NFT: Knicks and wolves both about to lose

hoping for no 1.

The NBA brand doesnt need Minny to succeed but desperately needs NY!

The Knicks need to get lucky when they pick more than getting lucky with the lottery. Towns is probably the clear cut #1 but really we don't know which player ends up truly special. It could be mudiay for all we know. It could be Okafor. Even Russell or some other kid... Who knows. Knicks just need to scout the shit out of everyone and make the best pick. Be it #1 or 5.

chosen by lottery also? so after they pick balls for the 1st pick, do the remaining teams do the same in the bottom 10 to find out who picks 2nd - 10th????

dog ear trick again

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chosen by lottery also? so after they pick balls for the 1st pick, do the remaining teams do the same in the bottom 10 to find out who picks 2nd - 10th????

Only the first 3 picks are chosen by lottery. After that it's ordered by record (inverse order obviously).

back in November. Thank God it's finally over. Odds are we get a top four pick - I'll take my chances with any of the guys at the top of the board. Go earn your money now, Phil. It's a clean slate for him as far as I'm concerned.

win the lottery, then the worse Knicks can do would be 4th pick?

It's highly unlikely we get anything lower than 3. I can finally rest easy as a Knicks fan. We tanked well.

I hope Phil knows what he's doing. He has no excuses this draft/offseason. I'm not looking for a title contender this upcoming year, but I want a team that is thoroughly enjoyable to watch with a bright future.

Also, I fear that D Fish is kind of a bad coach. Impossible to gauge based on this season, but I feel it in my bones. Here's to hoping it's just the arthritis.

Say the Knicks get the #2 overall pick. Karl Anthony-Towns goes #1.

Are the Knicks able to sign 2 max free agents? Looking at the free agent PGs and it looks extremely weak. If they are able to sign 2 max free agents does it make more sense to go after a big man & a PG or go after 2 big men?

To me it seems better to try and sign Marc Gasol & Greg Monroe then draft the PG they like best between Mudiay & Russell. Do you think it's better to try & sign Monroe & a max PG plus draft Okafor?

a 5 person draft.

Things can be worse. Really really want Towns though.

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win the lottery, then the worse Knicks can do would be 4th pick?

That's correct. No matter who wins, 4th is the lowest pick they could get.

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Say the Knicks get the #2 overall pick. Karl Anthony-Towns goes #1. Are the Knicks able to sign 2 max free agents? Looking at the free agent PGs and it looks extremely weak. If they are able to sign 2 max free agents does it make more sense to go after a big man & a PG or go after 2 big men? To me it seems better to try and sign Marc Gasol & Greg Monroe then draft the PG they like best between Mudiay & Russell. Do you think it's better to try & sign Monroe & a max PG plus draft Okafor?

There is no max PG. And for all intents and purposes, there is no Marc Gasol. He's the prince of Memphis.

Names out of big men. I know people are saying him, Aldridge & Jordan aren't leaving, but anything can happen. Also isn't Goran Dragic a free agent? He's not going to get a max contract? Don't think he should, but I thought around the trade deadline that people were talking he would get a max contract.

Essentially asking is it better to try and sign 2 free agent big men & draft a PG if KAT is gone or is it better to sign a PG/SG & big man + draft Okafor?

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In comment 12235228 yankeeslover said: Quote: win the lottery, then the worse Knicks can do would be 4th pick? That's correct. No matter who wins, 4th is the lowest pick they could get.

Lowest pick they can get is 5

Is that Mudiay looks like the next coming of Jesus Christ in the draft process. This team could really use a guard, and there are several serviceable Centers in this FA crop.

1st 19.9%
2nd 18.8%
3rd 17.1%
4th 31.86%
5th 12.35%

So just under 39 percent of a top 2 pick. For me I want one of the big men, slightly leaning towards towns but would be happy with either one. 44% we draft 4th or 5th which would suck imo.

I was really hoping for a coin-flip but your team was able to salvage the guaranteed spot in the top-5 after nearly snatching victory from the jaws of defeat. I tip my hat as I try to convince myself that it's actually a six player draft; the two internationals and Stanley Johnson have to add up to one legitimate prospect, right?

