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The top draft guides are higher on Andrus Peat than BBI

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/15/2015 5:56 pm
Ourlads and Nawrocki and Russ Lande are all very high on Andrus Peat.

Not saying they are right or wrong, but there seems to be a lot of anti-Peat sentiment on BBI and I'm not sure where it is coming from.
His tape and the Combine, Eric.  
CBSGameFace : 4/15/2015 5:59 pm : link
How can he be so out of shape at that age?

Poor genetics, perhaps? But I saw that someone posted he was working out as hard as he ever had in his life. That does not bode well for his future success.

I'm not comparing him to Johnathan Martin as they are two different cases all together. The GMen can't afford a project with this pick. He seems like a project, to me.
I'd take Collins or Scherff over him, but WTF do I know?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/15/2015 6:05 pm : link
I would've been happy with Eli, Larry Fitzgerald, or ROBERT GALLERY.
If it's OL  
OC2.0 : 4/15/2015 6:09 pm : link
Then Collins has got to be 1st choice. His versatility & hostile intent trumps everybody else, imo.
The problem with Peat is his inconsistency  
robbieballs2003 : 4/15/2015 6:09 pm : link
If he continued to develop instead of getting worse in college and he reached his potential then I'm pretty confident we would all welcome him with open arms.

The problem is he has too many issues which scare most of us off.
RE: I'd take Collins or Scherff over him, but WTF do I know?  
CBSGameFace : 4/15/2015 6:10 pm : link
In comment 12234744 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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I would've been happy with Eli, Larry Fitzgerald, or ROBERT GALLERY.


Funny you mention Gallery. I think the Iowa lineman have been vastly overrated for some time with a couple of exceptions. Bulaga, in particular, has been good. Not great.
RE: If it's OL  
CBSGameFace : 4/15/2015 6:11 pm : link
In comment 12234751 OC2.0 said:
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Then Collins has got to be 1st choice. His versatility & hostile intent trumps everybody else, imo.


Yup. And he played against better talent in the SEC.
If Peat is there we are taking him.  
Dry Lightning : 4/15/2015 6:16 pm : link
There is not a lot of film on Peat like there is other prospects. Obviously it exists, just not a lot on youtube or draft sites. What I have seen shows no flaws, though. I keep hearing about him having inconsistencies but I have seen none. Looks like an absolute beast to me.
Fat guys can't play football!  
TC : 4/15/2015 6:16 pm : link
They don't look pretty!
RE: RE: If it's OL  
OC2.0 : 4/15/2015 6:16 pm : link
In comment 12234755 CBSGameFace said:
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In comment 12234751 OC2.0 said:


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Then Collins has got to be 1st choice. His versatility & hostile intent trumps everybody else, imo.



Yup. And he played against better talent in the SEC.


Exactly.
Peat  
Dragon : 4/15/2015 6:17 pm : link
If taken becomes a double edged sword for this team he is the starting RT immediately. He also becomes the next LT for the Giants whenever Beatty cant hold onto his starting spot. He also puts Pugh in a fight for an OG position on this team something most of us hope he be a better OG than RT.

Peat is not a perfect prospect but they never are but in all the areas this team is looking for he meets or exceeds them. He has great upside, ability to start from day one, excellent size with a body that carry additional weight, he is not a finished product but he is not very far away from being one and youth a very important requirement.

I'm still a big Parker fan but from a team need stand point and talent level he would be an excellent choice at #9.
No  
AcidTest : 4/15/2015 6:18 pm : link
player is perfect, including Peat. He's on the ground too much, and Nate Orchard really owned him. But he has great feet and length. We're also at the point in the offseason where every player is being endlessly scrutinized for any flaw. Peat would be a fine pick.
RE: If it's OL  
drkenneth : 4/15/2015 6:20 pm : link
In comment 12234751 OC2.0 said:
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Then Collins has got to be 1st choice. His versatility & hostile intent trumps everybody else, imo.


Agree 100% here. He looks like the "surest" and most polished to me, I think at worst he's a stud G. He's got the size (6'5 320). Would be a great RT, and maybe (just maybe) they think he can play LT.

