Kinda question the nobility of a practice where you're shooting an animal from dozens of yards away without a chance of it defending itself and then mocking it's corpse.
At least deer hunters are exercising population control.
it's just walking along all innocent picking at some food hanging the fuck out. And along comes some lunatic from Utah with her fucking bow and arrow and shoots it in the neck for no good reason. I hope she gets in a terrible, fiery, handicapping, jaws-of-life-type car accident and survives.
[quote]He was past his breeding years and very close to death.
“They asked me if I would preserve this giraffe by providing all the locals with food and other means of survival. He was inevitably going to die soon and he could either be wasted or utilized by the local people.[/img]
This doesn't sound like she just set-out to blast a Giraffe into the cosmos for giggles...
These are the people who give hunters a bad name Â
and I have no respect for the asshole who pays to do this crap, but I agree with Jon, I really do not need to see that pic. It just saddens the hell out of me and makes me feel queasy.
Love you and agree with you, B in Alb. That said, I often block folks on Facebook who post pix of animal cruelty when the only purpose of the post is to make people say, "Oh, isn't that awful and to call callous, selfish assholes "callous, selfish assholes."
Attach a petition or (even better) phone numbers to call governmental representatives about pending legislation to ban such pointless brutality, and I will be with you 100%!
If there is nothing I can do to stop it, I'd rather keep my breakfast headed in the direction I originally sent it in. Thanks!
but even under the most charitable interpretation of her conduct she sought to find a giraffe to kill and found one whose death apparently (according to her) made sense.
I always think it's karma when I read about a hunter shooting and killing another hunter who mistakes the other hunter for an animal. Maybe this will happen to her.
I think the editorial commentary from B in Alb cherry picked the inconvenient facts from the story. Well... facts should never stand in the way of a good story.
If the Giraffe was elderly and near death, he deserved a humane Â
departure. Killing by arrow or random shots is not humane.
If his meat needed to be preserved to feed other captive animals (held in such circumstances due to no other humane alternative), fine, but there are still more humane ways to kill than letting some schmucky yahoo play pretend Safari.
This giraffe spent his life in captivity entertaining humans. Show him a little fucking respect.
RE: why anyone huntsendangered and declining species is beyond my comprehension.
Oh that's right - they want to take pictures with the corpse of an animal that has no way to defend itself.
But they ate him - so it's ok.
Fuck you.
You're a very special kind of fella aren't you!? When you can't command the facts, at least you can make yourself feel good by putting the icing on civility.
different if it was some ugly ass, dangerous wart hog, hyena, or something else...but it's an endangered, peaceful, lumbering, vegetation eating, beautiful giraffe. I just don't get it. How do you justify shooting something like that?
A least concern (LC) species is one which has been categorised by the International Union for Conservation of Nature as evaluated but not qualified for any other category. As such they do not qualify as threatened, near threatened, or (prior to 2001) conservation dependent.
So, from an ecological standpoint this is no different than shooting a deer. So we then go to the picture....and, again, I'm left shrugging my shoulders. Hunters take trophy pictures all the time. The animal is dead whether there is a picture of it or not, so I fail to see the cause for anguish.
I've never hunted anything in my life because I have no interest in shooting living things for sport, but neither do I have problem with people who do.
Look, people hunt for sport. Other people think that is cruel and evil. Hunting isnt an issue that moves my emotions, but Im pretty sure I come down against trophy hunting. But it happens. And this is not trophy hunting if you believe her story.
In particular, I dont understand Jon's comment that the picture is in bad taste. Bad taste to me is probably more killing for sport than taking a picture of it afterwards. I mean, how could taking a picture be bad taste in a world where taxidermy is a thing?
This just seems to me like a Ray Rice situation. The picture is what turns people off, not the act. NFLers were beating their women forever and there wasnt public outrage. Hunters are killing animals for sport and there isnt public outrage. But show us a picture of it and we shit our pants.
acts of individual cruelty against animals and the complete silence about institutionalized cruelty against animals perpetrated by most of us through our consumption of inhumanely raised animals.
RE: why anyone huntsendangered and declining species is beyond my comprehension.
Oh that's right - they want to take pictures with the corpse of an animal that has no way to defend itself.
But they ate him - so it's ok.
Fuck you.
You're a very special kind of fella aren't you!? When you can't command the facts, at least you can make yourself feel good by putting the icing on civility.
Three sub-species of giraffe (as pictured in the OP) in West Africa are endangered. It's a needless killing.
