Batman is a going to be moody Iron Man (smart rich guy with amazing robotic suit) during this franchise.
My worst fear. I guess I knew it was coming because how else are you going to make Batman look competent next to actual super-powered beings. I really hope they limit the Bat-Ironman suit in this Franchise.
I thought the Superman portion of that trailer was pretty good though, there's a lot with his story that can be done.
That aside, the movie looks forced to me. I don't know what it is, but DC just doesn't seem to be able to do the "suspend belief" superhero genre as well as Marvel does.
not sure how some of you are pulling such opinions from that teaser, it barely showed anything. And im sure batman wont be in that iron suit the whole time. Wasnt that scene rumored to be very early in the movie?
That said i dont see why DC is so determined to be so dark and "real". Nolan wanted it to be real and i guess with Batman it can kind of work, but now that you are going to have superman, aquaman, WW, flash, etc.. just throw real out the window.
I just spend $150 on the Arkham Knight Batmobile toy / model... and This is awful. Seems like DC is grasping at straws
They're trying to copycat what Marvel is doing. They saw that Avengers was a hit and have been hurriedly cobbling together movie plans ever since, even throwing Nolan money to keep his name involved despite his desire to move on to other things.
I just spend $150 on the Arkham Knight Batmobile toy / model... and This is awful. Seems like DC is grasping at straws
They're trying to copycat what Marvel is doing. They saw that Avengers was a hit and have been hurriedly cobbling together movie plans ever since, even throwing Nolan money to keep his name involved despite his desire to move on to other things.
I just don't know why you would want to have your franchises two top stars go against one another..
as for Batmans voice... i mean the only reason why i think everyone is criticizing it is because its Ben Affleck doing it. And it seems like he is trying hard. I mean can anyone get the voice right. The guy tries to disguise his voice. He cant just talk like Bruce Wayne. Thats just me but whatever. Looks good
they will only go against each other for like half the...
DC really needs to come up with a hit cause the public perception of them is horrible right now. No matter what Marvel comes out with people say it will be great and i feel like no matter what DC comes out with people say it stinks. For instance i thought the ant man trailer was very underwhelming, but then i kept reading how everyone thought it was awesome. Then you have this trailer that basically shows nothing and people hate it.
Will I need to know anything about Star Wars to enjoy this new movie?
but the voice is always dicey. People mocked Bale's Batman voice through all 3 movies. It does sound a bit robotic to me, id like to think maybe its just cause he is in the iron suit, but i doubt it.
RE: Will I need to know anything about Star Wars to enjoy this new movie?
DC really needs to come up with a hit cause the public perception of them is horrible right now. No matter what Marvel comes out with people say it will be great and i feel like no matter what DC comes out with people say it stinks. For instance i thought the ant man trailer was very underwhelming, but then i kept reading how everyone thought it was awesome. Then you have this trailer that basically shows nothing and people hate it.
I'm kind of with you in that I thought Ant-Man is a weak idea, but I also thought nobody would be interested in Guardians of the Galaxy and that was a huge success. Somehow they've made even their little-known characters translate really well to successful movies.
I really like their movies. I get what your saying about GOTG but when the first trailer hit you knew that movie was going to be good and i didnt feel that way about the ant man trailer.
Marvel is doing. The problem with DC is that they laid ground work with Batman but then said nope, that ground work is done. They go the route of starting Superman over from the beginning but then adding in an existing Batman that nobody has ever seen yet. Add in the flaw that the existing Batman (new) is coming off the heels of one of a 3 movie run of the character with a different actor and an entirely different take on the world and those in it.
So now a Batman vs Superman movie is thrown out there with the intentions of bringing in Wonder Woman, Cyborg, Aquaman etc.. Throw in the bad guys of Doomsday and Lex Luthor and this movie is potentially a cluster of epic proportions.
Marvel started a franchise by introducing characters in their own settings with hints that others exist and with a connecting factor of Shield (mainly Samuel L Jackson but also Clark Gregg). There is no connecting factor here. The hope seems to be that people love Superhero movies and will just flock to see the main characters they have known and loved in other mediums, here in one big burst onto the screen.
The idea is a good one- if played out with a second Superman movie where Batman is slowly introduced in the background, on news reports, in the paper etc. But, to just throw these two together and hope that a great comic book story line will play out here even without the set up is really risking a lot.
DC's game plan reminds me of a flawed football coaches game plan. You look at what another team has done successfully and say we must do that as well. Then, without getting the players that fit that plan and without slowly transitioning to that new plan (new style), just throw it out there and expect the same results as the other team had achieved.
Marvel played their plan out very well and were willing to take modest successes to build a brand to the point that Avengers Age of Ultron will most likely SHATTER box office records.