Now we can sit back, enjoy the actual playoffs, and prepare for the exciting part of our "season", namely the draft and free agency.

we draft first (obviously) or third so we can either take Towns or our choice of the guards. An Okafor/Monroe/Melo front court would be scary defensively - Phil's comments about defense lead me to believe Towns and Mudiay are the targets.

The T-Wolves are going to make such a quick turnaround if they get the #1 pick. Rubio, Wiggins, K-Mart, KAT, and Pek is a legitimate starting 5. KAT and Pek will co-exist just fine, unlike Pek and Okafor.

If given the opportunity, we're signing Greg Monroe to a max contract. We sure as shit won't be signing him for defense.

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a 5 person draft. Things can be worse. Really really want Towns though.

Jon... we agree! This doesn't happen very often.

PER is 21.27 which is pretty damned good. We could do a lot worse.

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PER is 21.27 which is pretty damned good. We could do a lot worse.

I'm not complaining. Not to toot my own horn here (ok, it is), I'm probably the first guy on here that's been talking about wanting Monroe. I had a feeling he was going to turn down the QO and play out his contract, so I've been on the bandwagon for quite some time.

But us wanting him shows that defense isn't the end all be all to talent evaluation. Okafor is still definitely in play.

Monroe's passing skills are what Phil likes the most about his game.

The Timberwolves have several players who were taken in the lottery. Garnett, Shabazz, Bennett, LaVine, Wiggins, Payne, Rubio. With the exception of Garnett, all of them are young and Bennett and Wiggins were first overall.

The Knicks only have Bargnani, Aldrich and Melo who were taken in the lottery and none of them have the youth of the lottery guys on the Wolves (excluding Garnett).


The Knicks need the first overall pick more than the Wolves do.

for the Knicks.

Especially if Monroe is their FA target. He may be their choice at #2 if towns isn't there.

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The Timberwolves have several players who were taken in the lottery. Garnett, Shabazz, Bennett, LaVine, Wiggins, Payne, Rubio. With the exception of Garnett, all of them are young and Bennett and Wiggins were first overall. The Knicks only have Bargnani, Aldrich and Melo who were taken in the lottery and none of them have the youth of the lottery guys on the Wolves (excluding Garnett). The Knicks need the first overall pick more than the Wolves do.

so the Knicks 'deserve' the #1 overall pick because the Timberwolves have a lottery pick from the 1996 draft? If that's not solid logic I don't know what is



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The Timberwolves have several players who were taken in the lottery. Garnett, Shabazz, Bennett, LaVine, Wiggins, Payne, Rubio. With the exception of Garnett, all of them are young and Bennett and Wiggins were first overall. The Knicks only have Bargnani, Aldrich and Melo who were taken in the lottery and none of them have the youth of the lottery guys on the Wolves (excluding Garnett). The Knicks need the first overall pick more than the Wolves do.

In comment 12235343 Ned In Atlanta said:

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so the Knicks 'deserve' the #1 overall pick because the Timberwolves have a lottery pick from the 1996 draft? If that's not solid logic I don't know what is In comment [url=index.php? mode=2&thread=513440&show_all=1#12235331]12235331[/url] Anakim said: Quote: The Timberwolves have several players who were taken in the lottery. Garnett, Shabazz, Bennett, LaVine, Wiggins, Payne, Rubio. With the exception of Garnett, all of them are young and Bennett and Wiggins were first overall. The Knicks only have Bargnani, Aldrich and Melo who were taken in the lottery and none of them have the youth of the lottery guys on the Wolves (excluding Garnett). The Knicks need the first overall pick more than the Wolves do.

What?

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In comment 12235237 Jon in NYC said: Quote: a 5 person draft. Things can be worse. Really really want Towns though. Jon... we agree! This doesn't happen very often.

Boy, it must suck being wrong so often then!

Tell it all. Let's get through the G-men on the 30th. Some anxious times will be here shortly.

I am trading Rubio ASAP. Levine will be a better NBA player than him.

but at least we will def be top 5.