I'd rather take him at #9 than Peat/Scherff/Flowers. He seems like a very Giant-like pick.
But, Peats size (6'7)...  
drkenneth : 4/15/2015 6:22 pm : link
We were rumored to like Nate Solder...Can't find many guys that big.
I think  
Bluesbreaker : 4/15/2015 6:24 pm : link
Many here make too much out of his body type
he is rated that high for nothing . Iv'e have
been surprised at quite a few people that didn't
look like athletes but were a lot better than
one would judged .
Also there is a huge split in opinion of taking
a Lineman or one of the top 3 Wr's .
If Peat is there  
Sec 103 : 4/15/2015 6:25 pm : link
he will be the choice....
If NYG wants a LT  
JonC : 4/15/2015 6:46 pm : link
Peat will be the pick.
If We Draft Peat  
Trainmaster : 4/15/2015 6:46 pm : link
I hope he grows into the role and doesn't gather moss on the bench.

Collins is probably an OG in the NFL  
JonC : 4/15/2015 6:49 pm : link
can get one of those later.

Premium positions in premium rounds.
The Folks On BBI Have Scared Me  
Trainmaster : 4/15/2015 7:14 pm : link
away from all the potential top 10 OL guys and all the potential top 10 DE/OLB guys.

It sounds like there is less downside risk of a bust among the Cooper, White and maybe even Parker.

If a good OL or 4-3 DE prospect is almost as assured in the second round, I'm thinking WR at #9 might be the best option.
Eric, Did Lande send you a PDF? I just ordered it through paypal  
TheMick7 : 4/15/2015 7:17 pm : link
& I got sent back to a website that has nothing on it!
CBSGameFace  
prdave73 : 4/15/2015 7:26 pm : link
What he said.. I think he pretty much hit it on the nail. Giants basically cannot fail with the 1st rd pick and honestly the rest of the draft this year. They have to many holes to fill and cant take a gamble on a kid will probably take awhile to develop?! They need a good draft and guys that come in and contribute right away. Eli must be protected this year and that's another reason I'm all for the Giants going after am offensive linemen in the 1st rd. If not it better be an outstanding defensive player..
Prdave.....  
CBSGameFace : 4/15/2015 7:38 pm : link
Don't agree with me, brother. Save yourself.

The masses here will have you banned. Whether you are 100% right or not.

😛
TheMick7  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/15/2015 7:40 pm : link
No, Lande didn't do this one this year, but he's been doing podcasts...follow his twitter account.
there is no fat  
bc4life : 4/15/2015 7:46 pm : link
in Peat's butt or thighs - he's just a big boy. small belly, which most of the big guys have and big, uncut arms. it's football not bodybuilding (no offense natefit)
Peat couldn't hack the Combine  
ij_reilly : 4/15/2015 8:32 pm : link
He physically failed at the combine.

By the time Peat is able to physically compete in the NFL (assuming that happens, which it might not), he will be halfway through his rookie contract. Whoever drafts him is going to get two years of poor value.

Collins can contribute now and play multiple OL positions (all but center). Scherff can too, I like Collins over Scherff.
Peat didn't bomb The combine  
Sy'56 : 4/15/2015 8:40 pm : link
Look at his numbers compared to the other tackles. He did well and
Being in spandex isn't a strength of his.

And there are a couple reasons that aren't public knowledge that caused his wind to look awful in drills.

Peat is the best player among all the OTs and yes, he has the mean streak and power to drive defenders out of the stadium
I just don't see it with Peat  
Rjanyg : 4/15/2015 8:46 pm : link
He looks raw and very weak. He does not anchor very well. I pray to God he is not the pick. I would rather have Collins, Flowers or Scherff in that order over Peat.
RE: Peat didn't bomb The combine  
yatqb : 4/15/2015 8:46 pm : link
In comment 12234985 Sy'56 said:
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Look at his numbers compared to the other tackles. He did well and
Being in spandex isn't a strength of his.

And there are a couple reasons that aren't public knowledge that caused his wind to look awful in drills.

Peat is the best player among all the OTs and yes, he has the mean streak and power to drive defenders out of the stadium


Sy, can you give us a hint on the conditioning? Illness? Asthma? How can someone look so fatigued after a 30 second drill?
He was gassed at the combine  
ij_reilly : 4/15/2015 8:48 pm : link
certainly.

