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NFT: On Holocaust Rememberence Day

Milton : 4/16/2015 6:32 am
"Only when they had secured a future, did they allow themselves to look back in the past. Only when they had built a time of hope, did they permit themselves to remember the days of despair. They built a future in their old new home, the state of Israel. And under the shadows of their greatest tragedy, Jews were able to build a country that leads the world in medicine, agriculture, and technology. Why? Because they looked forward."-- George Deek.
George Deek speech in Oslo - ( New Window )
Frontline this week aired  
Sec 103 : 4/16/2015 7:55 am : link
a special on the freeing of Beslin and Dacau by the Brits and Americans, unreal. My wife couldn't stand to wtach it and I must say it was pretty damn ugly.
I cannot see how anyone with a sane mind cany deny this ever happening.
And while I hope to hell that these types of barbarism are only in our history, I'm afraid that they will never be.
I've posted this poster in the past  
Greg from LI : 4/16/2015 7:58 am : link
But I'll do so again because it's such a powerful image that it still brings tears to my eyes.

never again  
ImThatGuy : 4/16/2015 8:17 am : link
never forget
Forgive my spelling  
Sec 103 : 4/16/2015 8:35 am : link
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RE: Frontline this week aired  
WideRight : 4/16/2015 8:42 am : link
In comment 12235402 Sec 103 said:
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a special on the freeing of Beslin and Dacau by the Brits and Americans, unreal. My wife couldn't stand to wtach it and I must say it was pretty damn ugly.
I cannot see how anyone with a sane mind cany deny this ever happening.
And while I hope to hell that these types of barbarism are only in our history, I'm afraid that they will never be.


Do you hear what the Turks just replied in response to the Pope's acknowledgement of the Armenian genocide? You are spot on. Never forget.
Never again  
jjgmrg901 : 4/16/2015 8:48 am : link
My mother-in-law was a hidden child and lost her parents. We lost her 5 years ago but we have the interview that she did with Steven Spielberg's Shoah Foundation. How anyone can deny this atrocity is beyond me.
Time does not heal old wounds  
Headhunter : 4/16/2015 8:54 am : link
Very personal to me. Just think where the world would be if all those doctors,scientists, inventors, brilliant minds did not get wiped out. Think about the children they might of produced and tell me if you think that mankind wouldn't be more advanced today?
jjgrmg  
Headhunter : 4/16/2015 8:57 am : link
I have my mom's Spielberg Foundation video that tells a story that makes me proud and in awe of an amazing story of survival. God bless her she is 88 lives on her own and is sharp as a tack. Fuck you Hitler
RE: I've posted this poster in the past  
mfsd : 4/16/2015 9:11 am : link
In comment 12235404 Greg from LI said:
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But I'll do so again because it's such a powerful image that it still brings tears to my eyes.



Wow that's a moving image, thanks for posting.

Spent a day at Auschwitz about 10 years ago. One of the most emotional days of my life. My family and I couldn't really talk much that night, we were all just trying to process what we'd seen

I know anyone who's been there understands. Love to our brothers and sisters of the Hebrew faith.
i had family in Russia  
oke49 : 4/16/2015 9:30 am : link
executed by the SS around 1941 when they would enter towns, gather up the Jewish population, march them to the edge of town, make them dig a mass grave, and shoot them all in the head.

When i first started practice, I had a patient who somehow escaped one of these pogroms.She said she hid in the woods and witnessed what happened. She described a scene that i can never forget. She said after the SS shot dozens of victims, they would cover them with dirt in a shallow grave.She said she saw that earth moving. Many of course were buried still alive.
Truth be told  
Headhunter : 4/16/2015 9:36 am : link
I knew as a child where my anger issues came from. Not an excuse, just the way it is
interesting you say that Headhunter  
oke49 : 4/16/2015 9:55 am : link
my wife is a social worker and works for Jewish Family and Children Services, a subsidiary of the United Way. She used to do a lot of work with disabled children of Holocaust survivors.
RE: RE: Frontline this week aired  
NYG27 : 4/16/2015 10:47 am : link
In comment 12235440 WideRight said:
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Do you hear what the Turks just replied in response to the Pope's acknowledgement of the Armenian genocide? You are spot on. Never forget.


Yesterday, the European Parliament just adopted the Armenian Genocide centennial resolution and urged Turkey to recognize the Armenian Genocide of 1915. It will be interesting to see Turkey's response.

