Kinda question the nobility of a practice where you're shooting an animal from dozens of yards away without a chance of it defending itself and then mocking it's corpse.
At least deer hunters are exercising population control.
it's just walking along all innocent picking at some food hanging the fuck out. And along comes some lunatic from Utah with her fucking bow and arrow and shoots it in the neck for no good reason. I hope she gets in a terrible, fiery, handicapping, jaws-of-life-type car accident and survives.
[quote]He was past his breeding years and very close to death.
“They asked me if I would preserve this giraffe by providing all the locals with food and other means of survival. He was inevitably going to die soon and he could either be wasted or utilized by the local people.[/img]
This doesn't sound like she just set-out to blast a Giraffe into the cosmos for giggles...
These are the people who give hunters a bad name Â
and I have no respect for the asshole who pays to do this crap, but I agree with Jon, I really do not need to see that pic. It just saddens the hell out of me and makes me feel queasy.
Love you and agree with you, B in Alb. That said, I often block folks on Facebook who post pix of animal cruelty when the only purpose of the post is to make people say, "Oh, isn't that awful and to call callous, selfish assholes "callous, selfish assholes."
Attach a petition or (even better) phone numbers to call governmental representatives about pending legislation to ban such pointless brutality, and I will be with you 100%!
If there is nothing I can do to stop it, I'd rather keep my breakfast headed in the direction I originally sent it in. Thanks!
but even under the most charitable interpretation of her conduct she sought to find a giraffe to kill and found one whose death apparently (according to her) made sense.
I always think it's karma when I read about a hunter shooting and killing another hunter who mistakes the other hunter for an animal. Maybe this will happen to her.
I think the editorial commentary from B in Alb cherry picked the inconvenient facts from the story. Well... facts should never stand in the way of a good story.
If the Giraffe was elderly and near death, he deserved a humane Â
departure. Killing by arrow or random shots is not humane.
If his meat needed to be preserved to feed other captive animals (held in such circumstances due to no other humane alternative), fine, but there are still more humane ways to kill than letting some schmucky yahoo play pretend Safari.
This giraffe spent his life in captivity entertaining humans. Show him a little fucking respect.
RE: why anyone huntsendangered and declining species is beyond my comprehension.
Oh that's right - they want to take pictures with the corpse of an animal that has no way to defend itself.
But they ate him - so it's ok.
Fuck you.
You're a very special kind of fella aren't you!? When you can't command the facts, at least you can make yourself feel good by putting the icing on civility.
different if it was some ugly ass, dangerous wart hog, hyena, or something else...but it's an endangered, peaceful, lumbering, vegetation eating, beautiful giraffe. I just don't get it. How do you justify shooting something like that?
A least concern (LC) species is one which has been categorised by the International Union for Conservation of Nature as evaluated but not qualified for any other category. As such they do not qualify as threatened, near threatened, or (prior to 2001) conservation dependent.
So, from an ecological standpoint this is no different than shooting a deer. So we then go to the picture....and, again, I'm left shrugging my shoulders. Hunters take trophy pictures all the time. The animal is dead whether there is a picture of it or not, so I fail to see the cause for anguish.
I've never hunted anything in my life because I have no interest in shooting living things for sport, but neither do I have problem with people who do.
Look, people hunt for sport. Other people think that is cruel and evil. Hunting isnt an issue that moves my emotions, but Im pretty sure I come down against trophy hunting. But it happens. And this is not trophy hunting if you believe her story.
In particular, I dont understand Jon's comment that the picture is in bad taste. Bad taste to me is probably more killing for sport than taking a picture of it afterwards. I mean, how could taking a picture be bad taste in a world where taxidermy is a thing?
This just seems to me like a Ray Rice situation. The picture is what turns people off, not the act. NFLers were beating their women forever and there wasnt public outrage. Hunters are killing animals for sport and there isnt public outrage. But show us a picture of it and we shit our pants.
acts of individual cruelty against animals and the complete silence about institutionalized cruelty against animals perpetrated by most of us through our consumption of inhumanely raised animals.
RE: why anyone huntsendangered and declining species is beyond my comprehension.
Oh that's right - they want to take pictures with the corpse of an animal that has no way to defend itself.
But they ate him - so it's ok.
Fuck you.
You're a very special kind of fella aren't you!? When you can't command the facts, at least you can make yourself feel good by putting the icing on civility.
Three sub-species of giraffe (as pictured in the OP) in West Africa are endangered. It's a needless killing.
And the "FU" wasn't directed to anyone here at all.
Unsurprising though. I suppose it's okay though, because it was food and it was going to die anyway. Hopefully she tries sneaking up on another defenseless animal one day and a lion sneaks up on her and rips her limb from limb.
That'll be okay too because she was just food for the lion and of course she'll inevitably die one day....
RE: I'm always amazed at the outrage about random Â
acts of individual cruelty against animals and the complete silence about institutionalized cruelty against animals perpetrated by most of us through our consumption of inhumanely raised animals.
A picture -- like the video of the cop shooting Walter Scott in the back -- is undeniable evidence of an outrageous and unjustifiable act. It is in no way okay just because we can't see it.
NFL players beating on and killing their girlfriends and wives was always outrageous and many campaigned against it. The outrage didn't go viral and compel action until the undeniable, visual evidence came forward.
I didn't need to see the pic to know that this a disgusting activity, which I have taken action to oppose in the past. You're making me rethink my position on whether B in Alb needed to post that pic so others would finally take a stand against against such pointless cruelty.
RE: I'm always amazed at the outrage about random Â
acts of individual cruelty against animals and the complete silence about institutionalized cruelty against animals perpetrated by most of us through our consumption of inhumanely raised animals.
There's plenty of that too Radar. Many people don't eat certain foods based on how they're processed. This has nothing to do with that.
If you want me to start a thread on that issue and take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for now, for your customer's sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about typing a quality post for me.
that this idiot is undoubtedly profiting from these pictures by driving activity to her website, her television show and any mechanism that helps her turn a profit. Any publicity is good publicity, right?
so now griaffes = not close to even endangered
the giraffe's meat fed a village
and it was terminally ill, she probably put it out if its misery
but let's all get irate and sign petitions and call our local legislators.
people love to judge and get irate.
Huh - look folks - pjcas wrong again - not even close, eh comrades?
"Current estimates by the GCF have the population at less than 80,000 individuals across all (sub)species. This is a considerable drop in the last decade and shows that the plight of giraffe is in real danger. Efforts are underway to build up an accurate census of the entire population – working closely with IUCN SSC ASG International Giraffe Working Group. With the exception of Angolan, Cape and West African giraffe, all other subspecies are either decreasing and/or unstable. Poaching, human population growth, habitat loss, habitat fragmentation and habitat degradation continue to impact on the giraffe’s distribution across the continent."
especially for sport, (which seems not to apply here). Other than that, I don't see what the big deal is about this, though I can see being turned off by the picture, which as already noted, is worth a 1,000 words. This woman brags an awful lot about her sport hunting, I get it, there's a lot to dislike about her, but this seems much less worthy of outrage than much of what she does.
clearly a sport hunter - traveling all over to kill bears, giraffes, whatever. Then she has the gall to sound magnanimous. Disgusting.
I have a few friends who hunt deer and use their meat to provide food for local homeless shelters. So while controlling the population and feeding people I'm totally behind that.
who has taken many hunts in Africa. The way it works on the nature reserves is that they sell licenses/permits. These licenses are extremely expensive and the money goes into the local conservation fund. The guides then arrange the hunt (which can last from 1-5 days depending on what you bought). The guide takes the hunter out, if they find nothing in the time allotted they are done and the money is gone. If they find an animal that is worth taking (and with conservation in mind this is usually an animal that is old or past their mating prime); they are permitted to kill that animal. The local guides are in control. The meat is given to local tribes and people. What probably happened on her hunt was that they were out hunting a different animal but came across this giraffe that was a perfect candidate for a hunt, they offered a license to her for a large sum of money and she decided to take the license and hunt the giraffe. This is a lucrative business for the reserves and funds huge conservation interests. For instance I believe the permit for an elephant and a lion are both about 75k, in both cases they take only old and solitary males. I do not condone and I am also not against this but want to make sure people are informed. AS for the pictures, this is the same as any hunter ever. Pictures have always been taken. For instance, how many pictures are taken with people catching bluefin tuna every year.... a much more endangered species than a giraffe. Remember that this was not a poacher.... big difference.
that this idiot is undoubtedly profiting from these pictures by driving activity to her website, her television show and any mechanism that helps her turn a profit. Any publicity is good publicity, right?
