $21,538. Not too shabby. But wait, Conference Final losers earn a pretty $53,846, while Stanley Cup final losers are cushioned with a fluffy $96,923. Finally, the champs get to fill the Cup with their $161,538 bonus in whichever way they see fit during their day with the Lord Stanley's cup.



So Ovechkin only gets $10k per round to make the NHL tens of millions this time of year? Capitals players together only earned call it $500,000 as a group for those 14 games against NYR and NYI?
RE: how do the all-star  
Deej : 5/29/2015 8:16 pm : link
In comment 12305515 pjcas18 said:
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teams work?

They dont. Hank never makes it yet every year is a top goalie. 5x vezina finalist vs. 3x all star.
Go Hawks  
spike : 5/30/2015 8:48 pm : link
up 2-0 early
3-0 Hawks.  
Mr. Bungle : 5/30/2015 9:24 pm : link
Wow.
How in the world  
YAJ2112 : 5/30/2015 9:40 pm : link
was that not a kick in by Hossa?
RE: How in the world  
MookGiants : 5/30/2015 9:43 pm : link
In comment 12308218 YAJ2112 said:
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was that not a kick in by Hossa?


Yeah that should not have counted
at least  
spike : 5/30/2015 9:44 pm : link
the Rangers didn't lose this badly
The Blackhawks  
spike : 5/30/2015 9:45 pm : link
should handle the Lightning pretty easily in the Finals
RE: The Blackhawks  
MookGiants : 5/30/2015 9:49 pm : link
In comment 12308225 spike said:
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should handle the Lightning pretty easily in the Finals


People are still amazingly really underrating the Lightning, truly amazing.

They will have home ice, too.

I think they win. The Chicago defense is so thin and this series had to take a lot out of them, and Tampa's speed and skill will really push their defense.

I think it goes 7 but I like tampa to win it
It will be a great series  
MetsAreBack : 5/30/2015 10:09 pm : link
and I won't watch a second of it. Too painful. Stamkos and the triplets against Kane and Toews. Hedman vs Keith. Two goalies that can stink up a joint but can also play great when it matters.

I see a lot of the Blackhawks from 5 years ago in this young Lightning team.... *if* they can re-sign Stamkos next offseason. Hopefully Stamkos goes back to Canada.
the triplets  
MookGiants : 5/30/2015 10:14 pm : link
coming out of no where is really a killer. I dont know if its incredible luck or development or both but they may have been the best line in hockey this year and Kucherov was the only one even picked somewhat high, 58th overall.

Johnson undrafted, Palat 208th overall
I dont believe in luck  
MetsAreBack : 5/30/2015 10:16 pm : link
I find Tampa Bay to be incredibly well run. You don't get to the ECF/SCF 3x in 10 years with 3 different core groups on luck.

No state income tax helps too and is a major flaw in a salary cap system which unlike the NBA or NFL it is set so absurdly low.
The no state income tax  
MookGiants : 5/30/2015 10:19 pm : link
thing I think is way overblown by you. They didn't get Stralman because of no state income tax, they got him because the Rangers didn't want him. If Rangers offer the same he goes back to the Rangers. Attracting free agents and keeping guys has never been a problem for the Rangers, it's been a problem for teams in no state income tax states more than it has been the Rangers. The guys the Rangers want to keep they keep and they've gotten a bunch of guys in FA, too.

Johnson going from undrafted to this is luck. If they thought he would be this they would not have let him go undrafted. A pick that late (or undrafted) developing into this has a lot of luck in it.

That being said they are very well run, but to compete on this level there definitely is some luck involved.
the Rangers  
MookGiants : 5/30/2015 10:21 pm : link
got lucky with Henrik, too.
RE: The no state income tax  
MetsAreBack : 5/31/2015 12:02 am : link
In comment 12308253 MookGiants said:
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Attracting free agents and keeping guys has never been a problem for the Rangers,



I cant think of any free agent that came here on a "NY" discount. We attract free agents because we pay more than other teams are willing to pay.

And 1 Cup in 76 years later we see the results of that strategy.
if it's such a big deal  
MookGiants : 5/31/2015 12:07 am : link
why do the florida teams have issues retaining free agents?

It's a non-issue that you are blowing up into an issue. If I remember correctly Richards signed with the Rangers and we weren't even the biggest offer. Tampa was in on it, too.

I think it's an issue in the NBA, but not the NHL. Guys in the NHL don't sign with the florida teams for discounts because of the state tax
if you can point  
MookGiants : 5/31/2015 12:11 am : link
to even one example of a good player who signed with a florida team for less than others were offering because of the state tax i'd be surprised. Guys leave those teams via free agency.
Well lets separate Miami from Tampa  
MetsAreBack : 5/31/2015 12:15 am : link
one team tries, the other wants to relocate (note: just wish they'd move the Panthers to Seattle already and stay at 30 teams with 15 per side.... but i'm sure they'll opt for expansion fees)

I'd drop the issue if the cap was reasonably raised to $80 million. It's just way to low - anyone paying attention knows most major teams can afford to pay the product on the ice more -- but Bettman bows to Detroit whenever possible.
I hope the Hawks demolish TBL  
Sonic Youth : 5/31/2015 12:17 am : link
Can't stand seeing fucking loser 2nd rate franchises located in warm weather win. The city of Tampa doesn't deserve the cup (again). Fuck them.

Let's go Hawks...at least Chicago cares.
RE: if you can point  
MetsAreBack : 5/31/2015 12:20 am : link
In comment 12308300 MookGiants said:
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to even one example of a good player who signed with a florida team for less than others were offering because of the state tax i'd be surprised. Guys leave those teams via free agency.



Did Tampa not just sign Stralman and Boyle at surprisingly team friendly terms? How do we know no one else had a higher dollar or length deal? Boyle made up some bull shit about being on a 3rd line even though everyone knew he was the 4th/5th best C on that squad and in early September was relegated to 4th line....

I don't think its out of left field to say leagues should set a cap at take home pay, not team IRS amount..... a cost of living adjustment is rational
RE: I hope the Hawks demolish TBL  
MetsAreBack : 5/31/2015 12:22 am : link
In comment 12308302 Sonic Youth said:
Quote:
Can't stand seeing fucking loser 2nd rate franchises located in warm weather win. The city of Tampa doesn't deserve the cup (again). Fuck them.

Let's go Hawks...at least Chicago cares.



One of Richards or Callahan wins a Cup this year. While Hank watches. You can't make this shit up.
MAB  
MookGiants : 5/31/2015 12:23 am : link
Stralman wanted to come back. He said so himself. And he made it pretty clear he would have come back if they matched the Tampa deal. They never even made another offer after the initial one.

Stralman signed with them because the Rangers chose to go in another direction, not because of the no state income tax
RE: RE: I hope the Hawks demolish TBL  
Sonic Youth : 5/31/2015 12:24 am : link
In comment 12308304 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 12308302 Sonic Youth said:


Quote:


Can't stand seeing fucking loser 2nd rate franchises located in warm weather win. The city of Tampa doesn't deserve the cup (again). Fuck them.

Let's go Hawks...at least Chicago cares.




One of Richards or Callahan wins a Cup this year. While Hank watches. You can't make this shit up.

It won't bother me if its Richards,

Fuck Cally. The way i look at it, the city of Chicago and Blawkhawks fans will appreciate that cup. These bandwagon tampa fans who have never even seen the fucking snow do not deserve it

Banning rangers fans from wearing jerseys in theri stadiums, restricting their seats and ticket sales to florida residents only.... reaks of a 2nd rate loser franchise that is completely irrelevant trying to manufacture home ice.

I hope an O6 team takes out those fucking frauds. fuck teams in the south. other than san jose, fucking move em all.
the only positive  
MookGiants : 5/31/2015 12:27 am : link
I see in Tampa winning a cup is that they could come back less hungry the following year. But they could also just turn into a juggernaut at the same time, who knows.

I do not want Callahan to win a cup. Was not a huge fan of him while he's here and I don't particularly like how he plays, especially the constant diving.

Stralman is 100% on Sather and AV  
MetsAreBack : 5/31/2015 12:27 am : link

we've all been saying since August what a horrific, mind numbing decision that was. Maybe one day we'll all get resolution on that in the form of an explanation from someone -- teams never ever let elite scorers and top line D-men go... and Sather inexplicably did.

But to say Tampa and Dallas can't attract talent because players can take home 7% more of their pretax (and more versus Canadian teams, per deej... I have not researched) when those teams can offer a Stamkos or Seguin and a future.... I think you're looking to the past and not to the future my friend. It's relevant.
San Jose?  
MookGiants : 5/31/2015 12:27 am : link
South? Huh?
RE: Stralman is 100% on Sather and AV  
MookGiants : 5/31/2015 12:29 am : link
In comment 12308309 MetsAreBack said:
Quote:

we've all been saying since August what a horrific, mind numbing decision that was. Maybe one day we'll all get resolution on that in the form of an explanation from someone -- teams never ever let elite scorers and top line D-men go... and Sather inexplicably did.

But to say Tampa and Dallas can't attract talent because players can take home 7% more of their pretax (and more versus Canadian teams, per deej... I have not researched) when those teams can offer a Stamkos or Seguin and a future.... I think you're looking to the past and not to the future my friend. It's relevant.


If it's relevant please name the guys who signed with them in free agency for less than other teams were offering.