Apocalypse WWI on AHC  
njm : 4/16/2015 10:58 am : link
A series on WWI that actually had a segment on the Armenian Genocide. Apparently the Armenians were a convenient scapegoat for the Turks after a FUBAR attempt to invade southern Russia left most of the invading force KIA. Pretty graphic. Put it this way, ISIS didn't invent beheading.
njm  
NYG27 : 4/16/2015 11:11 am : link
I linked a Google Image search on Armenian Genocide pictures below. Extremely barbaric treatment by the Ottoman Turks against the christian members of their empire which included the Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians and other minority christian nationalities.

NSFW - FYI Gruesome Pictures - ( New Window )
Headhunter. I have to say that I have never actually thought that my  
goldy1313 : 4/16/2015 11:14 am : link
anger could get any higher at the fact that there are people that continue to deny this ever happened. But your take on the minds and advancements that we as a people have yet to attain because of what was lost was incredibly eye opening. I don't think I have ever heard anyone put it quite like that yet it is so accurate in it's obvious simplicity. Thank you for putting it that way and forgive me for stealing it and using it on all of the social media sites available to me.
Let us not forget, ever.  
old man : 4/16/2015 11:34 am : link
There are growing numbers of people who hate the Judeo and Christian belief system and peoples.
The world needs to absorb the story and the history of the genocides,and if we are truly 'advanced', then we have to start respecting human life, and realize ISIS cares only about their cause, and an advanced peoples would not allow such a targeting to go unanswered in the world community.
Let us never forget, ever.
goldy  
Headhunter : 4/16/2015 11:42 am : link
that thought has haunted me since I learned that Jonas Salk discovered the cure for polio. Feel free to claim it as your own
Part of Never Forgetting to me means  
schnitzie : 4/16/2015 11:47 am : link
standing up when others attempt to demonize all members of a certain religion, ethnicity, nationality or creed by generalizing from the most pathological of their members.

The gentiles who were able to make that distinction were the ones who put their own lives on the line to save as many Jews as they possibly could: the Oskar Shindlers, Irena Sendlers, and Raoul Wallenbergs.

Never forget that when the ISIS sympathizers were killing Jews in that grocery store in Paris, it was a Muslim, who led as many Jews as possible to safety, by hiding them elsewhere in the store.
My father  
Big Al : 4/16/2015 11:55 am : link
who I lost in January was part of the liberating American troops at Dachau. He never talked much about it. The remaining living witnesses are leaving us.
RE: I've posted this poster in the past  
short lease : 4/16/2015 12:40 pm : link
In comment 12235404 Greg from LI said:
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But I'll do so again because it's such a powerful image that it still brings tears to my eyes.



Wow ... that is a very powerful image.
RE: jjgrmg  
Stu11 : 4/16/2015 1:27 pm : link
In comment 12235467 Headhunter said:
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I have my mom's Spielberg Foundation video that tells a story that makes me proud and in awe of an amazing story of survival. God bless her she is 88 lives on her own and is sharp as a tack. Fuck you Hitler


Just a few short weeks ago I told the same thing to my Wife's 94 year old Grandmother that I tell her every Passover (she escaped Germany right after Crystal Nacht, many of her aunts/uncles did not) the biggest revenge she gets on Hitler every Pesach is watching her great Grandchildren(my kids) do the 4 questions at the Seder. Always brings a smile and a tear to her eyes. There is no revenge sweeter than that...
Stu and Headhunter  
jjgmrg901 : 4/16/2015 1:34 pm : link
Thank you for your comments. Both are so right because of our mothers, grandmothers and mother-in-laws some wonderful lives have been created.
My mother in law became one of those amazing people who always looked on the bright side of life.
When she met my family for the first time it was a larger Thanksgiving reunion. At the end of the day and for days to come,my brothers, sisters, nieces and nephews all felt she was on3 of their best friends.
She and your relatives show to me that Hitler and fascism lost
My grandparents were survivors  
Anakim : 4/16/2015 1:45 pm : link
My grandpa actually has a video in German online, but I haven't gotten anyone who knows German to translate for me for free.
years back PBS did a special on Survivors that lived in a cluster  
Stu11 : 4/16/2015 2:08 pm : link
in Washington Heights. They interviewed my wife's great grandmother a lot in the piece. The premise was there were a bunch of Jews in this cluster that came from the same small town on the German-Polish border. The 2nd part of the piece was going back to that town and interviewing the older non-Jewish residents of the town. Their answers were very eerie. It was if the Jews had all just suddenly disappeared one day and that was it there was no mention of it again. They were so matter of fact about it. I guess that's the way they compartmentalized it mentally. They were like "we had no problem with the Jews".
There were Righteous Gentiles who I hold a warm spot in  
Headhunter : 4/16/2015 2:59 pm : link
my heart for. They risked their lives to save a lot of people. There were also from the stories my parents fellow survivors would tell about Polish pedants that I have an equal bitterness towards
Peasants  
Headhunter : 4/16/2015 2:59 pm : link
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My paternal grandparents  
RB^2 : 4/16/2015 3:14 pm : link
were wanted by the Nazis for hiding/smuggling Jews in Ukraine during the war. Seriously, fuck those guys.
Headhunter  
RB^2 : 4/16/2015 3:17 pm : link
That's what my grandparents told me. Even worse than the Nazis were the collaborators, because you could never really know. The Germans were easier to manage around because they wore uniforms and you saw them coming a mile away.
this is not an indictment of the Polish people  
Headhunter : 4/16/2015 3:25 pm : link
there were those that helped people like my mom, but there those who as that used to do business and coexist with Polish Jews that turned on them
turned them in and killed them
RE: Headhunter  
Greg from LI : 4/16/2015 3:30 pm : link
In comment 12236348 RB^2 said:
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That's what my grandparents told me. Even worse than the Nazis were the collaborators, because you could never really know. The Germans were easier to manage around because they wore uniforms and you saw them coming a mile away.