This is the first I've heard that there was some non-public reason for it. And of course Sy'56 you are a great source, a great presence on this board. That's my way of saying "thank you" I guess.

Well, the Giants will be well aware of the situation. They wouldn't pick someone at 9 who couldn't hack the physical nature of the NFL. If they pick Peat, I won't be upset (unless they pass over Cooper or White!).
Peat looks like the goods to me  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/15/2015 8:48 pm : link
..
yat  
Sy'56 : 4/15/2015 8:55 pm : link
Im really not at liberty to day...but it is nothing that will fail a physical, nothing that is permanent, nothing that will linger. Was just bad timing with his pre-combine training.

And for those that say he is on the ground a lot, his scheme called him to do so more than any other LT prospect in this draft. Just a heads up that,
Was it George Young  
Bige711 : 4/15/2015 8:55 pm : link
who said something like... There are only so many dancing elephants and you've got to grab them while you can. Therefore PEAT.
If I remember right  
TJ : 4/15/2015 8:56 pm : link
The top draft guides said Pugh was a guard. They probably still think so and believe Giants will go need over BPA which make Peat the obvious choice. The Giants may continue to believe Pugh is a RT and they may go strictly BPA or at most lean toward the stated preference for "playmakers" which makes me think D line or WR.
RE: yat  
yatqb : 4/15/2015 8:57 pm : link
In comment 12235019 Sy'56 said:
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Im really not at liberty to day...but it is nothing that will fail a physical, nothing that is permanent, nothing that will linger. Was just bad timing with his pre-combine training.

And for those that say he is on the ground a lot, his scheme called him to do so more than any other LT prospect in this draft. Just a heads up that,


OK, Sy, understood.
RE: But, Peats size (6'7)...  
Jay on the Island : 4/15/2015 8:58 pm : link
In comment 12234768 drkenneth said:
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We were rumored to like Nate Solder...Can't find many guys that big.


That's funny that you bring up Solder. I remember may here on BBI were bashing him just like they are Peat when it was rumored that the Giants were very interested in him. Personally I wanted Solder but when he was chosen by NE right before us I was ecstatic that we got Prince. Now Solder is an excellent LT who would have solidified the position for 10 years.
RE: yat  
Coach Mason : 4/15/2015 8:59 pm : link
In comment 12235019 Sy'56 said:
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Im really not at liberty to day...but it is nothing that will fail a physical, nothing that is permanent, nothing that will linger. Was just bad timing with his pre-combine training.

And for those that say he is on the ground a lot, his scheme called him to do so more than any other LT prospect in this draft. Just a heads up that,


Peat is the ONLY OL I want at 9.

Many may disagree but I see a shutdown LT and day 1 RT starter.

Think we may like Flowers but Peat is the top target.
Beatty,Peat,and Pugh  
ghost718 : 4/15/2015 9:04 pm : link
That's 3 guys who can carry around the Teddy Bear,only 1 is needed.
I think Peat is a great propect.  
prdave73 : 4/15/2015 9:05 pm : link
While he didn't look great in the combines, I also don't think he failed. Conditioning can be worked on as well some of his other issues. Bottom line is the Giants need the safest pick possible in the first rd and Peat might be too risky when you have other safer choices with the 9th pick..
RE: there is no fat  
Mason : 4/15/2015 9:21 pm : link
In comment 12234882 bc4life said:
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in Peat's butt or thighs - he's just a big boy. small belly, which most of the big guys have and big, uncut arms. it's football not bodybuilding (no offense natefit)


Not sure if Serious.

He's a fat boy. Whether you like him or not. IMO, Peat is a bad choice because I don't see him as an upgrade and he is pure bust material. I'm not a fan of those Cardinal linemen anyway.
I still don't see him any better than Collins  
Rjanyg : 4/15/2015 9:35 pm : link
Flowers looks more physical and would be a better mauler in he run game.
RE: His tape and the Combine, Eric.  
Joey in VA : 4/15/2015 10:12 pm : link
In comment 12234740 CBSGameFace said:
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How can he be so out of shape at that age?

Poor genetics, perhaps? But I saw that someone posted he was working out as hard as he ever had in his life. That does not bode well for his future success.