Ironically the outrage generated by the picture has probably increased her "profitability" far more than just the picture itself.
let me get this straight, She was given the okay because the village would be fed from an animal that was old and dying? Okay, but the village didn't have the ability to do this? They need blondie to do their job? Okay, the I think she should be permitted to go to zoos all over the world and shoot all the old and dying animals that can be used for food. The reason for my outrage is I never thought of giraffes as a game animal. I mean a Lion or Hyena takes one down, that is the circle of life, but the lord high executioner from Utah getting her jollies? No fucking way
A least concern (LC) species is one which has been categorised by the International Union for Conservation of Nature as evaluated but not qualified for any other category. As such they do not qualify as threatened, near threatened, or (prior to 2001) conservation dependent.
So, from an ecological standpoint this is no different than shooting a deer. So we then go to the picture....and, again, I'm left shrugging my shoulders. Hunters take trophy pictures all the time. The animal is dead whether there is a picture of it or not, so I fail to see the cause for anguish.
I've never hunted anything in my life because I have no interest in shooting living things for sport, but neither do I have problem with people who do.
+1
I'll add this to the list of 1st world worries and outrage.
I'm absolutely an animal lover and find it extremely fascinating (and actually pretty much common sense) that recent research suggests that most mammals feel the same types of emotion and it isn't just us anthropomorphising them. Also, many more species than originally thought actually have a sense of self.
That said- many of them are food. Yeah, it sucks that we don't just tuck them into beds and put them to sleep so that we can eat them and wear their flesh, but it just is what it is.
I'm pretty sure that giraffe doesn't give a shit about what kind of pictures are taken of him after he dies.
Unnecessary cruelty towards animals is heartless and sociopathic, IMO. But this is not that.
A picture -- like the video of the cop shooting Walter Scott in the back -- is undeniable evidence of an outrageous and unjustifiable act. It is in no way okay just because we can't see it.
NFL players beating on and killing their girlfriends and wives was always outrageous and many campaigned against it. The outrage didn't go viral and compel action until the undeniable, visual evidence came forward.
I didn't need to see the pic to know that this a disgusting activity, which I have taken action to oppose in the past. You're making me rethink my position on whether B in Alb needed to post that pic so others would finally take a stand against against such pointless cruelty.
My point is that that we're only focusing on this because there is a picture, and I think the comparison holds up. In the past, a DV arrest wouldnt merit a year long suspension. Yes, everyone condemns domestic violence, but DV was a 0-4 games affair if there was no video. Indeed, Rice got two games, wasnt cut, wasnt ostracized etc. Then the video comes out, and everyone reacts badly to seeing the DV occur. The video is what "caused" the revulsion and launched the new dialogue and condemnation.
Same thing here with the giraffe. I assure you that if there was no picture that got disseminated by Gervais, this story wouldnt be "a thing". Most people wouldnt give a shit about an article that says some lady shot a giraffe. It is seeing her smiling next to the dead giraffe that is causing the revulsion and notoriety. I know this because there arent 50 threads a day about the 100s or 1000s of trophy killings that happen every day.
I wrote: "It is seeing her smiling next to the dead giraffe that is causing the revulsion and notoriety." Obviously some people would be disgusted just reading about it, and other people dont have any problem even seeing the picture. My comment was about more people having a bad reaction because of the picture.
Hunting for sport - this doesn't seem to qualify. When animals are penned down, are you really hunting for sport? If the animal was used for food, presuming they're short on food there, then it's not hunting for sport, it's hunting for food.
The pictures and the way the animal was hunted are what has people up in arms here, and that's because it follows a general trend of people traveling to impoverished places and playing Jungle Jim with their indigenous animals. Today it's a giraffe, tomorrow an elephant. And it's always the same story, someone with too much disposable money on their hands looking to score a thrill kill, and act as if somehow they have either saved someone's life or bested some dangerous animal, when it's typically a point-and-shoot type kill orchestrated by a guide.
To take the utilitarian view, at the end of the day the locals benefit either way, they have a source of income and a source of food.
I don't think you can really compare Fishing trophy photos Â
about being wrong, he resorts to name calling, it's so obvious throughout your posting history.
Try the WWF or EEC or other group not solely concerned with giraffes. They're not even listed as near threatened.
It seems like you read the headline, were outraged and decided to share this and the outrage.
Problem is no fact supports your outrage other than this woman is a mother of 5 and took a offensive picture.
No facts other than sources, articles, studies, etc.
OK. Night night.
You cited the IUCN:
Quote:
Conservation status
Giraffes as a whole are not endangered, and are listed as "least concern" by the IUCN's Red List of Threatened Species.
Night night meaning you dumbed yourself to sleep? Or your outrage just peaked and you had to take a nap?
you're embarrassing yourself.
All we need is a "this thread has a whole lot of stupid" or "this is an IQ test" comment and it's a complete thread.
You didn't even bother reading the rest of the content on their website. Oh that's right - I cut and pasted it above and you said I didn't cite a source. It clearly states numbers are significantly declining and three species of giraffe are already endangered. Plus moespree linked three articles.
wouldn't give a shit category please. I dont need a picture to feel the way I do, thank you very much
I get that a lot of people really dislike hunting. If I gave it more thought I'd probably come down that way too. But it's a big country, and there is a LOT of support for hunting.
[/quote]About three-quarters of Americans support hunting. One nationwide survey found that 77% of adult Americans ap
prove of legal hunting (45% strongly approve), while 16% disapprove (Figure 1) (RM 2006c). Another nationwide study found that 75% of adult Americans approve of legal hunting (48% strongly approve), while 17% disapprove (RM 2003b). In these surveys, the term, “legal hunting,” was used to ensure that respondents would not confuse the term, “hunting,” to include poaching and other types of illegal hunting, as focus group research has found that many people include these forms of illegal hunting in their conception of the term, “hunting” (RM 1993a). In a nationwide survey that asked a question specifically about the legality of hunting, 81% of adult Americans agree that hunting should
continue to be legal (RM 1995).[/quote]
much of a sport to take out an animal that has been in captivity, is sick and isn't even offering a challenge.
that's probably the worst thing about this.
It would be like going to your backyard to find a 18 year old, blind German shephard with shallow breathing and the first thing you think of is "Let me get my bow out".
it's just walking along all innocent picking at some food hanging the fuck out. And along comes some lunatic from Utah with her fucking bow and arrow and shoots it in the neck for no good reason. I hope she gets in a terrible, fiery, handicapping, jaws-of-life-type car accident and survives.
Same here. There was a thread on this bitch last year. I hope she rots.
I never understood it. Couldn't wrap my heard around the idea that you love animals...so you travel the world to kill them, cut their heads off, and hang them on your wall. Cuz you love them.
I grew up in a hunting community, I've hunted (as a kid, not in 20+ years), and I don't have a moral problem with hunting for food or for population control. But you lose me when you start talking trophy hunting, thrill killing, crap like that.
Side note: my house is next to a YMCA parking lot. I always see a truck tattooed with hunting stickers. The centerpiece is a massive buck skull with "Bone Collector" over it in stylized script. Every time I see it I fight the urge to leave a note on his windshield: "hiding In a blind or tree stand and waiting for a deer to smell your salt lick doesnt make you a warrior. In fact, until you chase down something dangerous and kill it with a bladed weapon stop calling yourself a hunter. Ass."