DC could see their plan be the Titanic. Epic in nature and size and a disaster that ends their plans before they even really start moving.
I am not basing my opinion on that trailer. It is my opinion based on what I have seen them doing for this movie and the announcements of other movies including the Justice League movie later down the road.
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but i think its more about making good movies at this point then the plan. No reason to completely copy Marvel. So they have decided to go backwards and basically start with avengers and build from there. Is it a riskier plan, sure, but if they make good movies they will be fine. I meanWhy do we need to be introduced slowly to batman. Its batman, anyone who has even a tiny interest in seeing this movie knows who he is. They know his parents were killed, they know he is rich, etc.. Basically they are taking there two most popular characters and putting them in a movie together that will also introduce a bunch of other characters. The other characters are all rumored to have very small roles, which better be the case otherwise you are right and it will become a cluster.
As for GMEN, go watch all of the Star Wars films. You have 8 months and the originals are great (didn't care for RoTJ). Eipsodes 1-3 aren't good, but some of the story lines are as well as the action.
That said, if you just watch only this you should be fine. The world Abrams is creating is awesome.
That aside, the movie looks forced to me. I don't know what it is, but DC just doesn't seem to be able to do the "suspend belief" superhero genre as well as Marvel does.
Again, it just looks forced.
Agree, one of the many reasons why people are so up in arms about Snyder helping this project, is that you go from one director(Nolan), who has an excellent story and uses doesn't go crazy with the special affects, to Snyder, who's movies(and this trailer), looks to be all about special affects.
RE: Will I need to know anything about Star Wars to enjoy this new movie?
Batman is a going to be moody Iron Man (smart rich guy with amazing robotic suit) during this franchise.
My worst fear. I guess I knew it was coming because how else are you going to make Batman look competent next to actual super-powered beings. I really hope they limit the Bat-Ironman suit in this Franchise.
I thought the Superman portion of that trailer was pretty good though, there's a lot with his story that can be done.
If you read The Dark Knight Returns and if you read that Snyder was basing a lot of this movie on that storyline you would've known this was the angle they were going for in this movie.
has been confirmed. Atom, Caity Lotz (original black canary), Professor Stein (older part of firestorm), Captain cold are all confirmed along with Arthur Darvill (Rory for Dr. Who Fans). It also sounds like the roster will change a lot from episode to episode although Atom, Stein, and Lotz seem like the core of the show.
everyone read The Dark Knight Returns or even better... watch the animated films on Netflix. It's a two part film and a huge part of the Batman-Superman storyline in this movie will be from that. To me, it's one of the best comic series ever written and I am praying to God that Snyder gets it right.
I really liked this trailer and it only gave you a sample of Batman. Remember... this is still a Man of Steel sequel.
has been confirmed. Atom, Caity Lotz (original black canary), Professor Stein (older part of firestorm), Captain cold are all confirmed along with Arthur Darvill (Rory for Dr. Who Fans). It also sounds like the roster will change a lot from episode to episode although Atom, Stein, and Lotz seem like the core of the show.
My question is an Arrow spoiler for people who haven't seen the show so I have put it in white
I am still wondering how they're going to pull of Lotz being in the show. Have they mentioned that?
everyone read The Dark Knight Returns or even better... watch the animated films on Netflix. It's a two part film and a huge part of the Batman-Superman storyline in this movie will be from that. To me, it's one of the best comic series ever written and I am praying to God that Snyder gets it right.
I really liked this trailer and it only gave you a sample of Batman. Remember... this is still a Man of Steel sequel.
I did read it (many years ago), and I really liked it.Snyder may have borrowed a general theme, but I don't see a film adaption of it in that trailer.
everyone read The Dark Knight Returns or even better... watch the animated films on Netflix. It's a two part film and a huge part of the Batman-Superman storyline in this movie will be from that. To me, it's one of the best comic series ever written and I am praying to God that Snyder gets it right.
I really liked this trailer and it only gave you a sample of Batman. Remember... this is still a Man of Steel sequel.
I did read it (many years ago), and I really liked it.Snyder may have borrowed a general theme, but I don't see a film adaption of it in that trailer.
The two biggest rumors is that she could just be a completely different character, which personally i think would be pretty dumb. The other is she will come back as the white canary. Im guessing they would use the lazarus pit for this. I mean it is the comic book world, nobody really dies.
Those are interesting theories. I can't imagine they'll make her another character, but with how the Arrow season is going to end with Thea being resurrected the resurrection of Canary seems more plausible.
