NFT: Knicks and wolves both about to lose

NBA New York Knicks ‏@nyknicks 26s27 seconds ago
Melo to @jonahballow: �I�ve had multiple visions of where we are right now & where we can go & the possibilities of what we can create"

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 28s28 seconds ago
Carmelo said he knew something was off with his knee as soon as first or second game if the season, but was afraid to get it fully examined

to try to recruit people than a guy with two rings as a player and 11 as a coach. If there's a player out there that doesn't want to listen to Phil, then I'd question the player.

In comment 12235792 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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to try to recruit people than a guy with two rings as a player and 11 as a coach. If there's a player out there that doesn't want to listen to Phil, then I'd question the player.

Probably just having the best player on the team there to answer questions about it from a player's perspective. What's Phil/Derek like? Those kinds of things...

I'd be happy with any of the top 6 players (non-European), although it would be a massive disappointment to have been this shitty and not even get a top 2 pick out of it.

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 11m11 minutes ago
Melo, asked abt viability of triangle, says personnel is more important than scheme. Suggests tm needs better midrange shooters & slashers

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 10m10 minutes ago
Melo was asked abt who he likes in the draft class. Said he wasn't even sure if he was allowed to discuss that. But thinks class is talented

Al Iannazzone ‏@Al_Iannazzone 9m9 minutes ago
Melo wants Phil to get "Players. Good players."

Jonah Ballow ‏@jonahballow 9m9 minutes ago
Melo: "My office probably looks like a GM�s office right now.�

He added, �I�m very in tune with that."

Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 8m8 minutes ago
Carmelo says he has faith in the triangle offense. Says it can work if #Knicks add talent to the roster. May read as a slight but it wasn't

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 8m8 minutes ago
Asked Melo whether it might be tougher to adjust to playing w rookie PG. He laughs, "What you mean by that?!"

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 7m7 minutes ago
Then Melo delves into more serious tone & says PG is probably the toughest position for a rookie to establish himself in, 4 several reasons

Jonah Ballow ‏@jonahballow 7m7 minutes ago
Melo: �If Russ made the playoffs, he probably would have been my pick for MVP."

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 7m7 minutes ago
Melo, on who deserves MVP: "I think James [Harden]." But then mentions Steph, before saying he would've said Russ had he made playoffs.

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 4m4 minutes ago
To people who are asking about exit interviews: From my understanding, Melo is/was the only person media was speaking with today.

Marc Berman ‏@NYPost_Berman 4m4 minutes ago Greenburgh, NY
Carmelo says thinks it's best draft class in a few years and indicated because of cap space to not trade it.

In comment 12235792 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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to try to recruit people than a guy with two rings as a player and 11 as a coach. If there's a player out there that doesn't want to listen to Phil, then I'd question the player.

It is the same as Wade recruiting Lebron...you think Wade recruited Lebron or Phil?

Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 1m1 minute ago
Carmelo says he understood why fans were upset about the #Knicks winning 2 of their final 3 games but said players can't be expected to lose

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guy they will actually be playing with. Melo is also the alpha dog on the team so im sure its good to have him talk to potential players. Remember all that nonsense last year about Rose when Melo was visiting. Im not saying a player wouldnt sign with a team based on if melo recruits him or not, but i think its good to have your best player actively recruiting.

Andrew Keh ‏@andrewkeh 2m2 minutes ago
"You guys are really not that bad," Carmelo Anthony assured reporters.

Meanwhile Frank Isola instead of reporting what Melo is saying, he is ripping Phil jackson because melo said he was going to help recruit, also said Melo cant recruit because melo didnt sign with the Knicks when he was a free agent...

Um Frank, Melo was only on the team when Lebron was a free agent once and the Knicks had no cap space...

In comment 12235835 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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And that is exactly my point, Melo has relationships with these players, Phil doesnt...

may have existing friendships with potential FA as well. I think all 3 are big in the recruiting process. PErsonally i think Fisher is the least important of the 3, def not melo.

In comment 12235840 nygiants16 said:

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Andrew Keh ‏@andrewkeh 2m2 minutes ago "You guys are really not that bad," Carmelo Anthony assured reporters. Meanwhile Frank Isola instead of reporting what Melo is saying, he is ripping Phil jackson because melo said he was going to help recruit, also said Melo cant recruit because melo didnt sign with the Knicks when he was a free agent... Um Frank, Melo was only on the team when Lebron was a free agent once and the Knicks had no cap space...