You live in Alaska and track a bull moose for 5 days and take him down for food for the winter is what a "hunt" is all about. You actually have to work for it. What did blonde do that quantifies tis as hunting?
but I was raised in a different environment than others so I sort of feel it is not totally the right thing to judge.
Agree. And I find the real irony is that the most vocal people are advocating for the torture and slow death of a fellow human being, a mother, for practically euthanizing a near-death wild animal at the request and benefit of the locals.
You live in Alaska and track a bull moose for 5 days and take him down for food for the winter is what a "hunt" is all about. You actually have to work for it. What did blonde do that quantifies tis as hunting?
What you describe is actual hunting. A lot of what's called hunting, especially some these high priced safari/"hunting" trips are simply ego indulgences that allow rich people the chance to kill rare animals, often in a penned in or otherwise human influenced environment. That's not hunting, it's the rich persons version of shooting fish in a barrel .
Do people really hunt solely for population control? Like, they dont really WANT to hunt, but they have to be a hero because the land is overburdened?
Im not very knowledgeable about this stuff, but it seems like pop control is more likely an excuse to hunt. As for food, I have spoken to a number of people who do that where my in-laws live (northern MN). They all like hunting so its not just a food issue for them. In fact I'd guess that they could buy beef cheaper than their outlay on gear, licenses, butchery etc to get deer/moose meat.
I dont have a position on hunting regardless of purpose. As a non-vegetarian I dont think I can really get on too high of a moral horse about killing animals. But I really struggle to believe that there are many people who are hunting who do not actively enjoy it.
for centuries needs the help of the Great White Hunter to get their food. I'm not saying that's not what happened, but I'm guessing they probably could've handled it on their own.
I thought I'd be infuriated and would find the hunter detestable, but when I read her actual comments, they actually kind of... make sense?
The lying-down-and-smiling bit is a bit much, but c'mon, hunters are just weird that way.
I agree with this. Looking at the picture first, I sort of felt bad for giraffe but after reading the story it seemed to make sense. That she is lying on the ground smiling beside it makes her look callous and barbarous but, feeding a starving village is something to smile about.
I'm not a hunter and would find it difficult to shoot an animal personally. I wouldn't be smiling in a picture like that, but hunters have a different mindset. They're used to it, and all the fun stuff that comes afterwards - like dressing the animal, which would make most of us puke.
Not my thing personally but, if the story is true I don't really take issue with it.
RE: I find it funny that a tribe that has been existing in Africa Â
for centuries needs the help of the Great White Hunter to get their food. I'm not saying that's not what happened, but I'm guessing they probably could've handled it on their own.
I was thinking this too, haha. That at least, didn't really compute.
village saved from starvation by a compassionate do-gooer. To think we might of lost a village of people who couldn't figure out how to fend for themselves
village saved from starvation by a compassionate do-gooer. To think we might of lost a village of people who couldn't figure out how to fend for themselves
I dunno how accurate the story is or isn't, but is it far-fetched? Africa is pretty synonymous with starvation isn't it?
RE: RE: I find it funny that a tribe that has been existing in Africa Â
for centuries needs the help of the Great White Hunter to get their food. I'm not saying that's not what happened, but I'm guessing they probably could've handled it on their own.
I was thinking this too, haha. That at least, didn't really compute.
Wouldn't be surprised if the tribe was going to slaughter it and she/one of her travel companions said "well shit, let us shoot it!". And if that were the case you could even argue that it's more humane on account that it will die a cleaner, quicker death from a gun than it would from a few dozen spears and arrows.
But that stupid picture changes everything and would make the noblest of motivations questionable. If she posted a pic of the tribe eating the giraffe and told her story do you think anyone would be up in arms? Maybe the most fringe f the anti-hunting movement, but not like this. Instead she takes a pic posing next to the neck, for scale, with a big stupid shit eating grin on her face. She brought this on herself, even if some of the condemnation is silly, and it could've ben avoided by simply handling it better.
for centuries needs the help of the Great White Hunter to get their food. I'm not saying that's not what happened, but I'm guessing they probably could've handled it on their own.
Why does that even matter?
No outrage if it was a shirtless black woman lying next to it and smiling? Makes sense.
but....why would anyone give a shit about only the picture? Â
The giraffe is dead whether she takes a silly picture of herself or not. What difference does it make? I just find that line of reasoning to be really bizarre.
sntacruzom - I agree. I don't hunt, and I find hunters to be odd from my point of view. To leap from odd or weird to "I hope she gets eaten by lions!!!" is just plain ridiculous.....but then I find a lot about the constant internet outrage mindset to be ridiculous.
there's something about selling it as doing something just "to be a part of something so good" and then taking a selfie lying down with it that just kinda rubs me the wrong way.
I have no problem with this. Old Bull that couldn't breed Â
and was cast out of the herd. The animal did not go to waste and got a quick death.
I am not sure how naive some people are but when animals die in the wild, it is generally not in a pleasant manor. Disease, starvation or being eaten alive are the most likely options.
If asked, like she says she was, I would have done the same thing. Who gives a shit about the picture, the giraffe sure doesn't.
RE: RE: I find it funny that a tribe that has been existing in Africa Â
for centuries needs the help of the Great White Hunter to get their food. I'm not saying that's not what happened, but I'm guessing they probably could've handled it on their own.
Why does that even matter?
No outrage if it was a shirtless black woman lying next to it and smiling? Makes sense.
for centuries needs the help of the Great White Hunter to get their food. I'm not saying that's not what happened, but I'm guessing they probably could've handled it on their own.
Why does that even matter?
No outrage if it was a shirtless black woman lying next to it and smiling? Makes sense.
Did the shirtless black woman also pay an exorbitant amount of money to indulge her ego and travel to Africa for the sole purpose of killing it's indigenous species and pass it off as a humanitarian mission? If so, yeah, she'd be dumb too.
RE: If the Giraffe was elderly and near death, he deserved a humane Â
departure. Killing by arrow or random shots is not humane.
If his meat needed to be preserved to feed other captive animals (held in such circumstances due to no other humane alternative), fine, but there are still more humane ways to kill than letting some schmucky yahoo play pretend Safari.
This giraffe spent his life in captivity entertaining humans. Show him a little fucking respect.
I am assuming that they charge a premium fee for the permit required to hunt it. So if the wildlife managers are faced with the choice of giving a old dying animal a shot to kill it or instead gaining a large fee that could be used to help better protect manage and ensure the survival of the local herd which is the better choice?
Also most avid hunters are skilled enough to where they most often will be able to place a kill shot which kills quickly or even instantly.
Lastly does anyone know if the animal were injected with poison in order to kill it that way instead of with a gun does that contaminate the meat in any way since the meat is intended to feed the local villagers? I don't think meat that may contain a carcinogenic should be feed to children simply to avoid an animal being shot instead of poisoned.
It is easy for us to sit back in this country and draw quick conclusions to something but in reality we likely don't know and can't fully appreciate all the facts and what effects they may have on the local animal herd, the local economy and the local villagers.
RE: RE: RE: I find it funny that a tribe that has been existing in Africa Â
for centuries needs the help of the Great White Hunter to get their food. I'm not saying that's not what happened, but I'm guessing they probably could've handled it on their own.
Why does that even matter?
No outrage if it was a shirtless black woman lying next to it and smiling? Makes sense.
Did the shirtless black woman also pay an exorbitant amount of money to indulge her ego and travel to Africa for the sole purpose of killing it's indigenous species and pass it off as a humanitarian mission? If so, yeah, she'd be dumb too.
I'm not arguing that this chick is dumb.
I just don't get the outrage. Especially in this particular kill. As long as it wasn't completely unecessary and it wasn't unecessarily humane I don't see why it matter who it is that killed the animal.
And yup, she's feeding her ego, agreed. I don't think that warrants wishing it was her laying there as the giraffe licked her face. Talk about weird kinks...
for centuries needs the help of the Great White Hunter to get their food. I'm not saying that's not what happened, but I'm guessing they probably could've handled it on their own.