And the "FU" wasn't directed to anyone here at all.
Unsurprising though. I suppose it's okay though, because it was food and it was going to die anyway. Hopefully she tries sneaking up on another defenseless animal one day and a lion sneaks up on her and rips her limb from limb.
That'll be okay too because she was just food for the lion and of course she'll inevitably die one day....
RE: I'm always amazed at the outrage about random Â
acts of individual cruelty against animals and the complete silence about institutionalized cruelty against animals perpetrated by most of us through our consumption of inhumanely raised animals.
A picture -- like the video of the cop shooting Walter Scott in the back -- is undeniable evidence of an outrageous and unjustifiable act. It is in no way okay just because we can't see it.
NFL players beating on and killing their girlfriends and wives was always outrageous and many campaigned against it. The outrage didn't go viral and compel action until the undeniable, visual evidence came forward.
I didn't need to see the pic to know that this a disgusting activity, which I have taken action to oppose in the past. You're making me rethink my position on whether B in Alb needed to post that pic so others would finally take a stand against against such pointless cruelty.
RE: I'm always amazed at the outrage about random Â
acts of individual cruelty against animals and the complete silence about institutionalized cruelty against animals perpetrated by most of us through our consumption of inhumanely raised animals.
There's plenty of that too Radar. Many people don't eat certain foods based on how they're processed. This has nothing to do with that.
If you want me to start a thread on that issue and take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for now, for your customer's sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about typing a quality post for me.
that this idiot is undoubtedly profiting from these pictures by driving activity to her website, her television show and any mechanism that helps her turn a profit. Any publicity is good publicity, right?
so now griaffes = not close to even endangered
the giraffe's meat fed a village
and it was terminally ill, she probably put it out if its misery
but let's all get irate and sign petitions and call our local legislators.
people love to judge and get irate.
Huh - look folks - pjcas wrong again - not even close, eh comrades?
"Current estimates by the GCF have the population at less than 80,000 individuals across all (sub)species. This is a considerable drop in the last decade and shows that the plight of giraffe is in real danger. Efforts are underway to build up an accurate census of the entire population – working closely with IUCN SSC ASG International Giraffe Working Group. With the exception of Angolan, Cape and West African giraffe, all other subspecies are either decreasing and/or unstable. Poaching, human population growth, habitat loss, habitat fragmentation and habitat degradation continue to impact on the giraffe’s distribution across the continent."
especially for sport, (which seems not to apply here). Other than that, I don't see what the big deal is about this, though I can see being turned off by the picture, which as already noted, is worth a 1,000 words. This woman brags an awful lot about her sport hunting, I get it, there's a lot to dislike about her, but this seems much less worthy of outrage than much of what she does.
clearly a sport hunter - traveling all over to kill bears, giraffes, whatever. Then she has the gall to sound magnanimous. Disgusting.
I have a few friends who hunt deer and use their meat to provide food for local homeless shelters. So while controlling the population and feeding people I'm totally behind that.
who has taken many hunts in Africa. The way it works on the nature reserves is that they sell licenses/permits. These licenses are extremely expensive and the money goes into the local conservation fund. The guides then arrange the hunt (which can last from 1-5 days depending on what you bought). The guide takes the hunter out, if they find nothing in the time allotted they are done and the money is gone. If they find an animal that is worth taking (and with conservation in mind this is usually an animal that is old or past their mating prime); they are permitted to kill that animal. The local guides are in control. The meat is given to local tribes and people. What probably happened on her hunt was that they were out hunting a different animal but came across this giraffe that was a perfect candidate for a hunt, they offered a license to her for a large sum of money and she decided to take the license and hunt the giraffe. This is a lucrative business for the reserves and funds huge conservation interests. For instance I believe the permit for an elephant and a lion are both about 75k, in both cases they take only old and solitary males. I do not condone and I am also not against this but want to make sure people are informed. AS for the pictures, this is the same as any hunter ever. Pictures have always been taken. For instance, how many pictures are taken with people catching bluefin tuna every year.... a much more endangered species than a giraffe. Remember that this was not a poacher.... big difference.
that this idiot is undoubtedly profiting from these pictures by driving activity to her website, her television show and any mechanism that helps her turn a profit. Any publicity is good publicity, right?