If the Rangers offer a guy 5 years 35 million and the Lightning offer the same guy 5 years 35 million, I'd bet 95 out of 100 would go to the Rangers. Tampa is not a popular destination for free agents, never has been never will be.
I dont understand the san jose and south  
MetsAreBack : 5/31/2015 12:30 am : link
relevance

Personally I feel for San Jose fans... we're currently experiencing what their die hards went through last decade.
And it's not 7%  
MookGiants : 5/31/2015 12:31 am : link
it would be like 3.5% more. Still adds up but I really don't think it's a factor in the NHL.
I live in Florida right now  
MetsAreBack : 5/31/2015 12:33 am : link
and lived in NYC the last 15 years. Can tell you the difference is not 3.5%.... its like 7%.... but maybe I have a good accountant (?)
They get taxed  
MookGiants : 5/31/2015 12:36 am : link
based on the states/cities they play in, so they only have the advantage for basically half of their paycheck

RE: I dont understand the san jose and south  
Sonic Youth : 5/31/2015 12:21 pm : link
In comment 12308312 MetsAreBack said:
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relevance

Personally I feel for San Jose fans... we're currently experiencing what their die hards went through last decade.

Not the south, but not a traditional hockey market.

My point is that they've actually embraced their team and the sport and have a fanbase that fills their stadium to capacity constantly and truly is die hard about their team.

The number of non-traditional markets I can root for to win the cup is very small. The Sharks are one.

As for Juggernauts and dynasties, you never know what will happen, so its impossible to predict. Around 07 or 08, everyone said the Pens, with Crosby, Malkin, Staal, young MAF who showed promise, and a couple of solid role players, would be a dynasty. It didn't happen.

Winning a cup is hard, but more than that, hockey is unpredictable and flukey s fuck. It's not the NBA. It's not like there's some player that will bring a team to the finals just by being on the team (Lebron).
Where you rooting for the Hawks or Ducks?  
hudson : 5/31/2015 6:55 pm : link
I'm pissed the Hawks won, because I think with their goalie and defense, we'd have a very good chance at beating them....much better than the Kings.

Tampa showed the regular season match up mattered....and we did pretty good against the Hawks....tho they didn't have Kane.
and we didnt have Hank in those Hawks games  
MetsAreBack : 5/31/2015 11:37 pm : link
fuck Kane. they would have been tough to beat with McD on a broken foot though.

Goddamn it when will we Rangers fans ever catch a break?
Nope  
Route 9 in LEH : 6/2/2015 1:25 pm : link
...
Habs  
pjcas18 : 6/3/2015 11:48 am : link
resigned Jeff Petry to a 6-year deal. Money was too high (5.5M per), but that's what you pay I guess for a top 6 UFA defenseman.

Liked the acquisition at the deadline (2nd round pick), like it more now just wish the $$ were less.

Solid, but not spectacular, top 6-American born defenseman.


RE: Habs  
MetsAreBack : 6/3/2015 1:22 pm : link
In comment 12312439 pjcas18 said:
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resigned Jeff Petry to a 6-year deal. Money was too high (5.5M per), but that's what you pay I guess for a top 6 UFA defenseman.

Liked the acquisition at the deadline (2nd round pick), like it more now just wish the $$ were less.

Solid, but not spectacular, top 6-American born defenseman.



Petry gets more money, and more years, than Stralman.

I'm never ever getting over this.
The rest of the league wildly underrated him too.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/3/2015 1:27 pm : link
How the fuck did Orpik get more than him? Makes no sense.
RE: RE: Habs  
pjcas18 : 6/3/2015 1:27 pm : link
In comment 12312635 MetsAreBack said:
Quote:
In comment 12312439 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


resigned Jeff Petry to a 6-year deal. Money was too high (5.5M per), but that's what you pay I guess for a top 6 UFA defenseman.

Liked the acquisition at the deadline (2nd round pick), like it more now just wish the $$ were less.

Solid, but not spectacular, top 6-American born defenseman.





Petry gets more money, and more years, than Stralman.

I'm never ever getting over this.


and Stralman is a better player. Petry lays some vicious hits and MTL needs toughness but it's an overpay
Go Hawks  
NYerInMA : 6/3/2015 1:29 pm : link
F Tampa.
RE: The rest of the league wildly underrated him too.  
MetsAreBack : 6/3/2015 1:32 pm : link
In comment 12312647 BrettNYG10 said:
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How the fuck did Orpik get more than him? Makes no sense.


The rest of the league is a fuck up too, but when the guy is right under your nose for over 100 games last year and was so clearly your best defensive player through the playoffs....


ARRRRGH.
Yeah, it's even worse.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/3/2015 1:34 pm : link
Just brutal decision making.
RE: Go Hawks  
Giants2012 : 6/3/2015 1:37 pm : link
In comment 12312652 NYerInMA said:
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F Tampa.


Just hoping the Hawks don't walk all over Tampa b/c then we'll really feel like we lost to an inferior opponent and could have put up a better fight agaisnt the Hawks.
I'd rather  
MookGiants : 6/3/2015 1:40 pm : link
Chicago kicked their ass. If Tampa really battles them or even wins it will make me feel 10x worse, as I'd then believe even more that we pissed away a cup
I think TB  
pjcas18 : 6/3/2015 1:44 pm : link
can win if they force the play in the offensive zone and get somewhat physical. Chicago's top 4 D are logging a ton of minutes.

the triplets are no joke, those dudes motor and stay on you, and Stamkos/Killorn are no slouches either.

Chicago has the offensive starpower, I give G a draw so it will come down to Tampa's D and special teams IMO.

Chicago should win, but I'm picking Tampa
The Rangers couldn't expose Tampa's weak 2/3 D pairings  
Greg from LI : 6/3/2015 1:49 pm : link
Chicago won't have that same problem.
If Zucc was healthy (or MSL didn't die) they would have had a  
BrettNYG10 : 6/3/2015 1:55 pm : link
Better chance.

Thanks, McDonagh.
Sustr  
pjcas18 : 6/3/2015 1:56 pm : link
is horrible, but Garrison and Coburn aren't bad.
Sustr is terrible  
Greg from LI : 6/3/2015 1:57 pm : link
Coburn, Carle and Garrison are average at best.
I think Carle  
pjcas18 : 6/3/2015 2:18 pm : link
was inured in the Rangers series, I don't remember him being that bad.

maybe he's healthier now.

He's always been solid.
And Garrison  
pjcas18 : 6/3/2015 2:19 pm : link
has an absolute cannon of a shot, you could time his windup with a sun dial though so it's rare he gets his shot off.

against MTL who doesn't have the speedy forecheckers like the Rangers he had a field day, and they used him some on the PP to showcase his shot but defensively yeah, he's average.
Go Hawks  
YAJ2112 : 6/3/2015 3:55 pm : link
.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 6/3/2015 3:59 pm : link
I'm rooting for the Hawks as well. I like seeing dynasties when they don't impact the Rangers (which they never do). Kane's my favorite non-Ranger. I like Toews a lot.

Also think Stamkos is more likely to leave TB if they don't win a Cup.
Plus, the dozens of Bolts fans out there don't deserve another cup  
Greg from LI : 6/3/2015 4:01 pm : link
The hell with them. Go Hawks.
Nate Silver's still bitter  
NYerInMA : 6/3/2015 4:10 pm : link
as are most of us.
Memo From A Bitter Rangers Fan: The NHL Just Missed A Ratings Bonanza - ( New Window )
Sounds like Boudreau's on the hot seat  
MetsAreBack : 6/3/2015 5:36 pm : link
on the one hand... that's a lot of game 7 losses, most of 'em on home ice.

On the other hand, at least with the Ducks... its not like he's losing to bad teams in game 7.
that was incredible  
pjcas18 : 6/3/2015 8:30 pm : link
what a tip
The Lightning  
spike : 6/3/2015 8:31 pm : link
is outplaying the Hawks atm
Lightning  
MookGiants : 6/3/2015 8:32 pm : link
are going to win this series which is going to make the Rangers loss hurt even more.
love the way TB is playing  
feelflows : 6/3/2015 8:44 pm : link
great seeing Jon Cooper being interviewed during the Final.. representing Hofstra!!!

Go TB!
Rangers looked awesome in game 1  
Greg from LI : 6/3/2015 9:09 pm : link
Didn't end up that way. Fuck Tampa.
I just dont think  
MookGiants : 6/3/2015 9:12 pm : link
Chicago's D or goaltender can hang with the firepower of this Tampa team. Anaheim had no where near the firepower to really make the lack of defensive depth pay. 2 of the probably top 10 lines in the entire league are on Tampa
every time  
MookGiants : 6/3/2015 9:12 pm : link
I see Stralman on Tampa's #1 power play unit i want to cry.
This fuckin sucks  
B in ALB : 6/3/2015 9:42 pm : link
And listen to the Isles fan chirping about a fuckin lacrosse player. Puke.
RE: This fuckin sucks  
feelflows : 6/3/2015 9:43 pm : link
In comment 12313227 B in ALB said:
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And listen to the Isles fan chirping about a fuckin lacrosse player. Puke.


awww..why don't you start a thread jerking off your fellow Rangers fans again.
I knew it was an attempt  
B in ALB : 6/3/2015 9:48 pm : link
to talk shit without the balls to actually talk shit...On a fuckin message board no less. As if you give a fuck about Cooper. Though he fits your smarmy, passive aggresive bullshit stance that you employ on virtually every thread riddled with your typical bitterness and weirdness. Loser. Pathetic as usual.
good action so far  
pjcas18 : 6/3/2015 9:58 pm : link
but no bad blood. need some shoving after the whistle, face washes, cross checks in front of the net. maybe there will be but not through two periods yet.
RE: Lightning  
hudson : 6/3/2015 10:27 pm : link
In comment 12313170 MookGiants said:
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are going to win this series which is going to make the Rangers loss hurt even more.
disagree.

Hawks win I'll be jealous the formerly worst O6 franchise has THREE recent tiles, Two more than the Rangers overall, and NY continues to be the SC drought for US o6.