Why does that even matter?
No outrage if it was a shirtless black woman lying next to it and smiling? Makes sense.
Did the shirtless black woman also pay an exorbitant amount of money to indulge her ego and travel to Africa for the sole purpose of killing it's indigenous species and pass it off as a humanitarian mission? If so, yeah, she'd be dumb too.
again with reading what you want out of piece. she never said she traveled to Africa to do humantarian good deeds. she traveled for a purpose and another opportunity arose while she was there.
We have deer hunters that go out specifically to make the world a better place and thin their numbers before they take us over. we should thank those guys that hate hunting but are doing so only out of the kindness of their own hearts.
for centuries needs the help of the Great White Hunter to get their food. I'm not saying that's not what happened, but I'm guessing they probably could've handled it on their own.
Yeah... imagine being in an African tribe and setting a trap for hours in the hot sun in preparation of catching a giraffe and just when it's finally about to catch one... BOOM... someone kills it right before it falls into the trap.
Do people really hunt solely for population control? Like, they dont really WANT to hunt, but they have to be a hero because the land is overburdened?
Im not very knowledgeable about this stuff, but it seems like pop control is more likely an excuse to hunt. As for food, I have spoken to a number of people who do that where my in-laws live (northern MN). They all like hunting so its not just a food issue for them. In fact I'd guess that they could buy beef cheaper than their outlay on gear, licenses, butchery etc to get deer/moose meat.
I dont have a position on hunting regardless of purpose. As a non-vegetarian I dont think I can really get on too high of a moral horse about killing animals. But I really struggle to believe that there are many people who are hunting who do not actively enjoy it.
Not a hunter, but I doubt the gear, licenses are that expensive and most of the gear is a one time purchase (except ammo). Butcher fees here in MN at least are pretty low (~$100 for a deer). So I'm guessing people that store and eat most of the deer meat save some money relative to purchasing beef (keep in mind cuts of the deer would be equivalent to ribeye, t-bone, etc). Granted I doubt most hunt purely to save money. It's more likely a combo of:
1. Enjoyment
2. Population control
3. Food
For what, about 50 pounds of meat? 75 for a big buck? So that's $2 a pound just for processing. Also, while any specific piece of gear is a one-time purchase, the fact of the matter is that hunting is really a hobby for most, and so they plow money into it every season. Guys may have half a dozen guns, all kinds of outfits, stand/hide equipment etc. Plus a freezer and electricity. Whether one time or recurring, you cant ignore those costs. I really doubt that many people are investing in hunting kit in Minnesota as the economical source of meat. You can buy cheaper cuts of beef for less than $5 on sale/bulk, and pork is very cheap.
you ask ANY hunter out there how much money he saves by doing so he'll laugh at you.
There are a few hardcore types who actually do subsist substantially on hunted meat. My f-i-l's cousin is one, but that guy's halfway to being Jeremiah Johnson. He hunts all the time and does all the processing himself. Very rare.
you ask ANY hunter out there how much money he saves by doing so he'll laugh at you.
There are a few hardcore types who actually do subsist substantially on hunted meat. My f-i-l's cousin is one, but that guy's halfway to being Jeremiah Johnson. He hunts all the time and does all the processing himself. Very rare.
Rare indeed. Most hunters (around here at least) don't even come close.
who has taken many hunts in Africa. The way it works on the nature reserves is that they sell licenses/permits. These licenses are extremely expensive and the money goes into the local conservation fund. The guides then arrange the hunt (which can last from 1-5 days depending on what you bought). The guide takes the hunter out, if they find nothing in the time allotted they are done and the money is gone. If they find an animal that is worth taking (and with conservation in mind this is usually an animal that is old or past their mating prime); they are permitted to kill that animal. The local guides are in control. The meat is given to local tribes and people. What probably happened on her hunt was that they were out hunting a different animal but came across this giraffe that was a perfect candidate for a hunt, they offered a license to her for a large sum of money and she decided to take the license and hunt the giraffe. This is a lucrative business for the reserves and funds huge conservation interests. For instance I believe the permit for an elephant and a lion are both about 75k, in both cases they take only old and solitary males. I do not condone and I am also not against this but want to make sure people are informed. AS for the pictures, this is the same as any hunter ever. Pictures have always been taken. For instance, how many pictures are taken with people catching bluefin tuna every year.... a much more endangered species than a giraffe. Remember that this was not a poacher.... big difference.
Nicely stated.
People can vilify her and ask why some random white hunter would be asked to kill the giraffe over a local person, but as slov72 stated, I'm sure she paid through the nose (which provides funding for the conservation efforts), which no local would have been able to provide. So basically they killed two birds with one stone (pun intended) with this hunt by providing funding for the conservation efforts and meat for the people.
People seems to need to get outraged about the weirdest things.
Do you guys remember when that one European zoo killed that giraffe that no one wanted to take? Then they fed it the meat to the lions and other animals? And they also provided a scientific exhibit of the animal to the patrons? But people were all pissed off because people kept accusing the zoo staff of killing the giraffe in front of little kids (which they didn't even do)? Good times!
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for centuries needs the help of the Great White Hunter to get their food. I'm not saying that's not what happened, but I'm guessing they probably could've handled it on their own.
I was thinking this too, haha. That at least, didn't really compute.
Because she probably paid upwards of tens of thousands of dollars to do so, which benefits the conservation fund? I don't know any tribe that can provide that kind of monetary funds to the conservation efforts.
Posing there smiling next to a dead giraffe you killed? Just fucking weird. And then passing it off as feeding a tribe is some BS. I'd rather she just owned it.
It's just a weird hobby to me. I get deer hunting and fishing but this kind of sport hunting is weird.
That said, the bozos on the internet are going way overboard making a big deal over this as usual. If blondie wants to pay a shitload to kill a giraffe, ok.
but tell me you wouldn't wear some sweet giraffe skin boots with matching vest? pfffft.
Seriously...hunting isn't for me. And I obviously have a different opinion of this entire incident.
But I think we are both in agreement that looking like a giraffe can be a new fashion style...just imagine girls no longer wearing Uggs but giraffe skin boots...with fur. F'ing hot!
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Posing there smiling next to a dead giraffe you killed? Just fucking weird. And then passing it off as feeding a tribe is some BS. I'd rather she just owned it.
It's just a weird hobby to me. I get deer hunting and fishing but this kind of sport hunting is weird.
That said, the bozos on the internet are going way overboard making a big deal over this as usual. If blondie wants to pay a shitload to kill a giraffe, ok.
Isn't a giraffe just a funny colored deer with a long neck that happens to live in Africa?
Posing there smiling next to a dead giraffe you killed? Just fucking weird. And then passing it off as feeding a tribe is some BS. I'd rather she just owned it.
It's just a weird hobby to me. I get deer hunting and fishing but this kind of sport hunting is weird.
That said, the bozos on the internet are going way overboard making a big deal over this as usual. If blondie wants to pay a shitload to kill a giraffe, ok.
Isn't a giraffe just a funny colored deer with a long neck that happens to live in Africa?
Hah, I guess. But, giraffes are not as plentiful as deer. There's a shitload of them in the Northeast and hunting helps keep the population in check. Fuckers are everywhere. Shitting in my yard, for example.
I'd bet there's probably a similar number of deer in CT alone as there are giraffes in all of Africa.
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But I think we are both in agreement that looking like a giraffe can be a new fashion style...just imagine girls no longer wearing Uggs but giraffe skin boots...with fur. F'ing hot!
She would be the perfect first model.....
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Hah, I guess. But, giraffes are not as plentiful as deer. There's a shitload of them in the Northeast and hunting helps keep the population in check. Fuckers are everywhere. Shitting in my yard, for example.
I'd bet there's probably a similar number of deer in CT alone as there are giraffes in all of Africa.
But I'm sure a single giraffe can shit more than an entire herd of deers...so at least you don't have one leaving you a nice huge pile of giraffe poop each morning.