Ironically the outrage generated by the picture has probably increased her "profitability" far more than just the picture itself.
let me get this straight, She was given the okay because the village would be fed from an animal that was old and dying? Okay, but the village didn't have the ability to do this? They need blondie to do their job? Okay, the I think she should be permitted to go to zoos all over the world and shoot all the old and dying animals that can be used for food. The reason for my outrage is I never thought of giraffes as a game animal. I mean a Lion or Hyena takes one down, that is the circle of life, but the lord high executioner from Utah getting her jollies? No fucking way
A least concern (LC) species is one which has been categorised by the International Union for Conservation of Nature as evaluated but not qualified for any other category. As such they do not qualify as threatened, near threatened, or (prior to 2001) conservation dependent.
So, from an ecological standpoint this is no different than shooting a deer. So we then go to the picture....and, again, I'm left shrugging my shoulders. Hunters take trophy pictures all the time. The animal is dead whether there is a picture of it or not, so I fail to see the cause for anguish.
I've never hunted anything in my life because I have no interest in shooting living things for sport, but neither do I have problem with people who do.
+1
I'll add this to the list of 1st world worries and outrage.
I'm absolutely an animal lover and find it extremely fascinating (and actually pretty much common sense) that recent research suggests that most mammals feel the same types of emotion and it isn't just us anthropomorphising them. Also, many more species than originally thought actually have a sense of self.
That said- many of them are food. Yeah, it sucks that we don't just tuck them into beds and put them to sleep so that we can eat them and wear their flesh, but it just is what it is.
I'm pretty sure that giraffe doesn't give a shit about what kind of pictures are taken of him after he dies.
Unnecessary cruelty towards animals is heartless and sociopathic, IMO. But this is not that.
At least deer hunters are exercising population control.
She's a fucking pig with 8 kids. Hot dog down a hallway. Give a whale a tic tac.
“They asked me if I would preserve this giraffe by providing all the locals with food and other means of survival. He was inevitably going to die soon and he could either be wasted or utilized by the local people.[/img]
This doesn't sound like she just set-out to blast a Giraffe into the cosmos for giggles...
Love you and agree with you, B in Alb. That said, I often block folks on Facebook who post pix of animal cruelty when the only purpose of the post is to make people say, "Oh, isn't that awful and to call callous, selfish assholes "callous, selfish assholes."
Attach a petition or (even better) phone numbers to call governmental representatives about pending legislation to ban such pointless brutality, and I will be with you 100%!
If there is nothing I can do to stop it, I'd rather keep my breakfast headed in the direction I originally sent it in. Thanks!
Oh that's right - they want to take pictures with the corpse of an animal that has no way to defend itself.
But they ate him - so it's ok.
Fuck you.
If his meat needed to be preserved to feed other captive animals (held in such circumstances due to no other humane alternative), fine, but there are still more humane ways to kill than letting some schmucky yahoo play pretend Safari.
This giraffe spent his life in captivity entertaining humans. Show him a little fucking respect.
Oh that's right - they want to take pictures with the corpse of an animal that has no way to defend itself.
But they ate him - so it's ok.
Fuck you.
You're a very special kind of fella aren't you!? When you can't command the facts, at least you can make yourself feel good by putting the icing on civility.
So, from an ecological standpoint this is no different than shooting a deer. So we then go to the picture....and, again, I'm left shrugging my shoulders. Hunters take trophy pictures all the time. The animal is dead whether there is a picture of it or not, so I fail to see the cause for anguish.
I've never hunted anything in my life because I have no interest in shooting living things for sport, but neither do I have problem with people who do.
In particular, I dont understand Jon's comment that the picture is in bad taste. Bad taste to me is probably more killing for sport than taking a picture of it afterwards. I mean, how could taking a picture be bad taste in a world where taxidermy is a thing?
This just seems to me like a Ray Rice situation. The picture is what turns people off, not the act. NFLers were beating their women forever and there wasnt public outrage. Hunters are killing animals for sport and there isnt public outrage. But show us a picture of it and we shit our pants.
Quote:
RE: why anyone huntsendangered and declining species is beyond my comprehension.
Oh that's right - they want to take pictures with the corpse of an animal that has no way to defend itself.
But they ate him - so it's ok.
Fuck you.
You're a very special kind of fella aren't you!? When you can't command the facts, at least you can make yourself feel good by putting the icing on civility.
Three sub-species of giraffe (as pictured in the OP) in West Africa are endangered. It's a needless killing.
And the "FU" wasn't directed to anyone here at all.
That'll be okay too because she was just food for the lion and of course she'll inevitably die one day....
Pictures are worth a thousand words.