Tampa wins, feel better the Rangers lost to the champs.
no one cares  
MookGiants : 6/3/2015 10:28 pm : link
what a Penguins fan thinks.
Niiiiiice  
bigbluehoya : 6/3/2015 10:37 pm : link
Tie game.

did Filpulla  
MookGiants : 6/3/2015 10:39 pm : link
think he was playing for the blackhawks there? Holy crap what in the world was he doing? He just stood in front of his goal tender, never even made an attempt to move the blackhawks player, and prevented Bishop from ever seeing the puck. Brutal
TB  
Essex : 6/3/2015 10:40 pm : link
Better figure out a way to win tonight because if they don't, it wouldn't shock me if they got swept.
Seemed like no one on the ice for TB  
bigbluehoya : 6/3/2015 10:41 pm : link
Saw the shot.

Can't believe Kane just missed there.
RE: TB  
bigbluehoya : 6/3/2015 10:41 pm : link
In comment 12313271 Essex said:
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Better figure out a way to win tonight because if they don't, it wouldn't shock me if they got swept.


This comment gave me dj vu to the stupid shit some people said after ECF game 1
I don't know why  
Essex : 6/3/2015 10:42 pm : link
What I am about to say is completely illogical, because Cally was a great Ranger, but every time I see him now I have nothing but hate for him. Cannot explain it.
Well  
GMenLTS : 6/3/2015 10:42 pm : link
I wanted to see overtime....
Tampa  
MookGiants : 6/3/2015 10:43 pm : link
needs to open the ice up and go after the Blackhawks defense. They are trying to play the same type of game that they did in games 5 and 7 against the Rangers, it's not going to work against this Blackhawks team with their experience and fire power. They have the firepower to outscore them, they can't try to play a defensive game.

Bad luck for Tampa there, puck went off defenders stick and off the bar and in. Bishop would have stopped that one.
RE: I don't know why  
Anakim : 6/3/2015 10:43 pm : link
In comment 12313275 Essex said:
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What I am about to say is completely illogical, because Cally was a great Ranger, but every time I see him now I have nothing but hate for him. Cannot explain it.


Because he's a douche. Captain Useless the Second
besides sharing a similar love for chicken parm  
MookGiants : 6/3/2015 10:44 pm : link
I was never a huge Callahan fan.
RE: RE: TB  
Essex : 6/3/2015 10:44 pm : link
In comment 12313274 bigbluehoya said:
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In comment 12313271 Essex said:


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Better figure out a way to win tonight because if they don't, it wouldn't shock me if they got swept.



This comment gave me dj vu to the stupid shit some people said after ECF game 1

The ECF game 1 talk was because the Rangers dominated. The Lightning have dominated this game and now are going to lose. Chicago has lost once at home this playoffs. You can't give away games when you outplay your opponents. Chicago has now settled in and game 2 is the series.
Of course  
Essex : 6/3/2015 10:45 pm : link
That is provided Chicago holds on tonight.
RE: besides sharing a similar love for chicken parm  
Anakim : 6/3/2015 10:46 pm : link
In comment 12313282 MookGiants said:
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I was never a huge Callahan fan.


Same. Or Dubinsky...except Dubinsky used to own Sindy, which made me happy, but never liked both that much. I did like Anisimov though
I loved Doobs  
Essex : 6/3/2015 10:50 pm : link
Still miss his heart and determination.
really anak?  
GMenLTS : 6/3/2015 10:53 pm : link
I hated him as a ranger naturally but Dubi was just one of those grit guys that got it done.

My kind of hockey player. If I were a ranger fan I'd find it hard to hold ill will toward him.

On the flipside, I did always think of Cally as a bitch.


I'm thinking Chicago in 5 for this stanley cup.
That is a bad and painful loss for tampa  
Essex : 6/3/2015 10:54 pm : link
They should have been up 3 or 4 nil and let up two goals in the last 8 minutes. There viability in this series is going to be decided Saturday evening.
RE: Lightning  
NYerInMA : 6/3/2015 10:54 pm : link
In comment 12313170 MookGiants said:
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are going to win this series which is going to make the Rangers loss hurt even more.


Lolz.
Gj Rangers South  
Giants2012 : 6/3/2015 10:55 pm : link
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RE: really anak?  
Anakim : 6/3/2015 10:56 pm : link
In comment 12313290 GMenLTS said:
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I hated him as a ranger naturally but Dubi was just one of those grit guys that got it done.

My kind of hockey player. If I were a ranger fan I'd find it hard to hold ill will toward him.

On the flipside, I did always think of Cally as a bitch.


I'm thinking Chicago in 5 for this stanley cup.


I liked their age and I liked their competitive spirit. Aside from that, I didn't care much for them. Their talents were always limited. I didn't hate them because they were Rangers, but I wasn't attached to them like many fans were.
RE: RE: Lightning  
Essex : 6/3/2015 10:57 pm : link
In comment 12313292 NYerInMA said:
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are going to win this series which is going to make the Rangers loss hurt even more.



Lolz.

One thing I was going to say when I saw this, while every team has injuries this time of year, our defense was playing so banged up. McD broken foot, Girardi a sprained MCL, Staal I think a hairline fractured ankle, Yandle a sprained AC joint, our d was really hanging on by a thread. Don't know if it would have held up against Toews and Kane, no matter what TB does.
Lightning  
MookGiants : 6/3/2015 10:57 pm : link
obviously have to win game 2 but if they do I still like them to win the series. Think they need to adjust and open it up though, if they play defensively like this Chicago is too skilled offensively and will capitalize on limited chances. They have the firepower to outscore Chicago with Chicago's depleted defensive corps. They tried to just sit back the last 50 minutes of the game and defend a 1 goal lead, not going to happen against the Blackhawks. They had like 10 shots halfway through the first it felt like and 13 the rest of the game
RE: RE: RE: Lightning  
hudson : 6/3/2015 11:01 pm : link
In comment 12313300 Essex said:
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In comment 12313170 MookGiants said:


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are going to win this series which is going to make the Rangers loss hurt even more.



Lolz.


One thing I was going to say when I saw this, while every team has injuries this time of year, our defense was playing so banged up. McD broken foot, Girardi a sprained MCL, Staal I think a hairline fractured ankle, Yandle a sprained AC joint, our d was really hanging on by a thread. Don't know if it would have held up against Toews and Kane, no matter what TB does.

Rangers don't have enough offensive talent or all star talent. That simple.
No NHL team has won it all with fewer top talent than the Rangers had.

They had TWO scorers in the top 10-15 in the playoffs.
Simple enough.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Lightning  
Anakim : 6/3/2015 11:05 pm : link
In comment 12313307 hudson said:
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are going to win this series which is going to make the Rangers loss hurt even more.



Lolz.


One thing I was going to say when I saw this, while every team has injuries this time of year, our defense was playing so banged up. McD broken foot, Girardi a sprained MCL, Staal I think a hairline fractured ankle, Yandle a sprained AC joint, our d was really hanging on by a thread. Don't know if it would have held up against Toews and Kane, no matter what TB does.


Rangers don't have enough offensive talent or all star talent. That simple.
No NHL team has won it all with fewer top talent than the Rangers had.

They had TWO scorers in the top 10-15 in the playoffs.
Simple enough.


Not having enough talent and choking/coming up short in the playoffs are mutually exclusive...Just ask TJ Oshie, David Backes, Rick Nash, etc.
Nash isn't a choker  
hudson : 6/3/2015 11:06 pm : link
He's Gaborik or Hossa, a star who isn't the lead scorer on a cup them.
Team  
hudson : 6/3/2015 11:07 pm : link
Fucking stupid ipad.
RE: Nash isn't a choker  
Anakim : 6/3/2015 11:16 pm : link
In comment 12313316 hudson said:
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He's Gaborik or Hossa, a star who isn't the lead scorer on a cup them.


Uhhh, what? Is this the same Rick Nash who was 3rd in the league in goals during the regular season?
RE: every time  
spike : 6/3/2015 11:17 pm : link
In comment 12313198 MookGiants said:
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I see Stralman on Tampa's #1 power play unit i want to cry.


ditto
RE: really anak?  
BrettNYG10 : 6/4/2015 7:46 am : link
In comment 12313290 GMenLTS said:
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I hated him as a ranger naturally but Dubi was just one of those grit guys that got it done.

My kind of hockey player. If I were a ranger fan I'd find it hard to hold ill will toward him.

On the flipside, I did always think of Cally as a bitch.

I agree. Callahan had likable aspects, but the whining/diving was too much to overcome for me.


I'm thinking Chicago in 5 for this stanley cup.


I loved Dubinsky and think the team could have used someone like him this post-season - hate to rely on qualitative bullshit, but he had a bit more fire than the current leadership shows. I don't really understand how someone could like Anisimov over him. Dubinsky does everything better.
Sorry, wrote half of my post in your quotes.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/4/2015 7:47 am : link
This is my line: I agree. Callahan had likable aspects, but the whining/diving was too much to overcome for me.


Stop using an unnecessary amount of space, LTS.
RE: RE: RE: Lightning  
BrettNYG10 : 6/4/2015 7:49 am : link
In comment 12313300 Essex said:
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are going to win this series which is going to make the Rangers loss hurt even more.



Lolz.


One thing I was going to say when I saw this, while every team has injuries this time of year, our defense was playing so banged up. McD broken foot, Girardi a sprained MCL, Staal I think a hairline fractured ankle, Yandle a sprained AC joint, our d was really hanging on by a thread. Don't know if it would have held up against Toews and Kane, no matter what TB does.


I agree, I think that was going to get to us at some point. It could've been overcome if the forwards didn't disappear for two of the final three games, though.
Anisimov is a better defensive forward than Dubinsky  
Greg from LI : 6/4/2015 8:58 am : link
I think he's more skilled, too, although those skills have never translated into more production, and probably never will at this point.