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Posing there smiling next to a dead giraffe you killed? Just fucking weird. And then passing it off as feeding a tribe is some BS. I'd rather she just owned it.
It's just a weird hobby to me. I get deer hunting and fishing but this kind of sport hunting is weird.
That said, the bozos on the internet are going way overboard making a big deal over this as usual. If blondie wants to pay a shitload to kill a giraffe, ok.
Nobody just kills a giraffe and then takes a smiling picture by the carcass. NOBODY.
Would like to see him do a few things to these people.He can start off by throwing cigarette lighters at their pants.
But in all seriousness,there's a famous quote with a lot of truth to it.Goes something like you can tell a lot about a person by their treatment of animals.
a lot of Starving Africans must be sick of eating giraffe day in and day out because all those humanitarians killing all those aging close to death giraffes
Beerfridge seemed to be saying that the problematic part to him, the weird part, is the picture afterwards. My point is that when people kill a giraffe, they tend to take a happy picture afterwards. That's because it is trophy hunting. Even this case. I think trophy hunting is weird; given the existence of trophy hunting I dont find the celebratory photo all that weird -- it (like taxidermy) are part and parcel of the decision to kill for sport.
it's just walking along all innocent picking at some food hanging the fuck out. And along comes some lunatic from Utah with her fucking bow and arrow and shoots it in the neck for no good reason. I hope she gets in a terrible, fiery, handicapping, jaws-of-life-type car accident and survives.
You know B, you've attached me many times, so I'm hardly your "patsy."
I agree 100% with you on this, I could not have said this better myself.
This is cowardly murder but a cock sucking bitch who has the nerve to try and morally justify this under the guise of humanitarianism. It's brutual cruel murder and I hope she roots in hell.
Killing a giraffe certainly isn't appealing to me in the least but it isn't murder.
I suggest that everyone who is so outraged regularly donate money to the conservation of these types of animals and maybe one day they wouldn't allow the hunting of them as a result.
Killing a giraffe certainly isn't appealing to me in the least but it isn't murder.
I suggest that everyone who is so outraged regularly donate money to the conservation of these types of animals and maybe one day they wouldn't allow the hunting of them as a result.
I donate to Wildlife funds.
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Beerfridge seemed to be saying that the problematic part to him, the weird part, is the picture afterwards. My point is that when people kill a giraffe, they tend to take a happy picture afterwards. That's because it is trophy hunting. Even this case. I think trophy hunting is weird; given the existence of trophy hunting I dont find the celebratory photo all that weird -- it (like taxidermy) are part and parcel of the decision to kill for sport.
What is your point?
I'm not saying that she's a lone psycho that takes smiling pictures. I'm saying I find trophy hunting in general to be fucking weird and that the customary picture is also weird. Not in the sense that it doesn't happen. But in the sense that I think it's weird to think it's a cool idea. "Yay! Here's me next to the thing I killed" Also, taxidermy where they make the thing you killed look kind of alive so you can put it in your house is weird. Fucking weird.
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At least deer hunters are exercising population control.
She's a fucking pig with 8 kids. Hot dog down a hallway. Give a whale a tic tac.
“They asked me if I would preserve this giraffe by providing all the locals with food and other means of survival. He was inevitably going to die soon and he could either be wasted or utilized by the local people.[/img]
This doesn't sound like she just set-out to blast a Giraffe into the cosmos for giggles...
Love you and agree with you, B in Alb. That said, I often block folks on Facebook who post pix of animal cruelty when the only purpose of the post is to make people say, "Oh, isn't that awful and to call callous, selfish assholes "callous, selfish assholes."
Attach a petition or (even better) phone numbers to call governmental representatives about pending legislation to ban such pointless brutality, and I will be with you 100%!
If there is nothing I can do to stop it, I'd rather keep my breakfast headed in the direction I originally sent it in. Thanks!
Oh that's right - they want to take pictures with the corpse of an animal that has no way to defend itself.
But they ate him - so it's ok.
Fuck you.
If his meat needed to be preserved to feed other captive animals (held in such circumstances due to no other humane alternative), fine, but there are still more humane ways to kill than letting some schmucky yahoo play pretend Safari.
This giraffe spent his life in captivity entertaining humans. Show him a little fucking respect.
Oh that's right - they want to take pictures with the corpse of an animal that has no way to defend itself.
But they ate him - so it's ok.
Fuck you.
You're a very special kind of fella aren't you!? When you can't command the facts, at least you can make yourself feel good by putting the icing on civility.
So, from an ecological standpoint this is no different than shooting a deer. So we then go to the picture....and, again, I'm left shrugging my shoulders. Hunters take trophy pictures all the time. The animal is dead whether there is a picture of it or not, so I fail to see the cause for anguish.
I've never hunted anything in my life because I have no interest in shooting living things for sport, but neither do I have problem with people who do.
In particular, I dont understand Jon's comment that the picture is in bad taste. Bad taste to me is probably more killing for sport than taking a picture of it afterwards. I mean, how could taking a picture be bad taste in a world where taxidermy is a thing?
This just seems to me like a Ray Rice situation. The picture is what turns people off, not the act. NFLers were beating their women forever and there wasnt public outrage. Hunters are killing animals for sport and there isnt public outrage. But show us a picture of it and we shit our pants.
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Oh that's right - they want to take pictures with the corpse of an animal that has no way to defend itself.
But they ate him - so it's ok.
Fuck you.
You're a very special kind of fella aren't you!? When you can't command the facts, at least you can make yourself feel good by putting the icing on civility.
Three sub-species of giraffe (as pictured in the OP) in West Africa are endangered. It's a needless killing.
And the "FU" wasn't directed to anyone here at all.
That'll be okay too because she was just food for the lion and of course she'll inevitably die one day....
Pictures are worth a thousand words.
A picture -- like the video of the cop shooting Walter Scott in the back -- is undeniable evidence of an outrageous and unjustifiable act. It is in no way okay just because we can't see it.
NFL players beating on and killing their girlfriends and wives was always outrageous and many campaigned against it. The outrage didn't go viral and compel action until the undeniable, visual evidence came forward.
I didn't need to see the pic to know that this a disgusting activity, which I have taken action to oppose in the past. You're making me rethink my position on whether B in Alb needed to post that pic so others would finally take a stand against against such pointless cruelty.
There's plenty of that too Radar. Many people don't eat certain foods based on how they're processed. This has nothing to do with that.
If you want me to start a thread on that issue and take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for now, for your customer's sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about typing a quality post for me.
the giraffe's meat fed a village
and it was terminally ill, she probably put it out if its misery
but let's all get irate and sign petitions and call our local legislators.
people love to judge and get irate.
These "locals" didn't have the means to kill this animal? Really? They just lucked up by noticing a passing hunter? Again, really?
Also kind of object to the offered story of her heroically feeding a village. That screams bullshit.
the giraffe's meat fed a village
and it was terminally ill, she probably put it out if its misery
but let's all get irate and sign petitions and call our local legislators.
people love to judge and get irate.
Huh - look folks - pjcas wrong again - not even close, eh comrades?
"Current estimates by the GCF have the population at less than 80,000 individuals across all (sub)species. This is a considerable drop in the last decade and shows that the plight of giraffe is in real danger. Efforts are underway to build up an accurate census of the entire population – working closely with IUCN SSC ASG International Giraffe Working Group. With the exception of Angolan, Cape and West African giraffe, all other subspecies are either decreasing and/or unstable. Poaching, human population growth, habitat loss, habitat fragmentation and habitat degradation continue to impact on the giraffe’s distribution across the continent."
There is a governing authority that dictates animals endangered status, so maybe you can consult them before continuing your outrage.
Or don't just be outraged.
You're the best.
There is a governing authority that dictates animals endangered status, so maybe you can consult them before continuing your outrage.
Or don't just be outraged.
You're the best.
