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NFT: The American FX ***spoilers***

Stu11 : 9:13 am
well didn't realize we were up on the end of the season already next week. Seems like things are right in the middle. Another off the charts scene last night in the car when the Afghani was gleefully explaining how he gutted the young Russian soldiers to Phil and Liz. Imagine what was going though their head at that point especially Phillip who's son could very well have been one of them? Really sad the season is coming to an end, I love this show and looking forward to watching every week. will be interesting to see how they leave it with Paige. Surprised Phil is clinging to Martha so much. I mean since the bug was found and they have something planted on the mail robot isn't she pretty much useless to him at this point? I would think her leaving would be a perfect exit to that operation.
This show has really kept it going at a high level  
very few down episodes. I was surprised too that next week is the season finale already.

Seems like a huge risk to have Liz and Paige travel to Russia. From a plot standpoint I get it, in that it is likely to ground Paige in her past and give her some incentive to join her parents, but I just could not imagine the Soviet Union (or the US for that matter) taking that risk at that time with someone so deeply embedded.

Agree on the Martha sub-plot. I'm not sure what Philips's angle is, unless it is just to get Martha through this investigation. Does he think abandoning her will make her crack? Aside from a physical description of him I'm not sure what else she could provide. I'm wondering if him revealing himself now is only to further a more complex lie to keep her invested and silent.

One of the best shows on tv right now in my opinion.
Phillip is trying to let Martha survive  
Greg from LI : 9:47 am : link
If she runs home to mom and dad, she'll make herself a strong suspect for planting the bug. That's why Phillip wants her to stay at the FBI, to allay suspicion. If she won't stay, he'll have to kill her, which he doesn't want to do. There's no other way this can end, especially now that he chose to reveal his true appearance. Truth be told, I was expecting Phillip to kill her right there and then. He clearly has some sort of real feelings, or at least sympathy, for her.
yep Greg I actually thought it was curtains for Martha  
Stu11 : 11:42 am : link
a few weeks back when she realized Phillip wasn't who he was saying he was. In the end she is done. No way he can risk her being taken in and interrogated especially now that she has seen him without his disguise.
I'm kinda'  
surprised at the assassination in that the head gear seemed to indicate three different tribal/ ethnic/ regional affiliations. Now I'm no expert on Afghan dress code but to me the Afghans themselves would have noticed that if that was indeed the case (often they don’t even speak the same language). When Phil and Elizabeth say that the other two Afghans are from the same village would that have been credible to the guy with the knife? Also wouldn’t these guys have been staying in a safe house?

Another thing is that from general reading I was always under the impression that at least at the beginning of the CIA effort in Afghanistan it was done by true believers who had to strap together resources from different groups both foreign and domestic to be effective. They did this sometimes despite or even to some degree behind the backs of the people on the top floor of CIA headquarters. It would have been very hard for the Soviets to penetrate such a group unless they got lucky (which happens). In any case the Stingers didn’t enter into the equation until late in the War from what I know. So I guess “The Americans” is again guilty of a somewhat sketchy time line; albeit still very entertaining.
RE: Phillip is trying to let Martha survive  
jcn56 : 12:04 pm : link
In comment 12235567 Greg from LI said:
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If she runs home to mom and dad, she'll make herself a strong suspect for planting the bug. That's why Phillip wants her to stay at the FBI, to allay suspicion. If she won't stay, he'll have to kill her, which he doesn't want to do. There's no other way this can end, especially now that he chose to reveal his true appearance. Truth be told, I was expecting Phillip to kill her right there and then. He clearly has some sort of real feelings, or at least sympathy, for her.


I agree, Philip doesn't seem to be feeling it lately. He's been reluctant to kill off different people (like the SA student), so I'm not sure if it's feelings for Martha, or just general objection to running around and killing people who he thinks don't have to die.
yes, they're three years early for the Stingers  
Greg from LI : 12:14 pm : link
The show is now in February 1983, as seen by Henry watching the commercial for the M*A*S*H series finale which aired on February 28, 1983. American involvement in Afghanistan was fairly low-level until 1985 or so. Stingers began being shipped there in 1986.

If you ever read Milt Bearden's book - he was a CIA case officer for Afghanistan in the late '80s - virtually all of the American involvement in Afghanistan was via Pakistan. Since Pakistan controlled the border crossings where the materiel was smuggled in, they called the shots. The US had very little direct contact with any of the mujahideen groups. Pakistan insisted that all money and supplies be funneled through them to be distributed as they saw fit. As a result, the ISI channeled most of the aid to groups they favored, like Gulbuddin Hekmatyar's or Jalaluddin Haqqani's (whose Haqqani Network was the group holding Bowe Bergdahl). These two generally spent more time fighting other mujahideen groups than the Soviets. The Americans largely favored Ahmad Shah Massoud, a much more moderate and more capable commander, but he was not a favorite of the ISI so he received little of the aid.
yea the timelines for the show are starting to be off a bit  
Stu11 : 12:56 pm : link
I think the determination was that this was going to be the "Afghanistan" season so they are doing some condensing. Greg it's amazing your knowledge of the region. Very educational. I do think the combo of the Paige scenario/the 16 year old Kimmy/offing Martha is where the rubber is hitting the road for Phil. It's really chiseling away his belief in the cause...
RE: yea the timelines for the show are starting to be off a bit  
Greg from LI : 4:55 pm : link
In comment 12236001 Stu11 said:
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I think the determination was that this was going to be the "Afghanistan" season so they are doing some condensing. Greg it's amazing your knowledge of the region. Very educational. I do think the combo of the Paige scenario/the 16 year old Kimmy/offing Martha is where the rubber is hitting the road for Phil. It's really chiseling away his belief in the cause...


Eh, I just know what Bearden's book said, and I did a little research to fill in the gaps when the series started the Afghanistan angle. The book is a great read. It's about the cat and mouse game between the KGB and CIA in general - Afghanistan is only part of it.
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