Dubinsky is the kind of guy who's a bitch to play against, and that has a lot of value. His only problem with the Rangers was that he was miscast as a first-line player, which is why people were usually disappointed with his production.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 6/4/2015 9:05 am : link
I think Dubinsky raised his game quite a bit since being traded to Columbus, particularly defensively. I'd rather have traded Callahan than Dubinsky at the time, but there was no way the team would have been able to fit Dubi cap-wise.

I think Columbus is going to have a really good year. They were truly decimated by injuries early on.
Can't speak to that  
Greg from LI : 6/4/2015 9:07 am : link
Haven't seen much of Columbus.

I did always enjoy watching Dubinsky go after the Penguins. He seemed like he truly hated them, a la Brandon Jacobs and the Cowboys.
...  
BrettNYG10 : 6/4/2015 9:18 am : link
Also, let's not forget his wife is a smoking hot ex-Hoo.
Chicago is probably the best team Tampa has faced to date  
MetsAreBack : 6/4/2015 9:56 am : link

...but i cant imagine they get swept. They didnt lose 3 games in a row all season and every time they lost this postseason, they responded strongly the next game... often times on the road.

My guess is Chicago wins in 6, but i did take Tampa at 12:1 before the playoffs started so... that would be a nice payday.
Fuck Tampa  
Sonic Youth : 6/4/2015 10:14 am : link
so happy Chicago was able to squeak this out.

Would not be surprised at all if Tampa wins this though. They just look like the better team.
Didn't see this info posted; NHL Competition Committee new rule rec's  
pganut : 6/4/2015 11:00 pm : link
Fron NHL.com:
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NEW YORK -- Co-chairs of the NHL / NHLPA Competition Committee Mathieu Schneider, National Hockey League Players' Association (NHLPA) Special Assistant to the Executive Director, and Colin Campbell, National Hockey League (NHL) Senior Executive Vice President of Hockey Operations issued the following statement on new rules recommendations after the Competition Committee met today in New York:

Expanded Video Review: Coach's Challenge - The Committee recommends that a Coach's Challenge be adopted for expanded video review for goals that may have resulted from (1) goaltender interference and (2) offside plays. The video review process and all decisions on goals where goaltender interference may have occurred will be the responsibility of the Referees at ice level, in consultation with the NHL's Situation Room in Toronto; similarly, goals that may have resulted from an offside play will be reviewed and determined by the on-ice officials, in consultation with the NHL's Situation Room in Toronto. In order for a coach to make a challenge, the team must have its timeout available.

Face-Offs - The Committee recommends a change to the face-off rule, whereby, for all face-offs in the defensive zone, the player from the defensive zone team must put down his stick first. For face-offs at center ice, the rule will remain the same, requiring that the visiting team player put his stick down first.

Overtime - There was considerable discussion of changing the current overtime format but no consensus was reached. The NHLPA and NHL will continue discussions in the coming weeks on potential changes with the intention for the Committee to make a decision on overtime later this month. There will be no changes to the shootout format.

The new rules recommendations still require approval by the NHLPA's Executive Board and the NHL's Board of Governors, at which point the language of the rules will be formalized.

The NHLPA was represented by Players Michael Cammalleri (New Jersey Devils), Cory Schneider (New Jersey Devils), Kevin Shattenkirk (St. Louis Blues) and Daniel Winnik (Pittsburgh Penguins), while David Backes (St. Louis Blues) was unable to attend. The NHL was represented by Philadelphia Flyers owner Ed Snider and General Managers David Poile (Nashville Predators), Ken Holland (Detroit Red Wings), Don Maloney (Arizona Coyotes) and Peter Chiarelli (Edmonton Oilers). The Competition Committee is co-chaired by Mathieu Schneider and Colin Campbell.
...  
Route 9 in LEH : 6/6/2015 8:37 pm : link
I can't wait for football
me too  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2015 9:28 pm : link
but this is good hockey. smart adjustment by quenville.
wicked  
MookGiants : 6/6/2015 9:40 pm : link
deflection to take the lead for Tampa.

They look like the better team to me. But Chicago has the experience, a great coach, and two all world players. And they always seem to find a way.

Bishop  
MookGiants : 6/6/2015 9:46 pm : link
must be sick, keeps going in and out of the game, probably has the shits
Power play, backup goalie  
Mad Mike : 6/6/2015 9:48 pm : link
Can't ask for much more if you're Chicago.
...  
Route 9 in LEH : 6/8/2015 8:31 pm : link
Lol God damn it I hate being a Ranger fan. I really do.

Callahan LOL
Hossa  
MookGiants : 6/8/2015 8:36 pm : link
missed a wide open net from 10 feet away, wow.
that's the kind of shit nightmares  
pjcas18 : 6/8/2015 8:44 pm : link
are made of if you lose.

great move to fake Bishop and then he choked.
Callahan  
feelflows : 6/8/2015 8:49 pm : link
Is having a hell of a Final. Got his game back after his surgery.
Bishop  
MookGiants : 6/8/2015 8:50 pm : link
has done that in every series except for the Rangers one, where he just whiffs on a glove save.

What a kick to the nuts. Richards and Callahan score. Bishop looks like a shit head
Bishop  
MookGiants : 6/8/2015 8:51 pm : link
is an absolute mess. I'd get him out of the game
I still like Richards.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/8/2015 9:33 pm : link
Maybe I'd feel differently if he reverted to an elite player after leaving NY. I'd be happy to see him get a Cup.
Another Cup.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/8/2015 9:33 pm : link
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RE: I still like Richards.  
Kyle in NY : 6/8/2015 9:47 pm : link
In comment 12319108 BrettNYG10 said:
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Maybe I'd feel differently if he reverted to an elite player after leaving NY. I'd be happy to see him get a Cup.


Same. Richards had his moments in NY. Scored some huge goals. I'm rooting for Chicago anyway, it would kill me to see those three guys win for Tampa after they just knocked us out. But I'd have no issues seeing Richards win. He had nothing but positive things to say about NYR too after they let him go
the only positive  
MookGiants : 6/8/2015 9:49 pm : link
I see in Tampa winning is it would shut the mouth breathers up who assume every year the West is significantly superior to the east when it clearly was not this year. And Tampa bay might not come back next year with the same determination.

I'd still rather Chicago win, but I have to admit it would really piss me off to see Crawford get his 2nd cup as starting goalie and 3rd overall. Something just doesn't seem right abotu that
I have no idea how  
MookGiants : 6/8/2015 9:51 pm : link
Tampa got out of that 1st period at 1-1 because Bishop was spitting out rebounds on nearly every shot, leaving open nets multiple times, his defensemen bailed him out 3 or 4 times because his quality of play shoudl have resulted in a ton of goals. He seems to have settled in now though. He looked injured in the 1st period
what is Quenville  
MookGiants : 6/8/2015 9:53 pm : link
arguing? Easy call.
yeah caught him in the head  
YAJ2112 : 6/8/2015 9:54 pm : link
pretty easy call
that was an ugly  
MookGiants : 6/8/2015 9:56 pm : link
5 on 3, Crawford didn't have to make any difficult saves.

Whenever I see a 5 on 3 now I will forever think about game 2 and MSL. Ugh
never mind  
MookGiants : 6/8/2015 9:57 pm : link
the save off of Palat's stick was tremendous, didn't see that it got deflected live
huge kill  
YAJ2112 : 6/8/2015 10:03 pm : link
the end of the period came just in time
RE: the only positive  
Greg from LI : 6/8/2015 10:16 pm : link
In comment 12319125 MookGiants said:
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I'd still rather Chicago win, but I have to admit it would really piss me off to see Crawford get his 2nd cup as starting goalie and 3rd overall. Something just doesn't seem right abotu that


No worse than Ben fucking Bishop winning one. Talk about a thoroughly mediocre goalie.
i tried to watch a few minutes of this game  
MetsAreBack : 6/8/2015 10:24 pm : link
but I just cant - saw some exciting minutes too, I bet this is a fun series to watch for casual fans. But Too painful.

Bishop can hardly move - he's been really hurt for weeks... and yet him playing at 75% *at best* shut us out in 2 of the final 3 games. On home ice. You cant make this up.

I know we had guys hurt too... but sometimes you know what, there's no excuse not to have beaten that guy.

...  
Route 9 in LEH : 6/8/2015 10:27 pm : link
I think this is Tampa Bays year. Only a boner team like them could have something like that happen.
you can't beat him  
MookGiants : 6/8/2015 10:31 pm : link
if you never make him work.

Blackhawks having the last change has made a huge difference in this game. Toews line is buzzing all game because they are getting the matchups they want. Meanwhile we get the matchups in games 5 and 7 and Bishop never has to break a sweat. Frustrating
RE: RE: the only positive  
MookGiants : 6/8/2015 10:31 pm : link
In comment 12319179 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 12319125 MookGiants said:


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I'd still rather Chicago win, but I have to admit it would really piss me off to see Crawford get his 2nd cup as starting goalie and 3rd overall. Something just doesn't seem right abotu that



No worse than Ben fucking Bishop winning one. Talk about a thoroughly mediocre goalie.