I'm not comparing him to Johnathan Martin as they are two different cases all together. The GMen can't afford a project with this pick. He seems like a project, to me.

OH FFS, he's not out of shape, he's genetically thick limbed. I know that sounds weird but he's got a huge ass, huge thighs, thick calves, ankles and arms/shoulders. He's a 21/21 year old kid on a Div-1 college team, which means he runs more in a week than any of you have in likely your entire lives. His body is slow to shed fat, but as he hits his mid 20s and gets into an NFL weight-room and training program that will decrease but never go away completely. He's always going to fight this battle, the key is diet and if he doesn't take it seriously he'll flop out but chances are he's bright and competitive and should flourish. He's got the size, frame, bulk, athleticism that is rare, it has not all come together yet but it can.
As a Pac 12 guy  
Marty866b : 4/15/2015 10:56 pm : link
I have seen peat many times. He doesn't wow you but he gets the job done. Watching him I thought he anticipates the snap count extremely well or he's moving BEFORE the ball is snapped a lot. It's very close. One thing about Peat that I believe is very important. He's only 20 years old. He's got tremendous upside but is he worth the #9?
Eric  
Emlen'sGremlins : 4/15/2015 11:17 pm : link
Some scouts have labeled Peat to be "soft" and our offensive line of the past 2-3 years can ill afford any additional softness. No thanks. Collins, Scherff or Flowers please.
The reason ....  
Ed A. : 4/16/2015 12:10 am : link
I soured on him was his performance at the combine. I Tivo'd the entire combine, I watched the OL drills maybe 4 times. Watch the mirror drill and listen to the comments by Sean O'Hara when Peat was going through it. Very disappointing.
Peat's tall but his arms aren't very long  
chris r : 4/16/2015 12:18 am : link
and you don't block with your head.

I think his size is overrated.
RE: yat  
CBSGameFace : 4/16/2015 4:48 am : link
In comment 12235019 Sy'56 said:
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Im really not at liberty to day...but it is nothing that will fail a physical, nothing that is permanent, nothing that will linger. Was just bad timing with his pre-combine training.

And for those that say he is on the ground a lot, his scheme called him to do so more than any other LT prospect in this draft. Just a heads up that,


Sy: You're not at liberty to say why you think he was out of shape?? I'm not understanding that from someone who gives super detailed analysis on the Draft. Please explain.
Some details should be kept out of the media spotlight  
JonC : 4/16/2015 8:13 am : link
that's all, fans don't need to know everything.
Emlen'sGremlins  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/16/2015 8:31 am : link
The draft guides that I've come to respect over the years don't say that. In fact they say the opposite, that he is one of the most physical OLs in the draft.
I was team Scherff but I am warming to Peat.  
BeerFridge : 4/16/2015 8:33 am : link
I wish Peat played nastier, like Scherff, but Peat is definitely a tackle. I think you can plug him in at RT right away.
RE: As a Pac 12 guy  
Klaatu : 4/16/2015 8:37 am : link
In comment 12235263 Marty866b said:
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I have seen peat many times. He doesn't wow you but he gets the job done. Watching him I thought he anticipates the snap count extremely well or he's moving BEFORE the ball is snapped a lot. It's very close. One thing about Peat that I believe is very important. He's only 20 years old. He's got tremendous upside but is he worth the #9?


Dude, where have you been?

Anyway...if the Giants feel that Andrus Peat is their LT-of-the-future, then, yes, he's worth the #9 pick.
A lineman that plays angry is an understated ability  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/16/2015 8:38 am : link
I think it takes an aggressive personality to get the most out of your talent at that position. You definitely don't want to be too mild-mannered.
I wouldn't bet against Peat becoming a fixture on the line for years.  
Curtis in VA : 4/16/2015 8:42 am : link
Some guys just have it and he seems like one of them. Once he gets some NFL coaching and conditioning, he's going to develop into a great player.
Mason  
bc4life : 4/16/2015 8:51 am : link
He's not fat. He has some fat around his mid-section - those legs and butt are naturally huge.
There's a perception that he plays soft and is not in shape  
jeff57 : 4/16/2015 9:06 am : link
From the tape I've seen of him, I don't agree with the first part.
I said this on another thread and it applies here as well...  
Hades07 : 4/16/2015 9:27 am : link
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My personal preferance is Collins if they go OL at 9
Hades07 : 4/15/2015 1:01 pm : link : reply