Although looking back the #2 spot isnt so great. Here is where the 2 spot has ended up:

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So no #1s and only stayed at 2 once (oddly enough this was the knicks pick that went to POR for aldridge). Kind of weird. On a positive note the lottery 2 seed has had good luck with PGs in case we go with Mudiay. Paul and Westbrook both went to teams who had the second worst record.

That way we get one of the two bigs or the best guard (whomever we think that is).

Lottery needs to be, like, tomorrow.

either Towns or Russell. I could live with Okafor but his poor defense scares me. I do not want another alleged star who puts up 20+ points a game but is on a perennial loser, like a Kevin Love, or Amare, and we ask ourselves why do the Knicks still suck when we have Okafor?

was a huge part of some pretty damn good PHX teams.

I really hope russell performs great in workouts cause right now i dont really want him. Id have him behind the top 3 and Winslow i think.

those Suns teams were very good...

today or tomorrow?

He's 19. He's not a finished product. Scouts questioned Marc Gasol's defense when he entered the league and he's one of the best defenders in the NBA. He'll probably never be an elite shot blocker but there's no reason to think he won't get better defensively as he is a very smart kid.

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He's 19. He's not a finished product. Scouts questioned Marc Gasol's defense when he entered the league and he's one of the best defenders in the NBA. He'll probably never be an elite shot blocker but there's no reason to think he won't get better defensively as he is a very smart kid.

I do think part of it was he was a big portion of their offense, so i am sure he was told be careful not to pick up quick early fouls...

In College with only 5 fouls to give you do notice the bigger scorers do not play aggressive defensively...

Now the slow feet on the pick and roll and slow to react are red flags...

i def agree that people need to chill a bit on his D. You would think he was going to be the worst defender in the history of the league. That said i think an average defender is probably close to his ceiling just cause he does seem to have slow feet and poor lateral movement.

or how bad he wants to be the best big man in the NBA. Just like we didn't know about guys before hand. All we know is he's got good size and good moves down low--that's typically enough to get you drafted pretty high.

Ewing wasn't an offensive super star when he came out of Georgetown. His D was being compared to Bill Russell. As it turns out his NBA career ended up almost reverses from college. He went down as one of the best offensive big men in NBA history while his D, while good to great wasn't really his trademark skill in the NBA.

I feel that if Okafor wants to be one of the best he's got the size and skill set to get there. I'd still take Towns probably and maybe Mudiay if his workouts end up great...but Okafor is an intriguing prospect.

We don't know if Okafor will do that. But I'd happily take him at 2 and hope you can coax the defense out of the kid.

In comment 12235384 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 12235321 EricNY33 said: Quote: In comment 12235237 Jon in NYC said: Quote: a 5 person draft. Things can be worse. Really really want Towns though. Jon... we agree! This doesn't happen very often. Boy, it must suck being wrong so often then!

It's not too bad. Just makes me more interesting.

but the 1 thing I've learned over the years is that a college player plays in a system that may not be a true indication of what he will do on the professional level. The only think you get from watching college is an idea of their talent level but you dont know in most cases how it transfers to pro ball

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players you can draft than a center who will probably be a 20 point scorer for the bulk of his career. I just hate drafting a center who isn't a good defensive player. That being said... I don't know him. I don't know his work ethic. I don't know how motivated he is to become a great player. THAT's where the GM's and scouts make their money.

I happen to think it's really a 3 player draft. I am not as sold on Winslow as most nor am I a big believer in D'Angelo Russell. I think the two European kids could both be special players but it's always scary drafting a Euro because there are more variables with them. You have the same concerns as the college kids but you also have to deal with them moving to a new country and adapting to a new culture. That might be a bigger issue than what they do on the court.

Right now, for me, it's Towns, Mudiay, and Okafor in that order. Anyone else would be considered a slight disappointment.

Al Iannazzone ‏@Al_Iannazzone 2m2 minutes ago
Melo believes he "will be fully recovered, injury free" by training camp.

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 2m2 minutes ago
Melo: Phil was one of the reasons I came back as a free agent. So this summer will be Phil's chance to finally put his stamp on the club

NBA New York Knicks ‏@nyknicks 1m1 minute ago
Melo to http://Knicks.com : �I take this time off right now to rebuild my whole body, my whole mindset."