And there certainly was no shortage of collaborators in Ukraine between the Hiwis and those who went all out and served in the Galician Waffen-SS division.
Jews were never loved in Europe  
Headhunter : 4/16/2015 3:37 pm : link
over the centuries, we were tolerated for periods of times,the persecution and anti semittism was dormant but it was only a lull that never extended for a long period of time. When things got hard we were a convenient target by a lot of countries. You would think things would have changed but it hasn't. Europe is getting scary anti Semitic and if you think I'm being paranoid, you have your eyes closed
Yeah  
RB^2 : 4/16/2015 3:38 pm : link
That obviously happened a lot. Poland still hasn't recovered from losing pretty much its entire Jewish population. They were an integral part of society for many hundreds of years.

I would like the Polish government to formally reach out to Jews to return to Poland, though I have no idea how you execute something like that. Until Jewish people come back, the country hasn't been made whole, IMO.
RE: RE: Headhunter  
RB^2 : 4/16/2015 3:45 pm : link
In comment 12236377 Greg from LI said:
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That's what my grandparents told me. Even worse than the Nazis were the collaborators, because you could never really know. The Germans were easier to manage around because they wore uniforms and you saw them coming a mile away.



And there certainly was no shortage of collaborators in Ukraine between the Hiwis and those who went all out and served in the Galician Waffen-SS division.

My sister's godfather (totally unrelated to my grandparent) served in the SS. The Germans were running low on men on the Eastern Front so they gave him a uniform and a gun and told him to shoot some Russians, or they'd shoot him on the spot. He took a bullet to the shoulder but survived.
But your point is accurate. Ukrainians hated Stalin and thought life would be better under Hitler. Still a shitty excuse for killing your neighbors.
Just watched a doc  
Headhunter : 4/16/2015 4:03 pm : link
on the Lithuanian partisan movement from 1947-1953. Hitler & Stalin took turns trying to enslave a free people. Though the partisan movement didn't liberate Lithuania, they set the groundwork and inspiration to defeat the Soviets in 1990. Better to die a young free man than to live to be be an old man under an invader
RE: RE: Headhunter  
Reb8thVA : 4/16/2015 4:09 pm : link
In comment 12236377 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 12236348 RB^2 said:


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That's what my grandparents told me. Even worse than the Nazis were the collaborators, because you could never really know. The Germans were easier to manage around because they wore uniforms and you saw them coming a mile away.



And there certainly was no shortage of collaborators in Ukraine between the Hiwis and those who went all out and served in the Galician Waffen-SS division.


It wasn't just Ukrainian Hiwis or the Galizien SS division, there was the entire Ukrainian Insurgent Army--the military wing of Bandera's Organization of Ukrainian Nationalist-- ethnically cleansed as many as 80,000 ethnic Poles in the Polish region of Volhynia from 1943-1944. Several people that were close to my family who were fighting with the Polish Home Army fought against the UPA at the same time fighting the Nazis. They told of horrible stories Poles being burnt alive in churches, babies with their skulls bashed in with a rifle butt, and others.
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