but Peat is the exact type of player Reese likes to take. High upside, young for a rookie and plays a premium position. Based on what I have seen the Giants do in the draft, I would expect that Peat is the first OL on the Giants board. Doesn't matter who we like better right now, if they take Peat, we will all be rooting for him to succeed.
few thoughts about Peat  
bc4life : 4/16/2015 9:28 am : link
He muscles look less defined than some think so they consider him fat and out of shape. Like Joey said - could be genetic and can be addressed thru diet and conditioning. But, I would be careful to not use muscle definition as the #1 clue re: level of conditioning. When he was running those huge legs and big butt weren't shaking and jiggling - that's prime beef not cellulite.

Getting gassed after drills at the combine is something that may be related to how he breathes. And, was he more gassed than other OL? I don't seem to recall too much talk about him being out of shape during the season, so, I would be careful about placing too much emphasis in how he appeared after a few drills at the combine.

Unless it's a work ethic issue, conditioning is one of the easiest things to fix. And, based on what is out there - this kid has no issues re: work ethic.

Should he be the pick? I'm not qualified to make that decision; however, I just wonder if the hens are squawking a bit too much over his level of fitness based on his appearance at the combine. Or, possibly parroting a few observations without informed insight into the issue.
RE: few thoughts about Peat  
Jay on the Island : 4/16/2015 9:43 am : link
In comment 12235529 bc4life said:
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He muscles look less defined than some think so they consider him fat and out of shape. Like Joey said - could be genetic and can be addressed thru diet and conditioning. But, I would be careful to not use muscle definition as the #1 clue re: level of conditioning. When he was running those huge legs and big butt weren't shaking and jiggling - that's prime beef not cellulite.

Getting gassed after drills at the combine is something that may be related to how he breathes. And, was he more gassed than other OL? I don't seem to recall too much talk about him being out of shape during the season, so, I would be careful about placing too much emphasis in how he appeared after a few drills at the combine.

Unless it's a work ethic issue, conditioning is one of the easiest things to fix. And, based on what is out there - this kid has no issues re: work ethic.

Should he be the pick? I'm not qualified to make that decision; however, I just wonder if the hens are squawking a bit too much over his level of fitness based on his appearance at the combine. Or, possibly parroting a few observations without informed insight into the issue.


Well said. Where did all this Peat is soft garbage come from? I haven't heard one expert refer to him as soft. It appears people are convincing themselves that Peat is soft and will be a bust due to the fact he played at the same school and position as Jonathan Martin who wasn't anywhere near the prospect that Peat is. Peat and Collins are the only OL i would be happy with at the 9th pick.
Remember the uproar a few years ago when  
Jay on the Island : 4/16/2015 9:46 am : link
Andre Smith ran at his pro day with his shirt off and his fat was flopping around and everyone was ripping him for showing up so out of shape. He was still chosen 6th overall and has been a fixture at RT for the Bengals. Now I am not saying that Peat is in bad shape but things like strength and conditioning can be worked on.
bc  
JonC : 4/16/2015 9:57 am : link
In my view, you're correct across the board, we agree on many of these points. I see Joey also sees much of the same. Strong post.
Peat's Pro Day.  
Klaatu : 4/16/2015 9:57 am : link
As I recall, he performed very well in the drills, even though the coaches putting him through his paces really tried to run him ragged.
Klaatu  
JonC : 4/16/2015 10:00 am : link
Also correct.
If you are approaching round 1 as need based  
UberAlias : 4/16/2015 10:08 am : link
And your intention is Left Tackle specifically, he may be your guy.

If we were picking in the high teens/low 20s as we have in recent years I would be more on board with the line of thinking. Where I struggle is when I watch the limited video that is readily available on him and ask myself, does this player look like a top 10 overall talent? Will he be an impact player -i.e. a true difference maker? I don't believe so, and is where the choice loses me.

A guy like Scherff may project to OG not OT. Now I have heard some question his ability as a pass blocker, but if it is good enough to be a decent starter (not saying it is), I would prefer he be the pick. Why? Because he may be a road grader, but in that respect he looks like he could be special. If we can start getting some push up front up front in the running game for a change we can turn this running game around and this offense could really start to take off. We saw some aspects of that with the Dallas offense last year.