I could handle a goalie like him winning one. But not two or three like Crawford
and Tampa takes the lead  
MookGiants : 6/8/2015 10:52 pm : link
man, did we really blow a chance at a cup in games 5 and 7. Ugh.
Hedman is so good  
Kyle in NY : 6/8/2015 10:55 pm : link
.
Fuck this  
bigbluehoya : 6/8/2015 10:56 pm : link
.
...  
Route 9 in LEH : 6/8/2015 10:57 pm : link
Garbage. How many weeks until football?
...  
Route 9 in LEH : 6/8/2015 11:00 pm : link
Brian Boyle > You
This series is an embarrassment  
NYerInMA : 6/9/2015 9:32 am : link
from a goaltending perspective. Every goal I've seen on the highlights looks like it should've been stopped. It still sickens me that the Rangers couldn't get it going in Game 7.
Also  
NYerInMA : 6/9/2015 10:26 am : link
Here's a terrible study about hockey fans we can laugh at.
2015s Best & Worst Cities for Hockey Fans - ( New Window )
Hell of a young team  
MetsAreBack : 6/9/2015 1:40 pm : link
that's only going to get better as Drouin and some other kids develop.

But their ownership group is a complete embarrassment to the league, and does not deserve this success. What the hell does this guy being an Army officer have to do with anything? He can sell his tickets now, but an accountant making $150k a year and loyally supporting your team for years cannot similarly cash in at $2k/ticket??

They just make shit up as they go. It's nauseating.
TBL Ownership and Management - Losers to the Core - ( New Window )
......  
BrettNYG10 : 6/9/2015 1:44 pm : link
Good thing the Rangers have an honorable, thoughtful, totally-deserving-of-a-Cup, owner in Jim Dolan.
well apparently not  
MetsAreBack : 6/9/2015 4:03 pm : link
... considering Dolan took over the sports operations in 1999, he hasn't won dick.
I'm busting balls.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/9/2015 4:04 pm : link
I see your point.

I assume most owners are douches, though.

You know how rich people are...
Vag  
bigbluehoya : 6/10/2015 7:55 pm : link
Starting in net for TB.
TB is plain and simple  
bigbluehoya : 6/10/2015 8:32 pm : link
The better team. Much to my dismay.

Kane and Toews have been invisible
what a pass  
pjcas18 : 6/10/2015 9:38 pm : link
by Stamkos
I dont know why I so thoroghly dislike Tampa  
Deej : 6/10/2015 9:40 pm : link
but a lot of it is the smugness of Cooper.
RE: I dont know why I so thoroghly dislike Tampa  
Giants2012 : 6/10/2015 9:48 pm : link
In comment 12322902 Deej said:
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but a lot of it is the smugness of Cooper.


Imo, they are a tough team to dislike. The just hustle and play fast. They don't whine like Pitt, take runs like the Caps or dramatically dive like the Habs.

What a shame the Rangers had so many injuries. May have wrecked the Captain had the season continued.
RE: what a pass  
MookGiants : 6/10/2015 9:49 pm : link
In comment 12322899 pjcas18 said:
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by Stamkos


I think it was Filpulla who made the sick pass, Stamkos was sitting on his ass on a delayed penalty on the Blackhawks for taking him down
brutal  
MookGiants : 6/10/2015 10:25 pm : link
goal to give up for Tampa goalie, not even going to attempt to spell his name.
RE: RE: what a pass  
pjcas18 : 6/10/2015 10:29 pm : link
In comment 12322910 MookGiants said:
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by Stamkos



I think it was Filpulla who made the sick pass, Stamkos was sitting on his ass on a delayed penalty on the Blackhawks for taking him down


yep.
the number  
pjcas18 : 6/10/2015 10:31 pm : link
of broken sticks in an NHL game amazes me.
Stamkos  
MookGiants : 6/10/2015 10:46 pm : link
is having a rough series. Missed a wide open net.
Tampa  
MookGiants : 6/10/2015 10:48 pm : link
has to be a little sick that this series is 2-2. They've been the better team for about 80% of play.
good series  
pjcas18 : 6/10/2015 10:49 pm : link
still feel like it's lacking some bad blood.

need some face washes after the whistle in front of the net, cross checks, something to get this guys hating each other.

Corey Crawford  
pjcas18 : 6/10/2015 11:01 pm : link
is tough to figure out.

He lets in some softies and has bad games, but he was stellar tonight.

it's not like his offense is carrying them, and basically the Blackhawks have 3D.
An exciting series i guess  
MetsAreBack : 6/11/2015 8:49 am : link
but these late round matchups have really been tainted by all the injuries. Playoffs really are a war of attrition - it would just be more fun to have seen NYR, Tampa and Chicago at full strength, or anywhere close to it.
Off Topic but Arizona's lease agreement nixed  
MetsAreBack : 6/11/2015 9:21 am : link
hopefully this pushes back expansion plans as they may get relocated.

In the meantime, PLEASE move an East team out west. It pisses me off that you have a 50% chance in the East to make the playoffs vs 57% out West. Or if you cant do that, maybe do what the NBA is considering... top 16 teams make it regardless of geography.
RE: Off Topic but Arizona's lease agreement nixed  
pjcas18 : 6/11/2015 9:26 am : link
In comment 12323149 MetsAreBack said:
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hopefully this pushes back expansion plans as they may get relocated.

In the meantime, PLEASE move an East team out west. It pisses me off that you have a 50% chance in the East to make the playoffs vs 57% out West. Or if you cant do that, maybe do what the NBA is considering... top 16 teams make it regardless of geography.


agree. hate this.
I'd cut the regular season to 72 games  
BrettNYG10 : 6/11/2015 9:28 am : link
And cut a couple teams.

Neither will happen.
shorter seasons would help  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2015 9:29 am : link
But they'll never throw away the revenue
The unbalanced conferences  
Giants2012 : 6/11/2015 9:33 am : link
had no effect on the playoffs with, record wise, more teams with poor records in the East than West.

The best thing about the Coyotes  
pjcas18 : 6/11/2015 9:34 am : link
lease situation (even though I think they stay there) is it may mean a new "Bring back the Whale" campaign (that has no chance to succeed, but so what)

best logo and theme song in sports.


Brass Bonanza - ( New Window )
RE: The best thing about the Coyotes  
Giants2012 : 6/11/2015 9:38 am : link
In comment 12323173 pjcas18 said:
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lease situation (even though I think they stay there) is it may mean a new "Bring back the Whale" campaign (that has no chance to succeed, but so what)

best logo and theme song in sports.

Brass Bonanza - ( New Window )



lol - well, the problem is Hartford is pretty dead. CT screwed up the Insurance Capital of the World over two decades ago so corporate seating isn't going to be in demand.

Would be nice to see them but I just don't see Hartford supporting the team.

I am dying to see a team in Seattle  
Sonic Youth : 6/11/2015 9:47 am : link
I think it'd be awesome for the sport and embraced by the city. I don't understand why the NHL is so set on Vegas (okay, I do, it's the arena situation, but still, I prefer Seattle).
Ideally the league would settle at 28 or 32 teams  
NYerInMA : 6/11/2015 9:47 am : link
To keep things balanced. To get to 28 they could contract Arizona and Florida, but obviously the owners wouldn't like that. To get to 32 they could expand to Vegas and Seattle. The scheduling gets tricky though. Depending on how many games you want to play against division, conference non-division, and non-conference opponents, the schedule could be 76 or 84 games.
sucks though  
Giants2012 : 6/11/2015 9:48 am : link
the NHL was hot in the Northeast back then with Hartford and Quebec. Lost a lot of rivalries when those two teams left.

Boston vs Hartford and Montreal vs Quebec were the biggest while every other combination was certainly more interesting than these Florida Panthers and Carolina Hurricanes. Not that anybody appears to care in Phoenix about hockey.
RE: The unbalanced conferences  
MetsAreBack : 6/11/2015 9:48 am : link
In comment 12323171 Giants2012 said:
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had no effect on the playoffs with, record wise, more teams with poor records in the East than West.



You are looking to the past. You can't be arguing with a straight face that its no easier to make the playoffs with 13 competitors than with 15 vying for 8 finite slots.
RE: I am dying to see a team in Seattle  
Giants2012 : 6/11/2015 9:49 am : link
That's not a bad idea.
the hell with Seattle  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2015 9:51 am : link
The NHL wants no part of that communist city.
RE: RE: The unbalanced conferences  
Giants2012 : 6/11/2015 9:51 am : link
In comment 12323202 MetsAreBack said:
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had no effect on the playoffs with, record wise, more teams with poor records in the East than West.



ou are looking to the past. You can't be arguing with a straight face that its no easier to make the playoffs with 13 competitors than with 15 vying for 8 finite slots.


Just stop already. You obviously can't tell the better teams in the basement are from the West whereas there are more doormats in the East. You're just doing division for odds and ignoring the rosters.
RE: I am dying to see a team in Seattle  
MetsAreBack : 6/11/2015 9:54 am : link
In comment 12323198 Sonic Youth said:
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I think it'd be awesome for the sport and embraced by the city. I don't understand why the NHL is so set on Vegas (okay, I do, it's the arena situation, but still, I prefer Seattle).



Agree on Seattle, is part of the issue that Vancouver can block it? They are 90 minutes i think apart?

Kansas City / Oklahoma City i think would also embrace the sport. I still wonder why they chose Colombus over Cleveland or Cincy.

30 teams is perfectly fine by the way... having divisions of 7 and 8 isnt a big deal as long as you have sufficient wild cards.

Personally - just admit the Miami market doesnt work already, move them to Seattle or OKC/KC... and move on.

Longer term i dont see NJ making it by the way with NYI in Brooklyn. 4 NHL teams within 90 minutes of each other... something's eventually got to give. Move NJ back to Hartford??
RE: RE: RE: The unbalanced conferences  
MetsAreBack : 6/11/2015 9:55 am : link
In comment 12323207 Giants2012 said:
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Just stop already. You obviously can't tell the better teams in the basement are from the West whereas there are more doormats in the East. You're just doing division for odds and ignoring the rosters.



LOL. You really are incredible. Yes looking to the future and noting that 50% odds of making the playoffs are tougher than 57% is "ignoring rosters"

And forgot how awesome Edmonton and Arizona are.