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 43s44 seconds ago
Melo: "There was one point in the season where it was cloudy, and I was second-guessing" my decision to re-sign with the Knicks.

In comment 12235738 nygiants16 said:

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Al Iannazzone ‏@Al_Iannazzone 2m2 minutes ago Melo believes he "will be fully recovered, injury free" by training camp. Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 2m2 minutes ago Melo: Phil was one of the reasons I came back as a free agent. So this summer will be Phil's chance to finally put his stamp on the club NBA New York Knicks ‏@nyknicks 1m1 minute ago Melo to http://Knicks.com : �I take this time off right now to rebuild my whole body, my whole mindset." Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 43s44 seconds ago Melo: "There was one point in the season where it was cloudy, and I was second-guessing" my decision to re-sign with the Knicks.

All of that sounds good.

Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 1m1 minute ago
Carmelo said there was one point this season when he 2nd guessed his decision to return to #Knicks due to struggles but he has no regrets.

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 47s47 seconds ago
Melo: I ended up watching a little too much basketball during my time off. LaLa asked him to cut the TV off at times.

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 37s37 seconds ago
Melo says he'll obviously have communication with front office ahead of free agency, and have a sense of who team is targeting

Al Iannazzone ‏@Al_Iannazzone 14s14 seconds ago
Melo said he will be back on the court in June

Jonah Ballow ‏@jonahballow 14s14 seconds ago
Melo in my intv: �Have to be smart about the decisions we make b/c there are a lot of different ways you can approach this offseason"

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 1m1 minute ago
Melo says "I'm in" if front office asks him to speak w prospective free agents this summer.

Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 47s47 seconds ago
Carmelo says he hasn't lost any faith in Phil Jackson. #Knicks

Don't think Jackson/Fisher will be much of a draw.

NBA New York Knicks ‏@nyknicks 1m1 minute ago
Melo�s pitch to FAs: "Look ahead b/c what we are going to create is a winning culture here & I believe in that� http://on.knicks.com/1b05zIm

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 4s5 seconds ago
Melo, on type of player they should draft: Its gotta be some1 who can help "right now." But adds that very few rookies have immediate impact

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 28s28 seconds ago
Melo says team should explore all possibilities with its top pick, just to do due diligence. But says it's nice to have both cap and a pick.

Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 18s18 seconds ago
Carmelo says he'd like the #Knicks to keep their pick instead of trading it.

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 47s48 seconds ago
Melo, with the JR/Shump trade: "At first, I was kinda like, 'what happened?' Then the smoke cleared," and I understood it.

Al Iannazzone ‏@Al_Iannazzone 42s43 seconds ago
Melo believes the draft is strong but understands if Phil considers trading the pick

NBA New York Knicks ‏@nyknicks 1m1 minute ago
Melo to @jonahballow: "I feel great about my recovery and my return.�

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 44s44 seconds ago
Melo says he has no issue with eventually becoming the team's second option to whomever the Knicks draft/pick up in free agency.

Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 37s37 seconds ago
Carmelo says that the #Knicks should keep their pick because they will have enough cap space to sign veterans in free agency.

NBA New York Knicks ‏@nyknicks 26s27 seconds ago
Melo to @jonahballow: �I�ve had multiple visions of where we are right now & where we can go & the possibilities of what we can create"

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 28s28 seconds ago
Carmelo said he knew something was off with his knee as soon as first or second game if the season, but was afraid to get it fully examined

to try to recruit people than a guy with two rings as a player and 11 as a coach. If there's a player out there that doesn't want to listen to Phil, then I'd question the player.

In comment 12235792 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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to try to recruit people than a guy with two rings as a player and 11 as a coach. If there's a player out there that doesn't want to listen to Phil, then I'd question the player.

Probably just having the best player on the team there to answer questions about it from a player's perspective. What's Phil/Derek like? Those kinds of things...

I'd be happy with any of the top 6 players (non-European), although it would be a massive disappointment to have been this shitty and not even get a top 2 pick out of it.