That should say when Lebron was a free agent...Also said Lebron was a free agent 3 times and to my recollection he was only a free agent twice

rank Isola @FisolaNYDN � 19m 19 minutes ago
LeBron called Carmelo one of his 3 best friends in NBA. Twice in last 5 years LeBron was a free agent...& didn't sign with Knicks. Just stop

Way to make shit up Frank

rank Isola @FisolaNYDN � 17m 17 minutes ago
The Knicks are paying Phil Jackson $12 million per. Let him do his job and recruit free agents. Wasn't that supposed to be his great appeal?

Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN � 16m 16 minutes ago
Last year, Phil wanted Carmelo to fix the cap. This year, recruit free agents. Why not just make Melo the GM. You save money & no triangle

Frank in full troll mode

His point about LeBron being a FA is so ridiculous and stupid that he must be trolling.

just to shitcan Isola and Lupica. He can even broadcast the meetings live on MSG.

when you make Dolan look somewhat supportable.

And frank knows the writing is on the wall for Daily News and print newspapers. That's why he's getting his feet wet with ESPN. He's on Around the Horn every day.

In comment 12235871 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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when you make Dolan look somewhat supportable. And frank knows the writing is on the wall for Daily News and print newspapers. That's why he's getting his feet wet with ESPN. He's on Around the Horn every day.

He also has a morning radio show on XM

psyched about the future of the Knicks, even moreso than in 2010, because at least now I know we have our first round picks from 2017 on. Hopefully Jackson and Mills continue to value their draft picks and hang on to them. We also are in really good cap shape and I can't fathom that Jackson is going to overpay for middling guys. Add that to the expected increase in the cap and I feel like we're going to be players in every off-season for the foreseeable future.

is they already have an idea on who wants to actually sign with the Knicks and who doesnt, based on talking to agents and Melo talking to players...

Could be quick who they sign....

In comment 12236058 nygiants16 said:

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is they already have an idea on who wants to actually sign with the Knicks and who doesnt, based on talking to agents and Melo talking to players... Could be quick who they sign....

Yeah I got that sense, too. I think the notion that Phil's just making a money grab here is a little ridiculous. Sounds like he and his staff doing their homework. He said he wanted to starters in FA - hope it's Monroe and a guard. Add in Melo and a draft pick and we'll be on the right track.

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we had a good shot at Lebron, but i have to agree that im more excited now then i have been in awhile. We not only have a ton of capspace we also have a top 5 pick, thats about as good of a combo as you can hope for in the NBA. Especially when you factor in we also have an established superstar. The only thing that would have been nice was if we had some young up and coming players, like if THJR didnt regress all year.

Mills and the scouting department doing a lot of overseas work was interesting, and the talk of other scouts following them to see who they were looking at...

Also did anyone else get the sense after hearing Monroe and his agent talk that the rumors are true he is going to sign with the Knicks...With the comments from him saying i plan to talk to the Knicks as soon as i can, and his agent saying this is going to be a quick process wont drag out...just seems to me they know the Knicks offer

if Calderon is moved before july 1st..him saying well i want to be here but i dont know if i will be here makes it sound like Phil told him we are going to shop you and we hope to move you...

money talks and BS walks...Knicks have a lot of money.

We may not ever see the Knicks win a title but I do believe this franchise is turning a corner and fans will enjoy good basketball sooner than later.

are dear to his heart. This is where his NBA journey began. Money is nice but think about it... screwing up here can only hurt his legacy, not enhance it.

Agreed about the young guys - Cleanthony Early was horrific this year, and Hardaway and Larkin aren't much better. It would've been nice if just one of those three joined Galloway as legit rotation players next year and beyond.

One other positive I take from this is guys like Shved and Calderon saying they want to stick around and see this through. Perhaps it's just good PR to say it, but it does seem like these guys enjoyed playing for Fisher. They certainly kept competing for him. So I guess that bodes well.

that if they cant trade him they will cut him and spread his cap money out. Considering the cap will be moving up a ton moving forward it prolly makes more sense to grab the extra 3-4 mill this year (I cant remember exactly how much it would save).

Calderon looks done at this point, but maybe he'd be able to put a guy like Mudiay under his wing if we were to draft him. That's about all you can hope for out of a 35 year old PG or however old he is.

Just sign Monroe to the max, and take some calculated risks on guys who can make that next jump. We don't need to walk out of this free agency with 2 max players.

In comment 12236079 nygiants16 said:

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if Calderon is moved before july 1st..him saying well i want to be here but i dont know if i will be here makes it sound like Phil told him we are going to shop you and we hope to move you...