RE: But, Peats size (6'7)...  
dguy901 : 4/16/2015 10:10 am : link
In comment 12234768 drkenneth said:
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We were rumored to like Nate Solder...Can't find many guys that big.

Just signed Michael Bamiro, 6'8"/340. He would have been a 4th or 5th rd selection at worst if he had declared in time for the 2013 draft.
FWIW...  
Klaatu : 4/16/2015 10:12 am : link
Lance Zierlein at NFL.com has only one offensive lineman rated higher than Peat - Brandon Scherff - but it's pretty close - 6.4 to 6.2.
Beatty  
Curtis in VA : 4/16/2015 10:12 am : link
Schwartz
Richburg
Pugh
Peat

Thats a good line, at least on paper. Would love to see that.
RE: As a Pac 12 guy  
g-baby : 4/16/2015 10:14 am : link
In comment 12235263 Marty866b said:
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I have seen peat many times. He doesn't wow you but he gets the job done. Watching him I thought he anticipates the snap count extremely well or he's moving BEFORE the ball is snapped a lot. It's very close.


I picked up on his timing of the snap count too. You know who else does that extremely well (to the point where he's pretty much false-starting, especially against us)? Jason Peters. I'd take Jason Peters on this team.

As a Maryland fan, i got to see the terps go against Iowa and Stanford (Scherff/Peat). Andre Monroe (extremely undersized 3-4 DE) absolutely ate Scherff's lunch, but got dominated by Peat (as did everyone on MD who lined up against him).

Peat is the goods. He will be a STUD. Book it.
Curtis, I'd flip Pugh and Schwartz.  
Klaatu : 4/16/2015 10:17 am : link
Schwartz made his bones at RG. He's played on the right side his entire college and pro career. Why the Giants signed him to play LG, I have no idea. Maybe it's really not that big of a deal, but it seems like it to me.
Works for me!  
Curtis in VA : 4/16/2015 10:22 am : link
.
From Boylhart....  
Milton : 4/16/2015 10:23 am : link
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If Andrus played this year the way he has in past, there is no doubt in my mind that I would consider him as one of the top five players in this draft. But that is based on his past years and being at a disadvantage in being able to interview players who have a bad year playing from years past, I’m willing to give Andrus the benefit of his past years rather than just looking at this year for this profile...Andrus still played at a high level for his team all year long, but he did not improve over past years and was more inconsistent than in past years.
Forgetting about position for a moment  
UberAlias : 4/16/2015 10:27 am : link
How many of us see him as a top 10 overall talent in this draft? I'm assuming the consensus is that he is not. I don't know that I have seen any mock drafts ever having him going to any of the teams picking ahead of us, which would suggest that they don't see him as that sort of talent either. It feels a lot like a positional reach for me. But that is just my opinion.
for NYG's draft board  
JonC : 4/16/2015 10:32 am : link
I think he's top 10.
RE: Peat's tall but his arms aren't very long  
BMac : 4/16/2015 10:35 am : link
In comment 12235329 chris r said:
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and you don't block with your head.

I think his size is overrated.


34 3/8" is "not very long"?
RE: Beatty  
BMac : 4/16/2015 10:38 am : link
In comment 12235614 Curtis in VA said:
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Schwartz
Richburg
Pugh
Peat

Thats a good line, at least on paper. Would love to see that.


Flop Schwartz and Pugh.
RE: Curtis, I'd flip Pugh and Schwartz.  
BMac : 4/16/2015 10:40 am : link
In comment 12235627 Klaatu said:
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Schwartz made his bones at RG. He's played on the right side his entire college and pro career. Why the Giants signed him to play LG, I have no idea. Maybe it's really not that big of a deal, but it seems like it to me.


Shit. Scooped yet again! This is becoming a trend. Hopefully no one else questioned Radar's contention that Peat's 34 3/8" arms are "not very long."
RE: for NYG's draft board  
UberAlias : 4/16/2015 10:57 am : link
In comment 12235658 JonC said:
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I think he's top 10.


And that's really the only one that matters, in the end.
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