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 11m11 minutes ago
Melo, asked abt viability of triangle, says personnel is more important than scheme. Suggests tm needs better midrange shooters & slashers

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 10m10 minutes ago
Melo was asked abt who he likes in the draft class. Said he wasn't even sure if he was allowed to discuss that. But thinks class is talented

Al Iannazzone ‏@Al_Iannazzone 9m9 minutes ago
Melo wants Phil to get "Players. Good players."

Jonah Ballow ‏@jonahballow 9m9 minutes ago
Melo: "My office probably looks like a GM�s office right now.�

He added, �I�m very in tune with that."

Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 8m8 minutes ago
Carmelo says he has faith in the triangle offense. Says it can work if #Knicks add talent to the roster. May read as a slight but it wasn't

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 8m8 minutes ago
Asked Melo whether it might be tougher to adjust to playing w rookie PG. He laughs, "What you mean by that?!"

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 7m7 minutes ago
Then Melo delves into more serious tone & says PG is probably the toughest position for a rookie to establish himself in, 4 several reasons

Jonah Ballow ‏@jonahballow 7m7 minutes ago
Melo: �If Russ made the playoffs, he probably would have been my pick for MVP."

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 7m7 minutes ago
Melo, on who deserves MVP: "I think James [Harden]." But then mentions Steph, before saying he would've said Russ had he made playoffs.

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 4m4 minutes ago
To people who are asking about exit interviews: From my understanding, Melo is/was the only person media was speaking with today.

Marc Berman ‏@NYPost_Berman 4m4 minutes ago Greenburgh, NY
Carmelo says thinks it's best draft class in a few years and indicated because of cap space to not trade it.

In comment 12235792 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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to try to recruit people than a guy with two rings as a player and 11 as a coach. If there's a player out there that doesn't want to listen to Phil, then I'd question the player.

It is the same as Wade recruiting Lebron...you think Wade recruited Lebron or Phil?

Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 1m1 minute ago
Carmelo says he understood why fans were upset about the #Knicks winning 2 of their final 3 games but said players can't be expected to lose

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guy they will actually be playing with. Melo is also the alpha dog on the team so im sure its good to have him talk to potential players. Remember all that nonsense last year about Rose when Melo was visiting. Im not saying a player wouldnt sign with a team based on if melo recruits him or not, but i think its good to have your best player actively recruiting.

Andrew Keh ‏@andrewkeh 2m2 minutes ago
"You guys are really not that bad," Carmelo Anthony assured reporters.

Meanwhile Frank Isola instead of reporting what Melo is saying, he is ripping Phil jackson because melo said he was going to help recruit, also said Melo cant recruit because melo didnt sign with the Knicks when he was a free agent...

Um Frank, Melo was only on the team when Lebron was a free agent once and the Knicks had no cap space...

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And that is exactly my point, Melo has relationships with these players, Phil doesnt...

may have existing friendships with potential FA as well. I think all 3 are big in the recruiting process. PErsonally i think Fisher is the least important of the 3, def not melo.

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Andrew Keh ‏@andrewkeh 2m2 minutes ago "You guys are really not that bad," Carmelo Anthony assured reporters. Meanwhile Frank Isola instead of reporting what Melo is saying, he is ripping Phil jackson because melo said he was going to help recruit, also said Melo cant recruit because melo didnt sign with the Knicks when he was a free agent... Um Frank, Melo was only on the team when Lebron was a free agent once and the Knicks had no cap space...

That should say when Lebron was a free agent...Also said Lebron was a free agent 3 times and to my recollection he was only a free agent twice

rank Isola @FisolaNYDN � 19m 19 minutes ago
LeBron called Carmelo one of his 3 best friends in NBA. Twice in last 5 years LeBron was a free agent...& didn't sign with Knicks. Just stop

Way to make shit up Frank

rank Isola @FisolaNYDN � 17m 17 minutes ago
The Knicks are paying Phil Jackson $12 million per. Let him do his job and recruit free agents. Wasn't that supposed to be his great appeal?

Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN � 16m 16 minutes ago
Last year, Phil wanted Carmelo to fix the cap. This year, recruit free agents. Why not just make Melo the GM. You save money & no triangle

Frank in full troll mode

His point about LeBron being a FA is so ridiculous and stupid that he must be trolling.

just to shitcan Isola and Lupica. He can even broadcast the meetings live on MSG.

when you make Dolan look somewhat supportable.

And frank knows the writing is on the wall for Daily News and print newspapers. That's why he's getting his feet wet with ESPN. He's on Around the Horn every day.

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when you make Dolan look somewhat supportable. And frank knows the writing is on the wall for Daily News and print newspapers. That's why he's getting his feet wet with ESPN. He's on Around the Horn every day.

He also has a morning radio show on XM

psyched about the future of the Knicks, even moreso than in 2010, because at least now I know we have our first round picks from 2017 on. Hopefully Jackson and Mills continue to value their draft picks and hang on to them. We also are in really good cap shape and I can't fathom that Jackson is going to overpay for middling guys. Add that to the expected increase in the cap and I feel like we're going to be players in every off-season for the foreseeable future.

is they already have an idea on who wants to actually sign with the Knicks and who doesnt, based on talking to agents and Melo talking to players...

Could be quick who they sign....

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is they already have an idea on who wants to actually sign with the Knicks and who doesnt, based on talking to agents and Melo talking to players... Could be quick who they sign....

Yeah I got that sense, too. I think the notion that Phil's just making a money grab here is a little ridiculous. Sounds like he and his staff doing their homework. He said he wanted to starters in FA - hope it's Monroe and a guard. Add in Melo and a draft pick and we'll be on the right track.

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we had a good shot at Lebron, but i have to agree that im more excited now then i have been in awhile. We not only have a ton of capspace we also have a top 5 pick, thats about as good of a combo as you can hope for in the NBA. Especially when you factor in we also have an established superstar. The only thing that would have been nice was if we had some young up and coming players, like if THJR didnt regress all year.

Mills and the scouting department doing a lot of overseas work was interesting, and the talk of other scouts following them to see who they were looking at...

Also did anyone else get the sense after hearing Monroe and his agent talk that the rumors are true he is going to sign with the Knicks...With the comments from him saying i plan to talk to the Knicks as soon as i can, and his agent saying this is going to be a quick process wont drag out...just seems to me they know the Knicks offer

if Calderon is moved before july 1st..him saying well i want to be here but i dont know if i will be here makes it sound like Phil told him we are going to shop you and we hope to move you...

money talks and BS walks...Knicks have a lot of money.

We may not ever see the Knicks win a title but I do believe this franchise is turning a corner and fans will enjoy good basketball sooner than later.

are dear to his heart. This is where his NBA journey began. Money is nice but think about it... screwing up here can only hurt his legacy, not enhance it.

Agreed about the young guys - Cleanthony Early was horrific this year, and Hardaway and Larkin aren't much better. It would've been nice if just one of those three joined Galloway as legit rotation players next year and beyond.

One other positive I take from this is guys like Shved and Calderon saying they want to stick around and see this through. Perhaps it's just good PR to say it, but it does seem like these guys enjoyed playing for Fisher. They certainly kept competing for him. So I guess that bodes well.

that if they cant trade him they will cut him and spread his cap money out. Considering the cap will be moving up a ton moving forward it prolly makes more sense to grab the extra 3-4 mill this year (I cant remember exactly how much it would save).

Calderon looks done at this point, but maybe he'd be able to put a guy like Mudiay under his wing if we were to draft him. That's about all you can hope for out of a 35 year old PG or however old he is.

Just sign Monroe to the max, and take some calculated risks on guys who can make that next jump. We don't need to walk out of this free agency with 2 max players.

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if Calderon is moved before july 1st..him saying well i want to be here but i dont know if i will be here makes it sound like Phil told him we are going to shop you and we hope to move you...