I liked it a lot. As alluded to earlier in this thread, Dark Knight Returns plays heavily in this movie. When the movie was announced, they literally read a quote from the book. It's one of the best Batman stories ever. And this trailer has DKR written all over it. I am glad.
a middle-aged Bruce Wayne comes out of retirement, hooks up with a new Robin, takes on gangs in a dystopian Gotham, and ends up fighting (after the Joker) a Superman who's a pawn of the U.S. government.
You'll have to explain to me how you see the same story being told in that trailer, which strongly implies that Superman has become a controversial figure whose power and prestige has gone to his head. And isnt Lex Luthor in this movie?
doing animated movies, that's where the strength of their characters lie. They have talented, iconic voices for their characters, just make big screen animated movies for awhile until they can get their live-action house in order.
Superman is clearly being questioned for his activities in the trailer. Just like TDKR. Now Batman is the common man's answer to defeating the establishment. Did you even read the book! Because that was one of the main themes in it. And Batman bringing order to a world in chaos( ala Gotham thriving during a nuclear winter) makes sense. The one thing I was skeptical about was if this would be a true Man of Steel sequel. It looks like it with Batman as a part time foil. I like that idea and we haven't seen Lex Luther yet. So yeah, I'm excited to see this flick.
It's setting the tone for the movie. After what happened in MOS this needed to happen, the people's view on Superman after the events in Metropolis. You can definitely see the TDKR resemblance, except that it's Batman going after Superman and not the other way around. I get that some think that they're rushing this but they've been wanting to make this film for years even with Nolans Batman, from what I know and read they are introducing Affleck's Batman the right way, everyone knows Batman's origin already so there's no need to spend another hour or so on it, they'll be using flashbacks to tell his backstory. Lex Luthor's line was great, "Devils don't come from hell beneath us", already showing his hate for Superman but Alfred's voiceover was the best part of the trailer IMO.
Oh, and not everyone will love the bat-voice because nobody can top Conroy's voice!
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I don't think HD will help, bud. I believe in trusting Nolan. Snyder? Not so much.
My worst fear. I guess I knew it was coming because how else are you going to make Batman look competent next to actual super-powered beings. I really hope they limit the Bat-Ironman suit in this Franchise.
I thought the Superman portion of that trailer was pretty good though, there's a lot with his story that can be done.
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I don't think HD will help, bud. I believe in trusting Nolan. Snyder? Not so much.
Chris, you know it's just homerism at it's finest lol.. wish they showed a little more bat-fleck
I'll wait for it to be free on TV and even then I probably won't watch it.
Disappointing
I hope this movie is good. I am a little wary.
Again, it just looks forced.
That said i dont see why DC is so determined to be so dark and "real". Nolan wanted it to be real and i guess with Batman it can kind of work, but now that you are going to have superman, aquaman, WW, flash, etc.. just throw real out the window.
They're trying to copycat what Marvel is doing. They saw that Avengers was a hit and have been hurriedly cobbling together movie plans ever since, even throwing Nolan money to keep his name involved despite his desire to move on to other things.
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I just spend $150 on the Arkham Knight Batmobile toy / model... and This is awful. Seems like DC is grasping at straws
They're trying to copycat what Marvel is doing. They saw that Avengers was a hit and have been hurriedly cobbling together movie plans ever since, even throwing Nolan money to keep his name involved despite his desire to move on to other things.
I just don't know why you would want to have your franchises two top stars go against one another..
But I am sure my Son will drag me to see this..
DC really needs to come up with a hit cause the public perception of them is horrible right now. No matter what Marvel comes out with people say it will be great and i feel like no matter what DC comes out with people say it stinks. For instance i thought the ant man trailer was very underwhelming, but then i kept reading how everyone thought it was awesome. Then you have this trailer that basically shows nothing and people hate it.
WHAT!?
DC really needs to come up with a hit cause the public perception of them is horrible right now. No matter what Marvel comes out with people say it will be great and i feel like no matter what DC comes out with people say it stinks. For instance i thought the ant man trailer was very underwhelming, but then i kept reading how everyone thought it was awesome. Then you have this trailer that basically shows nothing and people hate it.
I'm kind of with you in that I thought Ant-Man is a weak idea, but I also thought nobody would be interested in Guardians of the Galaxy and that was a huge success. Somehow they've made even their little-known characters translate really well to successful movies.
So now a Batman vs Superman movie is thrown out there with the intentions of bringing in Wonder Woman, Cyborg, Aquaman etc.. Throw in the bad guys of Doomsday and Lex Luthor and this movie is potentially a cluster of epic proportions.
Marvel started a franchise by introducing characters in their own settings with hints that others exist and with a connecting factor of Shield (mainly Samuel L Jackson but also Clark Gregg). There is no connecting factor here. The hope seems to be that people love Superhero movies and will just flock to see the main characters they have known and loved in other mediums, here in one big burst onto the screen.