It's called the Giraffe Conservation Foundation working with the International Union for Conservation of Nature you idiot.
giraffeconservation.org
iucn.org
But no! PJCAS is here to save the day and discredit them!
There is a governing authority that dictates animals endangered status, so maybe you can consult them before continuing your outrage.
Or don't just be outraged.
You're the best.
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I have a few friends who hunt deer and use their meat to provide food for local homeless shelters. So while controlling the population and feeding people I'm totally behind that.
Ironically the outrage generated by the picture has probably increased her "profitability" far more than just the picture itself.
Try the WWF or EEC or other group not solely concerned with giraffes. They're not even listed as near threatened.
It seems like you read the headline, were outraged and decided to share this and the outrage.
Problem is no fact supports your outrage other than this woman is a mother of 5 and took a offensive picture.
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A least concern (LC) species is one which has been categorised by the International Union for Conservation of Nature as evaluated but not qualified for any other category. As such they do not qualify as threatened, near threatened, or (prior to 2001) conservation dependent.
So, from an ecological standpoint this is no different than shooting a deer. So we then go to the picture....and, again, I'm left shrugging my shoulders. Hunters take trophy pictures all the time. The animal is dead whether there is a picture of it or not, so I fail to see the cause for anguish.
I've never hunted anything in my life because I have no interest in shooting living things for sport, but neither do I have problem with people who do.
+1
I'll add this to the list of 1st world worries and outrage.
I'm absolutely an animal lover and find it extremely fascinating (and actually pretty much common sense) that recent research suggests that most mammals feel the same types of emotion and it isn't just us anthropomorphising them. Also, many more species than originally thought actually have a sense of self.
That said- many of them are food. Yeah, it sucks that we don't just tuck them into beds and put them to sleep so that we can eat them and wear their flesh, but it just is what it is.
I'm pretty sure that giraffe doesn't give a shit about what kind of pictures are taken of him after he dies.
Unnecessary cruelty towards animals is heartless and sociopathic, IMO. But this is not that.
Try the WWF or EEC or other group not solely concerned with giraffes. They're not even listed as near threatened.
It seems like you read the headline, were outraged and decided to share this and the outrage.
Problem is no fact supports your outrage other than this woman is a mother of 5 and took a offensive picture.
No facts other than sources, articles, studies, etc.
OK. Night night.
A picture -- like the video of the cop shooting Walter Scott in the back -- is undeniable evidence of an outrageous and unjustifiable act. It is in no way okay just because we can't see it.
NFL players beating on and killing their girlfriends and wives was always outrageous and many campaigned against it. The outrage didn't go viral and compel action until the undeniable, visual evidence came forward.
I didn't need to see the pic to know that this a disgusting activity, which I have taken action to oppose in the past. You're making me rethink my position on whether B in Alb needed to post that pic so others would finally take a stand against against such pointless cruelty.
My point is that that we're only focusing on this because there is a picture, and I think the comparison holds up. In the past, a DV arrest wouldnt merit a year long suspension. Yes, everyone condemns domestic violence, but DV was a 0-4 games affair if there was no video. Indeed, Rice got two games, wasnt cut, wasnt ostracized etc. Then the video comes out, and everyone reacts badly to seeing the DV occur. The video is what "caused" the revulsion and launched the new dialogue and condemnation.
Same thing here with the giraffe. I assure you that if there was no picture that got disseminated by Gervais, this story wouldnt be "a thing". Most people wouldnt give a shit about an article that says some lady shot a giraffe. It is seeing her smiling next to the dead giraffe that is causing the revulsion and notoriety. I know this because there arent 50 threads a day about the 100s or 1000s of trophy killings that happen every day.
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about being wrong, he resorts to name calling, it's so obvious throughout your posting history.
Try the WWF or EEC or other group not solely concerned with giraffes. They're not even listed as near threatened.
It seems like you read the headline, were outraged and decided to share this and the outrage.
Problem is no fact supports your outrage other than this woman is a mother of 5 and took a offensive picture.
No facts other than sources, articles, studies, etc.
OK. Night night.
You cited the IUCN:
Giraffes as a whole are not endangered, and are listed as "least concern" by the IUCN's Red List of Threatened Species.
Night night meaning you dumbed yourself to sleep? Or your outrage just peaked and you had to take a nap?
you're embarrassing yourself.
All we need is a "this thread has a whole lot of stupid" or "this is an IQ test" comment and it's a complete thread.
The pictures and the way the animal was hunted are what has people up in arms here, and that's because it follows a general trend of people traveling to impoverished places and playing Jungle Jim with their indigenous animals. Today it's a giraffe, tomorrow an elephant. And it's always the same story, someone with too much disposable money on their hands looking to score a thrill kill, and act as if somehow they have either saved someone's life or bested some dangerous animal, when it's typically a point-and-shoot type kill orchestrated by a guide.
To take the utilitarian view, at the end of the day the locals benefit either way, they have a source of income and a source of food.
Nobody cares about fish. They're looked at as mindless creatures nobody has a problem filleting.
But harpoon a bottlenose dolphin and take a shot smiling as it hangs by it's tail, and it's clearly wrong.
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about being wrong, he resorts to name calling, it's so obvious throughout your posting history.
Try the WWF or EEC or other group not solely concerned with giraffes. They're not even listed as near threatened.
It seems like you read the headline, were outraged and decided to share this and the outrage.
Problem is no fact supports your outrage other than this woman is a mother of 5 and took a offensive picture.
No facts other than sources, articles, studies, etc.
OK. Night night.
You cited the IUCN:
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Giraffes as a whole are not endangered, and are listed as "least concern" by the IUCN's Red List of Threatened Species.
Night night meaning you dumbed yourself to sleep? Or your outrage just peaked and you had to take a nap?
you're embarrassing yourself.
All we need is a "this thread has a whole lot of stupid" or "this is an IQ test" comment and it's a complete thread.
You didn't even bother reading the rest of the content on their website. Oh that's right - I cut and pasted it above and you said I didn't cite a source. It clearly states numbers are significantly declining and three species of giraffe are already endangered. Plus moespree linked three articles.
Done with you.
I get that a lot of people really dislike hunting. If I gave it more thought I'd probably come down that way too. But it's a big country, and there is a LOT of support for hunting.
[/quote]About three-quarters of Americans support hunting. One nationwide survey found that 77% of adult Americans ap
prove of legal hunting (45% strongly approve), while 16% disapprove (Figure 1) (RM 2006c). Another nationwide study found that 75% of adult Americans approve of legal hunting (48% strongly approve), while 17% disapprove (RM 2003b). In these surveys, the term, “legal hunting,” was used to ensure that respondents would not confuse the term, “hunting,” to include poaching and other types of illegal hunting, as focus group research has found that many people include these forms of illegal hunting in their conception of the term, “hunting” (RM 1993a). In a nationwide survey that asked a question specifically about the legality of hunting, 81% of adult Americans agree that hunting should
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that's probably the worst thing about this.
It would be like going to your backyard to find a 18 year old, blind German shephard with shallow breathing and the first thing you think of is "Let me get my bow out".
What difference does it make if the locals killed it themselves, or allowed someone else to do it?
I don't respect the desire for a canned hunt, but I think people are looking for a reason to be upset here (presuming the article is correct)
Same here. There was a thread on this bitch last year. I hope she rots.
I know what she is doing is technically legal, but its still sick.
I grew up in a hunting community, I've hunted (as a kid, not in 20+ years), and I don't have a moral problem with hunting for food or for population control. But you lose me when you start talking trophy hunting, thrill killing, crap like that.
Side note: my house is next to a YMCA parking lot. I always see a truck tattooed with hunting stickers. The centerpiece is a massive buck skull with "Bone Collector" over it in stylized script. Every time I see it I fight the urge to leave a note on his windshield: "hiding In a blind or tree stand and waiting for a deer to smell your salt lick doesnt make you a warrior. In fact, until you chase down something dangerous and kill it with a bladed weapon stop calling yourself a hunter. Ass."