If Phil gets someone to take that contract without anything terrible in return, he deserves an award. When you consider his age and the money remaining, that's not an easy guy to move IMO.

to shit all over the Knicks. Ummm Frank we get it that Knicks have been a sucky embarrassment for the better part of 15 years now. We follow the team, we have lived it. we don't need you banging us over the head with it every second of the day. The hope is going forward that Phil can change this. He has a chance to take a huge step in the right direction this off season. It's his first real shot. How about we analyze possible moves as opposed to shitting all over him before he gets to take a step. The little bitch whines for years that the front office has shut him out, and then when he gets the chance to cover the team and turn the page, all he can do is rip everyone in site. hmmm wonder why his access is limited. I'm sure they are dying to read all of his positive take on their maternity leave policy or how the Garden treats the ushers. idiot. I would use his useless drivel to line my bird cage but don't want to insult my bird...

will allow us to couple him with Calderon in a cap dump

a UFA or can DET match?

In comment 12236129 Metnut said:

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a UFA or can DET match?

UFA

I'd expect his agent to insist on 3 years with a player option in the 4th year so he can cash in on the rising cap.

In comment 12236133 Enzo said:

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I'd expect his agent to insist on 3 years with a player option in the 4th year so he can cash in on the rising cap.

That would be his offer no matter what..

Non bird offer is 3 years with a 4th year option

Brid right offer is 4 years with 5th option

In comment 12236167 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 12236133 Enzo said: Quote: I'd expect his agent to insist on 3 years with a player option in the 4th year so he can cash in on the rising cap. That would be his offer no matter what.. Non bird offer is 3 years with a 4th year option Brid right offer is 4 years with 5th option

huh? You don't have to give the player a player option. It can just be a straight 4 year deal.

In comment 12236226 Enzo said:

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In comment 12236167 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 12236133 Enzo said: Quote: I'd expect his agent to insist on 3 years with a player option in the 4th year so he can cash in on the rising cap. That would be his offer no matter what.. Non bird offer is 3 years with a 4th year option Brid right offer is 4 years with 5th option huh? You don't have to give the player a player option. It can just be a straight 4 year deal.

Of course it can be but what i am saying a normal deal is 3 years with the 4th year a player option...

Most deals in the NBA the final year is a player option...

Most deals are either 3 yeasrs with 4th option or 4 year 5th option...

In comment 12236278 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 12236226 Enzo said: Quote: In comment 12236167 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 12236133 Enzo said: Quote: I'd expect his agent to insist on 3 years with a player option in the 4th year so he can cash in on the rising cap. That would be his offer no matter what.. Non bird offer is 3 years with a 4th year option Brid right offer is 4 years with 5th option huh? You don't have to give the player a player option. It can just be a straight 4 year deal. Of course it can be but what i am saying a normal deal is 3 years with the 4th year a player option... Most deals in the NBA the final year is a player option... Most deals are either 3 yeasrs with 4th option or 4 year 5th option...

Depends on the player. Plenty of guys sign max or large deals without player options. Saying "That would be his offer no matter what" simply isn't true. Any team trying to sign him would obviously prefer a straight 4 year deal.

what i should of said was most deals are structured that way...

the only big contract i remember that didnt have an option was Amar'e's contract

In comment 12236313 nygiants16 said:

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what i should of said was most deals are structured that way... the only big contract i remember that didnt have an option was Amar'e's contract

Amare did in fact have a 5th year player option. Off the top of my head guys like Igoudala, Durant, Chandler, Josh Smith, Lowry, Cousins, etc. all signed big deals without player options.

Gladly admit I am wrong my apologies

The future of the NBA is to have rangy players that are all around the same size so they can defend multiple positions. You are seeing it with teams like the Warriors and the Bucks. Mudiay would fit that role perfectly, and I think we'll be acquiring guys who have that same ability.

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haha. You need big guys too.

In comment 12236443 AnotherGiantsFan said:

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The future of the NBA is to have rangy players that are all around the same size so they can defend multiple positions. You are seeing it with teams like the Warriors and the Bucks. Mudiay would fit that role perfectly, and I think we'll be acquiring guys who have that same ability.

teams have tried to put together teams like this for years but it's easier said than done. And if you're lucky enough to get a group of guys like this, it's harder to keep them together due to shorter contract and the tax.

In comment 12236449 hitdog42 said:

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Or brook lopez.

on the market who have that ability. Goran Dragic, Wes Matthews, Danny Green, KJ McDaniels, Khris Middleton, Demarre Carroll, Amir Johnson, Paul Millsap, etc.

Some of those guys aren't realistic targets, but I'm sure we'll go after them.