Sorry forgot -- Ignore the troll.
RE: sucks though  
pjcas18 : 6/11/2015 9:56 am : link
In comment 12323201 Giants2012 said:
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the NHL was hot in the Northeast back then with Hartford and Quebec. Lost a lot of rivalries when those two teams left.

Boston vs Hartford and Montreal vs Quebec were the biggest while every other combination was certainly more interesting than these Florida Panthers and Carolina Hurricanes. Not that anybody appears to care in Phoenix about hockey.


I'm a Canadiens fan, but one of the best hockey game I've been to was game 6 Adams Division Semis Whalers vs. Bruins in the mall. Whalers won in OT to force game 7 back in Boston.

the Whalers team was so stacked. Ron Francis, Kevin Dineen, Pat Verbeek, Ray Ferraro, Ulf Samuelsson, and the B's had the star power with Bourque, Neely, just a classic playoff game. Plus they had to stop the game several times because of all the fights in the stands.

I grew up in CT, and I used to go to Whalers games if i got free tickets, it was a fun atmosphere, but yeah, no way that city can support a team at this point.
they also had awesome jerseys  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2015 10:00 am : link
RE: The unbalanced conferences  
Sonic Youth : 6/11/2015 10:02 am : link
In comment 12323171 Giants2012 said:
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had no effect on the playoffs with, record wise, more teams with poor records in the East than West.

Correct me if I'm mistaken but the East was significantly stronger than the West this year.
I actually went to the NHL Draft  
pjcas18 : 6/11/2015 10:04 am : link
when it was in Hartford (last ditch effort to keep the team/generate interest(?), maybe in 1994 or 1995?)

and I met Chris Pronger (along with other players), dude seemed like 7 feet tall.

Also got to see the Stanley cup up close.

otherwise it was hands down the most boring experience in my entire life, and I've sat through some boring shit.

RE: RE: RE: RE: The unbalanced conferences  
Giants2012 : 6/11/2015 10:04 am : link
In comment 12323214 MetsAreBack said:
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Just stop already. You obviously can't tell the better teams in the basement are from the West whereas there are more doormats in the East. You're just doing division for odds and ignoring the rosters.




LOL. You really are incredible. Yes looking to the future and noting that 50% odds of making the playoffs are tougher than 57% is "ignoring rosters"

And forgot how awesome Edmonton and Arizona are.

Sorry forgot -- Ignore the troll.


You're so clueless. It's funny how the dumbest people like yourself accuse others of trolling b/c they can't think. Look past the simple odds you moron. San Jose's roster is better many teams and they wouldn't have finished 3rd worst in the East while they were ranked 3rd worst in the West. Ignore yourself b/c your brain doesn't work.
Portland  
NYerInMA : 6/11/2015 10:06 am : link
and KC would also be good choices for an Arizona relocation. As long as they stay in the West, they should be fine pending expansion.
RE: RE: sucks though  
Giants2012 : 6/11/2015 10:08 am : link
In comment 12323216 pjcas18 said:
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the NHL was hot in the Northeast back then with Hartford and Quebec. Lost a lot of rivalries when those two teams left.

Boston vs Hartford and Montreal vs Quebec were the biggest while every other combination was certainly more interesting than these Florida Panthers and Carolina Hurricanes. Not that anybody appears to care in Phoenix about hockey.



I'm a Canadiens fan, but one of the best hockey game I've been to was game 6 Adams Division Semis Whalers vs. Bruins in the mall. Whalers won in OT to force game 7 back in Boston.

the Whalers team was so stacked. Ron Francis, Kevin Dineen, Pat Verbeek, Ray Ferraro, Ulf Samuelsson, and the B's had the star power with Bourque, Neely, just a classic playoff game. Plus they had to stop the game several times because of all the fights in the stands.

I grew up in CT, and I used to go to Whalers games if i got free tickets, it was a fun atmosphere, but yeah, no way that city can support a team at this point.


That was a great series. Good stuff.

Was at the 1986 playoff game when Dineen scored in OT against the Habs. They had a great run. I remember the following year the Whale was stacked with many of the players you mentioned. They poised for a great run until they met Quebec who turned the series into an absolute hockey war and paid the Whale back for the previous year.

Of course, those Whalers came back to haunt us when the Penguins took Francis and Ulfie and beat the 92 Rangers. UGH

Great rivalries back then though.

RE: Portland  
Giants2012 : 6/11/2015 10:26 am : link
In comment 12323229 NYerInMA said:
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and KC would also be good choices for an Arizona relocation. As long as they stay in the West, they should be fine pending expansion.


Never thought about Portland. You could right about Portland and KC. Some of these cities are hot. Just look at Nashville. I believe UBS is moving a huge portion there along with many companies due to the tax structure. Meanwhile in Florida & Carolina, the game is an afterthought.
RE: RE: Portland  
NYerInMA : 6/11/2015 10:29 am : link
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and KC would also be good choices for an Arizona relocation. As long as they stay in the West, they should be fine pending expansion.



Never thought about Portland. You could right about Portland and KC. Some of these cities are hot. Just look at Nashville. I believe UBS is moving a huge portion there along with many companies due to the tax structure. Meanwhile in Florida & Carolina, the game is an afterthought.


I've always thought that the Hurricanes draw well in Raleigh. The Triangle is a very hot area, and the Canes have done pretty well since they moved, though the last few years have been tough on the ice.
The Lightning  
pjcas18 : 6/11/2015 10:38 am : link
sold 98% capacity, but they have a big building.

They drew more fans in number than the Penguins, Rangers, Bruins, etc.

granted much of that is explained by capacity differences, but it's a little more than an afterthought.

Panthers, Hurricanes, Coyotes, even Columbus - all bad marketing decisions IMO


RE: RE: RE: Portland  
Giants2012 : 6/11/2015 10:41 am : link
In comment 12323270 NYerInMA said:
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I've always thought that the Hurricanes draw well in Raleigh. The Triangle is a very hot area, and the Canes have done pretty well since they moved, though the last few years have been tough on the ice.


I believe there attendance was among the lowest in the league. I agree, the triangle is hot with corporations popping up everywhere yet it appears to work for football and basketball while the hockey is kinda like Atlanta. They go if the team is really good yet ignore them otherwise.
RE: The Lightning  
NYerInMA : 6/11/2015 10:42 am : link
In comment 12323283 pjcas18 said:
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sold 98% capacity, but they have a big building.

They drew more fans in number than the Penguins, Rangers, Bruins, etc.

granted much of that is explained by capacity differences, but it's a little more than an afterthought.

Panthers, Hurricanes, Coyotes, even Columbus - all bad marketing decisions IMO



Like Raleigh, I've heard Columbus is actually a pretty good hockey market. The Jackets obviously have issues on the ice (still haven't won a playoff series in ~14 seasons), but I haven't heard anything bad about their finances or lack of support.
RE: RE: The Lightning  
pjcas18 : 6/11/2015 10:46 am : link
In comment 12323291 NYerInMA said:
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sold 98% capacity, but they have a big building.

They drew more fans in number than the Penguins, Rangers, Bruins, etc.

granted much of that is explained by capacity differences, but it's a little more than an afterthought.

Panthers, Hurricanes, Coyotes, even Columbus - all bad marketing decisions IMO





Like Raleigh, I've heard Columbus is actually a pretty good hockey market. The Jackets obviously have issues on the ice (still haven't won a playoff series in ~14 seasons), but I haven't heard anything bad about their finances or lack of support.


from a capacity standpoint Columbus filled 85% of their building. that's relocation bad.

only teams selling less tickets (as a percent of their capacity) were the Coyotes, Panthers, and Hurricanes.

and the Bluejackets were a borderline playoff contender.


RE: The Lightning  
Giants2012 : 6/11/2015 10:48 am : link
In comment 12323283 pjcas18 said:
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sold 98% capacity, but they have a big building.

They drew more fans in number than the Penguins, Rangers, Bruins, etc.

granted much of that is explained by capacity differences, but it's a little more than an afterthought.

Panthers, Hurricanes, Coyotes, even Columbus - all bad marketing decisions IMO



Tampa is a strange town. It's a growing city and then it's like somebody pulls the plug for the weekend and whole place I quiet. They embrace a team as quickly as they drop it. too. I remember the Bucs went from a "walk up to the gate for a ticket" to a 25 year waiting list with no tickets available and now back to get any ticket you want.



My assumption  
pjcas18 : 6/11/2015 10:59 am : link
was the Lightning should be relocated until I looked into it.

maybe it's the on-ice success and they are a fair weather fan base, but right now they draw well.

after a couple years of sucking maybe things will change, but unless they royally mess this up, they have a 5 year window (with or without Stamkos) they should be contenders.
RE: RE: I am dying to see a team in Seattle  
Sonic Youth : 6/11/2015 11:46 am : link
In comment 12323211 MetsAreBack said:
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I think it'd be awesome for the sport and embraced by the city. I don't understand why the NHL is so set on Vegas (okay, I do, it's the arena situation, but still, I prefer Seattle).




Agree on Seattle, is part of the issue that Vancouver can block it? They are 90 minutes i think apart?

Kansas City / Oklahoma City i think would also embrace the sport. I still wonder why they chose Colombus over Cleveland or Cincy.

30 teams is perfectly fine by the way... having divisions of 7 and 8 isnt a big deal as long as you have sufficient wild cards.

Personally - just admit the Miami market doesnt work already, move them to Seattle or OKC/KC... and move on.

Longer term i dont see NJ making it by the way with NYI in Brooklyn. 4 NHL teams within 90 minutes of each other... something's eventually got to give. Move NJ back to Hartford??

NJ can support a team better than Hartford can. The issue with the Devils is just building that fan loyalty.