The idea is a good one- if played out with a second Superman movie where Batman is slowly introduced in the background, on news reports, in the paper etc. But, to just throw these two together and hope that a great comic book story line will play out here even without the set up is really risking a lot.
DC's game plan reminds me of a flawed football coaches game plan. You look at what another team has done successfully and say we must do that as well. Then, without getting the players that fit that plan and without slowly transitioning to that new plan (new style), just throw it out there and expect the same results as the other team had achieved.
Marvel played their plan out very well and were willing to take modest successes to build a brand to the point that Avengers Age of Ultron will most likely SHATTER box office records.
DC could see their plan be the Titanic. Epic in nature and size and a disaster that ends their plans before they even really start moving.
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I literally have never watched any of the Star Wars movies.
WHAT!?
Curtis, I'm dead serious, lol
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I literally have never watched any of the Star Wars movies.
WHAT!?
Curtis, I'm dead serious, lol
how is that even possible?
As for GMEN, go watch all of the Star Wars films. You have 8 months and the originals are great (didn't care for RoTJ). Eipsodes 1-3 aren't good, but some of the story lines are as well as the action.
That said, if you just watch only this you should be fine. The world Abrams is creating is awesome.
Again, it just looks forced.
Agree, one of the many reasons why people are so up in arms about Snyder helping this project, is that you go from one director(Nolan), who has an excellent story and uses doesn't go crazy with the special affects, to Snyder, who's movies(and this trailer), looks to be all about special affects.
What the fuck? Are you a Russian sleeper agent?
Haha, same here.
My worst fear. I guess I knew it was coming because how else are you going to make Batman look competent next to actual super-powered beings. I really hope they limit the Bat-Ironman suit in this Franchise.
I thought the Superman portion of that trailer was pretty good though, there's a lot with his story that can be done.
If you read The Dark Knight Returns and if you read that Snyder was basing a lot of this movie on that storyline you would've known this was the angle they were going for in this movie.
Same director, and Affleck playing the Dark Knight?
Haha, not a chance I'll watch.
I really liked this trailer and it only gave you a sample of Batman. Remember... this is still a Man of Steel sequel.
My question is an Arrow spoiler for people who haven't seen the show so I have put it in white
I am still wondering how they're going to pull of Lotz being in the show. Have they mentioned that?
I really liked this trailer and it only gave you a sample of Batman. Remember... this is still a Man of Steel sequel.
I did read it (many years ago), and I really liked it.Snyder may have borrowed a general theme, but I don't see a film adaption of it in that trailer.
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everyone read The Dark Knight Returns or even better... watch the animated films on Netflix. It's a two part film and a huge part of the Batman-Superman storyline in this movie will be from that. To me, it's one of the best comic series ever written and I am praying to God that Snyder gets it right.
I really liked this trailer and it only gave you a sample of Batman. Remember... this is still a Man of Steel sequel.
I did read it (many years ago), and I really liked it.Snyder may have borrowed a general theme, but I don't see a film adaption of it in that trailer.
Um... the Batman suit? LOL
The two biggest rumors is that she could just be a completely different character, which personally i think would be pretty dumb. The other is she will come back as the white canary. Im guessing they would use the lazarus pit for this. I mean it is the comic book world, nobody really dies.
Those are interesting theories. I can't imagine they'll make her another character, but with how the Arrow season is going to end with Thea being resurrected the resurrection of Canary seems more plausible.
I do find it funny that Superman is now Atom. Brandon Routh.
You'll have to explain to me how you see the same story being told in that trailer, which strongly implies that Superman has become a controversial figure whose power and prestige has gone to his head. And isnt Lex Luthor in this movie?
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Plus the rumors surrounding an Atom spinoff, possibly including Firestorm and some other characters.
I do find it funny that Superman is now Atom. Brandon Routh.
You're not the only one. The writers of the last Flash episode had some fun with it, too.
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Plus the rumors surrounding an Atom spinoff, possibly including Firestorm and some other characters.
I do find it funny that Superman is now Atom. Brandon Routh.
And you weren't entertained by The Human Torch becoming Captain America?
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Plus the rumors surrounding an Atom spinoff, possibly including Firestorm and some other characters.
I do find it funny that Superman is now Atom. Brandon Routh.
And you weren't entertained by The Human Torch becoming Captain America?
Not as silly as Evans has done a ton of other stuff. Also I e tried to forget those horrific Fantatistic 4 movies were made.
it is this bleak depressing world ...
snyder's movies all have this look..
marvel meanwhile is colorful and bright
if you want good DC
want Justice League Unlimited animated cartoon series
Oh, and not everyone will love the bat-voice because nobody can top Conroy's voice!