A picture -- like the video of the cop shooting Walter Scott in the back -- is undeniable evidence of an outrageous and unjustifiable act. It is in no way okay just because we can't see it.
NFL players beating on and killing their girlfriends and wives was always outrageous and many campaigned against it. The outrage didn't go viral and compel action until the undeniable, visual evidence came forward.
I didn't need to see the pic to know that this a disgusting activity, which I have taken action to oppose in the past. You're making me rethink my position on whether B in Alb needed to post that pic so others would finally take a stand against against such pointless cruelty.
There's plenty of that too Radar. Many people don't eat certain foods based on how they're processed. This has nothing to do with that.
If you want me to start a thread on that issue and take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for now, for your customer's sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about typing a quality post for me.
the giraffe's meat fed a village
and it was terminally ill, she probably put it out if its misery
but let's all get irate and sign petitions and call our local legislators.
people love to judge and get irate.
These "locals" didn't have the means to kill this animal? Really? They just lucked up by noticing a passing hunter? Again, really?
Also kind of object to the offered story of her heroically feeding a village. That screams bullshit.
the giraffe's meat fed a village
and it was terminally ill, she probably put it out if its misery
but let's all get irate and sign petitions and call our local legislators.
people love to judge and get irate.
Huh - look folks - pjcas wrong again - not even close, eh comrades?
"Current estimates by the GCF have the population at less than 80,000 individuals across all (sub)species. This is a considerable drop in the last decade and shows that the plight of giraffe is in real danger. Efforts are underway to build up an accurate census of the entire population – working closely with IUCN SSC ASG International Giraffe Working Group. With the exception of Angolan, Cape and West African giraffe, all other subspecies are either decreasing and/or unstable. Poaching, human population growth, habitat loss, habitat fragmentation and habitat degradation continue to impact on the giraffe’s distribution across the continent."
There is a governing authority that dictates animals endangered status, so maybe you can consult them before continuing your outrage.
Or don't just be outraged.
You're the best.
There is a governing authority that dictates animals endangered status, so maybe you can consult them before continuing your outrage.
Or don't just be outraged.
You're the best.
It's called the Giraffe Conservation Foundation working with the International Union for Conservation of Nature you idiot.
giraffeconservation.org
iucn.org
But no! PJCAS is here to save the day and discredit them!
There is a governing authority that dictates animals endangered status, so maybe you can consult them before continuing your outrage.
Or don't just be outraged.
You're the best.
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I have a few friends who hunt deer and use their meat to provide food for local homeless shelters. So while controlling the population and feeding people I'm totally behind that.
Ironically the outrage generated by the picture has probably increased her "profitability" far more than just the picture itself.
Try the WWF or EEC or other group not solely concerned with giraffes. They're not even listed as near threatened.
It seems like you read the headline, were outraged and decided to share this and the outrage.
Problem is no fact supports your outrage other than this woman is a mother of 5 and took a offensive picture.
Quote:
A least concern (LC) species is one which has been categorised by the International Union for Conservation of Nature as evaluated but not qualified for any other category. As such they do not qualify as threatened, near threatened, or (prior to 2001) conservation dependent.
So, from an ecological standpoint this is no different than shooting a deer. So we then go to the picture....and, again, I'm left shrugging my shoulders. Hunters take trophy pictures all the time. The animal is dead whether there is a picture of it or not, so I fail to see the cause for anguish.
I've never hunted anything in my life because I have no interest in shooting living things for sport, but neither do I have problem with people who do.
+1
I'll add this to the list of 1st world worries and outrage.
I'm absolutely an animal lover and find it extremely fascinating (and actually pretty much common sense) that recent research suggests that most mammals feel the same types of emotion and it isn't just us anthropomorphising them. Also, many more species than originally thought actually have a sense of self.
That said- many of them are food. Yeah, it sucks that we don't just tuck them into beds and put them to sleep so that we can eat them and wear their flesh, but it just is what it is.
I'm pretty sure that giraffe doesn't give a shit about what kind of pictures are taken of him after he dies.
Unnecessary cruelty towards animals is heartless and sociopathic, IMO. But this is not that.
Try the WWF or EEC or other group not solely concerned with giraffes. They're not even listed as near threatened.
It seems like you read the headline, were outraged and decided to share this and the outrage.
Problem is no fact supports your outrage other than this woman is a mother of 5 and took a offensive picture.
No facts other than sources, articles, studies, etc.
OK. Night night.