Agree. And I find the real irony is that the most vocal people are advocating for the torture and slow death of a fellow human being, a mother, for practically euthanizing a near-death wild animal at the request and benefit of the locals.
What you describe is actual hunting. A lot of what's called hunting, especially some these high priced safari/"hunting" trips are simply ego indulgences that allow rich people the chance to kill rare animals, often in a penned in or otherwise human influenced environment. That's not hunting, it's the rich persons version of shooting fish in a barrel .
Im not very knowledgeable about this stuff, but it seems like pop control is more likely an excuse to hunt. As for food, I have spoken to a number of people who do that where my in-laws live (northern MN). They all like hunting so its not just a food issue for them. In fact I'd guess that they could buy beef cheaper than their outlay on gear, licenses, butchery etc to get deer/moose meat.
I dont have a position on hunting regardless of purpose. As a non-vegetarian I dont think I can really get on too high of a moral horse about killing animals. But I really struggle to believe that there are many people who are hunting who do not actively enjoy it.
The lying-down-and-smiling bit is a bit much, but c'mon, hunters are just weird that way.
The lying-down-and-smiling bit is a bit much, but c'mon, hunters are just weird that way.
I agree with this. Looking at the picture first, I sort of felt bad for giraffe but after reading the story it seemed to make sense. That she is lying on the ground smiling beside it makes her look callous and barbarous but, feeding a starving village is something to smile about.
I'm not a hunter and would find it difficult to shoot an animal personally. I wouldn't be smiling in a picture like that, but hunters have a different mindset. They're used to it, and all the fun stuff that comes afterwards - like dressing the animal, which would make most of us puke.
Not my thing personally but, if the story is true I don't really take issue with it.
I was thinking this too, haha. That at least, didn't really compute.
I dunno how accurate the story is or isn't, but is it far-fetched? Africa is pretty synonymous with starvation isn't it?
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I was thinking this too, haha. That at least, didn't really compute.
Wouldn't be surprised if the tribe was going to slaughter it and she/one of her travel companions said "well shit, let us shoot it!". And if that were the case you could even argue that it's more humane on account that it will die a cleaner, quicker death from a gun than it would from a few dozen spears and arrows.
But that stupid picture changes everything and would make the noblest of motivations questionable. If she posted a pic of the tribe eating the giraffe and told her story do you think anyone would be up in arms? Maybe the most fringe f the anti-hunting movement, but not like this. Instead she takes a pic posing next to the neck, for scale, with a big stupid shit eating grin on her face. She brought this on herself, even if some of the condemnation is silly, and it could've ben avoided by simply handling it better.
Just sayin'
Agreed
Why does that even matter?
No outrage if it was a shirtless black woman lying next to it and smiling? Makes sense.
sntacruzom - I agree. I don't hunt, and I find hunters to be odd from my point of view. To leap from odd or weird to "I hope she gets eaten by lions!!!" is just plain ridiculous.....but then I find a lot about the constant internet outrage mindset to be ridiculous.
Absolutely.
I am not sure how naive some people are but when animals die in the wild, it is generally not in a pleasant manor. Disease, starvation or being eaten alive are the most likely options.
If asked, like she says she was, I would have done the same thing. Who gives a shit about the picture, the giraffe sure doesn't.
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Why does that even matter?
No outrage if it was a shirtless black woman lying next to it and smiling? Makes sense.
It depends on her rack.
—Pythagoras
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Why does that even matter?
No outrage if it was a shirtless black woman lying next to it and smiling? Makes sense.
Did the shirtless black woman also pay an exorbitant amount of money to indulge her ego and travel to Africa for the sole purpose of killing it's indigenous species and pass it off as a humanitarian mission? If so, yeah, she'd be dumb too.
If his meat needed to be preserved to feed other captive animals (held in such circumstances due to no other humane alternative), fine, but there are still more humane ways to kill than letting some schmucky yahoo play pretend Safari.
This giraffe spent his life in captivity entertaining humans. Show him a little fucking respect.
I am assuming that they charge a premium fee for the permit required to hunt it. So if the wildlife managers are faced with the choice of giving a old dying animal a shot to kill it or instead gaining a large fee that could be used to help better protect manage and ensure the survival of the local herd which is the better choice?
Also most avid hunters are skilled enough to where they most often will be able to place a kill shot which kills quickly or even instantly.
Lastly does anyone know if the animal were injected with poison in order to kill it that way instead of with a gun does that contaminate the meat in any way since the meat is intended to feed the local villagers? I don't think meat that may contain a carcinogenic should be feed to children simply to avoid an animal being shot instead of poisoned.
It is easy for us to sit back in this country and draw quick conclusions to something but in reality we likely don't know and can't fully appreciate all the facts and what effects they may have on the local animal herd, the local economy and the local villagers.
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for centuries needs the help of the Great White Hunter to get their food. I'm not saying that's not what happened, but I'm guessing they probably could've handled it on their own.
Why does that even matter?
No outrage if it was a shirtless black woman lying next to it and smiling? Makes sense.
Did the shirtless black woman also pay an exorbitant amount of money to indulge her ego and travel to Africa for the sole purpose of killing it's indigenous species and pass it off as a humanitarian mission? If so, yeah, she'd be dumb too.
I'm not arguing that this chick is dumb.
I just don't get the outrage. Especially in this particular kill. As long as it wasn't completely unecessary and it wasn't unecessarily humane I don't see why it matter who it is that killed the animal.
And yup, she's feeding her ego, agreed. I don't think that warrants wishing it was her laying there as the giraffe licked her face. Talk about weird kinks...
says the man who proposed to his future wife while she was tied up naked bent over a chair
says the man who proposed to his future wife while she was tied up naked bent over a chair
You understood the joke!
Yay!
See, that one doesn't bother me. At all.
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for centuries needs the help of the Great White Hunter to get their food. I'm not saying that's not what happened, but I'm guessing they probably could've handled it on their own.
Why does that even matter?
No outrage if it was a shirtless black woman lying next to it and smiling? Makes sense.
Did the shirtless black woman also pay an exorbitant amount of money to indulge her ego and travel to Africa for the sole purpose of killing it's indigenous species and pass it off as a humanitarian mission? If so, yeah, she'd be dumb too.
again with reading what you want out of piece. she never said she traveled to Africa to do humantarian good deeds. she traveled for a purpose and another opportunity arose while she was there.
We have deer hunters that go out specifically to make the world a better place and thin their numbers before they take us over. we should thank those guys that hate hunting but are doing so only out of the kindness of their own hearts.
Yeah... imagine being in an African tribe and setting a trap for hours in the hot sun in preparation of catching a giraffe and just when it's finally about to catch one... BOOM... someone kills it right before it falls into the trap.
Total letdown.
Brett, first koalas, now giraffes? Seek help.
Im not very knowledgeable about this stuff, but it seems like pop control is more likely an excuse to hunt. As for food, I have spoken to a number of people who do that where my in-laws live (northern MN). They all like hunting so its not just a food issue for them. In fact I'd guess that they could buy beef cheaper than their outlay on gear, licenses, butchery etc to get deer/moose meat.
I dont have a position on hunting regardless of purpose. As a non-vegetarian I dont think I can really get on too high of a moral horse about killing animals. But I really struggle to believe that there are many people who are hunting who do not actively enjoy it.
Not a hunter, but I doubt the gear, licenses are that expensive and most of the gear is a one time purchase (except ammo). Butcher fees here in MN at least are pretty low (~$100 for a deer). So I'm guessing people that store and eat most of the deer meat save some money relative to purchasing beef (keep in mind cuts of the deer would be equivalent to ribeye, t-bone, etc). Granted I doubt most hunt purely to save money. It's more likely a combo of:
1. Enjoyment
2. Population control
3. Food
We're racist.
They're fuckin adorable Greg! And they taste delicious!
There are a few hardcore types who actually do subsist substantially on hunted meat. My f-i-l's cousin is one, but that guy's halfway to being Jeremiah Johnson. He hunts all the time and does all the processing himself. Very rare.