However, as someone who grew up in central NJ, went to Rutgers, lives in Jersey City and works in Manhattan, before this season I have never once ever seen an Islanders fan anywhere outside of Manhattan - but I know a ton of Devils fans.

Hypothetically, I wonder if the Devils would fare better by being farther south in the state.
RE: RE: RE: I am dying to see a team in Seattle  
NYerInMA : 6/11/2015 12:15 pm : link
In comment 12323451 Sonic Youth said:
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I think it'd be awesome for the sport and embraced by the city. I don't understand why the NHL is so set on Vegas (okay, I do, it's the arena situation, but still, I prefer Seattle).




Agree on Seattle, is part of the issue that Vancouver can block it? They are 90 minutes i think apart?

Kansas City / Oklahoma City i think would also embrace the sport. I still wonder why they chose Colombus over Cleveland or Cincy.

30 teams is perfectly fine by the way... having divisions of 7 and 8 isnt a big deal as long as you have sufficient wild cards.

Personally - just admit the Miami market doesnt work already, move them to Seattle or OKC/KC... and move on.

Longer term i dont see NJ making it by the way with NYI in Brooklyn. 4 NHL teams within 90 minutes of each other... something's eventually got to give. Move NJ back to Hartford??


NJ can support a team better than Hartford can. The issue with the Devils is just building that fan loyalty.

However, as someone who grew up in central NJ, went to Rutgers, lives in Jersey City and works in Manhattan, before this season I have never once ever seen an Islanders fan anywhere outside of Manhattan - but I know a ton of Devils fans.

Hypothetically, I wonder if the Devils would fare better by being farther south in the state.


Wouldn't that put them too close to the Flyers' market?
RE: My assumption  
BrettNYG10 : 6/11/2015 12:22 pm : link
In comment 12323323 pjcas18 said:
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was the Lightning should be relocated until I looked into it.

maybe it's the on-ice success and they are a fair weather fan base, but right now they draw well.

after a couple years of sucking maybe things will change, but unless they royally mess this up, they have a 5 year window (with or without Stamkos) they should be contenders.


I used to go to a game or two a year from ~2006-2012 and the crowds were always very impressive.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I am dying to see a team in Seattle  
Sonic Youth : 6/11/2015 12:38 pm : link
In comment 12323511 NYerInMA said:
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I think it'd be awesome for the sport and embraced by the city. I don't understand why the NHL is so set on Vegas (okay, I do, it's the arena situation, but still, I prefer Seattle).




Agree on Seattle, is part of the issue that Vancouver can block it? They are 90 minutes i think apart?

Kansas City / Oklahoma City i think would also embrace the sport. I still wonder why they chose Colombus over Cleveland or Cincy.

30 teams is perfectly fine by the way... having divisions of 7 and 8 isnt a big deal as long as you have sufficient wild cards.

Personally - just admit the Miami market doesnt work already, move them to Seattle or OKC/KC... and move on.

Longer term i dont see NJ making it by the way with NYI in Brooklyn. 4 NHL teams within 90 minutes of each other... something's eventually got to give. Move NJ back to Hartford??


NJ can support a team better than Hartford can. The issue with the Devils is just building that fan loyalty.

However, as someone who grew up in central NJ, went to Rutgers, lives in Jersey City and works in Manhattan, before this season I have never once ever seen an Islanders fan anywhere outside of Manhattan - but I know a ton of Devils fans.

Hypothetically, I wonder if the Devils would fare better by being farther south in the state.



Wouldn't that put them too close to the Flyers' market?

I don't really think so. Central NJ is pretty much the heart of Devils territory. Where they are located now is primarily Rangers fans. You don't start getting Flyers fans until way farther south, south of roughly LBI.
Nope  
Route 9 in LEH : 6/11/2015 1:55 pm : link
Nothing Flyers here south of LBI. They all must have been scared away or they were just on the bandwagon when they were in the SCF in 2010.
lol Ben Bishop  
spike : 6/14/2015 9:11 am : link
he sure is not the King.
Bishop played fine last night  
MetsAreBack : 6/14/2015 9:25 am : link
not sure i'd put that first goal on him, Hedman equally at fault there too, no?

Pretty tough break to benefit from an atrocious goalie mistake, miss on the point blank chance anyway, then get tripped into the iron post and miss the last 55 minutes of the game with concussion i'm assuming. (yet again i have to wonder why the NHL takes player safety so casually... unpadded iron in the middle of play??)

TBL now 6-7 at home this postseason. Good thing they instituted all those restrictive resale rules... Hawks dominated most of the TV sightline seats last night anyway.
Chicago Anthem  
Giants2012 : 6/15/2015 8:20 pm : link
As good as it gets in any sport.
Is this garbage still going on?  
B in ALB : 6/15/2015 8:54 pm : link
Fuckin boring nonsense.
other than the weird goalie  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2015 9:03 pm : link
miscues it's been a very good series.

the one thing missing, as I've said a few times is the bad blood. it seems severely lacking.

no face washes in front of the net scrums, not the usual pushing and shoving and while there is some good hitting, not like we've seen early in the playoffs.

I'm not an advocate of cheap shots by any stretch, but I do like rough/edgy play
what a save  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2015 9:16 pm : link
by Crawford.

Stamkos is absolutely snakebit
Crawford has played really well  
Essex : 6/15/2015 9:17 pm : link
He lot up a soft goal in games 2 and 3, but he really has shined during this series. Surprising
Big time save by Crawford...  
trueblueinpw : 6/15/2015 9:18 pm : link
On Stamkos
Stamkos  
MookGiants : 6/15/2015 9:19 pm : link
just shot that one with two hands around his throat. He had Crawford dead and with all the time in the world somehow could not elevate the puck.

Crawford didn't have to do anything, he shot it right into his pad. Any elevation and the puck is in
I don't look at it  
MookGiants : 6/15/2015 9:21 pm : link
as snakebit for Stamkos on that one specifically when he fucked it up. That's not a "tip your cap great save" or bad luck like going off the post. That's just a gag job. Crawford got fooled, badly. And Stamkos fucked it up.
RE: I don't look at it  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2015 9:24 pm : link
In comment 12329207 MookGiants said:
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as snakebit for Stamkos on that one specifically when he fucked it up. That's not a "tip your cap great save" or bad luck like going off the post. That's just a gag job. Crawford got fooled, badly. And Stamkos fucked it up.


yeah, on replay it was more obvious real time I couldn't see how Stamkos didn't score, I just mean snakebit because he can't score and it's not for lack of chances, he's missing goals he normally scores on. It's in his head, that's what I mean by snakebit.
fair enough  
MookGiants : 6/15/2015 9:25 pm : link
definitely seemed snakebit on the first one, because that was a near perfect shot that went off the post.
You have to be shitting me  
bigbluehoya : 6/15/2015 9:28 pm : link
That Stamkos doesn't go to the box for that
and people aren't mentioning it as much  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2015 9:29 pm : link
at least I don't hear it but Kane looks pretty bad this series.

and he hasn't scored either I don't think.
If Tampa Bay loses  
MookGiants : 6/15/2015 9:30 pm : link
this series they are going to look back and wonder how the fuck they blew it
The only game where Chicago was clearly the better team  
Essex : 6/15/2015 9:32 pm : link
Was game 5, and yet they are so close to the cup.
wow  
Sonic Youth : 6/15/2015 9:47 pm : link
waht a huge rebound left by bishop there
Paquette was more to blame  
Essex : 6/15/2015 9:48 pm : link
He just let Keith get around him and follow up that shot
RE: The only game where Chicago was clearly the better team  
MookGiants : 6/15/2015 9:49 pm : link
In comment 12329229 Essex said:
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Was game 5, and yet they are so close to the cup.


Yep, and even that game Chicago got 1 flukey goal and the other one was kind of flukey too.

The Hawks have been insanely opportunistic.
Keith is such an animal  
bigbluehoya : 6/15/2015 9:50 pm : link
.
I also think  
MookGiants : 6/15/2015 9:50 pm : link
you're going to hear about Johnson having some major injury issue sustained late in the Rangers series, because he has been a non-factor for a while now.
Keith  
MookGiants : 6/15/2015 9:53 pm : link
has to win the Conn Smythe, right?
RE: Keith  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2015 9:57 pm : link
In comment 12329266 MookGiants said:
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has to win the Conn Smythe, right?


I think so, he's playing 30 min per game and he's leading the playoffs in plus/minus and near the top in points.
Whenever I see a block of yellow quoted text  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/15/2015 9:59 pm : link
that takes up my entire monitor, I know it's Sonic Youth.
RE: I also think  
Greg from LI : 6/15/2015 10:00 pm : link
In comment 12329263 MookGiants said:
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you're going to hear about Johnson having some major injury issue sustained late in the Rangers series, because he has been a non-factor for a while now.


I'll laugh my ass off at that, given all the tut-tutting at the Tampa SB Nation page after the Rangers' injuries were revealed.
I've found this series very entertaining  
JayBinQueens : 6/15/2015 10:05 pm : link
A lot of spurts of non-stop back and forth (even though the goals haven't always been there).
Games have always been within 1.

Definitely think Tampa is the better team, but Chicago's proving that means nothing and you need to play the series to earn the championship.
Stralman looking like MSL on that tap in  
schabadoo : 6/15/2015 10:06 pm : link
Was it tipped first?
Brad Richards making plays....  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/15/2015 10:40 pm : link
the final kick in the nuts.
that will  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2015 10:40 pm : link
probably do it
F'ing Richards  
Giants2012 : 6/15/2015 10:40 pm : link
To Kane
Richards  
schabadoo : 6/15/2015 10:40 pm : link
Nice pass.
that's game  
MookGiants : 6/15/2015 10:40 pm : link
Bishop can't move, not that he would have stopped it if he could, but he just can't move at all. Amazing the Rangers never made him move in games 5 or 7
That was a great pass by Richards.  
Mad Mike : 6/15/2015 10:41 pm : link
*
Easy pass  
Giants2012 : 6/15/2015 10:44 pm : link
Nash would have missed the net
wait  
MookGiants : 6/15/2015 10:44 pm : link
the cup isn't in the building yet? Seriously?