If Phil gets someone to take that contract without anything terrible in return, he deserves an award. When you consider his age and the money remaining, that's not an easy guy to move IMO.

to shit all over the Knicks. Ummm Frank we get it that Knicks have been a sucky embarrassment for the better part of 15 years now. We follow the team, we have lived it. we don't need you banging us over the head with it every second of the day. The hope is going forward that Phil can change this. He has a chance to take a huge step in the right direction this off season. It's his first real shot. How about we analyze possible moves as opposed to shitting all over him before he gets to take a step. The little bitch whines for years that the front office has shut him out, and then when he gets the chance to cover the team and turn the page, all he can do is rip everyone in site. hmmm wonder why his access is limited. I'm sure they are dying to read all of his positive take on their maternity leave policy or how the Garden treats the ushers. idiot. I would use his useless drivel to line my bird cage but don't want to insult my bird...

will allow us to couple him with Calderon in a cap dump

a UFA or can DET match?

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UFA

I'd expect his agent to insist on 3 years with a player option in the 4th year so he can cash in on the rising cap.

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I'd expect his agent to insist on 3 years with a player option in the 4th year so he can cash in on the rising cap.

That would be his offer no matter what..

Non bird offer is 3 years with a 4th year option

Brid right offer is 4 years with 5th option

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In comment 12236133 Enzo said: Quote: I'd expect his agent to insist on 3 years with a player option in the 4th year so he can cash in on the rising cap. That would be his offer no matter what.. Non bird offer is 3 years with a 4th year option Brid right offer is 4 years with 5th option

huh? You don't have to give the player a player option. It can just be a straight 4 year deal.

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In comment 12236167 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 12236133 Enzo said: Quote: I'd expect his agent to insist on 3 years with a player option in the 4th year so he can cash in on the rising cap. That would be his offer no matter what.. Non bird offer is 3 years with a 4th year option Brid right offer is 4 years with 5th option huh? You don't have to give the player a player option. It can just be a straight 4 year deal.

Of course it can be but what i am saying a normal deal is 3 years with the 4th year a player option...

Most deals in the NBA the final year is a player option...

Most deals are either 3 yeasrs with 4th option or 4 year 5th option...

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In comment 12236226 Enzo said: Quote: In comment 12236167 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 12236133 Enzo said: Quote: I'd expect his agent to insist on 3 years with a player option in the 4th year so he can cash in on the rising cap. That would be his offer no matter what.. Non bird offer is 3 years with a 4th year option Brid right offer is 4 years with 5th option huh? You don't have to give the player a player option. It can just be a straight 4 year deal. Of course it can be but what i am saying a normal deal is 3 years with the 4th year a player option... Most deals in the NBA the final year is a player option... Most deals are either 3 yeasrs with 4th option or 4 year 5th option...

Depends on the player. Plenty of guys sign max or large deals without player options. Saying "That would be his offer no matter what" simply isn't true. Any team trying to sign him would obviously prefer a straight 4 year deal.

what i should of said was most deals are structured that way...

the only big contract i remember that didnt have an option was Amar'e's contract

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what i should of said was most deals are structured that way... the only big contract i remember that didnt have an option was Amar'e's contract

Amare did in fact have a 5th year player option. Off the top of my head guys like Igoudala, Durant, Chandler, Josh Smith, Lowry, Cousins, etc. all signed big deals without player options.

Gladly admit I am wrong my apologies

The future of the NBA is to have rangy players that are all around the same size so they can defend multiple positions. You are seeing it with teams like the Warriors and the Bucks. Mudiay would fit that role perfectly, and I think we'll be acquiring guys who have that same ability.

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haha. You need big guys too.

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The future of the NBA is to have rangy players that are all around the same size so they can defend multiple positions. You are seeing it with teams like the Warriors and the Bucks. Mudiay would fit that role perfectly, and I think we'll be acquiring guys who have that same ability.

teams have tried to put together teams like this for years but it's easier said than done. And if you're lucky enough to get a group of guys like this, it's harder to keep them together due to shorter contract and the tax.

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Or brook lopez.

on the market who have that ability. Goran Dragic, Wes Matthews, Danny Green, KJ McDaniels, Khris Middleton, Demarre Carroll, Amir Johnson, Paul Millsap, etc.

Some of those guys aren't realistic targets, but I'm sure we'll go after them.