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you ask ANY hunter out there how much money he saves by doing so he'll laugh at you.
There are a few hardcore types who actually do subsist substantially on hunted meat. My f-i-l's cousin is one, but that guy's halfway to being Jeremiah Johnson. He hunts all the time and does all the processing himself. Very rare.
Rare indeed. Most hunters (around here at least) don't even come close.
Nicely stated.
People can vilify her and ask why some random white hunter would be asked to kill the giraffe over a local person, but as slov72 stated, I'm sure she paid through the nose (which provides funding for the conservation efforts), which no local would have been able to provide. So basically they killed two birds with one stone (pun intended) with this hunt by providing funding for the conservation efforts and meat for the people.
People seems to need to get outraged about the weirdest things.
Do you guys remember when that one European zoo killed that giraffe that no one wanted to take? Then they fed it the meat to the lions and other animals? And they also provided a scientific exhibit of the animal to the patrons? But people were all pissed off because people kept accusing the zoo staff of killing the giraffe in front of little kids (which they didn't even do)? Good times!
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for centuries needs the help of the Great White Hunter to get their food. I'm not saying that's not what happened, but I'm guessing they probably could've handled it on their own.
I was thinking this too, haha. That at least, didn't really compute.
Because she probably paid upwards of tens of thousands of dollars to do so, which benefits the conservation fund? I don't know any tribe that can provide that kind of monetary funds to the conservation efforts.
It's just a weird hobby to me. I get deer hunting and fishing but this kind of sport hunting is weird.
That said, the bozos on the internet are going way overboard making a big deal over this as usual. If blondie wants to pay a shitload to kill a giraffe, ok.
Now that is a legitimately a valid question. If I paid thousands to kill a beautiful animal, I would want some souvenir...amirite?
Question is...did they make an awesome throne from the giraffe's neckbones?...now that would be freaking sweet!
thanks for a little levity...nicely done
Seriously...hunting isn't for me. And I obviously have a different opinion of this entire incident.
But I think we are both in agreement that looking like a giraffe can be a new fashion style...just imagine girls no longer wearing Uggs but giraffe skin boots...with fur. F'ing hot!
It's just a weird hobby to me. I get deer hunting and fishing but this kind of sport hunting is weird.
That said, the bozos on the internet are going way overboard making a big deal over this as usual. If blondie wants to pay a shitload to kill a giraffe, ok.
Isn't a giraffe just a funny colored deer with a long neck that happens to live in Africa?
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Posing there smiling next to a dead giraffe you killed? Just fucking weird. And then passing it off as feeding a tribe is some BS. I'd rather she just owned it.
It's just a weird hobby to me. I get deer hunting and fishing but this kind of sport hunting is weird.
That said, the bozos on the internet are going way overboard making a big deal over this as usual. If blondie wants to pay a shitload to kill a giraffe, ok.
Isn't a giraffe just a funny colored deer with a long neck that happens to live in Africa?
Hah, I guess. But, giraffes are not as plentiful as deer. There's a shitload of them in the Northeast and hunting helps keep the population in check. Fuckers are everywhere. Shitting in my yard, for example.
I'd bet there's probably a similar number of deer in CT alone as there are giraffes in all of Africa.
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But I think we are both in agreement that looking like a giraffe can be a new fashion style...just imagine girls no longer wearing Uggs but giraffe skin boots...with fur. F'ing hot!
She would be the perfect first model.....
I'd bet there's probably a similar number of deer in CT alone as there are giraffes in all of Africa.
But I'm sure a single giraffe can shit more than an entire herd of deers...so at least you don't have one leaving you a nice huge pile of giraffe poop each morning.
Fuckers are everywhere. Shitting in my yard, for example.
I'd bet there's probably a similar number of deer in CT alone as there are giraffes in all of Africa.
My dog loves those delicious treats!
It's just a weird hobby to me. I get deer hunting and fishing but this kind of sport hunting is weird.
That said, the bozos on the internet are going way overboard making a big deal over this as usual. If blondie wants to pay a shitload to kill a giraffe, ok.
Nobody just kills a giraffe and then takes a smiling picture by the carcass. NOBODY.
But in all seriousness,there's a famous quote with a lot of truth to it.Goes something like you can tell a lot about a person by their treatment of animals.
Beerfridge seemed to be saying that the problematic part to him, the weird part, is the picture afterwards. My point is that when people kill a giraffe, they tend to take a happy picture afterwards. That's because it is trophy hunting. Even this case. I think trophy hunting is weird; given the existence of trophy hunting I dont find the celebratory photo all that weird -- it (like taxidermy) are part and parcel of the decision to kill for sport.
What is your point?
No, they made head cheese.
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Hate those Giraffes! They are always looking down at me.
thanks for a little levity...nicely done
There's LOTS of levity on this thread.
You know B, you've attached me many times, so I'm hardly your "patsy."
I agree 100% with you on this, I could not have said this better myself.
This is cowardly murder but a cock sucking bitch who has the nerve to try and morally justify this under the guise of humanitarianism. It's brutual cruel murder and I hope she roots in hell.
I suggest that everyone who is so outraged regularly donate money to the conservation of these types of animals and maybe one day they wouldn't allow the hunting of them as a result.
I suggest that everyone who is so outraged regularly donate money to the conservation of these types of animals and maybe one day they wouldn't allow the hunting of them as a result.
So the big takeaway from this entire thread is...fucking white people. They sure do like killing giraffes.
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Nobody just kills a giraffe and then takes a smiling picture by the carcass. NOBODY.
So the big takeaway from this entire thread is...fucking white people. They sure do like killing giraffes.
The preferred nomenclature is "population control". Us white people sure do like population controlling giraffes.
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so what's your point?
Beerfridge seemed to be saying that the problematic part to him, the weird part, is the picture afterwards. My point is that when people kill a giraffe, they tend to take a happy picture afterwards. That's because it is trophy hunting. Even this case. I think trophy hunting is weird; given the existence of trophy hunting I dont find the celebratory photo all that weird -- it (like taxidermy) are part and parcel of the decision to kill for sport.
What is your point?
I'm not saying that she's a lone psycho that takes smiling pictures. I'm saying I find trophy hunting in general to be fucking weird and that the customary picture is also weird. Not in the sense that it doesn't happen. But in the sense that I think it's weird to think it's a cool idea. "Yay! Here's me next to the thing I killed" Also, taxidermy where they make the thing you killed look kind of alive so you can put it in your house is weird. Fucking weird.
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Nobody just kills a giraffe and then takes a smiling picture by the carcass. NOBODY.
So the big takeaway from this entire thread The is...fucking white people. They sure do like killing giraffes.
The preferred nomenclature is "population control". Us white people sure do like population controlling giraffes.
Then again . . . .
Then again . . . .
bad taxidermy - ( New Window )
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Nobody just kills a giraffe and then takes a smiling picture by the carcass. NOBODY.
So the big takeaway from this entire thread is...fucking white people. They sure do like killing giraffes.
and yet its okay for you to put hot and sour sauce on ol' puss and boots.
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Nobody just kills a giraffe and then takes a smiling picture by the carcass. NOBODY.
So the big takeaway from this entire thread is...fucking white people. They sure do like killing giraffes.
and yet its okay for you to put hot and sour sauce on ol' puss and boots.
Hey...you fucks eat that shit up, so why change it? Once again, fucking white people.
I didn't want to interrupt his racial stereotyping...I'm pretty generous like that.
We had a dog named Porky. Now we call him sweet and sour Porky.
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Hate those Giraffes! They are always looking down at me.
thanks for a little levity...nicely done
There's LOTS of levity on this thread.
NOW there is, but not before Scyber's post
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In comment 12235839 Scyber said:
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Hate those Giraffes! They are always looking down at me.
thanks for a little levity...nicely done
There's LOTS of levity on this thread.
NOW there is, but not before Scyber's post
I think it started off with the second or third post in the thread.