Why would they not get it there yesterday?
there was zero  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2015 10:45 pm : link
Bishop was going to do on that goal, he played shot which is the right thing to do, Richards made a great pass there.

the worst  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2015 10:46 pm : link
thing Chicago could do is take a penalty
This is gonna be us next year, fellas  
Anakim : 6/15/2015 10:46 pm : link
The Cup will be ours next year. I really feel it in my bones. This is quite possibly Sather's last hurrah. He'll make this offseason count.
Now that is a  
batman11 : 6/15/2015 10:46 pm : link
stupid penalty!!
what a save by crawford  
Sonic Youth : 6/15/2015 10:46 pm : link
awesome.

tampa needs to pull bishop ASAP here
RE: I don't look at it  
trueblueinpw : 6/15/2015 10:53 pm : link
In comment 12329207 MookGiants said:
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as snakebit for Stamkos on that one specifically when he fucked it up. That's not a "tip your cap great save" or bad luck like going off the post. That's just a gag job. Crawford got fooled, badly. And Stamkos fucked it up.


Fooled? Crawford was beat in close but he wasn't fooled about where the puck was going. And Stamkos didn't roof the puck b/c he was in too close and Crawford's pad was right where it had to be to block the shot. Game six of the Cup with the score at zero zero, at home and Stamkos on a break away - that's the definition of a big time save.
Man, I really want a Stanley Cup  
Anakim : 6/15/2015 10:54 pm : link
Next year will be our year. I know it. Keep your heads up, fellas
Hawks win the Cup.  
NYerInMA : 6/15/2015 10:56 pm : link
Eat shit Tampa!
are they really  
MookGiants : 6/15/2015 11:02 pm : link
delaying because the cup isn't there? Only the NHL could fuck this up
RE: RE: I don't look at it  
MookGiants : 6/15/2015 11:04 pm : link
In comment 12329374 trueblueinpw said:
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as snakebit for Stamkos on that one specifically when he fucked it up. That's not a "tip your cap great save" or bad luck like going off the post. That's just a gag job. Crawford got fooled, badly. And Stamkos fucked it up.



Fooled? Crawford was beat in close but he wasn't fooled about where the puck was going. And Stamkos didn't roof the puck b/c he was in too close and Crawford's pad was right where it had to be to block the shot. Game six of the Cup with the score at zero zero, at home and Stamkos on a break away - that's the definition of a big time save.


Stamkos had plenty of time to roof it, and he was far enough back to be able to do it. Not easy but with that amount of time he should have been able to get it done.

And yes Crawford was fooled. He committed before Stamkos did and was bailed out by a gag job by Stamkos. Shooting the puck directly into the guys pad when you have plenty of time and basically standing still is not a great save, it's a choke job.
RE: are they really  
arcarsenal : 6/15/2015 11:04 pm : link
In comment 12329385 MookGiants said:
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delaying because the cup isn't there? Only the NHL could fuck this up


It's a trial run they're doing for the NFL.
it's deeply satisfying to see Jon Cooper lose  
Greg from LI : 6/15/2015 11:06 pm : link
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the cup  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2015 11:07 pm : link
is there. they just showed it.
Always good to hear Bettman get booed.  
Mad Mike : 6/15/2015 11:08 pm : link
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RE: RE: are they really  
Giants2012 : 6/15/2015 11:09 pm : link
In comment 12329387 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 12329385 MookGiants said:


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delaying because the cup isn't there? Only the NHL could fuck this up



It's a trial run they're doing for the NFL.


Don't let the flying puck hit in the mouth punk lol
fuck Blackhawk fans  
MookGiants : 6/15/2015 11:10 pm : link
simply because most of them are probably Bulls fans and Bulls fans are mouth breathers
This would have stung a lot more if TB had won..  
arcarsenal : 6/15/2015 11:13 pm : link
I can deal with Richie winning.. he already has one anyway. Seeing Callahan, Stralman and Boyle all raise the Cup just would have hurt more.
Agree  
Deej : 6/15/2015 11:14 pm : link
glad Cooper didnt win a cup
RE: RE: RE: I don't look at it  
trueblueinpw : 6/15/2015 11:15 pm : link
In comment 12329386 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12329374 trueblueinpw said:


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And yes Crawford was fooled. He committed before Stamkos did and was bailed out by a gag job by Stamkos. Shooting the puck directly into the guys pad when you have plenty of time and basically standing still is not a great save, it's a choke job.


You're watching the break away at 19:00 of the 2nd period? Because on my TV, Crawford is playing that breakaway text book. And every time I rewind to watch it again, he's still playing it text book. How could Crawford have possibly played that any better?
Since I'm 7 years old  
MookGiants : 6/15/2015 11:17 pm : link
I have only missed 1 cup presentation and celebration, last year. As soon as that puck hit the back of the net I turned off my tv. Still havent seen 1 second of the aftermath, and have no desire to ever see it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I don't look at it  
MookGiants : 6/15/2015 11:19 pm : link
In comment 12329409 trueblueinpw said:
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In comment 12329374 trueblueinpw said:


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And yes Crawford was fooled. He committed before Stamkos did and was bailed out by a gag job by Stamkos. Shooting the puck directly into the guys pad when you have plenty of time and basically standing still is not a great save, it's a choke job.



You're watching the break away at 19:00 of the 2nd period? Because on my TV, Crawford is playing that breakaway text book. And every time I rewind to watch it again, he's still playing it text book. How could Crawford have possibly played that any better?


Fooled is probably a little strong, he played it the way he should have, but Stamkos had plenty of time and didn't commit when Crawford thought he would. Stamkos had zero excuse to not put that puck in the back of the net besides just blowing it. He was almost stationary, and he got the puck settled. If you have the goalie down like that and you have the time and space, it has to be in the net. I'm sure he would agree when he sees the replay.
We're gonna beat them next year  
Anakim : 6/15/2015 11:20 pm : link
Tampa Bay, that is. Fuck them. We're gonna reload this year and kick some serious ass next year in the playoffs. Next year will definitely be our year. I really feel it in my bones.
You should say that a few more times tonight  
MookGiants : 6/15/2015 11:21 pm : link
I don't think we quite understood the other times you posted it.
Just glad it's not tampa  
Kyle in NY : 6/15/2015 11:22 pm : link
That would have hurt
It was funnier when Crosby went into hiding  
Giants2012 : 6/15/2015 11:24 pm : link
but still a good laugh

Tampa  
MookGiants : 6/15/2015 11:26 pm : link
Chicago, whoever. It hurts just the same for me. I think we would have beat this Chicago team, and I'll always believe that. But we fucked it all up on our home ice and only have ourselves to blame.
I don't know if we would have with Mac, G and Staal all hurt like that  
arcarsenal : 6/15/2015 11:34 pm : link
Who knows if Zuccarello ever would have played. Really unfortunate that we had so many key guys playing with significant injuries.. seemed like it was our year if not for that. But that's hockey and shit happens. Hope for another run next year.
Bishop had a torn  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2015 11:36 pm : link
groin. I liked it when he had the shits better.
RE: You should say that a few more times tonight  
Anakim : 6/15/2015 11:37 pm : link
In comment 12329417 MookGiants said:
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I don't think we quite understood the other times you posted it.


Next year is our year. I can feel it in my bones. Just believe it and it will happen.
RE: Bishop had a torn  
MetsAreBack : 6/15/2015 11:42 pm : link
In comment 12329442 pjcas18 said:
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groin. I liked it when he had the shits better.



And I'm sure he had that against NYR in games 4-7. I know we had guys hurt too... but there's a lot of forwards on the Blueshirts roster that should be ashamed of themselves right now. Shutout twice by a young kid with a torn groin on home ice in the ECF. Fuck.
Zuccs never would have played in the Finals  
MetsAreBack : 6/15/2015 11:44 pm : link
AV had him out there for inspiration or whatever. They never would have cleared him.

Let's just hope he's back in Fall 2015. I don't even give a shit if he's out there in October ... just ease him back.
.  
Anakim : 6/15/2015 11:50 pm : link
Joe Smith ‏@TBTimes_JSmith 1m1 minute ago
#TBLightning Tyler Johnson said he played with a broken right wrist. Suffered early in this series.
and there it is  
MookGiants : 6/15/2015 11:53 pm : link
called that one earlier in this thread, although I thought he had an issue late in the series against us, because he did nothing late in that series too
Fuck the Bolts.  
Ash_3 : 6/16/2015 12:01 am : link
Excellent result.
NHL draft  
Giants2012 : 6/16/2015 12:06 am : link
10 days away

This league just keeps moving along
Anak predicting the Rangers to win the Cup next year  
BrettNYG10 : 6/16/2015 7:45 am : link
Makes me positive the Rangers are missing the playoffs.
RE: Anak predicting the Rangers to win the Cup next year  
Anakim : 6/16/2015 9:05 am : link
In comment 12329525 BrettNYG10 said:
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Makes me positive the Rangers are missing the playoffs.


#reversejinx
RE: Anak predicting the Rangers to win the Cup next year  
Greg from LI : 6/16/2015 9:14 am : link
In comment 12329525 BrettNYG10 said:
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Makes me positive the Rangers are missing the playoffs.

Missing the playoffs? We'll be lucky if Lundqvist doesn't blow out his Achilles.
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